Today is a consequential day in the future of high speed rail in America. The California State Senate will vote to approve initial funding for the state’s HSR project through a bond issue. The Assembly has already passed the funding, but observers expect a tougher road in the Senate. Governor Jerry Brown has been a strong supporter of the project, but he’ll have to convince 21 of the 25 Democrats in the Senate in order to get passage. State Republicans are all opposed in lockstep, and six Democrats have expressed reservations.
Senator Leland Yee, a Democrat from San Francisco, said the plan’s supporters have their work cut out winning him over, a sentiment other Democratic senators have shared with Reuters in recent days.
“Right now, my choice is not to support this particular arrangement,” Yee said [...]
It remained uncertain whether enough Democrats in the Senate would rally behind that plan, which does not account for the tens of billions of dollars needed to fully extend the rail system across the state.
“That is the elephant in the room,” said Democratic Senator Mark DeSaulnier, who is working on an alternate plan to present to his caucus.
If San Francisco’s Senator is opposed, you know you have an uphill battle.
This is crucial, because the federal Department of Transportation has made clear that they will revoke their $4.3 billion in federal funds for California’s HSR project, most of which came out of the stimulus package, if the state doesn’t approve funding today. This would undoubtedly stall the project, perhaps permanently. And California is probably the furthest along of any state on a high speed rail system. The demise of that tentpole project would be a huge blow.
The high speed rail project has been mired in controversy after a series of increased funding estimates and questions about ridership. The same people fighting against HSR have been the ones elevating the costs, in many cases, because of changes to the route necessitated by NIMBYism. State Republicans and budget scolds have engaged in an effective messaging campaign against the project, led by one-sided reports from the state legislative analyst, California’s version of the Congressional Budget Office. Other independent reviews have come to different results, showing it would cover its operational costs through ridership.
A recent set of changes to the plan involving the use of existing commuter track and other tweaks have reduced the cost back to about $68 billion. But the state has only confirmed funding for about $14 billion of that: around $10 billion in a voter-approved bond sale, the authorization of which is what the state Senate will vote on today, and that $4.3 billion in federal funds. If approved, the first batch of funding – $3.2 billion from that federal kitty, as well as $2.6 billion in bond funds – would go toward construction of the rail line in the Central Valley, as well as nearly $2 billion for improvements to existing track in San Francisco and Los Angeles to handle high speed rail cars.
Another factor in the vote could be an ill-timed Field Poll on the November ballot measures. Governor Brown placed a tax levy on the ballot that would bring in between $5-7 billion and stave off crippling budget cuts, particularly to public education. But the Field Poll indicates that support for the taxes, which has held steady at around 55%, would collapse if the legislature authorized the HSR bond sale:
The unpopularity of the multi-billion dollar project appears to be negatively affecting chances of voters endorsing the Governor’s tax increase proposal should the legislature authorize funds to the project. Nearly one in three likely voters, including one in five voters who currently support the Governor’s initiative, say they’d be less inclined to vote Yes if the legislature begins funding the rail project.
This seems like a silly question, the idea that a legislative vote in July would have that deep an impact on a ballot initiative in November. But it may be enough to spook enough Democrats in the Senate, which has its share of moderates.
If you believe that America should have first-class infrastructure, if you believe in the benefits to productivity and reducing carbon emissions and creating an environment for economic growth in the nation’s largest state, if you believe that times of economic struggle are actually perfect moments for infrastructure improvements, while labor costs are relatively low (consider the other great wonder of California, the Golden Gate Bridge, built during the Depression), then tomorrow is an enormous test of that proposition.




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A late conservative friend of mine never tired of pointing out that all the U.S. infrastructure was built when the economy was smaller, but now the U.S. can’t afford to maintain it.
Interesting that the northern terminus is SF and Sacramento.
There goes any near term possibility that it be a Pacific Coast HSR.
Having ridden the current tracks fro LA to SF and North, It’s apparent the geography would make a coastal HSR more expensive than the central valley route.
Amtrak takes all day to reach the central coast, a distance one can drive in 4 to 5 hours.
California has mountains coming to the sea in the Central Coast and in Northern California, unlike the east coast which has a broad plain between the Appalachians and the Atlantic.
There is much profit and glory in building. There is little in maintenance.
Can’t or won’t maintain the infrastructure? Strange how other counties seem to be able to maintain infrastructure.
How well I know! I live up here and have traveled extensively by both auto and rail.
Just a bit more effort, that’s all! You know the civil engineering slogan: The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer!
Oh wait: That was the Seebees in WWII.
I guess we don’t measure up no more!
…which is precisely why Portland City Council is debt swamping the public for unneeded projects to our water system while maintenance goes unheeded.
HSR is VERRRRRRY expensive. And the projects always come in at 200-300% OVER budget.
Hey, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
did you know that is what “E Pluribus Unum” means in latin.
Surely you are joking newcarguy!
and in this case will never get used. Business travelers will still pay to fly between SFO and LAX to save time and people that live in the central valley won’t be using rail to get into San Francisco or L.A. with the regularity to make this a worthwhile investment. Its a show piece and a lousy one at that.
You only have to take HSR once to be convinced its a better way to travel.
Funny because its usually cheaper and faster to fly NYC to Boston or NYC to DC then it is to take the Acela……
Not to mention in the case of this project there just aren’t the number of travelers or density to warrant it no matter how nice service might be.
Americans could care less about modern 21st Century transportation infrastructure. Most would be satisfied with “corduroy roads.” Europe and Asia are leading the way in transportation investments.
Been on HSR in Great Britain, France and Italy. It’s fantastic. Of course there it’s really high speed and not the 120 mph that passes for high speed in the States.
While I feel Americans, and especially the political class, have a can not do attitude, this project is a boondoggle, a bridge to nowhere. Sure it’d provide some construction jobs for a few years, but be a drag on our budget. The primary connection initially is from Sacramento to Bakersfield, not much ridership, and no there there. Expensive real estate and indirect routing make for an overpriced, under performing, underutilized rail system.
And it’s to be built first within the central valley? Who will ride?
That reminds me of the neglected bridge in Minneapolis which collapsed a few years ago. Why not commit to fixing all of them? There’d be plenty of construction jobs scattered all around the country.
Where are HSRs making money and why? Where not and why? I’m not certain Europe is a good template for expectations in the US though.
I understand the Boston – DC ACELA makes money (or maybe it’s just the NY – DC segment?)
Also the scaling back of the project by some of it using existing rail… What functionality is lost by doing so? Would it be better to bite the bullet and do the whole thing?
Taiwan, Republic of China, has a fabulous hi-speed rail. Build, Operate, Transfer model: private sector built it and started it up, then will hand it over to the Government to maintain, while the same investors get the right to build out the stations (hi rise flats, shopping malls, etc). It’s great. The US is way behind little Taiwan, fergawdssakes. (Taiwan also has universal healthcare yet remains an entrepreneurial tiger.)
No dude, We were discussing this the other night at Hooter’s.
My boss is Taiwanese. Work with about 20 of ‘em here. They never get sick. Us, not so much. Easy to make things work on a small scale especially when you live on an island and can control your borders.
Ten years Ten Trillion on infrastructure. A number and concept so easy that a politician could follow it. The wealthy have enough money to fund it. The construction industry has enough people to do the work and the US has enough need to warrant it.
Right on all counts. The original LA to SF coastal route was the right idea, but backers caved in the face of resistance from influential (read: rich) types, esp. in Santa Barbara.
Building this boondoggle would be worse than building nothing. If built it will need constant subsidies, money taken from other more worthy areas like education, road maintenance, social welfare, etc.
And the worst thing is, if the Dems ram this through, the GOP will hang the resulting fiasco around the Dem’s necks for a couple of decades. Not that I’m a fan of the corrupt Dem party, but for those of you who think it still has some value at the state or local level, take my word for it: the results will be ugly and counterproductive. And it will end HSR on viable routes in CA for a generation, if not longer.
This country will be a great place to be if you want to go back to get to the future. All we have to do is retrace our steps. We’ve been there before, and even not so long ago. We will soon be driving on the roads of Henry Ford’s time, full of mud puddles, back to the beginning of auto era. I guess the horse and bullocks is not far behind. The problem is that we always find the money and the will to fight another war, but there is never any money for a normal civilized life, which I use to think was our in future. Granted that our infrastructure is expensive to maintain, but this has not only got to do with the amount of infrastructure, but also its initial quality. Our highways are cheaply built, so they also fall apart quickly. We have a corrupt system. And we organized our lives around the roads and car, so that is why it is difficult to construct a railroad that makes sense. Maybe what we need is to make roads too expensive to drive on, so that people begin to behave in a way that makes sense, which is maybe to live near railways, so that commuting using the HSR is cheaper than using highways. But trust me, once you’ve been on a high speed rail anywhere, why would anyone want to drive? All you need is more expensive gas and bad and expensive road for HSR to make sense.
You forget the time waiting for your luggage at airports. Or to be allowed to leave the plane. With Acela and with other trains, you’re on and off the train in less than an hour total.
And you obviously ignored David Dayen’s link to this study:
http://www.cahsrblog.com/2011/09/independent-peer-review-says-hsr-ridership-numbers-are-sound/
The capital-drenched idea that something must always turn a profit to be worth having is ridiculous. We don’t expect that of our roads — they’re a public good, without which this country literally would not exist; that’s why the embryonic Federal government got involved in road building as soon as it could afford to do so.
The business traveler which is the target of rail projects like this isn’t checking bags at the airport. Its a trip down for a day which may or may not have a single night stay. Regardless They aren’t checking bags. Its still significantly cheaper, faster and more reliable for these people to fly. With airport headaches and all.
But the difference between highways and HSR is that highway don’t need a subsidy, sometimes mammoth, from Day One. Sure, highways need upkeep, esp. as the get older. But there are no trains to service, no train personnel, etc. The idea that we are going to build this boondoggle, this catastrophe in the making, knowing full well that it not only won’t make a profit, but will be a perpetual white elephant sucking money from more worthwhile government activities is just sick.
I suppose you’re correct about that.
But then there are other measuring sticks to consider — subsidy per ticket to entice ridership might be a permanent feature, and that money won’t be spent elsewhere. It might also be building an HSR in order to built an HSR, too.