White House officials have been in consultation with the GOP House leadership in advance of tomorrow’s contempt of Congress vote for Attorney General Eric Holder over the Fast and Furious scandal and the Justice Department’s response to an Oversight Committee investigation and document request. However, the two sides have not reached an agreement, and as of now, the contempt vote will be held as scheduled. Even though the White House provided access to 30 new documents, that was not enough to delay the contempt vote, suggesting that the vote itself and not the investigation is the end goal here.
Meanwhile, a piece from Fortune magazine reveals that the Fast and Furious investigation was not as it has been portrayed, particularly in conservative media. First of all, it was not a so-called “gun-walking” investigation:
Quite simply, there’s a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.
Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.
Read the whole thing. This is the heart of the scandal, that ATF intentionally let straw purchasers, who were buying guns for drug cartels in Mexico, walk without investigation or arrest. But it didn’t happen, and it didn’t happen for an interesting reason. The ATF agents tried to make cases, but current state and federal gun drug laws, particularly in Arizona, hobbled them. In other words, the success of the NRA in gutting gun control laws led to the outcomes in the Fast and Furious operation as much as anything else.
Dave Voth, who figures prominently in the piece, was an ATF agent responsible for stopping drug traffickers in Arizona. However, under state law, customers over the age of 18 can legally buy as many guns as they want without a waiting period or a permit. What’s more, buyers can legally resell the guns.
That set of facts must frame any discussion of Fast and Furious. The operation was not, as the NRA wants you to believe, an effort to make gun purchasing look bad in order to push a spate of gun control laws. No, it was a failed effort to negotiate those laws and stop guns at the border, made impossible by previously passed, NRA-endorsed legislation. And the Administration won’t tell you that because, as ever, they are afraid of being seen as on the side of gun control, even though they’re being accused of that anyway.
The NRA will score the contempt vote, and that probably means that some House Democrats, in an election year, will vote for contempt, wary of getting on the wrong side of the gun lobby. But it’s worth pointing out that absolutely nothing you’ve heard about Fast and Furious is likely to be true.




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Golly. The Republicans are going after a Democratic president with a trumped-up non-scandal purely intended to damage the president’s standing in polls during an election year.
Who could have imagined that such a thing would happen.
I have one question, “How could Barack Obama, and Eric Holder get bogged down for over 3 years in this Republican “nothing” crap”?
The Republicans tried to push them into the new Black Panther Party.
“The New Black Panther Party”; that was a lot funnier than “The Three Stooges”. For weeks, day after day; “Fox” had these three black dingbats who were supposed to be intimidating white voters. They had to keep the white voters out of the shots as much as possible, because the voters were looking at “The New Black Panthers” as if to say “Who are those dingbats?” and continued to vote.
Fox TV believed those three dingbats were a threat and Erik Holder the Attorney General should be investigating them.
The fact that the real “Black Panther Party”, stated emphatically that they knew absolutely nothing about them three dingbats, blew past the morons who watch Fox, because that wasn’t on “Fox”.
(I believe they were actors hired by Fox)
What’s next?
But at this point, for Issa is this about an act (FnF) or a coverup of an act?
In light of other insta-declassifications and the controversy about leaks, I find this line interesting.
Regarding “But it’s worth pointing out that absolutely nothing you’ve heard about Fast and Furious is likely to be true”…
I’ve heard the Mexican government say that these guns were found at about 170 different crime scenes. It’s estimated 200 Mexicans have lost their lives as a result.
Are you saying that’s not true?
The best case scenario is that the ATF was so incompetent they didn’t work out the legal procedures for enforcement prior to enacting the Fast and Furious program. That’s even beyond incompetence. That’s gross negligence. Innocent people died as a result and someone should be held accountable.
The worst case scenario is that the government knew the weapons wouldn’t be traceable technically or legally, and they funneled the weapons into the exact hands where they wanted them end up.
Wait a second. . .
The ATF had a similar program when G.W. Bush was President, the Mexican government was informed that straw buyers for the Mexican mafia were trying to buy guns. Back then the ATF would arrest the buyer on the spot. That program ended when Bush left office.
When President Obama took over a new program was started called Fast and Furious, it started out very similar to the old Bush policy, but then it evolved into allowing the gun buyers to leave the store so the guns could be tracked back to the drug gangs in Mexico, but they lost track of some of the guns, and they never informed the Mexican Government for fear that word would get back to the drug lords. That’s when some in the Obama administration found out what was going on, they thought, hey we could use this as a way to get better gun control laws passed. Those are the Documents Issa is requesting.
It’s like this: the congress requests documents 1 through 10, and the Administration responds with documents 11 through 99, then claims they gave 10 times as many documents as were requested, but they never gave the actual requested documents. I predict in 30 to 60 days a Federal Court will require the Obama Administration to hand over the requested documents, and they will show that the Obama Administration was discussing how to use this investigation to get better gun control laws passed.
And the Administration won’t tell you that because, as ever, they are afraid of being seen as on the side of gun control, even though they’re being accused of that anyway.
Savvy!
If any of the above article were true, Holder could have ended this 18 months ago. Sen Grassley was
acting on information from whistleblowers and instead of responding, Holder’s office waited 8 months
to send a letter totally false. They waited another 8 months to admit it was false. Holder has on 3
occasions had to retract “inadvertent” lies told to Congress. If there is no issue, as the author claims,
why has Holder continued to tell lies? why has the president claimed “executive privilege” instead of
providing the documents specifically identified by the whistleblowers? Expecting to get the truth from
anyone still working for the government is foolish. Before writing another false account, I suggest you
read the direct testimony of the whistleblowers.
Now who are you going to believe, a corporate government/MSM that continually lies, disseminates propaganda, and prosecutes whistleblowers that claims to put the interests of the 99% above those of the 1% or the Mexican government that is impacted by this non-existent program? I’ll go with the Mexican government.
agreed and there is so much more. As i said before there seems to be two David’s writing for FDL….this seems to be the other one :) Nice try though but hopefully the pups will do there own research
Next thing you know the administration will deny that Eric Holder ever defended United Fruit for employing para-military death squads to eliminate union organizers in Colombia. It wasn’t AG Holder, it must have been his evil twin.
Lately I find myself checking to see that I’m at FDL instead of DailyKos, considering that Obama fever seems to be reasserting itself here.
There has to be a little more. If there is nothing to embarass the president, or even the AG, the documents wold have been released and the whole deal would have been over last year.
Actually, it’s about a coverup of an investigation of an act. So it’s about three notches removed.
Interesting piece, Dayan. Thanks. It may very well be an unintended consequence of NRA-promoted gun policies.
To me this sounds an awful lot like the BATF trying to cover for their incompetence. “Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns,” the article states. However, the agents interviewed “insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked.” But if the whole idea was to follow the guns up the criminal chain of command, allowing guns to be trafficked was required by the exigencies of the BATF’s operation. They allowed the whole thing to take place and then claim the reason that things did not go as they planned was because someone else “stymied” and “hamstrung” their operation? While “agents never purposefully allowed weapons to be trafficked,” they were responsible for starting that snowball rolling down the hill. When the BATF allowed straw purchasers to walk away from the sale, the BATF was taking responsibility for what happened next. Who the fuck was responsible for this operation that they did not think to coordinate with local “prosecutors” or check on the “weak laws” they might have to deal with in order to get convictions?
Why assume that the BATF knows what they are doing? From Waco to when they recently had a nationwide gun show sting operation where they announced which shows they would be at ahead of time, the BATF is notoriously incompetent and dangerous. They make the DMV look good.
“The best case scenario is that the ATF was so incompetent they didn’t work out the legal procedures for enforcement prior to enacting the Fast and Furious program. That’s even beyond incompetence. That’s gross negligence. Innocent people died as a result and someone should be held accountable.”
Indeed. My sentiments exactly but better articulated by you.
“The best disinfectant is daylight” I don’t care if Bush or Obama is involved. Lets see the files and we can see for ourselves. Te stonewalling and lies from the current administration does send up some flags.
Since even Holder has not said Fast and Furious was like Fortune protrayed it, it sounds to me like some agents trying to cover their ass.
So, either Holder is even more mis-informed about what his department was/are doing, or Fortune has no idea what they are talking about.
Obama, Reid, and Pelosi played “paddycake” the with Republicans. Now the right is playing hardball. The Dems pride themselves on NOT impeaching Bush, NOT holding the banks accountable, NOT standing up for the constitution. Now they are paying the price. They did not look like the only adults in the room. They just look like weak chumps who are gonna get punked.
I think Bush’s escapade was “Wide Receiver,” which supposedly actually tracked weapons’ movements and collected intel. An embedded chip?
Regarding all the docs wanted by Issa & Co, it might be they are withheld as fire for effect by a clever O. O eventually says “OK here they are,” there’s nothing inflammatory there, and Issa has dug himself a hole and looks foolish to his supporters forever after.
Let’s follow the (il)logic: If somebody wanted to incite public outcry for gun regulation, Stand Your Ground was perfect. Ergo, the NRA, Alec and the Republicans want to take away gun-owners’ rights. Don’t think we’ll see that cuckoo cloud speak on Fox, though.
As for FnF, If Holder had any sense, professional ethic or initiative at all, he would have shut down any offshoot of something as patently stupid as Wide receiver on the first day in office. I wish there was a way for both Holder and Issa to lose. Wait, there is: 3rd party.
Well, if it’s all that innocuous, not to mention damaging to the gun-nuts, then Holder should just release the memos.
“…if OBAMA had any sense, professional ethic, or initiative at all, he would have shut down any offshoot of something as patently stupid as Wide Receiver, on the first day in office.”
There; fixed it. :o)
Of course, he’s kept so many of bush’s loony-tunes policies going, why worry about something like this “evolving” onto HIS bartab, for the republicans to shriek about?
I think Mitt Romney is too dumb to make a good preznint, and at this point, i KNOW Barack Obama is.
“Even though the White House provided access to 30 new documents”
What a load of crap. It looks a lot like the White House picked the 30 documents that put them in the best light and decided to hand those over to Congress. Even if that is not what is going on, that is what nearly everyone is going to assume.
Anyway, it’s at least possible that Obama and Holder have nothing to hide, just as you say. So they should just release every document to show everyone that they are innocent of multiple criminal acts, right?
Thanks. Haven’t been following it. I’ve been focusing most of my limited reading time on your Wall Street stuff… stuff for which we should hold Holder accountable.
I find this story to be pretty shady. I used to sell a lot of guns in the state of Florida as a licensed dealer, and Florida has very lax gun laws. With that said, this story doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. First off, federal law (especially with regards to firearms) supersedes state law, and if the ATF knows someone is trafficking guns, there is nothing to stop them from arrest/prosecution; Arizona sure the hell can’t tell the ATF what to do. Also, what difference does it make what Arizona’s drug or guns laws are?? Arizona’s gun laws (and drug laws?) are irrelevant to the issue. Straw purchasers are individuals who sell to others who are ineligible to purchase guns; ie, felons etc. It is also illegal for individuals to make private gun transactions across state lines. So what’s the problem for the ATF? My belief is the ATF majorly fucked up and is trying to lay blame elsewhere.
If the ATF fucked up (and maybe, if it didn’t…) we might see Obama try to hang them out to dry…if push comes to shove on this.
So, all these new commenters show up to question Dayens post, when all it did was summarize reporting by Fortune. Basically, they argue the Fortune reporter has everything wrong, based on . . . What?
At this point, either the reporter who spent months researching this is lying when she says the rightwing version of events is upside down, or Issa has been misleading everyone all along. That’s an easy call.
“That’s an easy call…”
The easy call is that Obama was stupid enough to sustain this idiocy, instead of shutting it down the day he came into office.
“My belief is the ATF majorly fucked up and is trying to lay blame elsewhere.”
Good call. That conclusion is where my money is. Or, we are all to believe that the BATF was “stymied” by locals?!
The Fortune article assumes a level of competence by the BATF that in my experience is unwarranted. If, as they claim, what caused the failure of FnF was local prosecutors and weak laws, why didn’t they have the planning, professional contact, and foresight to deal with that? If the idea behind FnF was to allow an illegal act to take place (the straw purchase) in order to catch bigger fish, the BATF just greatly increased its responsibility for what migh happen next. It is this greater responsibility (that the BATF generated) that they are now trying to get themselves out of. It is possible that the BATF screwed the pooch and that Issa is twisting the whole affair to political advantage.
Dear friends, every one is getting to bogged down in details, and our mutual distrust of Obama.
This is about keeping Eric Holder so deep in nothing “crap” that he can not do anything else. That’s not good for us. While the Black Caucus is spearheading a walkout, they have the support of all the other Democratic Caucuses. Maybe they want to stop this BS for a reason. Maybe they want Holder to prosecute some of the people we’ve been discussing.
Now is the only time they have any leverage. If O is re-elected he’ll do whatever he wants to do. If Mit is elected he’ll do what ever he wants to do.
The Democratic Caucuses can give O ultimatums; either he back them in regard to specific prosecutions, or go to the convention alone.