The debate over Neil Barofsky’s book has taken a turn into a broader debate over bailing out Wall Street at the expense of Main Street, which is both the right conversation to have and also kind of a dismissal of the main argument. Matt Yglesias tries to referee this debate by fitting it into this paradigm, for example:
Team Tim would say that they’re trying to create a well-capitalized banking system in order to bolster the broader economy. Team Neil counters that the broader economy would be better-served by a policy that imposed steep losses on banks and instead repaired household balance sheets. Beneath all the anger and accusations and counter-accusations is a fairly wonky policy disagreement about the relative importance of household balance sheets versus the credit channel to laying the preconditions for growth.
I don’t think it’s right to totally go beneath that anger and accusations and counter-accusations. Treasury admittedly designed a program that they pretended would help homeowners, and instead it allowed banks to trap those homeowners and spread out their inevitable demise. This deception is actually central to the debate, and demolishes the credibility of the side that perpetrated it. The counter-factual that Team Tim would bring up is that this was sadly necessary to ensure a well-capitalized banking system. It was necessary to keep a few servicers in business, but on the rest nothing could be further from the truth. First of all banks don’t even own the majority of these loans. Investors would win with principal reductions and loan modifications in net present value-positive situations. They’ve all said it publicly. The broken servicer model has led to a series of wrong-way incentives that have allocated most all of the losses from the housing bubble on homeowners, in ways that were economically damaging to everyone involved. That’s with a well-capitalized or uncapitalized or shadow capitalized banking system in place.
Yglesias concludes with a cop-out that none of this matters anyway because monetary policy could have solved the problem and is pre-eminent. That enables him to slide away from this debate. I find it far more consequential. Oligarchies of finance create the conditions for economic crises. They lead to rampant inequality, which makes systems vulnerable. These same financial elites, what’s more, have the ear of technocratic monetary policymakers, so the whole dodge is sort of academic and not realistic. It’s because of runaway finance that monetary policymakers aren’t doing their job, in large measure.
And the best way to end runaway financial oligarchs, simply put, is to end their reign. You can say that this “breakup of the banks” would be costly. We’ve been through four years of a no-growth recovery, with millions of people out of work, and to a significant degree a zombie financial system is the cause. Why is this worth saving? If the repercussions are depressed growth until their power and influence is broken, you have to factor that into the calculation.
It’s not just that we should have done more for homeowners, as Kevin Drum points out. It’s that the people who said they were doing more for homeowners demonstrably lied about it, and are still lying about it. That should not be explained away with the wave of a hand. Similarly, this idea that better policies on the banks were unattainable and anybody who said different was necessarily playing on the other team is such a sanctimonious argument I can barely begin to express my opposition.
Treasury had a choice when the banks were sick and in need of help. They had significant leverage. They chose to bail them out for trillions and watch them commit the largest consumer fraud in the history of the United States. This is not a wonky argument about household balance sheets. It’s about the rule of law and the meaning of a promise. It so happens that I agree that we’re in a balance sheet recession and that policies to deleverage would ultimately have been better for the greater economy. But that’s not the only way to arrive at the same conclusion. And the fact that Republicans may be worse doesn’t absolve this Treasury Department of blame.




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And in conjunction with what you wrote David, check this out.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/obama-and-bank-protection-racket
You meant the Fed right? They did the real bailing. That $700+ billion TARP was in hindsight a ruse so no one would be paying attention to the $7-30 TRILLION the Fed was doling out.
yes, it’s the whole apparatus. But Treasury had input with a variety of these special purpose vehicles and emergency lending.
The GOPers aren’t “worse”, they’re just part of the same crowd as the Dems. TARP passed because the leadership of the DEMOCRATIC congress joined with Bush and Paulsen. Frank, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi….and oh yes, Obama, who made a big PR stunt out of suspending his campaign so he could return to DC and vote with the rest of the TARP whores.
And note carefully the DEMOCRATIC congress did absolutely NOTHING by way of imposing conditions on the banks as a quid pro quo for getting the TARP bailout $$$.
The only way to take back our government is to reinstate Glass Steagall rules to separate commercial banking from the predatory investment banks. This is a necessary first step. There are now 70 bipartisan sponsors of Rep. Marcy Kaptur’s H.R. 1489 bill to reinstate Glass Steagall.
I’m currently listening to an audiobook about the rivalry between Jefferson and Hamilton. One major bone of contention involved Hamilton’s plan for the federal government to assume the states’ Revolutionary War debts and pay bondholders in full. Many of the bondholders were the 18th century’s version of the 1%–speculators who bought the bonds from the original buyers, including small farmers and Revolutionary War veterans, for pennies on the dollar.
Wrong, It was Crazy John who suspendered his campaign in 2008.
However, both McCain and Obama did vote for TARP and did not question the actions of the Federal Reserve.
But, “whores”, no, that is unfair to compare almost anyone, to Paulsen and Geithner and the other banksters. These looters are a special class of depraved, criminals who have stolen our Democracy.
David did you see this it is on zerhedge
Namely, what Barofsky says is that Geithner and other regulators who allowed Lieborgate to proceed should not only lose their job but we should “see [Geithner] in handcuffs.” Sadly that will never happen as it would actually be a deterrent to future crime among the highest echelons of America:
But it likely has to start with campaign finance reform. Just like the only way to have a sensible drug control policy is to take the money out of the sale and distribution of drugs- decriminalization. Otherwise the money will talk and the bullshit will walk.
You bet!!
Don’t be too sure. This LIBOR fraud probe could be the beginning of the end. It’s just classic- Pride before the Fall, and we have seen about as much pride in one’s criminal enterprise as is possible to stomach. Just setting my watch for the fall now…
Someday I would like someone to explain the difference between the 700 b TARP and the 25 trillion , if anything. Why did the TARP have to be approved by congress but the trillions did not ?
I’d be curious to know the name of the book you’re listening to. I’ve never been a fan of Hamilton.
Dimon should do,the perp walk alongside him.
Yes, TALF, HAMP, PPIP, and TARP, TARP II, TARP III, QE 1, 2, 3. Actually looking back I grow weary to separate which was Fed or Treasury!
But the backroom deals at the Fed didn’t even get acronyms and they totally eclipse the above as far as anyone can tell. Of course that’s the rub, we do not even know the extent of the bailout.
I wonder if it was something as “innocent” as the banks doing tarp with some semblance of correct procedures.
With public outcry and their ownership of the entire political process, they decided to just say fuck it, we’ll take what we want right from the source. To hell with the public bullshit, they paid for the politicians.
Rather than being the lesser of two evils, I think Obama and Timmy are the more effective of two evils… because they have been so successful in co-opting the “left” into their evil plots. So here’s hoping for a Romney win–after which the “left” might find their conscience again.
Holloween isn’t for a few months yet, quit scarring the children!
I’ll choose turd sandwich over giant douche this time, thank you.
Yglesias is a bright guy, but a BA in philosophy from Harvard no more qualifies him to write intelligently on ezconomics than my Ph.D in economics qualifies me to pontificate on Wittgenstein’s epistemology. He’s better than the right-wing hacks, to be sure. But that’s a very lowbar.
DDay… if you had not yet seen this… Breitbart is reporting a second reason why Holder may be footdragging on Corzine…
So could it be that somebody at Covington would go down for providing legal advice to Corzine on how to steal without prosecution? And could that same somebody have stuff on Holder?
Both sides of the Kabuki Kabal make me sick.
Rread the Beard’s Histiry of American Civilization. It was the standard college textbook down to rhe early 1960s, and was one of the intellectual mainstays of liberalism. Beard organized his history around the conflict between the financial profiteers and the ‘people.’ it fell into disrepute after heavy attacks by conservative historians, but a re-reading shows that apart from some minor points of detail, his interpretation holds up. It’s due for a comeback.
Dinner at Mr. Jefferson’s by Charles Cerami.
Don’t get your hopes up. It’s more likely that the DLC/Third Way crowd will blame Obama’s defeat on his being too liberal. They’ll call for another lurch to the right, combined with a purge of the hippies.
Glass-Steagall was good, but ethics and honesty are better. The S&L Bill from Reagan was a license to steal and they did. That culture was allowed to run rampant for 30 years until the global economy crashed. Fraud is the easiest way to win the game as any group of kids can explain. While Paulson was yelling the sky was falling, he had been at the top for a very long time banking his gains probably like Romney in tax-free shelters off-shore. This election is important because it will show if it is possible to send people to DC who have a clue and a heart about the 99%. If we can not get any representation in DC, we need to do some serious organizing at the survival level.
Neil Barofsky: Breaking Up Big Banks ‘Necessary’ video at CNBC with a clip of former Citigroup Chairman and CEO Sandford I. Weill advocating the breakup of big banks.
Well, there’s always Howard Zinn’s “People’s History”…
I’m beginning to wonder if the “conscience” of the “left” is at all recoverable. Maybe they will all just descend into nostalgia for the good ol’ days of the Obama administration.
“Philosophy” in academic departments has for some time been analytic philosophy, which is a meaningless parsing of terms. Maybe this helps Matt Yglesias stay detached from reality while appearing sane.
Time to buy Yglesias some kneepads.
that book is available for free on librivox, and probably other places.