President Obama made his strongest comments since 2008 on gun control in a speech before the National Urban League last night, arguing for a variety of limits on gun proliferation:
With the last public event of a four-day trip that started with a visit to the Aurora, Colo., hospital where almost two dozen victims were brought after the shootings, Obama said he supports measures to conduct background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, fugitives and the mentally ill.
“These steps shouldn’t be controversial, they should be common sense,” he told the National Urban League conference [...]
“I – like most Americans – believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms,” Obama said. “I think we recognize the traditions of gun ownership passed on from generation to generation, that hunting and shooting are part of a cherished national heritage.
“But I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers and not in the hands of crooks. They belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities,” he added.
This doesn’t necessarily stand in contrast to White House Press Secretary Jay Carney’s statement that the Administration would try to work with existing laws on gun safety. There was an acknowledgement here that the current makeup of Congress makes any legislation politically impossible. But a President can say what he wants.
The choice of venue is significant. The National Urban League was the setting, and I would say that Obama’s comments were as much a reaction to the Trayvon Martin shooting as the Aurora massacre. Gun violence has decimated minority communities, and those communities are starved for leadership on the issue from the biracial President currently in power. So he tread out on a limb, however lightly. The NRA didn’t even bother to respond to this, as the environment is currently too politically freighted. But they also know that this is all basically hollow rhetoric.
President Obama said that talk of legislation always follows senseless tragedies, and then “too often those efforts are defeated by politics and by lobbying and eventually by the pull of our collective attention elsewhere. But what I said in the wake of Tucson is we’re going to stay on this persistently.” This isn’t true. Obama basically never came back to this topic himself until a different tragedy 18 months later, and for the exact same reason – politics and lobbying. So while some may see this as hopeful, I see it as the same part of this depressing theater performance Democrats put on around mass shootings, which won’t end without something more than rhetoric.




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I wouldn’t expect Obama to take an actual position on any issue regarding guns or gun control since he voted “Present” when a bill came up in the Illinois State Congress during his term here.
O’s best talent is thinking up regulatory interim fixes for things mindful of the desert in Congress.
Surely he could do something about 100 round magazines and similar stuff. Or find a way to go after manufacturers. There must be at least some hazardous waste in their office trash, etc. . .
“crooks”
jeepers, what happened to “bad guys”
campaign talk
Unless there are additional votes or campaign cash out there for Obama to try to capture that he does not already have, I do not think we will see any action from the President on this issue in the near future.
They mutated….for the worse.
“You can take my 100 cartridge magazine away when you can pry it from my cold, dead hands.”
excellent piece on Black Agenda Report:
http://blackagendareport.com/content/freedom-rider-mass-murder-hypocrisy
“Being President of the United States requires moral multi-tasking. One minute you’re gloating over the bodies of people you’ve targeted for death, the next you’re bemoaning all the senseless violence in the world. “As the United States becomes more and more firmly entrenched as the world’s bully, it is insulting in the extreme for Obama to act the part of comforter-in-chief.”
I, for one, don’t think the Second Amendment guarantees me the right to bear arms, no matter what the dogbreath Antonin Scalia and his ratpack say. And if it does, I want a 105 mm Howitzer and a bunch of Stinger rocket launchers and a couple of RPGs. And the stuff this guy has.
President Obama just affirmed that he, like most Americans, believes that the Second Amendment guarantees the individual right to bear arms.
As a renowned Constitutional scholar (who incidentally personally approves targeted assassinations of American citizens and voted to immunize telecoms from their heinous, ongoing crimes against the American people) he should know that that admission essentially renders the rest of his statement gobbledygook.
I hope he spends the next 100 days talking about gun control non-stop.
I live in Colorado. Most of my family hunts, and some of them and many of my friends are just insanely worried about having their “civil rights” to own a gun (strike that – lots of guns) taken away. Today a friend posted a picutre on facebook that said something like “This is a rock, the oldest weapon. Cain killed Abel with a rock. Why aren’t you trying to take away all the rocks?” IDIOT.
I posted this in response: “Excuse me, but I’d like to see someone try to mow down over 70 people in a couple of minutes with a rock. It’s a lot easier to fight back against a rock that a m16 or whatever that assault rifle was. I could probably beat the shit out of someone who attacked my kid with a rock. I could hit them with my purse or spray them with pepper spray or what ever. Even with a knife it would take a fast stabber to get that many people without getting stopped. But an assault rifle is pretty hard to fight against unless you have one too. Then you would be killing innocents also. The same people that say people kill people oppose regulations keeping guns out of the hands of bad people.”
Now they’re all mad at me. Okay with me. I don’t like most of them that much anyway. They were the ones cheering right along as the important parts of the Bill of Rights were stolen from us.
Please note that Obama specifically mentioned AK-47′s and not AR-15′s. AKs are, to the best of my knowledge, primarily manufactured outside the US.
Colt, an American company and a major supporter of the NRA and its millions of dollars, makes the AR-15 right here in the Good Ol’ US of A.
By removing American production from responsibility and guilt, he gives a continuing green light to the manufacture and sale of assault rifles, as long as they’re American made.
What a craven, worthless piece of dogshit this guy has turned out to be.
H Rap Brown was right.
Please watch today’s Democracy Now!, which analyzes the President’s statements above: They do not endorse any Gun Control, but in fact hold that current laws are good enough and basically assert that the shooter was within his 2nd-Amendment Rights.
apishapa… as much as I admire your willingness to engage with the pro-assault rifle crowd, IMHO you’re asking the wrong question when you bring up the thing about the nature of the weapon. May I suggest next time make your first question something like “…twelve innocent people were just killed by a guy who legally purchased an assault rifle, two high capacity handguns and a shotgun. Do you think this massacre is a problem?
If they say no, end of discussion and you know you’re dealing with a rank-and-file idiot who wouldn’t acknowledge sunrise if it meant losing an argument.
If they say yes, just ask one question. “What would YOU personally do as a citizen to prevent this individual from obtaining the weapons he used to massacre innocent men, women and children”.
If they don’t take the question seriously, end of discussion again.
These particular friends and relatives are not at all interested in solving the issue. They are of the “You can take my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands” variety. They really believe that if they were there and had a gun they would have saved everyone and no one would have died except the evil gunslingin’ ARAB!!!
I know he isn’t, but…well…they are how they are. I just like to mess with them.
The Black Agenda Report was anti-Obama when it wasn’t fashionable, 2008.
No Dog in this Fight
,,,X 2 ,,, the “editorial tilt and slant” of FDL’s “Front Page” at this point is firmly running the cheerleading stuff in support of Obama while the sneering and snide derision pretty much is being tossed at Romney. The UniParty must be pleased with how this is working out for their War Criminal/ GangsterBanksterWallStreeter champion Barack Obama(D)(DINO)(INC INC) guy. Mitt gets the derision while Maim/ Kill Social Security Stealth Weapon Barack Obama gets to skate back into the WH. UniParty Misdirection WH Candidate Mitt Romney meanwhile steps into multiple random piles of dog shit and tossed banana peels political gags. It is UniParty Perfection.
War Criminal Barack Obama? Lets just not talk about that….ok…
oh look! that idiot Mitt Romney!! Romney is so stupid!! Can you believe how stupid Mitt Romney is ?!!? Lets vote for Barack Obama — who cares if he gave G.W.Bush and R.B.Cheney complete immunity from the war crimes they did. Hell — Barack Obama is doing the same shit Bush and Cheney did to innocent children — but lets cheer for Barack and get him back in the Oval Office after November 2012 for four more years.Obama!! Obama!!
At this point those who take pleasure in mocking the Germans of the 1930′s for letting Adolf Hitler take and keep power who also now are supporting and trying to snuff oppostion to War Criminal/War Criminal Protector and Abettor Barack Obama are doing what the Good Germans did for Hitler. Of course pointing this out will soon bring down the Dbot/Obot scolds on you for telling it like it is.And how dare I compare Obama with that killer German!? Why not? Hitler took lots of pictures with nice people standing around him chitchating or showing Hitler being nice to little children. YouTube has many,many film clips of Adolf Hitler being quite nice. Just like Barack Obama gets lots of press showing Obama being nice. But how about Barack Obama’s innocent victims? Well since they are dead guess Barack Obama will not have to face them. How convenient for this American POTUS who is a War Criminal,a wanton Corporatist and shows little evidence of any contrition or sorrow about any of this being true and factual.
As November 2012 gets closer one can expect the Dbots and Obots who get the front row chairs here at FDL will pile the BS they are peddling higher and higher. Fact? Truth? Who fuck’n cares! Lets vote for the War Criminal Barack Obama because that is what good and loyal Dbots and Obots do.
Difficult to have much respect for this hypocrisy laden conduct coming from people who will then turn around and bemoan what is being done to Bradley Manning. But who could stop that? Barack Obama. Imagine that.
At this point the Dbots and Obots just shut that fact and truth out.
Oh! Look at the stupid Mitt Romney!! Romney is so stupid!! Lets vote for that smart D guy Barack Obama. Who cares if Obama kills kids!! Obama!! Obama!! Obama!! Obama!! Obama!! Vote for Obama(D)!!! Vote for Obama(D)!!!
Seriously? The Obots/Dbots deserve four more years of Obama. As long as Barack Obama does not wreck their homes and lives or kill them and theirs they can live with Obama in the WH. Moral integrity? Fuck that. Political integrity? Fuck that. Doing what is right and standing up for it? Fuck that.
Well said.