Hey, hey, hey! It’s the weekend. I do hope you enjoy yours.
International Developments
❖ “Syria shoots down Turkish warplane: sources”. Next headline: “Turkish warplane ‘missing’ near Syrian border” New update: Bloomberg says Syria apologies.
❖ A grim-looking (or maybe he just always looks that way) Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said “Russia will not admit a replay of the Libyan scenario in Syria . . ..”
❖ Poland has come a step closer to admitting that the CIA did “operate a secret prison in a remote lake region . . .” between 2002-3. Polish PM Donald Tusk said, “This issue must be explained. Let there be no doubt about it either in Poland or on the other side of the ocean.” Update: Krakow prosecutors “have a construction order that proves the CIA wanted a cage for terror suspects built . . .. ”
❖ Self-immolations continue, with two more Tibetans setting themselves on fire in Yushu prefecture in China. Over the past year, about 3 dozen Tibetans have set themselves on fire in protest against the Chinese persecution of Tibetans.
International Economics
❖ Greece’s Finance Minister fainted today and will undergo emergency surgery tomorrow for a damaged retina. No word on whether seeing the latest budget figures for Greece contributed to his fainting.
❖ “Spanish bonds rallied for a fourth consecutive day on Friday after the [European Central Bank] relaxed its collateral rules . . ..”
❖ Chancellor Angela Merkel has received a symbolic “slap” in the face from Germany’s Federal Constitutional Court which asked that legislation to ratify the European Stability Mechanism not be signed by July 1 as planned. Both the Left Party and center-left Social Democratic Party have announced their opposition as well.
Politics USA
❖ Between 2002 – 2009 in the US, the number of prisoners in private facilities increased by 37%. Half of all immigrant prisoners are now in privatized facilities. And the money involved is huge: the two largest private prison companies in the US reported $3.3 billion in combined revenues in 2011. Paul Krugman has been following the scandal in NJ about those half-way houses (which we’ve also been following). As Krugman summarizes in his thoughtful article, the NJ scandal “is . . . almost surely a glimpse of a pervasive and growing reality, of a corrupt nexus of privatization and patronage that is undermining the government across much of our nation.”
❖ For the first time in the US, “A Roman Catholic church official was convicted . . . of child endangerment . . ..” Monsignor William Lynn of Philadelphia helped cover-up the child sexual abuse by a priest. The conviction carries a 3-1/2 to 7 year prison sentence.
❖ House Representative Ron Barber (D-AZ), who succeeded Rep. Gabby Giffords, is holding a “Congress On Your Corner” event in his district this Saturday in Tucson. Rep. Barber was wounded at the “Congress On Your Corner” event Rep. Giffords held in January 2011 where she was shot in the head in an assassination attempt.
❖ Although he claims he doesn’t want Defense bills “weighted down” by social issues, House Armed Services Committee Chairman, Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon (R-CA) does allow all kinds of anti-gay amendments to be attached to Defense bills. Funny how that happens.
❖ NV Representative Joe Heck “has mostly voted for extending unemployment benefits”, contrary to the trend among his Republican colleagues. Seems his wife, Lisa, actually collected unemployment back in 2011 after she lost her job with her husband’s corporation when it was dissolved.
❖ Mary Cheney, daughter of two of our faves, Dick & Lynn Cheney, “has married her longtime partner, Heather Poe.”
Money Matters USA
❖ “American Austerity: Why the States Cutting Spending Are Doing Worse” Article in The Atlantic showing how states with deep budget cuts have experienced higher unemployment rates, lower private sector employment, and lower GDP growth rate. “What this report does tell us, however, is that there isn’t any evidence that austerity does any good in a situation like ours.” Nor in Europe, one might add.
❖ Consumers and businesses are due $1.1 billion in rebates from health insurance plans that didn’t “spend at least 80 percent of subscriber premiums on health-care claims and quality improvement initiatives.”
❖ Guess what consumers complain about most to the US Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Banks! Complaints by bank: 13% – Bank of America, 11% – a tie between JPMorgan and Citigroup, 8% – Capital One, and 5% – Wells Fargo.
❖ They been fooling us or we been fooling ourselves? Oil companies like to threaten that they’ll move their drilling operations elsewhere if states don’t provide them with all kinds of freebies and enticements. Turns out, they are closely tethered by the geographics of oil and little else. David Sirota tells us all about it.
Working for A Living
❖ IL Governor Pat Quinn signed legislation “requiring thousands of retired state employees to chip in on the costs of health care insurance that many of them get for little or nothing.”
❖ The US Supreme Court has ruled that “all employees represented by a union be given the chance to opt-out of paying emergency fees to be used in union political campaigns.”
❖ Modesto-based chain Save Mart Supermarkets, which is in negotiations with the United Food and Commercial Workers, has announced an hourly pay cut for senior clerk positions from $21 to $16. The UFCW is currently involved in negotiations with three major grocery chains in northern CA–Save Mart, Raley’s and Safeway. Negotiations have been on-going for 9 months now.
❖ “Jay Rockefeller Calls Out the Coal Industry“. Very interesting, since coal is such a huge industry in WV, but Rockefeller was quite clear: job losses will result unless coal mining adapts and innovates, making changes to lower emissions and create new jobs with new technologies, and so on.
Health & Hunger
❖ “Starving Greeks queue for food in their thousands as debt-wracked country finally forms a coalition government . . . but how long will it last?” Daily Mail article with lots of pictures.
❖ A lottery OR established in 2008 let some people living in poverty into the Medicaid program. Researchers have been tracking the effects since that time. They’ve found that “gaining insurance makes people healthier, happier and more financially stable.” They’ve also found that “the newly insured spent an average of $778 a year, or 25 percent, more on health care than those who did not win insurance.” Interesting case histories are presented.
❖ CA’s governor and Democrats in the legislature have made a deal to shift 880,000 children from the Healthy Families program to MediCal (CA’s Medicaid program). Almost half of the children are to be moved over to MediCal on January 1, 2013, a huge demand placed providers. CA children advocates responded immediately with “outrage”. They are concerned at the number of children who might be lost during the shift, whether the number of providers willing to see the children under MediCal is sufficient for demand, and delays in care provided in all the confusion. It’s a mess.
Planet Earth News
❖ They “were mistaken” in thinking this wouldn’t happen. “Records from disparate corners of the United States show that wells drilled to bury [30 trillion gallons of toxic liquid] deep beneath the ground have repeatedly leaked, sending dangerous chemicals and waste gurgling to the surface, or . . . seeping into shallow aquifers . . ..” And there’re only 680,000 of these underground wells.
❖ As [PA Republican] Governor Corbett pushes to give Royal Dutch Shell a $1.65 billion tax credit, the Department of Environmental Protection is investigating a potential methane migration problem in Union Township, Tioga County, involving the company’s natural gas drilling arm.” People living within a one-mile radius are being asked to temporarily evacuate.
❖ Rio+20: “Youth climate leaders and their supporters have walked out of the UN climate summit . . . to protest the negotiating text that fails to protect the climate. [They] staged a ‘people’s plenary’ saying the text decided at the conference by world leaders does not represent ‘the future we want’.” Their demonstration “violated all the U.N. rules . . ..” Go youth!
Mixed Bag
❖ When Ann Romney sold her horse Super Hit, the horse had “Butorphanol, Delomidine, Romifidine, and Xylatine in its system . . . , according to court documents.” Poor horse.
❖ Karen Klein, the 68-yo bus monitor in Greece NY who was subjected to grossly demeaning taunts and threats by middle-schoolers on the bus, as aired on Youtube, now has over $500,000 awaiting her from small donations world-wide.
Break Time
❖ Vacation plans? Here’re some pictures to inspire you.
See you back here at the Roundup Sunday evening.





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Excellent.
I think I should go to Greece, NY next fall and volunteer to be the bus monitor. Little brats would likely think twice about giving me any shit, lest they finish the trip on the roof of the bus.
Or under it, clinging to the side, etc.
Hahahahahaha! I’ve had so much fun imagining that. Many thnx for the great levity, BeachPopulist.
Glad to be of service.
Did I mention my seven years as a bar bouncer, doing concert security, that sort of thing? Perhaps it will add to your word-picture!
Best concert security I ever saw was Bill Graham. All by himself.
So you saw Bill in action, huh.
Escaping Nazi Germany then growing up in an orphanage in the Bronx is guaranteed to help make you “persuasive” when the situation calls for it.
He supposedly walked across Europe, too, in order to escape. One tough guy.
Yeah. Germany through France and finally into Portugal.
His wiki entry doesn’t say he walked, though. Whatever–it was quite a saga and so young to be on it!
Why did Syria apologize for shooting down a plane that invaded its airspace.
Report I heard was that Turk plane penetration was testing Syrian prep for wider air war or provocation for same.
If so, Syria has nothing to apologize for.
Didn’t know that was in Greece, NY, not too far from where I have a buncha relatives. They are generally nice folks, but do tend to be judgemental in conservative ways. Guess I’ll ask them what they think and see if that firecracker ignites any social consciousness.
If they were “testing”, they got some sure-fire results!
On first glance, yes.
However, peeling back onion layers, maybe Turks learned enough to warrant ditching a jet.
Ya never know how shallow/deep, smart/stupid these ops are in real time, and often never know long after the fact.
Given western propaganda is ALL against Syria, loss of one Turk jet is likely to be a positive for same.
Do you have any idea why Erdogan is so involved in the effort to overthrow Assad?
I certainly don’t, eCAHN. So much intrigue–or ops, as you said. So many players. So much money. Just unbelievable–and now a pilot or two are dead.
What’s a pilot or two in the higher goal.
Only thing I’ve read is Sunni/Shia/Alawite sectarian conflict.
I don’t believe that Turkey is in it for that. My (shallow) read on Erdogan is that he is mildly religious (unlike the original scare reports that he would return Turkey to Islamic fundamentalist state).
Other clear conflict is good Kurds/bad Kurds. Hard to believe Erdogan would create so much conflict/disorder in his neighborhood over that, when the bad Kurds haven’t been creating much of a prob in Turkey of late.
So from what little I do know, nothing explains what Turkey is doing.
According to this (from the BBC), Syria has announced that it did bring down the jet. 2 crew members, btw.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18561219
On Syria: I wouldn’t say America is looking for a precise replay of Libya. The opposition to Assad is more diverse and less organized than those in Libya. The world is different now and Syria is different from Libya in many ways.
On Mary Cheney: Congratulations.
On Pennsylvania: Condolences to everyone in need of cleaner water. I feel *certain* the Republicans there will clean it all up. *sigh*
Any independent confirmation that it was a Turkish jet? And by that I mean, a loss that will be borne by Turkey? Any chance there was some US sponsorship involved? The Masters of HRC & BO really want the USG involved in Syria.
Do you have a clear understanding of the opposition to Assad and who outside the country supports them?
And fatster, I understand the desire to shed light on the CIA prisons, but… heck… Obama’s okey-dokey with a drone army and his own personal kill list. And Holder’s current mantra is “there’s no there there” when questioning the Administration.
So why bother?
:(
Ok, sorry… now that I vented, I’m back on board with accountability. Just not holding my breath for a minimum of 4.5 years… but will get started in the meantime!
Good caveat.
My first read is that anything oppo sides agree on might be true, but not necessarily.
In this case, both Syria & Turkey say it was Turk jet.
What is a Turkish jet?
Turkish markings?
Turkish pilot?
Did pilot survive / die?
eCahn… if anyone here understands disinformation! ;)
None that I’m finding at the moment, TimWhite. I’m looking, I promise.
Surely.
But make up a disinfo hypothesis that explains why both sides agree that it was a Turk jet.
Not disputing. Just searching for answers.
What makes a Turkish jet? Turkey bought the damned thing. There haven’t been active F-4 Phantoms in the US inventory for decades. This is probably one of the final bureau number series of F-4s produced and I can’t imagine that it was anything but an RF-4J, (which is the reconnaissance version of the airframe), or perhaps a trainer. How do I know? Because the Turkish Air Force is currently flying the F-16C, which is orders of magnitude better than the best F-4 ever produced. The Phantom was a great airplane….in 1965.
If you had read the link provided, some of your questions would have been answered. Yes, aircrew survived and yes, a Turkish aircrew. This isn’t some kind of diabolical plot to get us involved in Syria.
BTW, Sandusky has been convicted on 45 of 48 charges.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-22/sandusky-verdict/55768640/1
Saw that.
Guessing he gets min sentence, but that’s just the cynic in me.
I have a vague understanding of Syria / Turkey relations. And totally unrelated to my vague understanding…
Whether with Iran or a proxy war in Syria, PTB want more war.
If USG gives Turkey some jets to use as props to instigate a war, Turkey maintains the official line that it was a Turkish jet… as would Syria.
Turkey may — or may not have — jets already within their borders. The jets could be promised. Or maybe something else was promised that far exceeds the value of a jet (and sadly, a possible life or two).
I look at Greece and figure that Turkey must be facing some similar economic problems. So maybe Turkey just got an assurance of a private Federal Reserve bailout?
I have no idea what the Syria / Turkey situation is. I just know that I see no reason to trust the USG when it comes to their advocacy for more war. :(
Does this bring us a step closer to justice?
The guy is 68. Even the minimum would probably be a life sentence.
Nope but it brings me a step closer to outrage. Actually it’s too late. I’ve been outraged since November of 2000.
Wouldn’t at all be surprised if Erdogan sold out to U.S. in Syria.
But am thinking back on Erdogan decision not to allow U.S. to invade Iraq from Turkey in 2003, and wondering what has changed.
Drove by that site in 2000. Polish relative said: Russians moved out & U.S. moved in.
Learned in 2007 that it was secret U.S. CIA torture site.
My point was not really about whether the jet was “Turkish” or the crew was “Turkish.” My point was about the decision makers and their intents in flying a jet into Syrian airspace.
As for reading, I try. But fatster put up a lot tonight!
As for presuming the innocence of individuals (within the USG) who have the ability to drive war policy in a certain direction, I’ve seen their lies in an all-too-personal manner. So I come from the perspective that there are individuals (not the USG itself) who can, and will, push for war when possible. And this just struck me as a *possible* situation where certain USG employees *may* be involved.
Accountability is always important. But there will be none as long as we keep The Authoritarians in power.
Like I said in comment # 27, the Turkish Air Force flies F-16Cs and they are a “partner” in the F-35 program. There is nothing nefarious about this either because as a NATO member, they get the very best possible hardware, just like other NATO members who don;t fly aircraft of their own manufacture. I agree the PTB want more war but they are salivating over Iran, not Syria.
Syria is the gateway drug to Iran.
I fully agree with that.
I’m not presuming innocence on behalf of the US or NATO. I’m not going to presume guilt either. I’ll bet they were up there, snapping pictures of the border area when they strayed into Syrian airspace. Just a guess of course.
That would be funny, if it wasn’t so plausible…
And I didn’t mean to sound demeaning or flippant, just offering the perspective of someone who knows a bit about aircraft, Turkey and NATO.
Fucking fuck Mary Cheney and her oh-so-accepting puke fascist family and her skating to happiness on the work of dirty fag n dyke hippies and her affluence owing to calculated mass murder.
Fuck her happiness. Also, I hope her wife dumps her for a man. Yes that’s how much I hate the Cheney.
From what I read, it’s the definite plan.
As crazy as that is.
But…
Given your expertise, how often deception?
I don’t understand the question. Forgive me for being slow today. And do you have a link about what “the plan” is?
Hey Fatster ! All that I wrote today has been erased even from what’s called ‘the dashboard’ in settings at the myFDL toolbox so I guess I’m not appreciated by someone and will thereby withdraw from this forum. Thanks for the memories; I guess us old fat guys just don’t meet the mods ‘standards’.
But when I click on your name, all your comments are there. Plus if you’d been taken down like that, you wouldn’t be able to post. Don’t leave over a possible tech glitch. Is it a diary of yours that’s missing? What was the topic?
Vaca plans… been to Montreal in the past. But thinking about an Ottawa / Quebec City road trip in July (from southern New England).
Plan link is Wes Clarke clip. I didn’t save link. But (though I detest Clarke) his youtube revelation that his sources in DoD included a list of countries the U.S. had plans to overthrow.
The question is: In your experience, how often does what you know differ from what U.S. said, i.e., from your personal knowledge how often did the USG engage in deception.
Plus Jane just did a post restating her rules. She lets most stuff fly. So if someone starts deleting a regular, I bet she’ll tee off on the “deleter.”
The USG and the military are capable and culpable of deception and manipulation. I wouldn’t trust anything they said. That being said, nobody is going to provoke a war by shooting down an obsolete airplane that strays into somebody else’ airspace. Nor do I believe you would get a lot of Turks to volunteer for such a mission. The ones I met and worked with were professional and disciplined in every respect but they, (as a group), weren’t into martyring themselves.
Oh, my goodness, ubetchaiam! Do see Margaret’s comment @ 48. Meanwhile, I’ll see what I can find out.
There must be some mistake – write to MyFDLEditor AT firedoglake dot com
meanwhile, I’ve let them know also
Who coulda predicted that eating raw fish might make you sick?
Is the scenario you mention any more bizarre than using WMDs as excuse for war.
Best I can tell, there’s only one small hitch in the MIICs plans to wage war in Syria and Iran:
Putin
And the Western PTB can’t get around that one hitch very easily. From Vlad’s perspective, he throws down the gauntlet and draws a line in the sand with the USA. His game of distraction is no different from the one they routinely use on us.
In the meantime, our own PTB will try various angles to get around Putin. For example, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard hiring Mexican drug dealers to detonate a North Korean nuke at the Saudi Embassy in DC. Oops! There was no NK nuke in that absurd plot. But the PTB have no problem trying anything and everything until they come up with a BS plan that starts the war.
There you are ubetchaiam. Two front page writers, at least one of whom I know does monitor duties sometimes telling you it’s got to be an error. Give them a chance to sort it out, won’t you?
salmonella on the east coast, radiation on the west.
Choose your poison.
Again, I don’t have enough information to judge whether it was just a training accident or something more nefarious. I just don’t know. As I’ve stated, I wouldn’t put anything past them but on the other hand, there’s no evidence in that story to suggest deception or war baiting is involved.
Thanks.
I live near the Gulf Coast. My poison is oil and was chosen for me by BP and whatever government organ was supposed to oversee and approve operations like that. I’ll never eat another Gulf Coast shrimp, even if the species survives.
Tell me about it. My fam is from N.O. I visit often. I can’t believe they eat that shit.
I hope your evening is being a pleasant one. :)
ubetchaiam, please check in and let us know of your progress in getting this all worked out. Thnx.
Still?!? Wow! Darwin had a point….
Watch it now. That is my momma, daddy, sistawoman and bubba you are talking about.
Yeah, didn’t mean to belittle your family but you’ve got to admit that continuing to eat Gulf seafood probably isn’t the smartest thing they’ve collectively done…
Is Syria/Iran worth Russian standing up to U.S.
Don’t know. But worth considering from Russian POV (much beyond my pay grade).
I.E., contrary to U.S. bomb-em-to-the-stone-age, Russian POV might be let U.S. get itself so embroiled in intl entanglements that it drowns in octopuses tentacles.
Then we would know that Russia at least is able to learn from past mistakes.
Some random comments ina random article on Putin:
Also, Putin sees the USA in decline and China on the rise. So why not saber rattle toward the USA as a distraction.
Interesting side note to me though — and perhaps contradicting my point — in a rare moment, I happened to be at my sister’s place (she has TV). I turned on Rachel Maddow and she was talking about Russia turning back a warship — that was bound for Syria — after speaking with President Kill List.
It may not be Russia standing up to the US. The Russia / China / Iran war games would be standing up to the US, but symbolic in many other ways. No doubt India would take notice of an Iran / China alliance. And it would marginalize US influence from a Euro / African / Latam perspective, I imagine.
Gotta be a glitch or a mistake, I agree, ubet. I left a comment for you at my diary as well.
Is the UK having a bank meltdown and lying about it? They’ve been down since Tuesday and are claiming computer problems.
Syria shot down a Turkish jet on June 22, an official told the Hürriyet Daily News, adding that Damascus expressed sorrow over the incident and was cooperating with Ankara in search and rescue efforts for two Turkish pilots in Syrian territorial waters.
I expect you to write “An evil looking (or maybe she just always looks that way) Killary Clinton” soon. That will be some consistency.
The pols’ body language at its best is a practiced art and no accident. It has to be not noticed as such.
Their body language is not an inadvertent human response to an unexpected event. Rather, it’s use is purposeful, engaged to send a message through the media and on to a gullible public. A desired response, based on the body language, is expected.
It’s akin to packaging. Consider that a measure of what the pols really think of the public at large. Chattel, more or less.
I think pols are coached (or coach themselves) on how to “strike a pose” by practising specific situations. Hillary seems most prepped in her “rotten egg smell” stance when she’s annoyed and needs to appear slightly threatening. Other than that one, she seems generally honest I think.
Elizabeth Warren has had a problem with this throughout her campaign. Early on it was an overuse of overhead lighting which cast shadows on her face. That seems to have gone away. But there’s still way too much shaking fists, which causes her whole frame to vibrate, and which seems to be a nervous tic it occurrs so often. She might not need the ubiquitous eyeglasses, and would come across as more sincere without them. Glasses have taken on the function of a prop because they’re so overused.
Any new candidate might seem uncomfortable in the campaign aura, and the public is likely to notice. It has nothing to do with policy or ideology.
It’s interesting to watch them try to project. Doing it consciously must be very difficult.
This is a tech glitch. Our folks checking backstage are finding your sign in profile pages got skewed up. Dunno how, yet. They’ll contact you on what to do.
So Ann Romney’s horse was doped on Romifidine!
What has Mitt been doped with?
Likewise, I’m sure.
Like in Vietnam? The French moved out and we moved in.
Kinda hard to get them out, but we gotta keep trying.
And, to answer my own question, every revelation lays the groundwork for a future prosecution under the grounds of universal jurisdiction.
A powerful drug called LDS.
IL Governor Pat Quinn signed legislation “requiring thousands of retired state employees to chip in on the costs of health care insurance that many of them get for little or nothing.”
Has it ever occurred to politicians that if the government pays to insure so many public employees, it has enough bargaining power to tell the insurance companies to clean up their act? Just once, I’d like to see a governor call the head of that state’s BC/BS into his or her office and say, “Why do you have so many overpaid executives on your payroll? And by the way, why are you spending so much to hire an army of employees whose main job function is to deny claims?”
Pray tell. What do you know on this subject?