The House Agriculture Committee leadership released their version of the farm bill late yesterday, and the main difference from the version that passed the Senate concerns food stamps:
The legislative draft envisions reducing current food stamp spending projections by $1.6 billion a year, four times the amount of cuts incorporated in the five-year, half-trillion-dollar farm bill passed by the Senate last month.
Food stamps, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, look to be the most contentious issue when the Agriculture Committee begins voting on the bill Wednesday and when the full House begins debating it in the future.
Conservatives in the Republican-led House are certain to demand greater cuts in the food stamps program, which makes up about 80 percent of the nearly $100 billion a year in spending under the farm bill. Senate Democrats are equally certain to resist more cuts in a program that now helps feed 46 million people, 1 out of every 7 Americans.
The $16 billion in cuts over 10 years are far less than what some conservative members of the committee want, as David Rogers explained this week. And that’s already to the right of the $4.5 billion in food stamp cuts in the Senate-passed bill. So cuts are coming to the food stamp program, it’s only a question of how much. The major things that the House conservatives want to do with food stamps are the repeal of “categorical eligibility,” where participation in one welfare program provides eligibility for food stamps, and raising the “asset test” for food stamp eligibility from $2,000 to $5,000 with an exclusion for a vehicle, which is the asset test in Texas.
That this fight on food stamps is happening in parallel with a fight among conservative states on Medicaid should not be seen as an anomaly. Ed Kilgore points out that the resistance to expanding Medicaid cannot be explained by charts and graphs, something wonks on the left have yet to figure out:
But more importantly, we have to remember that this is an ideological and even a moral issue to conservatives, who view dependence on any form of public assistance as eroding the “moral fiber” of the poor (as Paul Ryan likes to put it), and as corrupting the country through empowerment of big government as a redistributor of wealth from virtuous taxpayers to parasites who will perpetually vote themselves more of other people’s money. This line of “reasoning,” of course, would justify the abolition of Medicaid, not just a failure to expand it, but conservatives are careful (and smart) to disguise that ultimate goal and simply suggest we have reached some sort of welfare-state tipping point beyond which we become Greece.
And this is the exact motivation for scaling back the food stamp program. You see it when Newt Gingrich calls Barack Obama “the food stamp President,” or when Allen West says that a nation of slaves is being created. Republicans really believe, or want to believe, that spending money on a safety net for the poor generates a dependency on government, which stifles entrepreneurship and creativity and leads to this parasitical relationship. I would go with “want to believe,” since this analysis allows them to argue without moral compunction for defunding the poor and saving the rich from having to pay.
The only way to fight this moral argument (perhaps morally twisted argument) is with a moral argument from the other side, showing the pain that will be created from locking the poor in a limbo state without health insurance, or unable to provide for their families without assistance. Unless Democrats call out the cruelty of leaving the poor without help or hope, that explains the responsibility we have toward one another, that argues for why we have to treat this community as we would our family and friends, they’re going to run into the brick wall of this carefully constructed conservative ideology.





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It’s amazing that something called “Farm Bill” can be used to take food away from hungry people. I thought farms were about feeding people.
On another note, it is unsurprising to see yet again the American national government on the verge of attacking poor people economically. This country really is quite backwards and increasingly resembles a banana republic in some respects.
You are so right. Why do you think the “liberal wonks” don’t see it?
Wait, I know the answer…I had to get over it myself; the tendency to believe that simple facts — such as those illustrated in charts — will win the day with ideologues who are convinced, or pretend to be, that they have the moral high ground.
We’ve been afraid to argue the moral basis for these things, possibly because it seems so obvious, or that it has been so long established. But the RW is on a crusade to repeal all of the New Deal, including its assumptions, that government has a role to play in assistance to its citizens.
Our wonks and politicians better figure it out quick, or it will all be gone.
This is not the underlying cause:
That’s just a facade, as continuing funding for FEMA attests. I notice the politicians and wealthy are quick to avail themselves personally of Government help after a tornado, flood or hurricane.
It is a combination of the ever upward distribution of wealth (the money has to come from the pockets of the wealthy), and underlying racism and classism.
Reliance on the private sector alone to sustain the nation is doomed to failure. Clearly, the primary responsibility of a corporation is to generate profits to pay investors and CEOs whilst they hoard $$$ trillions instead of hiring people. Hope employers are not waiting for Romney to be president: once in he’d do an etch-a-sketch flip-flop on job creation. What does Romney know about creating jobs in America? Nothing. In China? A lot: he pioneered offshoring!
Boy oh boy, there’s nothing that will motivate those shiftless, lazy poor people like the wailing of their starving children.
Just what our lousy economy needs more Randian stimulus!
If a little austerity is good, a whole lot will probably get the country back on track pronto.
Just what we need to stop America’s obesity epidemic dead.
Oops, bad choice of words, you know I mean well.
And here I was hoping republicans would run out of bad ideas.
Americans have to eat (the rich).
Republicans and teabaggers will not be content until there are people literally dying and starving in the streets. They would seem to have a vision of utopia that would be familiar to Dickens.
“…a moral argument from the other side”
Moral arguments mean nothing to dictatorships by corporations and the elite. The American Revolution was not about “moral argument”, but ending subservience to a monarch by revolting.
Unfortunately, revolting is not passive aggression, but is the promotion of the fear of overthrow. We saw it in the frightening riots that opposed racial oppression and the bloody strikes of unions. The establishment feared the protestors, and was not able to ignore them.
Clearly the Republicans are wrong on this point. Many people, rich and poor alike have no entrepreneurship or creativity to stifle.
Someone sitting around waiting for their relief check isn’t going to jump up and start a business if the check doesn’t show up one day. Likewise there’s plenty of rich folk who live off their trust fund with no regard for entrepreneurship and creativity and dependency on government isn’t what’s holding them back.
Except that we don’t have a very big supply of bananas, and what we do have belongs to the 1%. We do have an AG who is known in Colombia as Eric “Chiquita Killer” Holder.
Dayen accurately describes the conservative moral opposition to food stamps, but fails to counter with a constructive solution.
If we liberals accept the conservative economic system, only differing by our willingness to toss the poor some crumbs, then we are doomed to fail. It’s the economic system that is the problem.
Economist Hyman Minsky predicted that LBJ’s “War on Poverty” would fail because popular support for a welfare state would not be sustainable. Minsky advocated a jobs program instead, particularly a Job Guarantee program, where anyone who wanted to work would be given a Federal minimum wage job, including health care (I would add that the minimum wage would need to be enough to live on if you want to eliminate food stamps).
http://www.slideshare.net/MitchGreen/war-on-poverty
Right as usual.
The dastardly, despicable peop;le who make up today’s republican party are consistent in one regard, they think being poor and being gay are both choices.
Being a dastardly, despicable, black-hearted bastard (TM), now THAT is a choice.
But why point the blame solely at Republicans? An awful lot of Democrats agree with this too. See, for example, Bill “the end of welfare as we know it” Clinton who bragged that “Most Democrats and Republicans wanted to pass welfare legislation shifting the emphasis from dependence to empowerment. Because I had already given 45 states waivers to institute their own reform plans, we had a good idea of what would work. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/22/opinion/22clinton.html
And guess who also thinks welfare reform was a signature success? “Obama’s latest [2008] ad, “Dignity,” says he “passed a law to move people from welfare to work, slashed the rolls by 80%.” Actually, the Illinois law was a required follow-up to the 1996 federal welfare reform law worked out by President Clinton and the Republican Congress. ”
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Barack_Obama_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm
In reality, of course, welfare reform has caused a huge increase in poverty. Not that either major party seems concerned about it.
“Since the beginning of the recession in late 2007, the nation’s unemployment rate has increased by 88 percent, while welfare caseloads have grown just 14 percent, according to the Urban Institute report.
“Experts say this disparity reflects the inadequacy of remaining welfare programs in the face of a veritable epidemic of joblessness. During a period of national distress, fewer and fewer people have been able to secure help to meet their basic needs, according to the report.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/23/welfare-reform-poverty_n_932490.html
I only refered to Republicans because I was commenting on DD’s second last para.
Yes, your links confirm that cutting off welfare from certain individuals will not transform them into productive members of society, just like giving certain individuals large cash windfalls will not.
http://www.businessinsider.com/10-lottery-winners-who-lost-it-all-2010-5?op=1
The Democratic Party hasn’t really existed since Clinton’s masquerade. With him, and his adoption by Poppy Bush, they officially became Corporatists and joined with the Republicans to prey on the 99% for the benefit of the 1%.
Everything that’s been done since W was elected is all about the same game, they couldn’t spell it out any plainer; “It’s called transferring the wealth from the poor to the rich”. While that sounds like an “oxymoron” it’s not.
The poor are in the multitudes, and while the very rich are in the very few; when they can extract money from the multitudes, it comes to an astronomical amount for them. Through the use and abuse of political power, they are using the commodity markets to extract money from the multitudes and put it into the accounts of the “politically connected” super wealthy who have been selected to participate in a “commodity market market manipulating consortium”. This is just another one of the many ways they are extracting money from the poor.
I have no idea why the commodity markets are viewed as a bunch of “speculators”. That’s ancient history. Although no one here ever looks at a commodity market chart, they could at least check the items on their grocery receipts. Every thing from lemons and limes to pork chops is constantly going up; it’s all “food” and food is about “corn”.
“You are not in Kansas any more, Dorothy”. You are in “Exploitationland”, this commodity chart tells me we crossed the border in 06, and we ain’t went back. Food and transportation, “gas”; took a gigantic jump in price after 06, and has continued it’s erratic behavior under the Obama Administration. He is either unaware of this or has given his tacit approval.
We are like frogs in a big big tub, and the temperature is constantly rising. Many frogs have succumbed, and there are many more to go. When the frog down the street or around the corner succumbs, you don’t even know he’s gone; but you are feeling more and more uncomfortable everyday. Although you’re getting the same paycheck, you can no longer afford to indulge in your favorite hobby, or go to a play. That’s because food and gas is taking more and more of your check every week. Look at the price of food and gas as “the thermostat” in this big tub.
There are commodity charts on this website which verify what I have written, and when you see them, you don’t have to know squat about commodities; you only have to know that food and gas are costing three times more than they have ever cost in the history of this country, and being an intelligent person; I’m sure you will want to know “Why”?
Although there are only three commodities on this website, you can add: orange juice, sugar, cotton, rough rice and a few more to the list of “price manipulated commodities”
Go to this website http://wp.me/p2vRlu-4
How much is the right amount to spend on food stamps? It seems to me we have 3 basic choices.
1) We totally eliminate the food stamps program.
2) We allow everyone who wants food stamps to have them.
3) We find a spot somewhere in between that provides food stamps for all who truly need help, of course this number will change over the years depending on how the economy performs.
It’s up to congress to decide how we setup a system that well work for everyone.
I actually know young rich people who are living off trust fund checks, and they don’t work, and they don’t create jobs for other people, other than by spending money on stuff they want.
It’s part of human nature, if you’re given things too easily, it’s easy to just accept it, and life just passes you by.
Right now these rich people I’m talking about could receive food stamps if they wanted to, because they could easily arrange to have zero income in any given year, but have millions in their bank account.
I think a good change would be to look at a persons total assets before allowing them to qualify for food stamps.
Next we need to go State by State, even city by city to determine the cost of living in each city, and then set the qualifying income at the right number for each city.
Then whatever the amount of people that qualify is the amount that need help. It shouldn’t matter if that number is higher or lower than current law.
Morality for thee and not for me – argument always trotted out by those wishing to punitively damage those who have the temerity to fall into poverty, even when that fall was arranged by the MOTUs.
Our poverty guidelines are based upon a formula that is over 40 years old and doesn’t take into account the cost of living in some cities/areas over others. Here in the Chicagoland area, the cost of rental housing is so far above what is deemed “affordable” in other less populated and less costly areas that our choices end up being forced roommate situations (which could mean 1 other person, but generally is more like up to 4-5 other people, none of whom you know or can choose for yourself) or the nicest church basement available on any given night. This lack of affordable housing increasingly targets former middle class families.
One defensive argument that I never see made whenever people of either party start trotting out their “opinions” is the morality of Christianity and other religions. I’m not very knowledgeable about other religions, but can anyone show me where in the Bible – whether it’s Old or New Testament – we are taught to kick people who are down and out instead of offering them a helping hand?
No. This will not phase them any more than a person dying due to a lack of health insurance would phase even a doctor under Hippocratic Oath who is part of their ilk.
They will only pay attention when some of those starving decide they are desperate enough to call off all laws of civilization. The tea bag clowns may come to rue the day they made it so easy to get a gun.
What would you do rather than watch your child die of starvation, while those who made it be are binging on steak and lobster?
Just how far will things go before it’s time for pitchforks and torches?
Perhaps these supposedly religious Republican conservatives should turn to their bibles:
See? Don’t say NUTHIN’ in the bible about giving nobody a hand out. How about a subprime mortgage instead?
I’ve been thinking about you every since I read your post. I know how important it is to have privacy and your own personal space. I wish I could offer some positive or constructive advice, but all I can come up with is “Keep a clear head and stay safe”.