The Senate already passed a farm bill that cut food stamps by around $4.5 billion. The House’s version is even more punitive, and House Democrats are upset that their leader on the Agriculture Committee let it go through without putting up much of a fight.
Liberal Democrats are fuming over $16 billion in cuts to food stamp programs included in the House farm bill set for a markup on Wednesday.
Rep. Collin Peterson (Minn.), the top Democrat on the House Agriculture Committee, agreed to the cuts as a pragmatic way of moving forward with legislation important to rural lawmakers.
In an interview with The Hill, he said much of the cuts would be restored in a conference with the Senate.
Yet the move has led to anger on the left, while raising questions over whether the farm bill can pass the House given opposition among Republican and Democratic lawmakers.
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (Conn.) issued a scathing statement after the bill’s release that called it immoral and inhumane.
“This bill increases subsidies to millionaires. This is a bill that robs the poor to pay the rich,” she told the Hill Friday. “This bill is an outrage.”
The cuts come mostly from making it harder for people to enroll, by eliminating something called “categorical eligibility,” which allows access to the food stamp program if recipients qualify for other low-income safety-net programs, even if their assets (like a car) fall a bit above the eligibility line. The bill would restrict “cat-el” to only those households which receive cash assistance. This would cut off between 2-3 million recipients of food stamps, and would drop about 280,000 children from the school lunch program.
It’s no surprise that Peterson agreed to this. The conservative Democrat routinely votes against the priorities of the mainstream. You can understand everything about his position when he said this to The Hill: “Some won’t vote for a farm bill if there is one dollar in cuts to food stamps.”
But Peterson wants the most important bill of any Agriculture Committee leader’s tenure to pass, and the cuts may push many liberals off the bill, which would make it difficult. Conservative Republicans who favor more cuts on the farm bill will also peel off, and if the majority of the Democratic Party mutinies, the bill could run aground. Members of the Agriculture Committee have a press event today to protest the cuts in the farm bill, and even moderate Joe Baca (D-CA) will attend. If the opposition is that broad, the bill could be in peril.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Minority Whip Steny Hoyer would not say how they would vote on the bill, though Pelosi’s spokesman gave a tepid endorsement of the concept of getting the bill to conference, where any cuts to food stamps would be restored. That seems like a dangerous game. But the current farm bill expires September 30, so there is at least a sense of urgency around this.




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Long ago I lost any belief that any of these people actually “fume.” They calculate and maneuver, though, as needed. Otherwise they couldn’t survive in that environment and would move on. Talking mannequins, the lot of them.
The theater is to get the constituents to fume. It’s a form of exploitation. That’s the point of these charades. I’d bet there are done deals already struck behind the screen.
I agee
Obama hates the Poor!
“But while OBAMA has focused on lowering health care costs at home, he has repeatedly sought to impose higher drug prices abroad. For pharmaceutical companies, that has meant steady profits, but for the global poor in desperate need of affordable drugs, those lofty prices are often a matter of life and death.
Nevertheless, members of the Obama administration continue to pursue policies around drug pricing that multiple United Nations groups, the World Health Organization, human rights lawyers and patient advocates worldwide decry. ”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/obamas-health-policy-global-health-reform_n_1659742.html
How do all these so call Liberal Dems feel about this?
It is hard for anyone, with any intelligence to believe that the current batch of Dems in DC care about the poor, when their leader OBAMA clearly hates the poor!
What has Obama done for the Poor?
Let us not forget, Obama is still working on his NAFTA type with ASIA. Obama wants to ship more USA jobs out of the country.
the Obamabots needs to tell us why is Romney worse than Obama? because both of them hate USA citizens
Liberal Democrats???!!! ROFLMAO.
Unlike Willy Sutton, stealing from the poor is the better bet because it is so easy. Stealing from banks is a lot harder.
My post was in general terms about the political world.
Regarding global health policy and Big Pharma, it’s a pretty complex mess. I don’t agree that Big Pharma, itself, should function as a direct conduit for foreign aid. In other words, they shouldn’t be allowed to tweak their pricing structure to discriminate against US patients in order to be able to underbid their competition overseas or simply donate there while charging more for medicines in the US.
However, if the US owes the world a global subsidy for medicines, so be it. But it has to be transparent. Such aid needs to come directly from the government to overseas recipient countries and organizations and accounted for as such.
I’m no expert in any of this but would point to the fierce opposition by Big Pharma over reimportation, since that threatens their fat profits in the US. It’s one symptom of a big problem — I suggest the entire Big Pharma operational structure stinks, and it needs to be substantially upended.
More than 84% of farm bill-related spending goes to food and nutrition programs like food stamps, not to farmers.
Do you have a link for the 84%? I have been of the impression that the vast majority of farm aid goes to corp agribusiness.
I agree with eCHAN, Alan. I would love to see a link that indicates that 84% of the Farm bill goes to food & nutrition programs. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I think most of that money goes to BigAg, like Monsanto, who are busily scurrying around poisoning our food supply.
And btw, there are fewer and fewer smaller “family farms” these days. They’ve been driven out of business by BigAg, which mostly needs NO subsidies or incentives at all to stay in business. Just saying…
Typical. “Let ‘em eat tax cuts.”
This phrase is ridiculous. Why does any democrat support or allow food stamp cuts? Why are only the ‘liberal’ democrats fighting this?
Even if alan’s right that only shows that the SNAP program should be addressed in a separate bill. It shouldn’t be tied to all the riders in the farm bill anyway.
“Let them eat dirt!”
Hungry people become sick people. Worried people become sick people. People who’ve been thrown out of their homes by bank frauds become sick people
Can’t quite figure out what they hope to accomplish here. If we get, say, a TB epidemic because FL’s Rick Scott is pushing “austerity” on the powerless, do the rich really think THEY will escape something like this?
Maybe they think covering themselves with all that germy money will protect them? They’re so crazy, maybe they DO think that.
Deadly Tuberculosis Outbreak In Florida Covered Up By GOP Governor Rick Scott
Not permitted! All the USA’s dirt is owned by Monsanto. You have to PAY to eat dirt now, doncha know???
Even the Romans knew they had to give bread to the “unwashed” not just entertainment of circuses.
Of course, that was BEFORE the Republic fell and Christainlty took over and plunged the Europe into centuries of The Dark Ages……nobody got free bread then
Agree with you, but I doubt that stat is correct, although I’m willing to see that I’m wrong, if that’s the case.
The Democratic party of my youth is the Republican party of my old age
Yep. In the Dark Ages teh poorz got to pay the RC church for “dispensations” so they wouldn’t go to hell. Neat. I think that’s what the 1%ers are trying to do now.
And the Republican Party of my youth is the Christo-Fascist Nutbar Crazed Party of my old age.
Not if you own the bank.
Remember, “Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world.”
Good points.
I think the rest goes to Archer Daniels Midland (ADM)
I understand in that regard the RC church has been replaced by Scientology.
Are you aware of this?
My first thought was planned obsolescence. IOW Monsanto has in waiting another CM corn to replace the one that’s failing.
For 1%ers, like many Hollywood types, Scientology is a great, uh, er, um “religion” (as fashioned by L Ron Hubbard in response to Philip K Dick’s smack-down that Hubbard couldn’t form a “religion” and make money from it. Boy did Hubbard prove Dick wrong!!!), but not so much for the peons. So yes: much like the RC “church.”
You mean dastardly, despicable, black-hearted Christo-Fascist Nutbar Crazed Party , the DDBCFNC party.
Agreed. Even if 99.9% of this particular bill goes to “food and nutrition programs”, it’s still not ok.
It’s not ok to “cut off between 2-3 million recipients of food stamps”, and “drop about 280,000 children from the school lunch program” at a time when factors that would present alternatives (jobs, wages, ability of communities to sustain food banks and other charities) aren’t available to make up for the loss.
And it’s not ok to cut off however many were cut off in the Senate version either.
I bow to you, NCG, and stand corrected!!!
Yeah but we don’t even get to kiss the ring
Soon to be replaced by Mormonism if Robme gets “Elected”
Maybe not the ring, but….
No, so thanks for that link & info. Utterly unsurprised.
Look, I had friends back in the 1970s who were journalists investigating the development of GMO crops. They were also working with scientists who were warning – back then – that GMO crops would FAIL, fail big-time, and that citizens of planet earth needed to do all we could to conserve natural seeds. Monsanto (and possibly others like ADM) were trying to get their mitts on all natural seeds and trying to patent them so that us serfs couldn’t use them even in our kitchen gardens.
Most citizens are utterly unaware of what’s been going on for decades. People think Bill Gates is some great philanthropic “savior” bc he’s working with Monsanto to improve “food” production allegedly to reduce world-wide “hunger.” Don’t believe it. Gates & Monsanto are out to make big buck$$$ for themselves and the devil take the hindmost.
Was this “planned obsolescence”?? Possibly, but my “take” (which is worthless) is that Monsanto thought it would be sustaining, but it’s not. So of course they are back to the drawing board to “design” more tasteless, nutrionless “fruits” and “veggies” that they’ll sell to us peons for as much money as possible… while also claiming as many tax subsidies, rebates, etc.
Who wants to?? They can kiss my “ring”!!!
I came across a story on one of my alternative sites a couple of weeks ago about the scary story of U.S. patenting “life”, which will starve billions around the world who are still subsistence farmers. I have some links which I saved but haven’t tracked it down yet. One of the links goes back to the 90s, so yes, concern about this has been around for a long time.
Monsanto has been running family farmers out of business bc Monsanto’s GMO seeds fly into family farm lands. The family farmers can do little to stop cross-pollination with the crops they’ve planted with seeds they either purchased or harvested from their crops.
Monsanto has won cases world-wide to drive family farmers out of business by suing them for “using” Monsanto’s seeds “illegally.” It’s insidious. Judges have definitely been bought in the USA to rule in the favor of Monsanto (quelle surprise – eh?). See the documentary “Food Inc” for more about this.
Farmers in India are committing suicide bc of being sued by Monsanto for “using” GMO seeds in their crops.
I’m sure Monsanto views the suicide of many serfs in India is a big fat old WIN for the 1%. No snark intended.
Alan’s largely correct. Out of the USDA’s 2011 budget ($152 billion) food stamps (SNAP) accounts for roughly half of that (c. $76 billion). Of course, we *are* in the midst of the worst depression since the Great one, so one would logically expect more people on the program.
The pie chart for USDA expenditures can be found here:
http://traffic.libsyn.com/animalcast/111109_TMN_usda-FY12budsum.pdf
There it says that some 74 % of the USDA’s budget is for “nutrition assistance”. Since food stamps (SNAP) only accounts for about half, I would suppose the other 25 % would be in nutritional education (? Which agency contributes to Meals On Wheels?).
I can say even say good things about agricultural subsidies, though perhaps not agribusiness. In my view we need to spend more on agricultural subsidies, at least to small farmers, not less. We need to do this to:
a) insure an oversupply of food. Food is too important to be left to the vagrancies of the so-called “free market”. I’ve even had a few libertarians admit to this point. If we overproduce food, that is not a bad thing; in many forms it is storable.
b) conversely, also pay to insure that land is not overused and exhausted. We don’t do enough of this, IMHO. Paying farmers to *not grow anything* on parcels of their land to allow it to recover is actually a GOOD thing, as the Dust Bowl should have taught us.
Just like our elites have forgotten all the lessons of the Great Depression, they’ve likewise suffer from amnesia about the Dust Bowl and the whole spectre of soil depletion and famine which has always lurked behind all derived civilizations.
-stewartm
Thank you for that info. I stand partially corrected.
I agree with the two major points you made in your comment. Unfortunately, as I indicated previously, smaller family farms, which would be the more sustainable way to ensure good seed production (which is almost as important as food production), are being driven out of business by BigAg. If BigAg was involved in more sustainable farming methods, that might be ok. But often BigAg is out to make a buck at the expense of the citizenry, and they’re certainly not that interested in creating an over supply of food for the consumption by the serf masses.
Agree also that it’s a good idea to subsidize farmers for having fallow fields as a measure against depleting the soil completely. Our soil worldwide is already pretty depleted. Agree it’s something that some citizens don’t “get” when they hear that farmers are being paid not to grow crops. Often the very good & valid reasons for this are left out of story. But of course, it’s also a great way to pit portions of the 99% against one another while the 1% picks our collective pockets.
Wholeheartedly agree. After all, they’re in essence accusing conservatives of murdering the poor and the sick (which is essentially true). Yet they don’t call them murderers, instead after their little “fuming” session is done they go out and “celebrate” with them and call them “my esteemed colleagues” or (as Obama has said “my Republican friends”).
Those “friends” of yours essentially murder some 40,000 Americans each and every year by denying them health care. Those the kind of people you want as “friends” and “colleagues”??
-stewartm
The idea is that agriculture produces food and if there is no demand, prices fall, so giving money to people so they can eat helps the bottom line of agricultural producers by providing customers who otherwise would not be able to purchase food.
The side effect was the cessation of the widespread burning of American cities which occurred in the 1960s. I am old enough to remember the burning of the American cities by their hungry and dispossessed residents. Those events of American history have vanished down the memory hole, but they did occur and did subside when food stamps were introduced.
Generating millions of hungry people, including children, is playing with fire.
AKA: Cue the Kabuki Show.
Whether “D” or “R” or whatever, absolutely NONE of these weasels gives a rat’s f*ck about anyone except themselves and maybe a few even richer 1%ers. The end.
yes, I remember that, too.
Sadly it may take something similar to occur to cause things to change and turn around.
I think that the 1% live in their gated & heavily fortified fortresses and probably think: Burn, Baby, Burn.
My guess is that they don’t give a shit bc they don’t believe it can affect them in any way if the serfs burn down stuff in inner cities. I suppose only time will tell. Are citizens so bludgeoned into passivity that even hunger won’t stir them?? Sometimes I wonder.
This. Breeding a hungry generation is breeding revolutionaries.
Ah, the freedom of … “nothing … to lose”.
Remember Kris, the sociopathic elite are “exceptional”.
NO laws, man-made (chortle) or natural EVER apply to THEM.
(Is that the sound of knitting needles … there, off in the “distance”?)
DW
Sorry I’m late providing the link. Been out. I just stumbled across this and have no idea where the “facts” come from. Don’t shoot the messenger.
I agree the facts are interesting (if true), for example:
Statistics can skew, for example I imagine that’s number of farms. You can probably fit 100 family farms in one agra monster.
Anyway, here’s the link.
http://www.farmpolicyfacts.org/index.php/real-facts/
But maybe the law of “unintended consequences” will rear its head, and give the masses some relief, if only the relief of the rage pressure valve loosening. Fire indeed: I was four during the Detroit riots of ’67, my older siblings have memories of tanks in the streets.
Thanks! It’s interesting.
I agree. Consider the “esteemed colleagues” horsing around on the golf course and joking amongst each other, all smiles and cheer, until the Capitol backdrop reappears and cameras roll again. Then out comes the bile and scripted mutual hatreds to titillate the masses.
They think the public is too stupid to catch on. Maybe they’re right.
Your contributions are extremely helpful and always appreciated.
Was quite surprised by the pie chart.
Am frequently amazed at the statistics alan and Kris seem to pull off the top of their heads.
all right, now the grumpy get off my lawn! lady weighs in …
The Distinguished Gentlewoman DeLauro can kiss my shrill ass -
S.3307 (authored by long time FDL darling Blanche Lincoln) passed the House in late 12/10. The vote was 254-157, with not a single Dem voting against. Shepherded by purported liberal George Miller -
S.3307 contained a 25% Cut to SNAP – the cut was used as a “pay for” for the First Lady’s signature Healthy Lunches program
that’s right, Liberal Dems using ‘pay fors’ gambit. we were all told to relax and STFU because there were “firm commitments from the White House and Leadership” that funding would be restored –
which of course, never fucking happened. even if not exactly hypocrites, at a minimum they are blazing incompetents and naives for falling for DNC bs
“. . .The Distinguished Gentlewoman DeLauro can kiss my shrill ass -. . .”
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Regarding just the style. . .
DeLauro is something else, no!? I think she’s trying to one up Bella Abzug who passed away long ago, and has been a loss ever since.
It doesn’t work for DeLauro, though, (or for Warren, as it occurs to me).
Abzug made communicating an art. She must have been double jointed as well, and could make her wide brimmed hat quiver in sympathy with her shaking fist. The synergistic hat and fist were the message.
It worked for Abzug because she was portly enough so the fist didn’t shake her whole frame as well (which would be a sign of weakness, words notwithstanding). Also, Abzug let it be known that she didn’t need the Congress, and they needed her.
Nowadays the purveyors have lost that touch. Now Abzug’s hat could only be matched by something genuinely rude, which Abzug never was. How about spitting on the floor whenever a GOPer walked by? It would be too much (possibly illegal), but quite appropriate when a Boehner, or some such, were present.