Hundreds of thousands of food stamp recipients will lose at least $90 a month in benefits, after an amendment to the farm bill failed badly in the Senate.
The Senate overwhelmingly rejected a bid to preserve some $4.5 billion in food stamps funding, as part of the massive farm bill, on Tuesday.
The amendment to keep that spending in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, offered by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), failed 33 to 66. Sixty votes were needed to pass.
Gillibrand had hoped to prevent food aid cuts in the $969 billion bill by trimming the guaranteed profit for crop insurance companies from 14 to 12 percent and by lowering payments for crop insurers from $1.3 billion to $825 million.
Under a “heat-and-eat” initiative, states qualify any family who receives low-income heating assistance (under the program known as LIHEAP) for food stamps. The farm bill would end that program, which would affect roughly 500,000 recipients, with an average of $90 a month in benefit reductions. But Gillibrand could only muster 29 Democrats and 4 Republicans for the amendment to restore the funding. Senate Agriculture Committee Chair Debbie Stabenow joined 22 Democrats in opposition.
As Stabenow frames it, states are going around giving $1 checks for home heating assistance to low-income families, simply to raise food stamp benefits. It’s a pretty elaborate scan she’s asserting, and if the end result is that families who need help are getting a bit more – $90 a month – I don’t really understand the moral objection, rather than the self-imposed need to hit a budget target.
The bigger problem is that the safety net is fraying, and with the demise of welfare, food stamps has become one of the few channels to deliver benefits to incredibly needy populations. Food stamps also happen to have a large multiplier, since all of the money gets cycled into the economy. And it happens to have an infinitesimally low error rate, so playing up implied fraud is not only damaging, it’s wrong.
Sadly, these cuts become the baseline for the food stamp program, which will be lucky to get away with only a $4.5 billion reduction. The House has proposed $33 billion in cuts over a ten-year window in its version of the farm bill, and outside of that, proposed $134 billion in additional cuts in its budget resolution. So the food stamp program will get whacked, the question is whether it will get whacked a little or a lot.




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Little Debbie is a tool–I won’t be voting for her this go around.
I don’t think it will stop with just the programs. I expect a tsunami of truly vicious propaganda aimed at anyone who ever made use of the safety net.
The GOP will serve up the frothing hatred aimed at the least powerful and most needy in (what’s left of) our society… but it’s the Dems who are carefully setting the stage on the GOP’s behalf.
I’d like to see Debbie’s proof of this (granting $1 checks to beneficiaries, in order to qualify them for SNAP). Aint’t buyin’ it. All you read about are the draconian cuts to SNAP, Medicaid, etc., in ALL the states. I imagine that the true impetus is that LIHEAP is not an asset-tested program–that’s most likely her real objection. Imagine, a multi-millionaire obsessing over whether she wants a very low income eighty year old, with an income of 150% of the FPL (Federal Poverty Rate) to receive SNAP benefits, unless that person loses everything they have, in order to meet the couple thousand dollar asset test. And we pay these people for this?
This is the same logic, I suppose, that had her boast on Newsmakers (C-Span), that because “2″ people who were lottery winners (in the entire history of the state of Michigan) received SNAP benefits for a while before being caught, she took it upon herself to write it into law to deny this category of people from being eligible for SNAP.
This is an old “right wing” trick–chip away at social benefits, little by little. Next, it will be, say “all union members” as a category, or some other ridiculous restriction. (BTW, this restriction all ready applies, in a limited fashion to UE benefits, in at least one state.)
Blue
The Moment of Truth (PDF)
http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/sites/fiscalcommission.gov/files/documents/TheMomentofTruth12_1_2010.pdf
Debbie Does…Dirty Deeds. Havent’ voted for her since her shitty vote on bankruptcy reform. My 83 yo mom just lost her EBT card. Thanks fuckers.
Idiots are too mean and stupid to realize they just cut billions of dollars out of the income of grocery stores, food suppliers, farmers etc, leading to more job losses and business failures and an ever-more shrinking economy. All to protect their rich Big Ag and Big Insurance friends, I suppose — the “job creators.”
A bipartisan effort to kick the poor one more time. The fourteen states all appeared to me to be states that actually provide home heating assistance and included the state of Michigan.
Senators Bill Nelson and Marco Rubio both voted to kick the poor. With votes like that I wonder how Nelson will explain that he is any different from the Republicans as he battles the MacGillicudy heir for the Senate seat this fall.
The good news is Al Gore predicts longer hotter summers and shorter colder winters. Poor people are such a bother to the people who quote Ayn Rand books. (She died poor receiving SS and without any friends). May all these Senators have a similar fate.
So there are 23 Democrats in the Senate that do not support the basic values of the Democratic Party. Who are they and how do we kick them out of the party for betraying their own voters? They can go join the inhumane and anti-Christian Republican Party.
I have a family of five, our total income last year was less then $30K. This puts us way below the Federal Poverty level. Due to GOP cuts last year (with the help of those fake democrats) our LIHEAP was cut in half! We had about 3 weeks of heat paid for by LIHEAP in a region where we need 7 months of heating fuel. Our food stamps are already not enough for a month of food, and now the Fake Democrats have cut another $90 out of our ability to eat every month.
Democrats that vote with Republicans against the poor ARE Republicans!
Special Book Salon up with Chris Hayes’ Twilight Of The Elites: America After Meritocracy hosted by David Dayen
It isn’t Democrats vs. Republicans anymore, it is clearly and unabashedly the rich vs. poor and the rich are winning right now.
A $4.5B cut to the $768B food stamp program.
This mean only 99.4% of the safety net is left intact.
Luckily the safety net for agribusiness and bankers is not just intact it is growing ever larger.
“A $4.5B cut to the $768B food stamp program.”
That’s $90 a month cut from my ability to purchase food, the price of which is increasing every day.
Your glib comment ignores the reality that American People are starving because the rich don’t feel they should have to support society.
Nelson has already assured himself of non-support from the voters of Miramar,FL with his and Wasserman-Schultz supporting the construction of a private detention center to benefit their corporate masters.
Are you serious with this comment? The rich don’t support society? Amazing given half the country doesn’t pay any federal income tax.
I tried to make that point in my reply to a post of his on another subject. It didn’t work then and he’ll probably disregard your comment as well. He seems stuck on partisanship and the belief that the “Democrats” are the good guys. Waste of time.
Could this be true? You got me thinking so I looked it up.
Commodities Programs went from $35,985,600,000.00 in the 2008 Farm Bill to $43,200,000,000.00 in this one, an increase of 20%.
Food stamps went from $195,064,800,000.00 to $768,200,000,000.00, an increase of almost 400%.
Banking doesn’t seem to be directly impacted by the Farm Bill.
Hey, there the nation does have to figure out how to make up for the (at least) four trillion dollars worth of giveaways to the Biggest Financial Firms, confirmed by the audit of the Federal Reserve.
And Bernie Sanders is all steamed up about it, but no one else in power seems to care.
What better way to ensure that the richest of the rich continue to get wondrous Christmas holiday bonus checks than tackling the food stamp program?? But then, those people contribute a lot more to the politicians than the person on Food Stamps.
They do however contribute by paying the “payroll tax”. It’s not their fault that they make too little to qualify to pay federal income tax. Nice right wing talking point. Keep trying to justify the rampant inequality in this country. It’s possible you’re on the wrong blog.
ohh Payroll tax…….Do they pay their parking tickets too?
Its offensive to see people actually write that the rich don’t care about society when the rich are in fact carrying the water for all of these social programs.
Frankly, if you aren’t paying income taxes you should lose your ability to vote. Voting to increase your own benefit while not paying into the system is the same as stealing.
Then can we please decide not to allow the Congresscritters to vote their own payraises?
And, by the way, it was a long time ago where we eliminated the voting restriction on landowners.
Eejit….
Who said anything about owning land?
And yes, Congress should not be able to vote their own pay raises. Should be tied to inflation.
Seems kind of sick to worry about the rich so much. I’d have a hard time justifying it.
I don’t have any problem with poorer people not paying federal income tax. Let the people that make more money pay for the workings of the govrenment. No problem. But the payroll tax arguement falls flat.
Payroll taxes include:
Social Security
According to the Social Security Administration, the original intent of this tax was to provide economic stability for elderly Americans and retirees. The employed people of our nation pay into this fund and in turn receive benefits for their own retirement. Disability insurance is also included in this program, as it has evolved over the years to meet the changing needs of our society.
Medicare
The Medicare tax is also designed to benefit elderly people and retirees. The primary benefit of Medicare is health insurance coverage and is provided for retirees as well as those who are disabled and eligible for Social Security.
People who pay Payroll taxes do not pay for:
Military spending for the Department of Defense (DoD), veteran expenses, Department of Homeland Security, etc.
Non-defense discretionary spending used to fund the executive departments (e.g., the Department of Education, State, Treasury, Justice, Interior, Agriculture, Commerce, Labor, Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Transportation, Energy, Education, and independent agencies (e.g., CFTC, FEC, FCC, FMC, FTC, NLRB, NTSB, NRC, SEC, USITC, FERC, SSA, and many others).
Interest expense.
Or any other expense of the Federal Government.
We seem to be part of some kind of “master plan”. First they deliberately destroyed our primary wealth when they raised the interest rates in 06. That was when the word “subprime” popped up. A blind man could have seen that it was the time to lower interest rates, but they raised them causing the bottom to fall out of the housing market, making our most valuable asset worth a lot less.
Next they robbed us blind by manipulating the prices of food and gasoline in 07 and 08, and they did it again in 2011, and 12. Reduced wealth, combined with the highest food and gas prices ever in the history of this country; has reduced our standard of living dramatically.
When you add high unemployment to all of this, you have multitudes who will be applying for “food stamps”, and ready for slave labor.
Click on charts on this website for a detailed look at commodity prices.
http://wp.me/p2vRlu-4
So payroll taxes go to programs that benefit the citizens rather than the MIC and Big Corporations and their enforcers. I fail to see the problem, except perhaps with your priorities.
People at the lowest end of the income scale pay every penny of their income to survive. Now, when they pay their heating bill, or buy food, or pay that portion of their bus fare that pays for fuel, if the energy companies and the food companies pay their taxes, where has that money come from?
Assuming of course energy companies, the agriculture and food industry, and those whose personal wealth comes from those industries aren’t using the money that poor and working people pay into “the system” to bribe politicians to give them tax breaks. Would such tax breaks then be considered “the same as stealing?” Should people who benefit from them be deprived of their vote?
Lets be honest with ourselves. The median household income in the U.S. is 50k. So lets be clear. The bottom 50% is not just scrapping by. They can afford to pay federal income taxes.
Oh, that’s a good one. Feel the Burn.
You didn’t answer my questions.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505
Sure, payroll taxes are taken from and given back to the citizens.
Federal income taxes (paid by only half the citizens) pay the 2.6M federal government workers, 2.5M U.S. Service Members, all the employees that work for the MIC and Big Corporations that take government contracts, etc.
It doesn’t matter what my priorities are, half the people are paying for everything.
You’re asking me if energy and agriculture companies are stealing by charging people for the goods and services they use?
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505
600 Billion for Millionaires, but we don’t have 4.5 Billion for hungry people. There’s that good ol ‘Christian’ GOP ethic again.
so 17% are note paying federal income taxes OR payroll taxes. Nice find. Almost one fifth of the population pays no taxes. Great!
No.
Most of the people who pay neither federal income tax nor payroll taxes are low-income people who are elderly, unable to work due to a serious disability, or students, most of whom subsequently become taxpayers. (In years like the last few, this group also includes a significant number of people who have been unemployed the entire year and cannot find work.)
Also I guess you didn’t read the part about excise taxes.
Also, you haven’t gotten the point about people who pay all of their income into a system that profits others who in turn find ways not to pay taxes.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505
That’s an absolutely nonsensical statement the belies what the meaning of median means.
But you seem very practiced at such statements, Everytime I read one of your comments I feel like I’ve tuned into a Rush Limbaugh show.
So 50% of people don’t pay any federal income taxes and the “rich” somehow use the system to their advantage to pay….wait for it…. 100% of federal income taxes. How is that working out for them?
How’s it working? Oh, I think pretty well:
Income and wealth inequality in the US
Wealth disparity compared to other countries
Maybe to simplify things you can just describe 2 things:
How much more should those with the most have, and how much less should those with the least have, in order for this to be a great country?
Once all those who have less than you are reduced to having nothing at all, what do you think the very next thing the people who have more than you will want?
Marym in IL, you are 100% correct. People who are unemployed due to disability, students who can’t find work, and the working poor don’t pay income tax, but they pay tax on food, gasoline, and almost anything they buy. That tax is disproportionate to their incomes.
If these current economic conditions define a recession, bordering on a depression; why are so many commodities higher than they have ever been in the history of this country? That makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
Bernie Sanders is the only Senator who questions these high commodity prices. I say these high priced commodities contain an “invisible tax” which I have labeled “the commodity market manipulators tax”. I say the rich have devised a way to extract money from the multitudes, many of which are poor.
Its not about how much more or how much less. Its the assumption that you and others like you make that the rich “aren’t paying their fair share” when in fact they are paying not only their fair share but everyone else’s as well.
Paying something towards federal income taxes is not going to leave a household making 45k with nothing. Sorry, you’re making false arguments.
Corrections:
@ 37 is a block quote from the linked article
@ 40 2nd link is income, not wealth inequality
Can you provide a link to the tax schedule that says someone earning $45K does not pay income taxes?
Also, again you didn’t answer my questions. You just state some policy talking point, but you should also be willing to examine the facts or non-facts behind that talking point, and also to examine the possible implications of the policy.
Hi Marym,
Stats are fun.
There’s plenty of facts on both sides. One thing I like to point out is of the 47% who paid no FEDERAL INCOME taxes in whatever year we’re talking about, a percentage of them are worth millions.
You don’t have to have current income to be rich.
Hi alan1tx
Now that is a nice tidbit of a stat – do you have a link? I imagine it’s a pretty small number (one would hope!)but still interesting to see.
I’m not even sure you are clear on what you are trying to ask. If you are asking if I think the government is paying too much in agriculture and energy subsidies then the answer is yes.
Sen. Stabenow should be the last one to worry about people cheating on food stamps. How about the taxpayer bailout of Michigan and the rest of the auto industry? Was that all on the up and up? I’d like to know why she isn’t spending her energy on stopping ALLY (GMAC) financial shenanigans and attempts to stick taxpayers with their stinky mortgage paper. She should be pointing her fat finger at Jack Sprat. She’d have more credibility and so would the rest of the so-called Midwestern(D)s who are feeding corn syrup to the schoolchildren of this country by the plateful. She must be up for re-election.
yes, she is up for re-election and she is confident she will be re-anointed, I mean re-elected. I plan to vote against every Michigan (D) incumbent and that includes Dingell.
Stabenow all but foamed at the mouth to secure the chairmanship of the Ag Committee. She tends to fly under the radar, casting nasty little votes for things like “Bankruptcy Reform” and Illegal Wiretapping. She’s a go along to get along type. Time to lose her.
That’s a myth. Since FICA has been included in with the general fund it’s absolutely erroneous to suggest that half the country isn’t paying.
I think Romney’s tax rate for his well over 20 million was something like 12 percent.
elisemattu–
You nailed it.
Blue
NONSENSE – the rich live off the infrastructure built by underpaid workers and paid for with tax taken from those workers. Most of the rich inherited their wealth – they did not earn it.
95% of the budget is to protect the assets of the rich – the “defense” budget is not to protect me from an invasion by Canada – it is to protect those “American” international company’s overseas assets – and their in country assets.
An Asset tax of 20% of assets after the first $500,000 would pay all the bills including national health – make it a “flat tax”, then add a income tax that is a flat tax of 10% of all income after the first 100,000. Let everyone pay the flat tax that is the payroll tax on all income – including investment income. Now that is a flat tax plan I could support.
Half the people are paying for everything because those people have screwed the other half so they have nothing – get the stats on the poor and starving in the “richest nation on earth”. You have to tax where the money is.
Now you want some cheese with that whine?
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/numbers/displayatab.cfm?Docid=3056&DocTypeID=1
Looks like over 100,000 make more than $200k and pay no Federal Income Tax.
Not whining.
See my post 2 # 24 where I say “I don’t have any problem with poorer people not paying federal income tax. Let the people that make more money pay for the workings of the govrenment. No problem.”
Thanks !