Yesterday’s attack on the seat of power in Syria (which was not, as initially reported, a suicide attack but a remote-controlled bomb, which actually requires more pre-planning) has completely changed the dynamic in that country. Fighting continues in the neighborhoods surrounding Damascus, the capital, including in patches close to government buildings and the presidential palace. Residents can surely feel the difference between a regime in control and one that can face attacks at the highest levels at any time. The attack will probably lead to even less constraints by the regime, if that’s possible, on the use of deadly force.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, based in Britain, said that the government assault had intensified, with more helicopters firing rockets that were igniting and destroying houses in Qaboun. It said that snipers were deployed around the exits of the neighborhood and that water and electricity had been cut off with numerous families trapped and no one able to excavate dead bodies from the rubble.
One activist reached in Damascus, using only the name Omar, said that the government had been asking residents of Tadamon and parts of Yarmouk, the capital’s southern neighborhoods, to leave their homes. That is usually a sign that government forces are on the verge of a violent attack.
Residents of Mezze and Kafr Sousseh, western neighborhoods even closer to the center of the city, fled unprompted because of the intensity of the shelling there, activists said.
Hopefully Assad does not resort to rumored chemical weapons stockpiles.
Another sign of the fear gripping the regime: Bashar al-Assad left Damascus, according to opposition sources, and camped in the coastal city of Latakia, though this could not be verified. Official sources maintain that he remains in the capital.
The situation shows all the hallmarks of a loss of control by the regime, as it descends into a bloody civil war. The US is planning for Assad’s exit, but that can only happen by force at this point. The idea that either side will negotiate a transfer of power now is wishful thinking. And Washington’s idea of “stability” sounds like a path to make the entire region less stable:
Pentagon officials were in talks with Israeli defense officials about whether Israel might move to destroy Syrian weapons facilities, two administration official said. The administration is not advocating such an attack, the American officials said, because of the risk that it would give Mr. Assad an opportunity to rally support against Israeli interference.
Yeah, involving Israel in the destruction of assets in any Arab country is a horrendous idea.
Juan Cole has a good discussion of the implications of the bombing. It’s all worth reading, but I thought this was particularly cogent:
The rocket-propelled grenades smuggled to the opposition by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, as part of their proxy war against Iran, are allowing the rebels occasionally to kill tanks and take down helicopter gunships. The more such weapons they have, and the more sophisticated they are, the more they help level the playing field for the rebels.
That suggests that we’re already in the midst of a proxy war in Syria, the beginnings of a regional Sunni-Shia conflict. If that’s the case, then where Assad ends up in the coming months is of relatively minimal importance.




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Boy is your coverage full of NATO propaganda.
For anyone interested in a different perspective, try this.
Juan Cole is a CIA ‘consultant.’
NATO bombing worked out so well for Libyan 99ers, too.
Can’t let Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya failures get in the way of a NATO failure for Syrian 99ers.
Interesting link.
Sounds like there are many, many people and states with a vested interest in Syria and currently involved one way or another in the conflict. But let’s not forget that part of the world has been dominated by ruthless, despotic dictators forever and the dominoes have already started to fall. The people are simply tired of being exploited. The rich keep getting richer at the expense of the common people………………
WOW……..I’m having one of those deja vu moments. That sounds ominously familiar for some reason.
Oh well. IMO, Asaad should be removed one way or another. Unlike you, me, I’m not that picky. :-)
From the article…..
See how nice we are……We’re helping him move.
Do you have a link to your assertion that Assad is a ruthless despotic dictator who should be removed?
U.N. Security Council live on presstv. Russia & China vetoed 3 anti-Syria measures. U.S. won’t go for extending/expanding U.N. reps in Syria bc they are not showing what the U.S. wants them to show.
Interesting perspective. I’ve been watching news for months now showing massacres by Assad. Maybe that should be allegedly?
I thought that was a “given”.
Beg your pardon.
The Houla massacre has now been shown to be perpetrated by anti-govt forces.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-06-23/hyderabad/32381215_1_syrian-population-syria-s-bashar-al-assad-arab-spring
you asked
The only ‘given’ is that what the USG & U.S. press says is wrong. Most of the time, the opposite is true.
Ditto BBC, which found in its own internal investigation (hahahahaha) that its coverage of Houla massacre was beneath its journalistic standards.
That’s the telling statement. Egypt was not a Spring, as generals are still in charge (29, instead of the prior 30), Libya, if you click on my link above, is a disaster for 99ers. Yemen replaced one dictator with another.
I will admit, it’s hard to make the call this far away from the play.
But, you must admit, very few altruistic leaders in the Arab world. Certainly none that were actually elected.
You’re right on that.
Remember the good old days when progressive bloggers were actually opposed to Cheney-PNAC’s blueprint for overhauling the Mideast?
I believe there were seven nations on the hit list. Do you recall which number was Syria’s?
So here we are now, supporting foreign Salafis and Al-Qaeda jihadis in their invasion of Syria, go figure.
Where are there altruistic leaders. Certainly not in U.S., Canada, U.K., Germany, Israel, to name but a few.
Perhaps NAM nations should get together a coalition of the willing to overthrow those govts.
IIRC, it’s #6 to 7.
Ahso, eCAHN!!!
The Lake has been infiltrated by Mossad!
Jane…do you approve of the $hit with which David has been fouling up your front yard, of late?
Much of the world is incapable of installing a democracy. I give you that.
Are we helping? Making things better? Making things worse?
I do not have the answer.
Sorry, not following each massacre. But once the guns come out there is likely to be atrocities on both sides? But this,started more than a year ago. Find it hard to believe the protesters killed their own for day one ?
There are not 2 sides. There is no unity among the insurgents. Think warlordism, score settling, etc.
Besides, it’s a well established principle among rebels that you can sacrifice your own to obtain a larger goal.
The same principal does not apply to the national govt. There is no benefit to Assad to kill his own citizens. (Unlike NATO bombing which kills everyone willy nilly.) In rooting out insurgents, some of his own people will be casualties.
Wow! Have you avoiding the part where all those news casts (if they were on non-US media) indicated that the videos shown were unverified?
Yes, no one can say whether any of those rebellions netted anything positive yet. That was one reason I objected to the bombing in Lybia. But there were plenty of people here at the lake made it seem a few of us who objected were immoral. These are messy affairs. Still, what did those people stand to lose? Life was unpleasant in all those places for a long while.
BTW, the principle you raise, ‘both sides are equally at fault,’ is reflective of U.S. press today. If one guest argues the earth is round, they must invite another guest to argue the earth is flat.
In the case of Syria, the reality is much more complicated. But opining about it does bring with it some responsibility to try to distinguish fact from fiction.
Read Killing Hope by William Blum. Makes a strong case that in all 50+ U.S. military international interventions post-WWII, the 99ers in ALL those countries were much worse after than before.
You use the word “incapable” as if it showed some sort of inadequacy.
I think that there are many people around the world who dislike the political structure of western democracies, and who certainly hold on to their wallets and dig bomb shelters when they hear the US phrase, “spreading democracy”.
It’s not that they are “incapable”.
Off to other matters. Be well.
I hope that I have an opportunity to buy you a cup of coffee some day. Or maybe something stronger.
Thank you for your comments.
You seem to have decided that Assad is doing the right thing and there is no need for an insurgent to try and replace the government. Maybe so, but I doubt there is completely non biased reporting. Best thing for us is to stay away. Maybe Assad is a really great leader, but at this point I can’t buy into that story just yet.
Yes, most say the videos are unverified. But NBC had at least one that showed what appeared to be a massacre. I guess you would say that they got it wrong. All the people there were really insurgents play acting? (that was Richard Engle)
Well my opinion based on the reporting I have seen is Assad is killing his people to hold on to power. I don’t yet want to get involved and will listen to the reports. I guess I am a victim of MSM?
You do not improve your argument one whit by including a phrase such as, “showed what appeared to be a massacre.”
My 14-year-old son has all the tools at his disposal to create the appearance of reality in doing a video mashup. If you have the money, there are a slew of media production companies who will supply the reality you desire (and I can guarantee that your taxes are being used to fool you).
And, do you believe anything you see on NBC? Only if you are in the middle of your ‘three little monkeys’ routine!
The situation in Syria seems to be one of civil war. There will be killing by everyone seeking power. We can ask what good was the Arab spring? No good answers. But the despots there were in power for decades and the people were not happy with their lots, made worse by a lack of any voice in the government. . That’s not taking sides. Just a comment that such uprisings should not come as a big surprise. The surprise to me is why it takes so long.
I see the thought police are out after David Dayen’s scalp.
Some observations. Israel’s interests contradict themselves in this situation. On the one hand, getting rid of Assad and the Baath Party, who supply Hezbollah would lay open the possibility of seizing Southern Lebanon again. On the other, If Assad goes, any succeeding government no matter whether authoritarian or democratic would involve the Syrian Moslem Brotherhood, which is allied with Hamas. That means that Israeli policy is likely to be ambivalent and cautious, trying to see which way the situation breaks. It also argues that the pressure on Hamas at the moment could be to shore up that flank before an attack on Southern Lebanon.
The West has been pursuing the “weapons of mass destruction” angle on Syria for some time, but the Obama administration has not yet cloaked its policy in that justification or visibly pursued the military destruction of those weapons. Israel in 2007 did; in that year it bombed what it claimed was a secret nuclear research facility. The IAEA found little substantial evidence that the site bombed was being used for a nuclear weapons program. Only yesterday did US sources on background mention these Syrian programs and only in the context of wanting those weapons secured from the coming chaos, just as Gadhafi’s chemical weapons were secured during the Libyan Revolution. That report also said that the Sunni opposition in Syria was frustrated with the US’s “slow and orderly transition” policy. Seems that US policy is not to some hawks’ satisfaction.
We can see that PressTV is in a bit of a panic. How is RT covering this story at the moment? Can we read the tea leaves about whether Putin has thrown Assad over the side yet?
As for the bombing, the easiest explanation is that some folks who were very much inside the defense establishment had relatives who got killed in Assad’s hamfisted policy of repression and decided to break with the regime. These folks need not be highly placed inside. Speculation is that the weapons were sourced from Qatar of Saudi Arabia, but there is the possibility that they were Syrian weapons that were appropriated by the attackers. Chaotic situations are like that.
Given the exclusion of the media and the spottiness of coverage that leaks out through the social media and the phone calls of Syrians to relatives outside Syria, anyone who pretends with certainty to know what is happening is deluded. That includes the analysis that I put up. It is my opinion based on what facts I can find and my judgement as to their reliability.
Oh come on. NBC I suppose is just another part of the conspiracy, so too the NYT? Stop.
When you cite NBC, did you miss my parentheticals, “(if they were on non-US media)”? I was implying that you should not expect journalistic integrity from US media; they’re in the game solely to make a buck – by hook or mostly crook!
“…All the people there were really insurgents play acting? (that was Richard Engle)”
The love of money available from black ops budget can be a major motivating factor for perfecting one’s skill as a modern-day thespian!
“I see the thought police are out after David Dayen’s scalp….”
How exactly? Or did you forget your snark tags?
I suspect that Israel may want to do something about any WMD the syrians may have, as this situation continues to deteriorate. That could drag us into this mess. What do you suppose Russia will do? Will they dump Assad?
“…That means that Israeli policy is likely to be ambivalent and cautious, trying to see which way the situation breaks…”
Thanks for the comedic interlude!
“…anyone who pretends with certainty to know what is happening is deluded. That includes the analysis that I put up. It is my opinion based on what facts I can find and my judgement as to their reliability.”
Which is exactly the goal of the principals involved in this ruse for spreading ‘democracy’ around the globe!
Did you forget your snark tags?
I suppose with the exception of Fox News I mostly listen to other US media. Syria though is a bit of a black hole. But some bits and pieces come out.
Real resistance movements against oppressive dictators are to be lauded; foreign instigated insurrections, conducted by agents armed, funded, and directed by said foreign power–not so much.
From Dictatorship to Democracy:
http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf
Don’t be fooled by the corrupt media. The Egyptian revolution is still ongoing.
And the sources of your information are from deep within the US government and know exactly and precisely what the strategies, objectives, and activities of the US military and CIA are in this situation? And the sources of your information are from people on the ground in Syria and part of the Syrian government or part of the many rebels groups in a loose coalition?
Tell me. What is the basis for your absolute certainty?
Do you not believe that Israel has an interest in what goes on inside Syria and they will be cautious? Does anyone really know what is going on at the moment other than to say it looks like a civil war?
Absolutely not! Reading his posts, one gets the impression that one has been re-directed to HuffPo.
If Jane sanctions this, I can only assume she wants to pull an Ariana with this site!
Forum spy. Everyone should ignore.
By the way, so is the Libyan revolution, the Yemen revolution, the Bahraini revolution, the Tunisian revolution, and the Algerian revolution. And the 1979 Iranian revolution as well.
The key difference of opinion here seems to be over your term “foreign instigated”. And who is using who in the foreign arms shipments to the various rebel movements in Syria.
We won’t likely know who is correct until it all shakes out.
Sounds like a reason to be cautious.
I presume that that is merely your readerly opinion and not a call to action.
You need to change up your style TarheelDem. It’s pretty blatant.
Just read this and don’t do any of the stuff in here:
http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
But then you wouldn’t have anything to post, eh?
“…Syria though is a bit of a black hole.”
Is this your excuse for your cognitive dissonance? eCAHN has left many sign-posts in this thread, which you conveniently avoid!
The history of the U.S.!!
[Shakes head]
I thought I was agreeing with you and her. None of us really knows what is going on today other than it looks like a civil war (more than one actor) and there are reports of atrocities – - one of which was reported by Richard Engle.
I also don’t find Assad to be a good and decent despot who is above killing a few people to stay in power./s
I will do that.
Thank you, eCAHNomics, for putting up the link to an alternative understanding of the Syria situation. We should not forget that this Administration has followed in the footsteps of the previous one in every instance of foreign involvement, and if it be possible to intervene, manipulate, control in sovereign countries, that is what they are determined to do. I don’t find your take shocking at all; I find it rational.
These countries, beginning with Libya and certainly involving poor Yemen, have definitely been caught up in some kind of manipulation so that reform has been pushed aside in preference for chaos. For heavens sake, we’ve even seen the ongoing attempt in countries closer to home – Honduras for instance. But most of all Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. This assassination reminds me of the slaughter of the UN representatives back then. And in all these countries, where violence is the answer, the only answer and peaceful voices are suppressed – who is doing that? The name that was given to the current media campaign about Syria on the presstv.com site was Ben Rhodes.
We saw the media blitz when Kuwait was foolishly invaded by Saddam Hussein and rumors of babykilling, incubators emptied in hospitals falsely flashed across our screens. It wasn’t just the newsfolk wanting to attract our eyeballs – they no longer care about our eyeballs! That’s not where the big money’s at. But they did want to brainwash us, and they are still trying to do that.
I think eCAHNomics has performed valuable service here. We don’t need to pillory David Dayen – he keeps us front and center and gives us the news to make of it what we will. Thank you, David. And thank you, insightful commenters. I am glad not to be unaware of the complexities of this issue, and I pray for the peaceful citizenry of Syria caught up in this horror.
Too bad for you. People here know my opinions and my style of writing. They may disagree with me but they do not try to shut me up.
The majority of those “ruthless, despotic dictators” that have “dominated” the ME are allies with or puppets of the USA. Let’s not forget that Syria was one on the nations that cooperated with the US in our rendition and torture programs. Assad is the only thing standing between a fundamentalist Islamic (Sunni) state and religious freedom for many Syrians.
Acknowledged and agreed.
Perhaps somebody ran over Mr. Gordon’s dog????
I think I didn’t say anywhere that Assad was a great leader. Just pointed out that coverage in this post was NATO propaganda and that there is another side, which I linked to.
I will not dispute that fact.
But I do think this is a legitimate civil war. Now, whether we are helping or hurting…….that I’m not sure about. All these political crises are global nowadays. Everybody gets involved. Everybody takes a side. IN fact, I’m waiting to see exactly where Alec Baldwin comes down on this issue.
Here is a BBC link on Houla.
Indeed. Maybe he has outlived his usefullness. He may have the same choice some of the others had:leave or get thrown out or worse. But I don’t want to take sides here.
Hamas and Hezbollah are Shia organizations and allied with Iran. The Muslim Brotherhood is a Sunni construct and allied with Saudi Arabia/Al Qaeda/Wahhabi Islam. The US/NATO and Israel/Saudi Arabia are the ME axis of evil. You are incorrectly linking the parties involved in regime change in Syria, which is one of the 7 nations targeted by the US, per Wesley Clark.
Ben Rhodes is the President’s speechwriter on foreign affairs. He is a wordsmith and unlikely to be crafting an overall propaganda campaign, despite what presstv might think. He writes the President’s statements on Syria, subject to the President’s editing. Other writers write Hillary’s statements.
The US has certainly been caught up in some kind of manipulation so that reform has been pushed aside in favor of chaos. Using sidewalk chalk is now considered vandalism in Los Angeles, but only if you are labeled as Occupy.
Authoritarian governments are unwilling to reform lest it open the door to massive changes in the status quo. It is patently easy to see how the Chicago Police Department caused chaos at the NATO Summit. Why is it so hard to see Assad doing the same thing and continually upping the ante?
There is a global revolution going on and the established left has been caught with its thumb in its mouth and resents it as much as the powers that be. And every national government is scrambling to either co-opt that movement or suppress it. In every country. And in the 21st century all media reflects the interests of its owners; in the West that means commercial media reflect the interests of the banking-business class. State-owned media reflects the interests of the state that owns it. And they do this with varying degrees of editorial control over content. Presstv reflects the interests of the government of Iran which is intimately tied to what is going on in Syria. RT reflects then interests of the government of Russia which is less tied to and anxious about events in Syria. The Wall Street media reflect the business interests involved in US and NATO policy and actions regarding Syria. Ha’aretz reflects Israeli interests but not necessarily the interest of the Likud government. Al Jazeera from Egypt until now has transformed from having loose editorial control by the Qatar government to more directly reflecting Qatar government’s viewpoint.
I think we all share the sentiments in your last statement.
You are incorrect this time, but considering how difficult it is to get accurate information on the ME from Western sources I’d almost be willing to give you a pass. Take the information that is provided by the Western media, flip it 180 degrees and you approach the truth. Do you think for a second, after all of the evidence of US meddling and illegal military actions, that our ME policy isn’t dictated by the interests of Israel and Saudi Arabia?
There are many of these stories of atrocities on google.
Believe what you will.
Is this the same UN that authorized regime change in Libya, supports sanctions against Iran, and cooperates with US foreign policy to promote US hegemony whenever possible?
One would think so, but:
Hamas ditches Assad, backs Syrian revolt
Religion isn’t the be-all and end-all of politics even in the Middle East.
Here is the context for Wesley Clark’s statement and the statement itself, per Glenn Greenwald:
Clark’s statement is from 2007 and is in regard to the Bush administration policies. This likely is not current US policy. Or no one expected that Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan and even Greece, Spain, and the US would be collateral damage.
Your point?
When did become unaware that the same corporations that control the US government and the MSM were providing anything but propaganda?
Oh my we were really full of hubris in them days.
In point of fact, Russia and China have veto power. More properly the guilty parties are the US, France, UK, Russia, China. All the others just swing the vote totals when there is no veto. India has been the country most consistently opposed to all of these measures. But India is not a signatory of the NPT, and Iran is.
I see. Obama didn’t continue and expand the policies of Bush. One Puppet-in-Chief is as good as another for the oligarchs.
And ignorance. In those days, Somalia did not have a functioning government. Now the Somalian government is best buds with Africom.
“Continue and expand the policies” and “continue and expand all of the policies” are two different things. After Egypt’s connection to inspiring Greece, Spain, and Occupy Wall Street, I’m not sure that the powers-that-be’s agenda is the same as it was in 2007.
I think that even a plutarchy as massive as you assume will have some limitations, even practical ones. There are some wars they will not want. And was Egypt really good for business? Syria? And there is always the chance that someone will leave the council and cause a problem. I am not wealthy but were I on the council I would rather leave most things alone. Austerity like in Europe can be a good thing, but even that is getting out of hand. So citizens united can be a good thing except maybe if OWS really catches on and then you have to adjust.
“[Shakes head]. And I was hoping our history had been conveiently sucked down the memory hole (or a black hole, if one is astronomically inclined…tee-hee).”
There! Fixed it for you! Say thanks for the unsolicited “auto-completion” feature on this website!
Didn’t you know that Bashar al-Assad is a democrat and all those “rebels” are tools for the CIA? Welcome to the bizarre world of FDL.
To nudge @ 35
Shite, comrade, they’re even hiring thespians. You are on the money.
TD, you’re losing your cool.
Geeze, is the American Revolution going on as well?
U.S.-Israel planning to collapse Syria.
Near beginning of article, citing Syria’s chemical weapons.
So THAT’s where Saddam Hussein hid them.
Mea culpa! Hamas is Sunni & Hezbollah is Shia. In.re. my comment @63. Perhaps Hamas is aligning itself with the Brotherhood in Egypt to ease border control for Gaza.
O my goodness. Thanks for hauling it in at the last minute. You wouldn’t want to go over the top.
The UN has a history of supporting enforcement of resolutions that benefit the Western Powers. In spite of all the resolutions in.re. Israel, how many have been enforced?
Neither India nor Israel are signatories of the NPT and the US has no objections to their nuclear programs because they are “allies” and don’t have resources that the US covets. Iran is and does. Don’t forget that the US/UK removed Mossadegh and destroyed democracy in Iran for Big Oil in 1953, before installing a puppet dictator who makes Assad look like a candidate for sainthood.
Ding. Ding. Ding.
Now bush can say he found them? Yeah, there is a question here of whether Israel will take action about those supposed weapons.
You inadvertently told the truth about the CIA. In case you’re unaware of the collaboration between the CIA and the interests of Saudi Arabia, google BCCI. It’s a defunct Pakistani Bank used by Poppy Bush ‘s CIA and Saudi Arabia, utilized to fund terrorists and to launder drug money.
Interesting. Even from PressTV.
My reading, FWIW: “Bibi, are you going to fuzz up the situation by pre-emptively launching an attack on Syrian weapons facilities if Assad goes?”
Response: “USA, can you provide assurances that the weapons in those facilities will be secured in preparation for their eventual build-down?”
Six known chemical weapons facilities and one SCUD missile site. And the real danger is not from any of the many rebel groups in Syria but from other actors, even Western private actors, who might find it useful to make off with these weapons in the midst of the chaos.
NO friggin’ wonder that we couldn’t find them.
(Hits self up side the head)
Not a question in MY mind.
I can confirm that. I’ve got a BCCI Visa Rewards card.
I get double miles. And nobody questions that!!!!
There are 4 corporations that own the MSM in the USA. Some of these corporations manufacture military components. Any military conflict engaged in or supported by the US/NATO is a boon to the armament manufacturers and the mercenary forces that they employ. War is good for business, especially in a nation that manufactures and leads the world in the export of weapons, which is the only product, besides BS, in which the the USA surpasses the rest of the world.
The US does have objections to all non-signatories of the NPT. It’s just easier to deliver those to friends privately. And in all cases, the response has been that the folks who actually used nuclear weapons are in no moral position to disarm everyone else.
IMO, further downsizing of US and Russian nuclear arsenals will make it easier to bring other countries on board. In Israel’s case, using nuclear weapons against their enemies would be counterproductive. Sorta like folks in Atlanta nuking Memphis. As a practical matter, Iran might be the only exception to this.
In any case, there is a consensus that Syria does not have a nuclear program. Chemical weapons are the main concern, and the reports says that most of these date from sometime back in the Hafez Assad era.
They’re grateful tenants and don;t want to appear anti-Semitic.
Just goes to show you how corrupt the Banksters are. That must be a shadow Visa Rewards card. What’s the interest rate, and is it a gold, platinum, or polonium card?
Five unless I’ve missed a merger: NewsCorp, Viacom, Comcast, Disney, Time-Warner.
And then there is ClearChannel.
And NYT, WaPo, Bloomberg, McClatchy. And a few independents like CSM.
The leadership in Iran is more tolerant of religious diversity than our allies in the ME. It’s just that the Israeli govt. and Saudi Arabia want the US to destroy any nation that may pose a deterrent to their interests. They both viewed Saddam as a threat to their interests and despite the fact that he was a Sunni, he was too secular for the Saudis.
That’s my rule of thumb for distinguishing between the established left and the alive left. So far it’s pretty reliable in separating the theory-spouters from those who actually are engaged in doing something.
The NYT and WaPo were two of the lying cheerleaders for the Iraq invasion/occupation, and they routinely consult with the government before publishing anything that might offend the rulers’ sensibilities. They even withhold or quash stories until they receive the okay from the administrations. They are not credible. Why do think WikiLeaks doesn’t trust them to factually report or disseminate the information they are privy to?
Unless you can convince yourself that even 5 corporations provide the diversity of reporting that is necessary to inform the public objectively, I fail to see your point.
I’m as sure that Ben Rhodes isn’t crafting a propaganda campaign for O as I am that DHS isn’t coordinating the response to OWS, that Timmeh & Ben are instituting policies that favor Main Street over Wall Street, that the US didn’t support the coup in Honduras, that Holder is pursuing fraud on Wall Street, that Jeff Immelt is working to create good paying jobs in the US, and that Shell is going to do responsible deepwater drilling in the Arctic.
Actually, it says “Quantum” on it. Hey, they sent me one of those “Pre-approved” mail solicitations and my wife just sent it in.
You don’t hink I’m on some NSA/DHS “watch list” do you????
I knew of ClearChannel. But Disney??????? MIckey, Minnie, even PLuto????
Exactly my point. Not just the TV but more importantly radio and the newspapers. And the NYT an WaPo have always acted as the US’s Pravda. So has Time-Life.
Disney owns ABC, among other holdings–including some local ABC stations.
Don’t worry about Mickey, Minnie, etc. They are the counterpart of Fox’s The Simpsons.
Crafting a propaganda campaign for O is much different than crafting a propaganda campaign for the US Syria action, which was the allegation as I understood it. Of course he’s crafting a propaganda campaign for O’s presidency; that’s what we pay him to do just like we paid Theodore Sorenson to craft a propaganda campaign for JFK’s presidency and Bill Moyers to craft one for LBJ’s. That in itself is a pretty full-time job.
How so, when the beneficiaries are the same?
To start with, they are aimed at different audiences.
And then the campaign for O is broader in content than just Syria, while the audience for the Syria campaign is broader that just Youessians.
I note how all you’re interested in is keeping the conversation bogged down in meta-data, while purposefully ignoring the fact that the collective beneficiaries of a regime change in Syria and an Obama presidency are one and the same!
Are you now conceding that the treatment and presentation of this article by David is but mere war-mongering/regime change propaganda?
No worries in.re. the “watch list”. Rumour has it that you’ve made the killer drone list though, so keep an eye to the sky.
I’m interested in establishing details and not operating out of any pre-set ideologically crafted narratives. The United States, if it is meddling in Syria is likely to be very disappointed in what results. Same goes for Israel. Assad is using his military to suppress his own people. There is no evidence that the protests were instigated by the US or the West and there is every evidence that the events in Syria began as movements imitated in Syria what had happened in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, and Libya (all of which began in January 2011).
The article by David is what it is, but in no way is it propaganda. David has not axe to grind either with the Syrian regime or with the Obama administration, but he does have his own opinions and sources, which I respect even when I disagree.
You seem to have an objective beyond the discussion of the topic. Out with it. What exactly is your agenda here?
The US government is definitely meddling in Syria. And anyone who claims otherwise, or calls that fact into question, is being naive (or acting that way). The USG has been meddling in Syria for years now, including bombings.
And while the USG may end up disappointed in results, Syria is likely to end up with the result of being poisoned like Iraq. Birth defects and cancers are skyrocketing from the bombs dropped in Iraq – Fallujah has 25% infant death rate in the first week of life alone.
Libya has been poisoned too.
Obama is a mass murderer.