I’ve watched with some bemusement this saga over Mitt Romney’s tax returns, which is now threatening to define the entire 2012 campaign. Romney has been running for President since 2006. Any remote sense of intelligence would have signaled to put the financial house in order at that time and lighten up on any aggressive tax avoidance, however legal. So six years of returns should be relatively painless. And yet, Romney continues to stonewall any requests for release of the documents:
“Oh, I think people in my party just say, ‘Look, this is a non-issue, just release the returns and it will all go away.’ My experience is that the Democratic Party these days has approached taxes in a very different way than in the past,” Romney told WPXI, an NBC Affiliate in Pittsburgh. “Their opposition people look for anything they can find to distort, to twist, and to try and make negative, and I want to make this a campaign about the economy and creating jobs. And they want to make this campaign about attacking people and diverting attention from our job picture in this country.”
The campaign’s already about attacking people, on both sides. There’s a conversation to be had on jobs, the economy, the role of Big Finance, the burning of the planet, the best way to deliver health care coverage to all Americans, how to keep seniors secure in retirement, and on and on. Nobody’s going to have that conversation. This is a campaign in 140 characters, the more biting the better. All the reticence on taxes does is inflate that particular issue so that it drowns out everything else, but if it died down some other issue would drown out everything else. It’s not like we’re capable in this country, with this media, of having an issues-based campaign.
So now Romney will have to endure more calls from his allies to release the tax returns. In the past 24 hours, Rick Perry and the National Review have come out in favor of that action. It will get worse with each passing today.
Which leads to speculation over just what’s so horrible in those tax returns that the Romney campaign is completely willing to hold out. The above Obama campaign ad does the speculation for him. With Romney releasing the 2010 and 2011 forms and holding back there, one working assumption is that 2008 and 2009, when stock prices fell rapidly, would have seen him book major losses, which potentially means that he paid no tax in those years, or had a negative tax rate. That’s definitely plausible. I think the idea that Romney took the 2009 Swiss bank account amnesty is a good one:
Romney might well have thought in 2007 and 2008 that there was nothing to fear about a non-disclosed offshore account he’d set up years earlier precisely because it wasn’t disclosed. But then came the settlement and the rush of non-disclosers to apply for the amnesty. Failing to apply for the amnesty and then getting charged by the IRS would have been both financially and politically disastrous. So amnesty it was. But even though the amnesty would eliminate any legal or financial liability for past acts, it would hardly eliminate political liability.
This is plausible precisely because either alternative would have forced disclosure on the tax form, so something either politically bad or criminally bad may sit on that 2009 form.
Either that, or he checked the “Yes I killed a hobo” box in 2006. You don’t want that getting out.




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Just saying….He did not have sex with that woman….It’s all good. Then the truth will out…IMho
Salon also has a feature on Bain; haven’t read it, so can’t comment.
Whatever is in those returns must be even worse than taking criticism from Rick Perry, George Will and Bill Kristol. Hard to imagine what that might be.
Did he declare residency in New “Live Free or Die” Hampshire rather than Taxachusetts?
I think his taxes were done perfectly legally, allowing for the occasional stupid mistake. But that’ll make ‘em even more ugly when folks realize that the 1% has been doing this for years. I wouldn’t be shocked to find out that his other 1% friends and contributors have been calling him and saying “Don’t you dare. I don’t wanna lose my tax haven”.
Boxturtle (I think he has hidden money offshore, but you won’t find it in his tax forms)
That quote reminded me of Rob Schneider’s SNL character, Sensitive Naked Man.
Sensitive Naked Man: Hey, come on. What’s really bothering you?
Cathy: I told you! It’s your nakedness. You never ever wear any clothes. Never. It’s really disturbing. And I think I’d really prefer it if you, like, went home and put something on. [ stands ]
Sensitive Naked Man: If you think I’m leaving you before I find out what’s really bothering you, you’re crazy.
Cathy: Would you just.. put, like, a towel on, or something?
Sensitive Naked Man: Hey, we’re talking about everything except what’s really bothering you, aren’t we? Sure, I could put on a towel, or borrow your bathrobe, but we’re not going to find out what’s really bothering you until you can really talk about it. Now, come on. [ they sit ]
Cathy: Okay.. When I was a little girl, my mother had a beautiful music box that meant a lot to her.. and one day I was playing with it, and I broke it! And I was too afraid to tell her.. and I hid all the pieces away.. and she never found out what happened to it.. and now she’s dead..!
Sensitive Naked Man: Hey, hey.. it’s okay. It wasn’t your fault…
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/91/91lnakedman.phtml
Someone on another site said that “Mitt did a cost/benefit analysis on the release of the returns and found that the cost factor was too great.”
Love that quote and I wish I could give credit to the poster but I do not even remember the site.
It’s called “sometimers” with me, not quite “alltimers.”
Pass the popcorn.
What is Sankaty?
There’s more than Swiss bank accounts going on.
Did he follow the shadows of the letter of the law?
It’s out there, Cokie.
BAIN Capitol, Bashing Americans in the Nuts since 1999. When BAIN talks, people wince.
Why saying he followed the letter of the law doesn’t work: we believe he bought the laws with the same self-serving car elevator arrogance as he bought that beach house in LaJolla. bought-and-paid for minions.
Why does this matter? His returns will, at best, reveal him to be even higher up in the top of the top of the 1%. They may reveal some criminal misbehavior (or not). Otherwise they’re unlikely to be interesting with respect to whether he is fit to govern as President or not. I don’t need to see his tax returns, and neither does anybody else, to know that he’s not fit to govern the 99%.
This seems like a big distraction.
Beat me to it. My take? Kabuki Show, plain ‘n simple. Pass the popcorn if you like, but at the end of the day, there’s no “there” there, except that the 1% don’t pay a fair rate of taxes (but it’s not illegal).
To be boringly redundant: the 1% want Barry to stay in office. This is just “cover” for why Zero will be “elected.”
He’s a bully and money is his club. And behind all the minions and lackeys he has the true core of all bullies…cowardice.
He = Mitt. (as That = foundation/infrastructure)
The entire right wing in the U.S. are bullies and cowards. They have the same psychological make up as the camp guards at Auschwitz.
if those people are asking for the returns then there can only be one of two answers, the first one is my pick but I put the second one out there for the optimists who think obama should get another term
1) the corporatists have their man in office and are doing whatever needed to undermine his re-election
or
2) the returns are perfect and the entire discussion is intended to embarrass obama when they do come public
as I said, I’ll take 1
it seems they are deliberately undermining romney’s election
who could have predicted?
I agree. Loopholes make obscenely unethical tax schemes legal, so what’s the point? Romney is rich, therefore he didn’t pay his fair share. End of story.
Nah, that would’ve come out during the primary. It would have won him big points with the Republican base.
Perhaps the reason Romney won’t release his taxes is because it would make a damn good case for instituting a progressive tax. Wouldn’t want to make *that* an election issue.
I suspect yer right…keep everyone’s eye on the taxes, not policy.
However, it DOES look bad. I’ve heard there’s whispering of finding another bozo to run R.
Maddow claimed last night that it was Ferraro’s tax delinquency that lost Mondale and her the ’84 election. I do vaguely remember that now that she brought it up. Romoney surely is aware of that…even if he DID take the amnesty
I guess it all depends on how )))))fast and furious(((((( Fox NOOZ tells it’s low info viewers that it’s not important.
My extremely ignorant old right wing neighbor again informed me this morning that Obama is a “socialist”. I told him, I didn’t think it was right to throw old, crippled people like us out in the street like O wants to do. He heartily agreed with THAT. so, it’s not “socialism” to the Righties if it benefits THEM…as we all knew.
Plus, Mitt ain’t the nominee yet.
I like that: Romoney the nominee. Hes;’ damaged goods I doubt they’ll wind up running him. The convention ought to be the best show in 4 years.
My place for popcorn; BYOD ( no alcohol, I KNOW how you people get!)
CBS morning show grilled Tim Pawalenty this morning who was apparently “dispatched” by Romney to ttry to address this. Pawlenty did a miserable job addressing and explaining the issue just as he did during his campaign. Consider Pawlenty OFF the short VP list.
I don’t think think this thing is over. OTOH, I don’t think Romney will release any more returns.I think it’s entirely possible there is some tax evasion, not just tax avoidance issues.
Thank you DDay.
The real takeaway from your post?
The paragraph which begins, “The campaign’s already about attacking people, on both sides …”
And ends with, “It’s not like we’re capable in this country, with this media, of having an issue-based campaign.”
It’s what is in the “middle” that counts … but the distraction always seems to “work”.
Perhaps, it is time to no longer chase after the distraction(s)?
To not be distracted by the next outrage?
Ah, well …
Apparently … not.
I hope DDay that you might someday, perhaps after the election, take up this “theme” again, the “conversation”, there in the “middle” … for it does need to be addressed.
Thank you, as always for the very many things you do, and I apologize, a bit, for asking you to do one thing … more.
DW
With friends like that you don’t need enemies. I can’t believe Romney did not foresee this when he decided to run again. Is he that stupid? He just might be.
Um…is that a trick question?
Good points as always. IMO this IS important to the about 4-6% who represent the “undecided” vote. And they may be the deciders.
I didn’t think so. But you could be right.
Couldn’t it be as simple as mother jones reported? He profit off of aborted fetuses. Making money or not paying taxes would not annoy his bane [pun intended] base very much.
Excluding the hobo issue, I think he made tons of mopney from Bain while he didn;t work there asnymore and paid little or no taxes for several years. It might also show some income that might further disclose offshore tax havens. Additionally, it might shoie he IS worth way more than $280 million.
I disagree with many of the commenters here. It’s pretty clear there is something very, very bad in those tax returns.
I’m with you, see my #28.
Maybe he wrote off a bunch a women’s clothes as “expenses” and that will uncover his other job or hobby…… “female impesonator.”
Hey, Stupid, the 1%ers tax returns are an economic issue!
Or man sized diapers?!?! I’d pass the popcorn for that.
Don’t forget the other issue the Republicans obsess & fabricate about is Voter Fraud, and some of those returns are going to show Romney paying state taxes in New Hampshire and voting in Massachussets.
see http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9397#more-9397
And this is all substantively different than the flap over Obama’s birth certificate how?
Well that, more than 250 million.
But how he got it.
I think there are CDS’s, and shorts as well.
I’m sure he profited handsomely from the meltdown.
He either made a bundle from some odious/’legal’ strategies ala Goldman/JPMorgan or legally paid 0$ in the aftermath and or both..
He is sure he will be revealed for being the venal predatory .01% ‘investor’ he is, and it will be next to impossible to be convincing he has the welfare of 300,000,000 Americans as a priority as opposed to the billionaires that are bankrolling the gop.
Tom Waits – What’s he Building?:
I know what’s in those returns…
Lots o’ pictures of him and Rick Santorum
Doing horrible things to each other
In the Cayman Islands
One of them dressed in a dog costume
Gruesome stuff, man
From what we already know, Sankaty sounds like an Enron-style laundering account which Romney used for his own purposes and not just to shelter foreign nationals’ assets. I think there’s a there there.
Everybody knows the tax codes and other laws are written, stretched, and broken by the 1%. Adelson is throwing all that money in to avoid international bribery charges from Macau.That the Koch Bros. are sheltered up to or past the breaking point is a safe bet.
And yet, with all this, the polls have Romney & Obama neck and neck. And that’s because of Obama and the Dems’ weaknesses, not Romney’s strength; but the White House camp adamantly refuses to look at that reality.
Did any of you see this:
It’s McCain’s vetting doc for Romney. Kinda surprised this isn’t just all over…Scroll down for the actually doc and download it.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/wnapr/mccain_campaigns_full_2008_file_on_mitt_romney/
Scroll down and download McCain’s vetting doc for Romney. It’ll answer all questions up to 2008.
What I can’t understand is why he would want to endure this? He can let go of everything and be free at this very moment. But if he wants to become president he has to endure this nonsense. He is wealthy enough to just retire and spend the rest of his life on some island in the Caribbean without having to through the punishment he is inflicting on himself for the sake of his ego. That is the price that he will have to pay then if he wants to become president.
EXACTLY: Either really stupid not to make themselves presentable or exceedingly stupid not to trot the damn things out or unbelievably stupid of the Republicans to put this Kolobian cyborg forward.
What I come away with from that memo (an admittedly cursory read-hey, I just are lunch) Romney’s actions on guns and reproductive choice from a conservative perspective flipped McCain toward Palin. But there’s a lot of fancy dancin’ 1997-2002 with Experian, Total and Modus, eg.
It’s that image of his portrait hanging in the Hall of Presidents that make lounging by the cabana impossible.
Probably just stubborness
Sure, it’s possible that they’re stonewalling because the returns really do have something politically embarrassing. It’s even possible that, given the deliberate loosening of IRS enforcement of the Dubya years (not that Clinton or Obama have been hugely hard on the 1% either), there are things that go beyond politically embarrassing, that Romney used tax dodges that aren’t really allowed under, you know, tax law, as opposed to the mere laws of public relations.
But Romney has been running for office (Senator and governor of MA, president) for nearly 20 years now. You wouldn’t think that he would have failed to be careful in paying his taxes to avoid anything that wouldn’t hold up under the scrutiny of either the voters or IRS auditors.
The likelihood is that there isn’t anything more embarrassing in his 12 year returns than we already know from the 2 he has released — he’s a very wealthy person who pays a significantly lower rate than the average working person. If that hasn’t made you decide to not vote for him, there probably isn’t anything in the 12 years that will do the trick.
He only released 2 out of the stubborness of entitlement. He has risked appearing out of touch and entitled by explicitly stating a belief that persoinal wealth of politicians, and the personal stake politicians have in public policy, should be off-limits for public discussion, as if that would be a sort of low demagoguery that he thinks he should not have to fend off. That’s basically what he said today.
Is that unrealistic? Sure, at the presidential level. But he managed to get by running for Senator and governor, the latter successfully, in a Republican-unfriendly state, without disclosure. He probably just indulged personal, laughably quaint and hypocritical form of idealism, by taking a stand against disclosure early.
At this point, he’s delaying the inevitable eventual disclosure for tactical reasons. Let the speculative fenzy build to the point that the eventual non-news will embarrass and tend to discredit his critics. Hope that the administration actually lets this turn to his advantage by letting slip evidence that they’ve peaked at his returns.
ysd…..ME TOO.
Lotta guys my age, like him, have a continency problem.
Not me of course.
I LIKE that.
Can I use it???
That was great! I LOVE it.
I’m gonna pass that around.
Do I owe you, or TOM, anything?????
Swiss Mitt and Frothy…………????????????
Oh the humanity
This seems to have dragged on way past rational political considerations and now can only be explained by religious terror: Mitt doesn’t want the Tabernacle to find out a)how he makes his money and/or b)that he’s holding out. He’s probably made a pile in caffeine manufacturing and he’s only tithing on half of it. Salt Lake City can be a lonely place when you’ve been shunned.
That’s some pretty interesting stuff. THANKS!!
Puzzles me too. Lotta pain and work to go through just ao have an aircraft carrier named after you.
“really stupid”, “exceedingly stupid”, or “unbelievably stupid” ….?????
Shit Matt, that’s a daman hard call to make.
Let’s go to the slo-motion replay……
Secret Swiss bank account that he took amnesty on when it was offered a couple of years ago??
That would definitely be something that he would want to hide, and just about the worst thing for his campaign possible.
Matt Yglesias has the speculation, here:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/07/17/romney_s_tax_returns_is_the_2009_swiss_bank_account_amnesty_what_he_doesn_t_want_us_to_see_.html
I didn’t think about the “church” issue. Seriously, IF he’s been “holding out” on them……….that could be devastating.
The other thing he has really avoided talking about is Mormonism and his role in it. Surely the tax returns will show enormous donations to the Mormon church and will potentially open that up for discussion.
Much obliged red.
Or maybe NOT enormous donations……..catch my drift????
Questions from someone who doesn’t know much about Mormonism
I know that caffeine is verboten, but is it true that making money off of caffeine is also verboten? Big deal enough verboten to get Romney shunned? He doesn’t live in UT, right, so you’re saying that this shunning is such that it would have any appreciable impact on someone who owns many houses in many states that don’t have many Mormons, in addtion to owning a lot of other stuff that would seem to gurantee that he’ll never have to worry about being lonely?
Legalized by the passage of NAFTA with Bill “Corporate Whore” Clinton at the helm.
Hadn’t thought about that. Then everyone would be yelling at him. What was it Boehner said about him the other day…that his supporters consisted of his family and fellow Mormons? Could take out some of those.
because taxes on the rich and the tax structure are rightly highlighted by the concrete reality of Romney’s tax return (including his IRA with more in it than anyone without the special loopholes could ever put) — so it brings up some substantive stuff about how the law is favoring and subsidizing the well-off
not true of “birth certificate”
Just another reality show campaign. While we’re at it can we see the tax returns of O’s posse of corporate criminals including Timmeh G., Jeff Immelt, Jamie Dimon, Rahm Emanuel, Hillary “The Hawk” Clinton, Eric “Chiquita Killer” Holder, etc., etc., etc. What a ridiculous distraction this has become from the people currently in power who divide their time between redistributing the “wealth” from the 99% to the 1%, supporting global autocracy by their allies, initiating kinetic military actions for resources, prosecuting whislteblowers, and installing a domestic security state.
For a nation that flaunts and embraces its economic policy of “free market capitalism”(unregulated greed), with a government that despises & destroys unions, legalizes disastrous FTAs, engages in illegal actions foreign & domestic, and is run by corporations this is beyond absurd.
Naked greed and corruption is the norm for today’s Republicans. He denies he was/is a predatory capitalist. BAIN was HIS company. Whether he did or didn’t “run it” is immaterial. He was the CEO and sole owner. He benefitted personally/financially from outsourcing. He didn’t stop it….did he? He choose to stand by and watch and do noting. Is that not how evil thrives? Is doing nothing about the loss of American jobs a moral quality desirable in a president? Is pleading ignorance an acceptable defense in a court of law or in the court of public opinion?
Doesn’t refusing to expose the truth of his personal tax returns tell voters everything they need to know in deciding if trusting Willard Mitt Romney is a good bet?
I’m speculating that Mitt’s Lifelike Co. manufactures and sells inflatable love dolls.
On that subject, historically many presidential candidates who were/are wealthy donate/donated and average of 10-15% to charitable foundations/organizations.
According to Nixon’s tax returns, he donated less than 4% when he was in office.
Excellent point.
OTOH, sometimes one needs a distraction to stave off the depression and hopelessness. I enjoy bashing anybody in the 1% and watching them squirm.
Pawlenty defending Romney this morning on CBS was particulary entertaining. Kinda like watching those people eating cockroaches on “Fear Factor”.
Outstanding post.
cnn.com has an interesting take on this.
Oh, I understand. But to what end? Are there voters who are unaware that Romney is rich or that the law favors the rich? Even the glassy-eyed authoritarians who have bought into the myth of free-market upward mobility and thus vote against their own interests know as much about the law favoring the rich.
As Dayen stated the obvious: “The campaign’s already about attacking people, on both sides.” And so it has increasingly been as the difference between Presidential candidates has shrunk over the decades. Attacking the other opponent on personal issues is all there is. There are no real differences, which is why this is done. If it weren’t tax returns, it would be something else. From listening to their language and framing, this issue is for many Dems what Obama’s birth certificate was for many Reps.
“not true of “birth certificate”
Perhaps. But millions of those on the red team beg to differ.
Indeed. In spades.
The fascinating thing is how so many complain about the Presidential campaign being nothing but a mud-slinging horse race and then go straight to discussing the mud-slinging horse race (the TV “news” is capable of doing this in under 5 seconds). If you are tired of it, if you think it is a meaningless distraction, then stop talking about it. In this sense the reality show/kabuki theater is a lot like any other article of faith: It is real only because a critical mass of folks imagine that it is. If we want it to go away, the first step is to stop believing in it.
You raise a good point. I would indeed like to see Mitt Romney’s birth certificate — if only to prove that he was born to a human mother, and not hatched out of some reptilian egg clutch.
It’s amazing that the majority of people seem incapable of grasping the fact of our uniparty duopoly. That one candidate is the carbon copy of the other, and both are merely marionettes in service of themselves and the 1% at the expense of the welfare of the 99% is glaringly apparent if one dismisses the rhetoric and objectively examines actions.
It is beyond absurd. And more so in that we take these flickering TV kabuki images as if they were real and important. Their bipartisan impact is revealed in this recent episode.
Here’s the experiment: 1) Make a list of the recent Dem comments regarding Romney’s taxes. 2) Replace the words “Romeny” and “tax returns” with the words “Obama” and “birth certificate.” 3) Compare the two versions. See if you can tell them apart.
Here is one that just popped up in the comments section under a political cartoon about this issue: “Show us your papers, Mitt!” Now I could swear I just heard that same line directed at another candidate no so long ago.
Your suggestion would be a great Yippie-esque counterpoint to this theater of the absurd: Millions of Dems insisting that Romeny produce his birth certificate. Whoever is passing for a lefty pundit on TV these days should be demanding this every evening.
Who could possibly imagine that the myths promulgated in our seventh grade civics class would prove to be so enduring that they would even trump our ability to reason through cause and effect relationships and weigh evidence that we could see with our own eyes? Well, I guess that is why the likes of Romney came up with public education in the first place. Them poor old bosses need all the help they can get.
To be fair, if one reduces any sample of specimens enough, previously miniscule differences seem as distinct as black and white.
“Are there voters who are unaware that Romney is rich or that the law favors the rich?” Not you, not me, not anyone who reads blogs, but no people really don’t grasp HOW insanely rich these people are — I have to admit surprise that Romney had a car elevator and a lobbyist for his house myself. And LOTS of people really don’t understand and take the rich for meritorious and picked-on. So, for me it’s to that end.
Do I agree that Obama is a poor messenger of this because he’s just as determined to help the banksters and is no more against outsourcing or “free trade” than Romney is? Of course. But I still think it is a very promising development to have Romney’s wealth and taxes discussed, because NO I do NOT think the average voter has ANY understanding about the degree of subsidies for the rich. So yes it may bore and not influence you or me but I’m very very pleased this is the topic du jour.
Fair enough. If disclosure of Romney’s tax returns proves educational, than it is better than not knowing.