It’s with some pride that I note the current strategy from Senate Democrats to let the Bush tax cuts expire and then, if necessary, come back with a more progressive tax cut later. I was calling for this in 2010, and pretty much nobody agreed, save for perhaps Tom Udall (D-NM). Two years later, it has congealed into conventional wisdom, exactly as I described it, and exactly as Sheldon Whitehouse described it to me at Netroots Nation.
Senate Democrats — holding firm against extending tax cuts for the rich — are proposing a novel way to circumvent the Republican pledge not to vote for any tax increase: Allow all the tax cuts to expire Jan. 1, then vote on a tax cut for the middle class shortly thereafter [...]
Virtually every Republican in Congress has taken the pledge, pushed by Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, never to vote for a tax increase — a pledge both parties see as a serious impediment to a tax compromise. But if tax rates snap back to the levels of the Clinton presidency on Jan. 1, any legislation to reinstate some of those tax cuts — but not all of them — would be considered a tax cut.
“Many Republicans are starting to realize something important: On Jan. 1, if we haven’t gotten to a deal, Grover Norquist and his pledge are no longer relevant to this conversation,” Senator Patty Murray, Democrat of Washington, said this week in a speech at the Brookings Institution. “We will have a new fiscal and political reality.”
If your goal is to have a more progressive tax code – forget about raising revenue for a moment, one feature of this is the consequences for income inequality, though the top marginal rates would have to get more punitive to have a real impact – then this is the only way to get it done. The new proposal would be scored as a large tax cut, and Republicans would deal with that the way they dealt with the payroll tax cut early this year, by mumbling and grumbling and eventually agreeing to it. That’s the theory, anyway.
Incidentally, that payroll tax cut, or an equivalent like Making Work Pay that doesn’t touch Social Security revenue, will be gone at the end of the year. As was also said to me at Netroots Nation, this time by Ben Cardin, nobody has proposed extending that. So despite the fiscal contraction that would result, and despite our precarious economic state even with that tax cut (which is focused largely on middle-class families, though not perfectly), everyone appears willing to let that expire. The resultant increase in withholding on people’s paychecks will add MORE pressure to agree to a middle-class tax cut in 2013, not less. But the economy will take a hit either way, and everyone earning a wage will see their taxes go up next year.
The only question is whether the rich will see a big increase or not. And that’s predicated on the strategy of letting the Bush tax cuts expire completely. Predictably, because it’s the only workable idea, nobody believes Democrats will stand firm. I’ll just say that they should.
So far things look promising. But Senate Democrats are not going as far as the White House in the tax plan they’ll vote on next week, which in addition to letting the tax cuts expire above $250,000 in income, increases dividend taxes to 20% for that income class. The Obama budget would have treated dividends as ordinary income, increasing the tax rate as high as 39.6% for the richest Americans. So even with this hardball maneuver, Democrats in the Senate are tipping their hand that they will be more generous to the wealthy in the aftermath.




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they are the obama tax cuts and it gets really tiresome correcting you david
that said, here’s some of the kabuki going on right now, today on my “news radio 88″ they had a ‘wall street journal report” and the host had the nerve repeating ‘allowing taxes to rise and government to start spending again will stall the recovery and bring us back into recession”
which is of course the antithesis of reality
Are Senate Dems Wealthy? Yes
Are Republicans Wealthy? YES
Who knew? The Wealthy always look out for the Wealthy!!!
What a Beautiful World we live in “snark”
Can the Wealthy stop Climate Change? NO
and the END we all die
One day the Wealthy will learn that you can’t eat Gold or Dollars
What a Nation!
Govt By the Wealthy For Wealthy! it has always been this way
Well………… doing nothing IS what the democrats are best at.
But let’s not forget, many experets predict that the repugs may likely lose the house. Now I don’t think the democrats will pick up much if anything in the senate, but, a democratic house will change the logistics in 2013 by a whole lot.
The flaw in the strategy is that if after the tax cuts expire the economy goes south, the GOPers won’t let any new tax cuts happen unless the fat cats are included, putting the Dems between a rock (bad economy) and a hard place (tax cuts for the rich).
as soon as the big O extended the tax cuts – he owns them. The dems are just doing the regular political dance they always do in an election year – the reps have been dancing since 2010. This is nothing new and should be treated as such. Vote third party!
As usual, you have a very valid point. It seems the democrats always get out-maneuvered and/or shoot themselves in the foot by not being as well organized (see- conspiracy) as the repugs.
What will the democrats do then?
What evidence is there to suggest that any tax cut package–whether it’s an extension of the Bush/Obama tax cuts or some post-January ‘compromise’–will not include continued or additional breaks for the wealthy?
“A more progressive tax cut” is an incredibly low standard to meet.
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It seems like a lot of things are coming to a head right before the election this year, for instance the current tax rate extension and continuing resolution.
That strikes me as an open door to much mischief.
Their election cycle BS is worth even less than it was back in 2010 when they extended the Bush Tax Cuts… after saying they wouldn’t.
So we have Harry Reid saying he’ll reform the filibuster… but only IF the Dems win in November. It’s something he could have done four years ago and still won’t do, but this time he really, really means it. And now they’re going to deny themselves a big tax cut? That’s no more believable than it was two years ago.
It ought to be instructive that the Dems aren’t even trying very hard to be believable. Patty Murray (D-Boeing) knows only too well there’s maybe a dozen Senate Dems who would let the Bush-Obama Tax Cuts expire.
Let’s remember that Al Franken (D-Big Media) just voted to maintain $5 Billion in cuts to Food Stamps, which 47 million people rely on to put food on their families. If Al Franken is willing to make millions of children lose weight to malnutrition, then what credibility is left in that caucus?
After the election, any and all Democratic “promises” will be jettisoned in favor of Deficit Terrorism. Since raising taxes on the rich would reduce the deficit, that’s the last thing that’s going to happen. Also, the economy will be that much worse off by then, so there’s the old “tax cuts are good for the economy, mmmkay?” meme.
Patty Murray (D-General Dynamics) is about as believable as Nancy Pelosi, when she says $1 Million/year income is “middle class.”
“. . .One day the Wealthy will learn that you can’t eat Gold or Dollars. . .”
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Just confine him and the loot to a cold, damp cave with a pile of sticks, no matches or food. He’ll figure it out.
should be interesting.
It makes perfect senes, let the Obama/Bush tax cuts expire for everyone, then dare the Rethugs to vote against a tax cut for the working class. Puts the Rethugs into a real tight corner.
That is IF the Dems can get it done.
I Do Not think that the Dems have the will or the spine to execute this strategy.
A lot of Dems like to talk and vote progressive…..when it doesn’t count.
My prediction, Blue Dogs (as usual) will do their level best to screw up this strategy, and in the end even ‘progressive’ Dems will come around and sabotage the whole thing.
And that’s why I think Dems are an impediment to an actual progressive party of the people. I think we should stop wasting our time, money and energy on them.
there’s a flaw in that statement, that flaw is the antithesis, it’s the middle class assset redistribution scheme (marketed as tax cuts) that caused the economy to go bad
taking away the cause is the first step for fixing the problem
That Senate Democrats would hold firm on anything that could actually be popular and good policy is big news.
Of course, this could all be election-year display (that will be followed up with extending the fat-cat tax cuts YET AGAIN).
And we all know we should trust what our Democratic Senators say in an election year, right? Maybe FDL could close every post with a fund raising plea for our Incumbent Dems. We all know we deperately need them reelected to represent our best interests. Whatever you do, FDL, do NOT call attention to what our elected Dem. Senators actually voted for as Senators!
Wanna bet they can “limbo” under that bar anyway?????
Do you define “mischief” as- noun, conniving, corruption & conspiracy by elected officials at the expensed of the public, “Old English”= skulduggery. Betrayal of the electorate through false promises and devious actions.
Very well said.
Haven’t seen you for a while. Nice to have you back.
I got a cave.
“I was calling for this in 2010, and pretty much nobody agreed, save for perhaps Tom Udall (D-NM). Two years later, it has congealed into conventional wisdom, exactly as I described it”
I’m not surprised that you’re mentioning this; This is the first time I have seen you (quietly) toot your own horn.
and, I am not surprised that you were two years ahead of everyone else.
They’d have to buy a spine on Ebay first.
Someone from the “center-left” will come on one of the Sunday morning shows in a couple of weeks and scold these Democratic senators for proposing to raise taxes in the middle of a recession, these Senators will back down, then they’ll “agree” to keep all the Obama tax cuts in place in exchange for the extension of the SS funded tax cut now in place. That is point for point what will happen.
Indeed our democratic legislators, (sans gonads) “talk the talk”, they just don’t “walk the walk”.
My grandpa was a big-shot in the party back when. If he saw how clueless and useless his party was now he’d roll over in his grave. And he’s buried in a mausoleum.
I call them the Bushama Tax Cuts
And also, the Democrats will have to give Republicans a carve-out for the military cuts in the triggers set to vest next year. All for the quid pro quo of “getting” the SS-funded tax cut (which is further gutting SS).
So don’t. Your “corrections” are little better than trolling anyway.
Au contraire, Evil doer. It’s FDL that shamelessly shills for Obama’s reelection. Hard to reconcile, remembering what this site was during the 1st 2 years of Obama’s term but it seems irrefutable now.
“The current cease-fire in Bosnia appears to be holding.”
Indeed! Lol!
Excellent prediction! I 2nd it!
Your mastery of UniParty choreography is first rate!
It’s important for Democrats to be clear about this goal: the purpose of the tax code is not to raise revenue, but to foster increased income equality by imposing punitive taxes on the rich. Otherwise the point of the exercise may get lost in the ceaseless discussion of the national deficit, about which Democrats don’t care in the slightest.
So how exactly was Clinton-era taxation not progressive? All I am seeing is Starving the Beast without any support to show evil Clinton’s tax policies were. What has been shown to be the most effective for the economy is doing things for those with the least income – like no income – rather than the “middle class,” which things like food stamps and unemployment beenfits (along with not only protecting the existing social safety net, but strengthing it) have the greatest impact on the economy. Austerity talk is still here and it doesn’t look like it is going away any time soon – along with taking a hacksaw to the social safety net – so anything that gives ammunition to cut the social safety net I don’t see as a benefit if keeping taxes low hurts people for decades to come because they can’t get what they need.
I can accept no commendations–the only thing this Congress and president have provided us is plodding predictability.
Democrats want an excuse to do things like raise the Medicare age, but they need an excuse so they create they’re own crisis.
It’s rather disturbing to read the first sentence of this post as well. If David feels pride in the “current strategy of the Senate Democrats”, it means he doesn’t acknowledge the unitary party duopoly that exists in our government. That’s a downright TBoggian belief.
Gonna have to point out: perris’ statements are consistent with his willingness to criticize the Obama administration when warranted. Whereas the tone of front-paged blogs on this site has changed this election such that there is very, very rarely anything written that is critical of the Obama administration or the DNC that put it in place. So if perris appears to be trolling, that’s probably why. I hope I’ve been helpful!
Yeah, we can revisit 2006-2010 when the Democrat’s controlled both houses and passed more destructive Corporate-friendly legislation.
Someone seems to find truth, fact, and objectivity to be objectionable. perris isn’t trolling in the least. The “Bush Tax Cuts” were due to sunset and Obama kept them in place. He and the “Democrats” own them.
The Democrats are the Washington Generals of politics.
hbb…..I said logistics might change.
I didn’t say antyhing good would necessarily happen. :-)
Excellent analogy.
Or is that a metaphor?
Why if Obama signed the tax cuts isn’t he getting credit for that? Afterall Obama himself claimed credit for it over and above him being responsible since he signed it rather than vetoed it:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/12/07/fact-sheet-framework-agreement-middle-class-tax-cuts-and-unemployment-in
Frankly it seems more trollish trying to assign someone else the blame for what Obama himself signed, particularly with Obama patting himself on the back for doing so.
Spot on.
Mad As Hell
hbb–
X2
Mad As Hell
Peter Finch is alive and well. I’d speculated that the reports of your demise were unfounded.
I sit corrected.
We could use a Peter Finch about right now.
Instead we got a bunch of Don Knott’s as Mr. Chicken in congress wearing democratic badges.
Was there an official announcement that I missed in.re. the rather apparent front page shift to which you refer? Objectivity lost.
No official announcement but my mama didn’t raise no fools!
My momma did, but not it wasn’t I.
Delete the “not”.
Rude Pundit once called them the BASF of politics (i.e. “We didn’t invent Bush/Cheney policies – we’re only making them better!”), and they’ve surpassed that definition …
When the DNC decided to that best way to compete against Vince McMahon’s rightwing WWE was to put the strap on a black version of David Arquette, that’s the day the DNC became the WCW of politics — doomed to failure, bankruptcy, getting a god damned mudhole stomped in its centrist ass, walked dry, pissed on to re-irrigate the mudhole all over again, and then walked dry some more before being purchased full-stop.
David, I’m curious to know how you feel about the House Dems voting in droves with Republicans to push Obama to give out details of the sequester. Given the fact that uncertainty in this area could cause a lot of unnecessary pre-emptive layoffs this sounds like a decent idea to me.