So, if I drive in my own state of California, I can get by with a driver’s license, registration, and insurance. But if I would cross the line into Arizona, then I have to carry my passport and birth certificate (long-form, of course). Or, I’m Anglo and my wife is Asian and child of mixed race. If I have my papers, but wife and kid don’t, do they get hauled into jail? Further, are there no tourists who drive from Mexico to Arizona? Or Canada to Arizona? Are they to be harassed for papers? This is so bizarro.

Just impeach these bastards.

Fine German line, “Papers PLEASE”.

“please”?

“Within a few weeks”? Is that some kind of joke? Papers please will never be overturned. It will spread and spread from state to state while people tremble in their homes, afraid to go outside or send their kids outside, as they are doing in Arizona tonight. Thanks to the four “liberal” justices who could have blocked it had they been able to summon the moral courage to do so. And of course the veal pen will emit soothing words of hopey changey all along the way.

“Officers must be careful not to stop someone for more than a “reasonable” amount of time while verifying his or her status, however, or the inquiry could violate the stopped person’s rights. Gov. Jan Brewer says officers have been trained not to racially profile while implementing the new law.”

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit. The cops determine what constitutes reasonable?! And they are trained not to racially profile?! In what alternate universe? So they are going to be harassing Scandinavians as well?

“This means that Arizona law enforcement would have to let the person go if the feds did not pick him or her up for deportation.”

Right. I’m sure that is exactly what will happen. Because if not, these local cops will have Obama to answer to and his dossier of hotline complaints. Ye fucking gods. Who is in a position to hold these cops accountable? This all only further exacerbates the imbalance between people and uniformed control addicts with guns and badges, and the latter will use this expanded power to step on Latino necks all across the state.

Imbecilic Bush couldn’t speak English well. I hope he’s asked for his papers.

Be careful not to mention “papers” around Dubya. He’ll think it’s time to go poo-poo.

They’re (Right Wing Fascists) using the police in Paraquay and Bolivia to overthrow their democratically elected leftist Presidents.

If they can’t turn (bribe) the military, they grease the police.

The police and military are the preferred instrument of the fascisti for cracking heads and getting people back in line.

Fascism.

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3

Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

From Liberty Forum

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_constitution&Number=642
109&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1

Sound familiar?

Whats the issue?

Its the first step towards a responsible immigration policy, rather than the current system which rewards illegals and punishes those that attempt to achieve citizenship legally.

“seeming nervous.” good way to narrow it down.

with a cherry on top. don’t know that i’ve ever had a cop say please to me at a routine traffic stop even. but I’m sure the AZ cops do.

i don’t really get how illegals are rewarded under the current system.

Really? You go to another country and try to live, work, find housing, receive welfare, have children who receive automatic citizenship etc, etc. and let us know how that works out for you.

I wish bmaz would stop by and explain what is actually happening on the ground in Maricopa County tonight. He could run a clinic for us.

Just a technical nit I love to pick when Supreme Court decisions are on the front page: nobody gets to do anything, or is forced to do anything, based on a Supreme Court decision until the Court issues its “mandate,” which is an actual piece of paper bearing the judgment. In many cases, the mandate does not issue for at least thirty days, and sometimes 60 days, after an opinion is issued. In the AZ anti-immigrant case, the mandate will first issue to the court below, which is the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Only when the 9th Cir. receives the mandate and actually terminates the injunction, or orders the U.S. District Court to terminate the injunction, will any cop in Arizona be lawfully permitted to apply any portion of the anti-immigrant statute which was enjoined by the U.S. District Court.

The legal process takes time, even when you think you “won” in the Supreme Court. And that time is much longer than “the next day” or even “the next week.” So all Arizona cops are still under an injunction not to apply the “papers please” provision until the mandates are issued by the respective courts down the chain of judicial command. I would guess not until after the Fourth of July, at the earliest (i.e., ten days), and possibly not until after Labor Day. And if Arpaio and Brewer get their panties in a bunch before the injunction is lifted, and try to bust a brown person for being brown, the injunction might never be lifted because DOJ would have an instant “as-applied” case on which to renew their motion for injunction.

difficulty speaking English

That would be over 250 Million people on this continent.

English is not spoken here. The American dialect is spoken.

I need to use a rubber to change a colour of my prep (preparation).

Would not be understood on the West Coast of the Atlantic.

Indeed it does sound familiar. This is a useful checklist as well: http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html

The US is one of only a handful of countries in the world that treats illegal immigration as a criminal, as opposed to an administrative, issue. Collectively, illegal immigrants pay more in taxes (income, sales, sin, property) than they receive in government services. Many pay into the Social Security system for which they will never receive any “security.” Very few receive “welfare” due to the obvious risks of being deported if discovered.

When US agricultural corporations are subsidized with US tax payer dollars so they can then dump corn on the Mexican economy for less than local growers can sell it causing many Mexican farmers to lose their land and livelihood, does that meet your definition of welfare?

Uh, how about Mexico, Laura? Or for that matter, just about every country in the Western Hemisphere, when it comes to “children who receive automatic citizenship” simply by being born there. It’s only a fine here, and — having been an undocumented foreign resident in Mexico several years ago — I can tell you for a fact that “illegal aliens” were able to use social services.

It’s a popular false retort that illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than their costs to public/government services, including school systems and hospitals. Those who have Social Security deducted from their pay are most likely being scammed by their employer, who are also not likely to forward any withheld “taxes” to any state or federal agency.

Lets party like its 1929!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

Very. I also like Chris Hedges definition of what is developing here, “Inverted Totalitarianism.” It also fits well with the Fascist definitions you’ve presented with a few twists.

There is nothing popular or false about the fact that undocumented immigrants collectively pay more in taxes than they receive in government services. And I say fact not because of personal bias but because that is the conclusion of the research that compares costs to benefits for this issue. The only sources where the opposite meme is promoted are anti-immgrant groups, the TeeVee news and similar entities with a political or economic motivation for promulgating the idea that undocumented immigrants are sapping and impurifying our precious bodily fluids. These sources engage in a very simple trick: in their calculations on the economic effects of undocumented immigrants, they simply leave out the benefits column. You can look at the totality of empirical evidence as a basis for your conclusions or you can let the TeeVee tell you what to believe.

“Papers? What papers!? Tell Brewer I don’t need her stinking papers!”