UPDATE: Darrell Issa’s House Oversight Committee has just voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt, on a party-line vote of 23 to 17.
I’ve pretty much said what I want to say about the Fast and Furious situation and the looming vote holding Eric Holder in contempt by Darrell Issa. I think it’s fairly clear at this point that ATF letting guns walk to track them was a bad strategy badly executed. That’s why the head of ATF resigned. Where Holder fits into the picture is unclear to me, but certainly Darrell Issa wants him front and center, as a means to embarrass the White House.
Obviously there’s a he said/she said quality to this. The Administration claims that they have provided all the documents necessary to prove Holder’s lack of involvement with the operation, that it was driven by officials in the field. Issa claims otherwise, and cites a couple possibly-retracted statements by Holder as evidence (read the article for the meaning of “possibly”). Ian Milhiser makes a compelling argument that Issa really doesn’t have a case here, and is just hyping this for political reasons.
But I think anytime executive privilege gets invoked, it deserves close scrutiny. It’s a rare event: President Obama had never used it before, and Presidents Clinton and Bush only used it a handful of times in their terms of office (though much more than Obama, it must be said). So what’s the rationale here?
According to Justice Department official David Cole, DoJ has already delivered over 7,600 documents in the Fast and Furious case, and officials have answered questions on a number of occasions. There’s an open investigation at DoJ on the operation, and DoJ has also basically stopped future gun-walking operations. Additionally, Cole says that the investigation has now narrowed to whether or not Holder misled Congress, and that DoJ has complied in a number of ways with that investigation. But here’s the nub of the issue:
The documents responsive to the remaining subpoena items pertain to sensitive law enforcement activities, including ongoing criminal investigations and prosecutions, or were generated by Department officials in the course of responding to congressional investigations or media inquiries about this matter that are generally not appropriate for disclosure [...]
we offered to provide the Committee with a briefing, based on documents that the Committee could retain, explaining further how the Department’s understanding of the facts of Fast and Furious evolved during the post-February 4 period, as well as the process that led to the withdrawal of the February 4 letter [...] We also offered to provide you with an understanding of the documents that we could not produce and to address any remaining questions that you had after you received the briefing and the documents on which it was based. We believe that this additional accommodation would have fully satisfied the Committee’s requests for information [...]
The legal basis for the President’s assertion of executive privilege is set forth in the enclosed letter to the President from the Attorney General. In brief, the compelled production to Congress of these internal Executive Branch documents generated in the course of the deliberative process concerning the Department’s response to congressional oversight and related media inquiries would have significant, damaging consequences.
So you have Cole saying that there is sensitive information in the remaining documents, and that the committee could have seen them, and been briefed on them, but then that the documents involved internal deliberations and “would have significant, damaging consequences” if they leaked out. These two things are in tension with one another. Why can the committee view them, and presumably incorporate them into their investigation, but the media cannot? They are either under executive privilege or they’re not. And really, Cole writes that the Administration has a problem with “compelled disclosure” that violates separation of powers. The implication is that the Administration gets to decide what information to release. That does seem like a separation of powers issue, but not the way they mean it.
There is an argument to be made that the documents include information that would be better kept secret, and within the confines of the committee (indeed, that offer, in this view, could bolster Holder’s argument). But given this Administration’s history with secrecy, I have to remain skeptical of that claim.
There’s nothing to argue with Dan Pfeiffer’s claim that this whole issue is basically a distraction. That doesn’t mean that executive privilege as a tool shouldn’t be viewed with a jaundiced eye.
There’s more from Wired and The Huffington Post. I think that the best way out for all involved is to work on reforms at ATF that would prevent this kind of thing from happening again, due to communications disconnects between the field operations and the central authority.





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From the link about ‘possibly retracted’(What a hoot); “Democrats have long attempted to bring Mukasey before the committee to testify about how much he knew about “gun walking” during the previous administration, but Republicans have refused.”
Wouldn’t it be ironic that by refusing to produce such documents, the DOJ is actually protecting Mukasey; part of Obama’s ‘look forward, not backward’ theme?
Bush began fast and furious, Republicans could have found out any thing they wanted to find out then. Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not defending any one, I’m simply stating, “This is Republican theater”.
I’d feel great if Congress impeached Placeholder. If you can’t get him for the really bad stuff he’s done, get him for anything you can.
There are no Republicans or Democrats, only a corporate duopoly employing Kabuki Theatre to distract us. Fast and Furious is the Bush program on steroids, and you should be asking why it was allowed to continue with Holder as Obama’s (Hope and Change) AG.
In relation to Wall Street, robosigning, Corzine, etc….
I think Issa should bring a vote on Holder for “Contempt of We the People” for his absolute desertion of the Rule of Law.
WRT to the central issue at this point, it seems to me that this is no longer about that… it’s now about what Issa views as a coverup. And we all know that the coverup is just as likely, if not more likely, to bring down members of the PTB.
But isn’t the failure to release TPP documents tantamount to Ex. Priv.? The only difference is that our near spineless and highly partisan Congress has yet to rally around the release of TPP docs.
WRT to any of this stuff remaining secret, I just don’t see any reason whatsoever for secrecy.
I understand this stuff relates to legal proceedings. What could possibly be in there that is so secret? Couldn’t they just expedite the legal proceedings and release everything in due course? And if everything will ultimately be released in due course, I can’t fathom this claim of Ex. Priv.
Not to defend O’s position, but can anyone even speculate as to what could possibly be so in need of secrecy? I get “sources and methods” for the CIA (accepting the need for such operations), but Holder was claiming this had to do with court proceedings. And why would O have any involvment in legal proceedings anyway? The best defense for that is that O is a micromanager… and focused on the wrong issues.
So during their respective eight year presidencies Bush II did six of these, and Clinton 14.
The quest with F&F is political as with many of the others. Issa will wear it out until Boehner warns him it’ll cost votes. Maybe O will get Holder to cough up a few more docs if that seems advantageous.
Still it seems very odd that the ATF chief, who resigned, would have dreamed up F&F on his own. What a reckless loose cannon, if he did. Some adventure which might impact relations with any foreign country is above that paygrade.
The only one questions is : Why Holder doesn’t want give those papers to congress? everything else is BS.
If the documents in question show that Holder/Obama hands are clean, there’s nothing to embarrass Obama administration. It’s only if the accusations are in fact true that there would be an embarrassment for the Obama administration. This whole thing – namely raised by the Democrats – saying that the Republicans are trying to embarrass Obama actually points toward Obama’s guilt and validates Issa’s inquiry (even if it is done for the wrong reasons).
We may never know why.
The worst imaginable could be disastrous revelations that Mexican authorities near the top were themselves involved. What use is speculation?
Isn’t this all meaningless? So what if they impeach Holder? Under our executive monarchy, can’t Obama just tell em to fuck off? And if they really push and threaten, just start the next [Iran] war? (The puppeteers’ main desire anyway.)
Gah.
We PAY them for this utter hack theater!
Nicely stated.
This whole scandal reminds me of one of the main memes that floated around in the days of Watergate: Nixon either knew what Halderman and the burglars at the Watergate Hotel were up to, and so was complicit, or he didn’t know and was so out of touch with his own staff that he was proven too ignorant to continue as the President.
So now I say the same thing about Holder. He either is complicit – or so out of touch with his own people that he should not remain. (And I do have some prejudice at work here – disliked Hodler intensely as soon as I found out he was once employed by some of the henchmen of the Death Squads.
I don’t really care about the top people favored by either the Republicans or the Dems. When Holder went after the medical marijuana clinics here in California, that was the last straw. the government is totally unwilling to and cannot regulate fracking or items like Deepwater Horizon, but instead we have to put our resources going after folks in wheel chairs using marijuana for their MS. What a crowd of bullies!
Why Obama supports executive privilege:
http://youtu.be/lZKiYgcgBAY
They didn’t raise no dummies in your family. The reason someone could run off with 94 billion dollars, and don’t nobody know nothing, and nobody can find out about where it went; is because Bush and Obama are all in it together. Go to this website for more details, it’s directly related to Man Financial.
http://wp.me/p2vRlu-4
You hit the nail dead on the head, “corporate duopoly” is the name of this game. This has been Bush III from jump street. The first thing Obama did was to stop Senator Leahy’s truth commission which was set up to look into the crimes of the Bush Administration.
There are truly “astronomical” amounts of money involved in the “ripoff”. Imagine if you could attach an invisible tax on almost everything people have to buy in order to stay alive. Just imagine, if you could buy a barrel of oil for $50, and jack up the price to $100. through the commodity markets and then make us pay $100 for it.
There are two reasons this has not been done before, one is contract position limits; they made a law to get around that, the other is the CFTC; they “highjacked” the CFTC to get around them.
Go to this website for more details.
http://wp.me/p2vRlu-4
Joe Conason has more:
http://www.nationofchange.org/republicans-swoon-over-holder-s-partisan-leak-probers-and-forget-ken-starr-1340285995
Hey. Foul. My comment was taken down. This website is in Obama’s pocket now, huh?