The problem with all too much of the early analysis of Thursday’s Supreme Court decision on the Affordable Care Act is that it’s framed around whether Obama/Democrats won or lost, whether the mandate survived or not, and whether the “liberals” or “conservatives” on the court came out on top. I think most of that is of dubious value.
Curiously, while CNN and FOX were ridiculed for getting their first headlines wrong — Court overturns mandate! — the subsequent “correct” analysis may also turn out to be backwards. So while rabid ObamaCare haters were initially joking (or serious?) about moving to Canada to escape the traitor, John Roberts’ betrayal and the destruction of liberty in America, even if that meant they’d now have to pay taxes to support a single-payer system, subsequent analyses said, hmm, maybe this Roberts guy was more clever than we thought.
Writing about what he calls the political genius of John Roberts, Ezra Klein quotes law professor Randy Barnett:
“We won,” said Georgetown law professor Randy Barnett, who was perhaps the most influential legal opponent of the Affordable Care Act. “All the arguments that the law professors said were frivolous were affirmed by a majority of the court today. A majority of the court endorsed our constitutional argument about the Commerce Clause and the Necessary and Proper Clause. Yet we end up with the opposite outcome. It’s just weird.”
Professor Barnett is right on the constitutional issues. Roberts and a majority of Justices –all conservatives — endorsed almost all of the conservative arguments that were designed to limit Congress’ power against the states and Congress power under the Commerce Clause. The latter included the nonsensical “broccoli argument,” whose premise appears in Roberts’ claim that the “mandate” forced people to “buy a product” called “insurance.” And because requiring you to do something is regulating “inactivity,” it’s not permissible under the Commerce Clause. Those arguments, previously thought silly, are now going to be cited as precedent by those who frankly don’t give a whit about precedent when it’s inconvenient.
Roberts also got a majority of Justices — all conservatives and two others — to endorse the dangerous view that Congress can’t use its funding leverage to compel states to expand federal/state programs like Medicaid, SCHIP and many other programs that have always operated off that principle. We will see that one return again.
And yet the Chief Justice wrote a “majority opinion” that, with four liberal justices concurring in the final result, upheld the so-called mandate under Congress’ power to tax. Why accept conservative arguments throughout to reach a result supported by the so-called “liberals”?
I don’t find this surprising. Quite apart from debates here about whether the mandate is “liberal” or a concoction of conservative think tanks to channel billions in public monies through private corporations, I think it would have been dangerous for the Chief Justice to hold, as his conservative colleagues wanted, that Congress doesn’t have the power to tax to accomplish valid public purposes.
All Roberts did was to acknowledge the previously unassailable, that Congress can in fact enact taxes for such purposes. To hold otherwise would have confirmed in everyone’s minds that the conservative majority’s views are extreme, radical departures from common sense. They undermine the ability of any government to function for what most people think are legitimate public purposes, like promoting decent health care for your citizens. By not openly embracing the radical’s goals, Roberts may have saved the conservatives’ image from their own extremism, at least for now. But in all else, he ratified their arguments and left the precedents there as future traps for Congress and the federal government.
I think that helps explain why careful readers like Brad DeLong, et al, found multiple signs the Chief Justice “switched sides” at the last moment, turning the expected “majority opinion” into a poorly edited “dissent” by Scalia and friends. That created a new “majority opinion” whose reasoning his four liberal “joiners” in the new majority probably thought was absurd. I suspect the Chief Justice didn’t see himself as “switching sides.” He just changed tactics to strengthen his conservative team’s strategic position.
So this wasn’t a 5-4 decision for “liberals” but instead a 4-1-4 decision, in which Roberts gets to have it both ways. He’s the one in the middle who lets Congress enact a tax to support a government policy — nothing constitutionally interesting there — while the Court ratifies several conservative restrictions on what Congress can do to solve national problems.
In the process, he did violence to constitutional law and logic. Consider, for example, Robert’s logic on the “mandate.” In saving the “mandate,” Roberts essentially defined it as not a mandate. You are not really required to purchase insurance, he noted; instead, you may choose not to purchase insurance and instead pay a minor tax. As we know, taxing is just a way to collect revenues, a contribution to the common, aggregate costs of public programs. In this case, the program is paying for many people’s health care through a system of risk/cost sharing.
But if the so-called mandate is not really a mandate but rather an option that can be avoided by paying a tax, and if a legitimate purpose of this tax, as government and amicus briefs argued, is to help cover aggregate costs across a pool of many insured and uninsured people, then what does that do to Robert’s argument about the Commerce Clause? When arguing about the Commerce Clause, Roberts insists it’s a requirement to purchase a “product,” which forces you to take an action, and thus to engage in commerce when you would not otherwise have done that. Regulating “inaction” is not permissible, Roberts argues.
But if, as Roberts concludes, the “mandate” is not a mandate, and the tax’s purpose is to help cover pooled costs, and not to buy a “product,” then there is no “mandate” to purchase a “product.” So no one is forced to engage in commerce as Roberts framed it. Indeed the “commerce” is already there in the risk sharing system across millions of people, all engaged in commerce by paying premiums into a pooled risk scheme. Robert’s entire premise for striking down the Commerce Clause rationale is thus contradicted by his argument about how it’s permissible for Congress to enact a tax to support funding of collective health care costs. That’s what the tax does; but it’s also what paying insurance premiums does.
Roberts’ reasoning on Medicaid is equally illogical. His premise is that Congress cannot expand an existing program administered by states that depends on shared state/federal funding by conditioning funding for the whole program on the states actually implementing the expansion. As Brad DeLong observes, if Congress were just now creating a fully expanded Medicaid, to be implemented by states but mostly paid for by the feds, there would be no question that Congress could condition federal funding on the states actually carrying out the programs. But if the program already exists for half the needy population, Congress cannot complete the program for the other half and use the same leverage to achieve the same degree of state cooperation.
This isn’t an academic discussion. CBO estimates that about 16-17 million currently uninsured Americans will become eligible for the expanded Medicaid — it will be the only health coverage they have other than emergency charity — but only if the states actually implement the expansion and make an effort to get those eligible to sign up.
Texas and Florida, among others, are notorious for failing to implement even the current Medicaid programs at the desired levels. You have to be totally impoverished to qualify. The ACA provides 100% federal funding for the expansion in the initial years and at least 90% thereafter. But that likely won’t be enough to entice those states notorious for cheating their own citizens and unwilling to raise the revenues to cover even the small share of state costs at current inadequate levels.
By embracing the arguments of the stingiest, most recalcitrant states, Roberts’ decision may encourage many states to turn down the federal expansion. After all, 26 states joined in the suit to overturn the Medicaid provision, because they didn’t want to implement it, even if mostly federally funded. Now the Chief Justice has told them that they don’t have to comply and can ignore the critical health needs of millions of their citizens, even though Congress is willing to pay almost all the costs, and the money for covering them was already promised. It’s truly shameful.
More. A much more positive view from Paul Krugman.




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Typo:
Should be “qualify”
Thanks. Also, here is Krugman with a much more positive view. I agree with much of it, even though I tend to be the glass half empty guy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/opinion/the-real-winners.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Obviously the Republican leaning court wanted to see the Republican mandate survive, but why was it Roberts who broke lockstep? Was Kennedy’s public persona too fragile to take a big hit? Oh, to be a fly on the wall.
It has long been clear that Roberts is the corporate tool on the Court. Kennedy is the self-styled moderate, often clueless, but at least he’s his own man.
I firmly believe that this was all arranged behind closed doors such that Roberts would take the hit to deliver the outcome the corporate oligarchy wanted.
Even so, reading Ezra Klein praise Roberts for being such a great statesman is almost too much to bear.
Yeah, I don’t get the admiration part.
All Roberts did was throw the issue to the gen election in Nov. Only the constitutionality of the ACA was ruled on, not the issue of good or bad policy. That was and is left to elected officials. Let them fight it out. That fight does not belong in the Supreme Court.
I have to disagree. What the Court said is that the government cannot take away what they already agreed to give to promote a policy they now want. How would you feel if the Republicans decided to block all government funding if a state didn’t adopt a anti-abortion statute?
There are enough incentives to expand medicad. The government is providing geneous funding. We know Republicans do not give a crap about the poor, but they do care about hospitals and insurance companies. Both want this badly because the uninsured show up on their door step and they have to figure out a way to treat them and pay for that treatment. Republicans would like to let them die in the street, but they can figure out how to wordsmith that policy, at least not yet.
We will have to see whether the incentives and private interests are enough to overcome the ideological opposition of the GOP officials who have vowed to defeat this. I expect a big push now to reject in states led by GOP. But I hope you are right.
I don’t think your analogy is apt. The blackmail is unrelated to the threatened program, I don’t see anything wrong with saying Texas needs to provide coverage for all who should be eligible or they lose funding.
On the other hand, this is a lousy model. If the Feds want more people covered by govt sponsored insurance, then fold them into Medicare. Wasn’t the federall state model adopted to mollify the GOP? I’m not sure how that started. If the idea was the states could do a better job of administering, fine, but they have to believe in the purpose and not try to minimize it, as some states have done.
Yes, I was going to say in the post that keeping the “mandate” etc alive, the decision reenergizes the right. Combine that with Citizens United and Karl Rove, and we may have the most mendacious flood of commercials ever. A cynical view is that Roberts understood this and remembered how the teaGOP used the ACA to decimate Dems in 2010. This is a chance to do it again . . .and you heard that in Romney’s reaction yesterday. But who knows what motivated him?
I left this out because the post was already twice accepted length and not an easy read as is.
The Republican mandate that not one Republican voted for. They are so crafty.
“I firmly believe that this was all arranged behind closed doors such that Roberts would take the hit to deliver the outcome the corporate oligarchy wanted.”
Exactly. He voted in support of his constituents: big pharma, insurance, and healthcare corporations. Done deal.
Yes and no:
What conservatives wanted was for CJ Roberts to say that Congress was entitled to pass all the taxes it liked, but that it hadn’t happened to do so in this case. Congress should have been free to go back to the drawing board and pass a new Obamacare bill that honestly acknowledged its intention to tax. Three liberal Justices, plus the CJ, instead ruled that Congress should not be put to this inconvenience, because in the meantime (largely as a result of revulsion over Obamatax) the Dems have lost their majority.
One of the problems with Roberts’ reasoning here is that the revenues from the so-called tax do not go toward covering pooled costs–they go into general revenue. Not only did Congress specifically state in the Act that the penalty was not a “tax”, there is an absence of any required revenue-generating purpose. This was a classic case of Roberts, and those “liberal” judges who agreed with him on the “tax” aspect, legislating from the bench. As I understand it, one of the guidelines the SC uses in determining the constitutionality of laws is the intent of Congress in passing those laws. The intent of Congress was quite clear in this case–the penalty was not to be considered a tax. Additionally, as others have mentioned, the Act was conceived in the Senate, whereas tax laws are supposed to originate in the House. Even for a non-lawyer, this whole decision appears to be political rather than legal.
Interesting. I suspect you’re right, since insurers won’t really have captives.
The IRS can’t throw you in jail, because the health reform law explicitly states (on Page 336): “In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.”
Repubs really are the 11th dimensional chess masters, aren’t they? Sell an idea that benefits their corporate masters, and when a Dem proposes the exact same idea 20 years later, pretend to be all against it for political and ideological reasons- keeping their tea- party base as happy as can be. The Dems get pasted for such an unpopular POS corporate friendly bill -and they keep their hands clean throughout the process. For the Dems that pass this utter travesty, it doesn’t really matter if they get kicked out of office because they’ll soon have great jobs and income streams once they do the K-street shuffle.
We the people have literally no representation in government.
You might to check on where the bill originated. What the Senate often does is take another House bill, strip out it’s contents, and insert theirs. It’s hard for me to believe the bill opponents would ignore this if the argument had merit, but . . .
This is a different argument than the one made in the link.
On insurance stocks, it’s possible the market wrongly anticipated striking done the mandate and related insurance restrictions, including the 80% rule on benefits. The insurers hate that. But it survived, which means much closer scrutiny of premiums.
Remember, the ACA provides for rebates from insurers who exceed their allowed admin costs and fail to meet that percentage. A multibillion dollar refund is set to go out next month. The insurers hoped to stop that, via limited strike down decision that took out that provision, but left the subsidies.
Scarecrow, I think you hit a real point with your statement that insurance is deemed to be a “product”. I have written often that calling finance paper “products” is silly. Corn and Corn Pops are products. Credit default swaps aren’t any more products than blessings from a Shaman. They are paper promises about the management of money and nothing else.
In the same way, insurance isn’t a product. It is a formal way to share risk across large populations. That is what made the Solicitor General’s argument work. Everyone is going to need health care at some point. The question is how will they finance it. One way is to do nothing, then when you need it, you get it but you don’t pay, either by filing bankruptcy or by dodging collection. One way is to save up a bunch of money so you can pay whatever the cost might be, which isn’t feasible for most people, and heaven help you if you get sick before you accumulate the money. One way is insurance.
The government is saying that you can’t do the first anymore, you can’t duck out on the bill. You either buy insurance and spread the risk that way, or pay the penalty.
Barnett is arguing that you have to buy broccoli. That’s silly. You have choices. They aren’t great, but they exist.
Oddly, that is sort of what Roberts is saying in his muddled decision.
What you suggest is entirely possible in this case. I, personally, don’t recall reading that the Senate was marking up a bill from the House, but anything’s possible. However, the other arguments against the penalty being designed as a tax remain.
Great, comprehensive article, BTW.
Money is fungible. The government needs revenues to pay for the Medicaid expansion and other health care obligations. The fact that it is not earmarked is irrelevant.
I completely agree with your analysis. It appears to me that Roberts just decided to rewrite the law. Congress passed it as a penalty and the only one who has the authority to rewrite it as a tax is Congress. Roberts has no authority to rewrite the law but that is exactly what he did.
Roberts is a fascist. No surprise that he sided for the corporate fat cats. Mandate to pay for-profit corporations is not a tax. Here again corporation is expended. First he expended corporation to have person-hood and now he says they are the same as government. Totally insane!
And it is Obama’s fault for being so weak to not even allow public funded universal health care (medicare for all) a seat at the table.
Remember, Congress does not have to call a penalty a tax in order to have the authority to implement the penalty under it’s taxing authority. That’s what Roberts was saying.
Great post, Scarecrow, but there is nothing incoherent about what Roberts did, if you take his goals into consideration.
Your analysis fails on the point that the Republicans of 20 years ago are not the same ones around today for the most part. And neither are the Democrats. The second point is that the political attitudes of business CEOs were also different 20 years ago.
The Republican Party since the Civil War has always been corporatist. The Democrats over their history have never been anti-corporatist except for Andrew Jackson himself. Beginning in the 1930s, the Democrats sought to co-opt the Socialist Party because it was growing large enough to be a threat. The Cold War provided the opportunity to repress everything to the left of the current Democratic Party, and both Democrats (Truman’s loyalty oath) and Republicans (Nixon and McCarthy) participated in that.
Modern conservatism in the 1960s was terrified of the reappearance of the Left in response to the Civil Rights movement and the election of the liberal John F. Kennedy, and especially terrified when Lyndon Johnson turned out to be a New Deal Southerner. Each step of their way to power, they sought to capture and transform institutions so as too make their changes permanent. First they had to seize the Republican Party from the coalition that put Eisenhower in office. When Strom Thurmond’s Southern Strategy was adopted by Nixon, Southerners became a key force in the growth of the party and created a base from which to criticize and primary non-Southern liberal and moderate Republicans. Reagan’s presidency institutionalized the dominance of the modern conservatives in the Republican Party and set up a series of judicial appointment that packed the lower-level federal courts with conservatives capable of advancement to Appeals Courts and the Supreme Court. And Republicans appointed judges at younger ages to maximize the term of their service.
With the dominance of Jesse “Senator No” Helms using his ability to hold appointments in the 1980s, they chipped away at the executive and civil service. And then the bomb-throwing Newt Gingrich became speaker and 1994 and the movement conservatives controlled the seniority system of the committees in the House, rearranging that power and shoving out more moderate Republicans. And every election moderates were primaried out. (Thanks to the ever-spreading monopoly of Rush-talk radio in rural areas).
With the coup of 2000 and 2002, Republicans rushed to institutionalize their power to make them harder to dislodge.
The left dislikes institutions, even ones it controls. It prefers movemental politics. As a consequence transformations, even those of labor or the civil rights movement, are never institutionalized deep enough not to be easily dislodged. So the left is constantly fighting defensive battles as it seeks also to make progress.
Where we are now is in need of strong movemental politics similar to that of a century ago that can take down institutions like K Street.
Unfortunately, the left is full of a lot of sitz-socialists who love to tell you why change cannot happen instead of putting their shoulder to the wheel.
In as scheme of head rhetoric, heart rhetoric, inside game, outside game, what you see of the Left in America is head rhetoric and nothing else. The Left even hates the Occupy movement, the most movemental action in fifty years.
I think stevo67′s analysis survives in spite of the truth of what you wrote. But YMMV.
One hint that Roberts’s opinion wasn’t the second coming of West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish is the relative calmness of Justice Scalia’s dissent. Had Roberts truly taken the “liberal” position, Scalia would have downed four bottles of Montepulciano; gotten behind the wheel; attracted the attention of a cop desperately trying to make his June arrest quota; gotten Tasered after asking the cop, “do you know who I am?,” in slurred Church Latin; flown into a blubbering rage at the police station, with the audio going viral; and made his one phone call from jail to Ginny Thomas, who spontaneously combusted after releasing a statement blaming Obama for the entire incident.
Are we sure that some lesser version of all that hasn’t happened?
ALL decisions by the Supreme Court are political rather than legal. That’s why you do not need to be a lawyer, judge or even know anything about the law and you can be appointed a SC judge – for life!
Cushy job, wish I had it – except I wouldn’t sell my soul to be politically appointed.
Repubs really are the 11th dimensional chess masters, aren’t they? Sell an idea that benefits their corporate masters, and when a Dem proposes the exact same idea 20 years later, pretend to be all against it for political and ideological reasons- keeping their tea- party base as happy as can be.
Republicans think big and play a long game. Democrats can’t think beyond the next election cycle. Guess which party has greater success pushing its agenda.
More than 30 years ago, the right wing decided it was going to take over the judicial branch. It created the Federalist Society, which in turn created a farm system for right-wing lawyers that Branch Rickey would have envied. Roberts and Alito are products of that system.
What do the Democrats have to counter this? Zilch. Which is why dial tones like Stephen Breyer wind up on the Court.
That reasoning doesn’t fly. As was stated in the dissent:
The Government contends, however, as expressed in the caption to Part II of its brief, that “THE MINIMUM COVERAGE PROVISION IS INDEPENDENTLY AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS’S TAXING POWER.” Petitioners’ Minimum Coverage Brief 52. The phrase “independently authorized” suggests the existence of a creature never hitherto seen in the United States Reports: A penalty for constitutional purposes that is also a tax for constitutional purposes. In all our cases the two are mutually exclusive. The provision challenged under the Constitution is either a penalty or else a tax. Of course in many cases what was a regulatory mandate enforced by a penalty could have been imposed as a tax upon permissible action; or what was im- posed as a tax upon permissible action could have been a regulatory mandate enforced by a penalty. But we know of no case, and the Government cites none, in which the imposition was, for constitutional purposes, both.5 The two are mutually exclusive. Thus, what the Government’s caption should have read was “ALTERNATIVELY, THE MINIMUM COVERAGE PROVISION IS NOT A MANDATE-WITH-PENALTY BUT A TAX.” It is important to bear this in mind in evaluating the tax argument of the Government and of those who support it: The issue is not whether Congress had the power to frame the minimum-coverage provision as a tax, but whether it did so.
And the nail in the coffin is that the mandate and penalty are located in Title I of the Act, its operative core, rather than where a tax would be found—in Title IX, containing the Act’s “Revenue Provisions.” In sum, “the terms of [the] act rende[r] it unavoidable,” Parsons v. Bedford, 3 Pet. 433, 448 (1830), that Congress imposed a regulatory penalty, not a tax.
For all these reasons, to say that the Individual Mandate merely imposes a tax is not to interpret the statute but to rewrite it. Judicial tax-writing is particularly troubling. Taxes have never been popular, see, e.g., Stamp Actof 1765, and in part for that reason, the Constitution requires tax increases to originate in the House of Representatives.
Win! /s
Lumping a variety of items under an all encompassing word like “product” or “talent” (in the case of the creative professions) is the way to trivialize that which is under scrutiny. In that way, the outcome of a scientific experiment like the search for the Higgs Bosun can be considered a “product’ and the people doing it the “talent”. Nameless faces, vague outcomes all lumped together under a couple of words.
Reductio ad absurdum. It generates the path to the “reasoning” used to arrive at the conclusions pushing this decision.
No, declaring it unconstitutional, unless it was rewritten, would be rewriting the law. There are two conflicting opinions here. The dissent can’t be taken as THE official explanation.
If I understand you correctly, Roberts should have struck down the law because Congress didn’t write it correctly?
My point was that those who are not around were the leaders who were driving GOP policy until the Newt revolution. They are gone because a movement unseated them and institutionalized their gains. They had the overwhelming votes in their movement to do that. Democrats aren’t a movement and don’t have a movemental politics arm, despite the efforts of Obama and Van Jones. And won’t become movemental in my lifetime it seems. The Left is movemental but has not captured institutions to solidify their gains and shows no interest in ever capturing institutions. That not eleventy-dimension chess is the difference.
Short version: Democrats do not have the incentives to do what Republicans do because they actively try to avoid movemental politics. Why do they actively try to avoid movemental politics? Any movement that would align with the Democratic Party is too small to matter electorally except in isolated places.
I thought the same thing about the dissent. The lack of vituperation supports the possibility that it was originally drafted as a majority decision.
However, in important cases like this one, the Chief Justice if he is in the majority, or the senior judge in the majority, assigns the writing of the opinion. If Roberts had been in the majority, I can’t imagine he would pass on writing it himself.
“Yes and no.”
How about yes and yes?
24 hours later, Wellpoint is up .11
United Health is up 1.28
Cigna is up 1.86…
Humana is up, too…
And if you ilke, feel free to post what they are tomorrow, and we can talk about that. :o)
The notion that the SCOTUS decision yesterday is long-term bad for the Health Insurance pirates, is, unspinnably, nonsense.
Sorry but your statement makes no sense. What official statement? All I posted was the reasoning of the dissent, which I happen to agree with. Maybe you should read the dissent and why they find Robert’s argument illogical? Just like the said: “The issue is not whether Congress had the power to frame the minimum-coverage provision as a tax, but whether it did so.” And Congress never did not frame it as a tax, neither in words or actions.
Or maybe Roberts said, we’ll get ‘em next time, Tony and Sammy. Tell Clarence.
That’s a good read of the dissent. They hide the ball, though, by dealing with IRC sect. 6671 in footnote 6:
Section 6671 says that a penalty is a tax for purposes of the Internal Revenue Code. Scalia deals with it only in the context of the Anti Injunction Act, not in the context of the statutory intent, as Roberts does in the majority opinion.
No, that’s not the issue. But YMMV
Hey, Roberts is only calling “balls & strikes” as he said he would in his confirmation hearings.
Constitutional law no longer exists: Corporations win against individuals and the state; the state wins against individuals. The Court”s reasoning, to reach this pre-determined outcome, is as rational as a random selection of words from the dictionary.
The premise behind the healthcare debate is that the “free market” produces better and less costly healthcare outcomes. But, healthcare outcomes and costs for socialized healthcare, in every other advanced country, for the last half-century, demonstrate that this premise is false.
Obama and the Democrats could define the healthcare issue as a failure of “free markets.” The Dems could scrap Obama/Romney Care and then give the insurance industry another two years to demonstrate superior results, costs and health outcomes, compared to the best of the socialized healthcare systems among advanced countries. At the end of this two year “free market” trial, if the insurance industry produces a better product, great! But if the insurance industry continues to hock a product that cost twice what it should and produces lesser health outcomes then Medicare for All replaces the insurance industry.
If the Dems had laid down this “free market” challenge in the spring of 2009, everyone in America would have healthcare now at a cost half that which the “free market” currently exploits from the country. The country could use this savings to reduce deficits, make education affordable and implement a non-fossil fuel based energy system.
If a “free market” in healthcare actually exists, wouldn’t we all be purchasing France’s healthcare? It is half the cost and produces better health outcomes. This is no different than a decision to purchase a Toyota rather than a GMC product.
We are also told that the US must privatize it’s public education system in order to obtain the superior outcomes achieved by other advanced countries. But, no other advanced country in the world has privatized their public educational system – they are all public schools.
Thank you for your analysis of the inconsistencies in Roberts’ two SC mandate decisions, Scarecrow. Minds sharper than mine will discuss it – I see the trend as purely a political one with of course ramifications for Wall Street, which we all know must survive. At least for another week of gambl…oops, trading.
I would like to return to this part of your analysis:
” So while rabid ObamaCare haters were initially joking (or serious?) about moving to Canada to escape the traitor, John Roberts’ betrayal and the destruction of liberty in America, even if that meant they’d now have to pay taxes to support a single-payer system…”
I guess Margaret Flowers and Russell Mokhiber would be among the rabid? Probably myself as well, though I’m expecting that deportation to New Zealand coming from a government near you any time. Though maybe the way things are going, it will be the Antarctic supermax colony instead.
Please don’t joke about inconsistency where there is none. Of course there will be a tax across the board if and when single payer becomes government policy also across the board as it should have many years ago. That’s the basis of Social Security and we all love Social Security – except for those who don’t and won’t ever need it (they think). And we all hope that government will be around longer than corporations which feed upon one another with a rapacity that is truly staggering. In spite of our elected officials doing everything they can to foster the opposite – no government, only corporations. Just think how fair and just that situation is going to be, all enablers who don’t see the writing on the wall.
We rabid single payer fans do not rally against taxes per se; it is only the corporatists who do that. We rally against unfair taxation, taxation without representation, and deviously Roberts has poked his finger in the eye of his ‘liberal’ cohorts by telling them – okay, THIS is a tax for you who want this package, and it is a tax on people who cannot afford to pay. We rally for government, not for insurance companies, because we know a just government would put them out of business for good.
If that new “tax” is not unfairly punitive I don’t know what is. The poor and low-income will get taxed to pay for the rich folks’ organ transplants and innovative gene manipulation and in vitro fertilization – the IRS may not throw you in jail but you’ll be a debtor for as long as you live. Forget Social Security; they’ll dock that for what you owe and you’ll still be in debt forever. But never mind, education costs and having no home have already done you in, haven’t they? And whee, there goes the stock market for everyone with a horse in the race. What’s not to like?
Forgive me, I guess that ‘rabid’ got to me. I mean no harm.
“..such that Roberts would take the hit to deliver the outcome that the corporate oligarchy wanted…”
I think that’s probably right. Conservative names-in-a-hat type-thing, with knowledge and acquiescence from the “liberals” on the court.
But, what the corporate oligarchy wanted, I believe, is not just the further empowering of the HMO’s, but also, they wanted to avoid any further political neutering of Barack Obama. I’m not at all sure that the power-elites in the GOP want Obama out of office, and Romney in. I think that at this point they’ve got the best of all political worlds:
A democrat who has already mounted a brilliant salvage operation on the republican party after Bush and Co. dragged it into the shithouse, and a president who clearly hasn’t the will (and now, none of the tools) needed to go after the corporate takeover of the country.
I think that a lot of smart republicans are leary of Romney because they’re afraid that he might just push things over the edge and trigger an FDR-style backlash. I think they’re right to fear that, but I also think that Barack Obama can’t avoid the same edge, if he wanted to. He’s lost so much clout and support that all he can be is a care-taker lame duck, and if the economic (and foreign policy?) shit hits the fan, whomever is in office is going to have to take the responsibility for it. From a GOP point of view, better Obama, than Romney, and to that end, they need to carry he and his “centrist” policy.
But if I were a republican, I could live with either one of them. The differences are mainly, in that letter—R or D, behind their respective names.
So long as one holds a credit card with revolving credit, one is a life long debtor.
I just had to laugh at that. You’re grading “on the curve”, right???
At least you’ve got the trend right.
LOL.
Awesome.
No, Guy, I really think they are.
If Romney in and comes in and goes all Randian, it will kill the goose that keeps laying the corporate eggs. :o)
Put it like this: The 99% are jacked to the wall, economically speaking, and unemployment numbers be damned, for most of us, the increase in corporate entitlements to our well-being, in the form of monthly bills, or episodic medical expenses, or food costs, or auto insurance, or home insurance, etc., are at the point that we simply can’t pay them. Forget saving money for our kids’ education, or for a vacation away from home, or for buying a new car, without having $300-a-month payments for years on end:
that is all getting harder to do, practically every month.
The continued ratcheting up of it will put us very close to 1929, and 1929 was the incubator from which FDR and the New Deal were hatched. I don’t think that the movers and shakers in the GOP want that.
I think the fatcats are maxed out on how much they can bleed us. Any more and the blowback will become a real danger. Romney could wreck everything. Obama is the better candidate to try to string it out, and protect the corporate status-quo…although, I think that if he’s re-elected, he’ll have to preside over something similar, by the end of his term.
No real fix is possible the way things are going. It’s just a question of how fast the “correction” will occur.
Juliana –
O/T but as an ex-pat Kiwi you will undoubtedly be interested in a string of recent stories on NakedCapitalism.com about scandals in the New Zealand Registry of Corporations. Seems NZ radically “simplified” their banking laws a few years back and suddenly all the scam artists and mob money-laundering outfits are setting up as NZ shell corps. Don’t have the links but sure you can find it fairly easily on NC.
Amerikka is the host of crapitalism, which must be defended at all costs.
Thank you, compradors.
I think maybe Roberts had to switch because Kennedy either got cold feet or wouldn’t play his usual role.
We’re now officially a banana republic — without either bananas or trendy casual clothes.
Bingo! Oh no, don’t throw me into that briar patch! The Insurance Industry wins and the people lose, again.
“We’re now officially a banana republic”. Does that mean that we’re ruled by United Fruit and “Chiquita” Holder is their champion?
Hi Juliana. On a train, so just now saw this. I should have been clearer. Yesterday there was a string of tweets coming from right wing folks, who appeared to be serious about leaving the country, because they saw Roberts as a traitor, and fleeing to Canada, not realizing what they were heading to. They were not single payer advocate, by any stretch, and I wasn’t poking fun at single payer advocates. It was just snark, but apparently missed the mark. So, rabid haters did not mean single payer advocates.
It would seem that way.
Yes, but in 1929, the Democratic Party had actually spent some effort in pushing for positive change and was ready to take the opportunity when offered. It would be lovely if the “Dems” of today would revert to that form, but I can’t really see that happening.
More likely is that the coming crash will provide the excuse for imposing all-out fascism. “Shock Doctrine” at its best.
That won’t be your Daddy’s Fascism.
One huge difference between old fashioned Nazi type fascism and what’s coming for us is that Hitler was smart enough to use fascism to improve the lives of ordinary non-Jewish Germans, who were in a terrible state during the Depression. Of course, he did much of that improving by transfering the assets of the Jews to others, putting people to work in his own MIC, and later expropriating the natural resources of conquered nations.
The kind of fascism we’re going to see is the kind that grinds us under the heel of the elite the same way the people in Nazi-occupied country, esp. the Eastern nations, were.
I don’t even care about anything anymore. From now on I’m just decreasing my income and sucking free government benefits until this pig goes down.
Here on out I’m inactive, disengaged, and suckling at the government’s teat until the end. Growing vegetables, raising rabbits, and messing with my solar panel set up will be my primary activities.