The Obama Administration and supporters of the Affordable Care Act never fail to tout one of the innovations in the law that has already come into practice. That’s the allowance of children to stay on their parents’ insurance up to age 26, which has allowed by one estimate over 2 million sons and daughters to maintain their insurance coverage. With youth unemployment at a high and more and more entry-level positions coming with no insurance plan, this has allowed a smoother transition into adulthood for millions of people.
However, if those same under-26 plan beneficiaries want to have a child, they may have to look elsewhere for coverage.
Group health plans with 15 or more workers are required to provide maternity benefits for employees and their spouses under the Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978. But other dependents of employees aren’t covered by the law, so companies don’t have to provide maternity coverage for them.
Although hard numbers aren’t available on how many companies don’t provide dependent maternity benefits, “I would say it’s common,” says Dania Palanker, a senior health policy adviser at the National Women’s Law Center. And the number could grow with the recent expansion of coverage to children under age 26, she says.
Dan Priga, who heads the performance audit group for Mercer, a human resources consulting company, estimates that roughly 70 percent of companies that pay their employees’ health-care claims directly choose not to provide dependent maternity benefits.
This is a quirk in the law that had almost no effect when the cutoff date was 18, that now becomes a problem when that gets expanded to 26. I would think it will be difficult to get employers to suddenly open up maternity coverage to dependents, which is a pure cost outlay with little in the way of benefits. Either this causes premiums to rise considerably for those who elect maternity coverage, or a substantial number of young women on their parents’ plans are out of luck should they find themselves pregnant. Perhaps the young women, if they have no visible means of support, could get on Medicaid, if they’re lucky enough to find a doctor to accept it. Some employers may be forced to take up maternity and pre-natal care as part of the preventive services mandate, but only on new plans, and not at all for large-group employers or self-insured plans. Oh well, fortunately young women don’t have a lot of children or anything.
All of these little quirks and unintended consequences spring from the fact that we do not have a coherent health care system in the United States. Instead, we have a series of overlapping systems that often conflict or contradict with one another. The obvious solution to this is to create a system where everyone is covered under one standard, eliminating the proliferation of these Easter egg surprises from cropping up.




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Honestly, I’ve been using VA medical care since 2005. 100% free, good service, and never a single form to fill out. All you poor people who have to suffer under the myriad of private insurance schemes and for-profit hospitals/drugs that Obamacare fosters must really be suffering. I feel so sorry for you all.
If only you had pushed single payer more aggressively instead of letting Obama meet in secret with insurance industry lobbyists and kill single payer/public option. Damn. Ah well, looks like you all are going to suffer because of that spinelessness.
Find themselves pregnant! How about getting yourself financially able to support a child before deciding to get pregnant, rather than hoping to stick someone else with the bill for your own choices.
Maybe re-word the fertility metaphors in the last sentence: “. . . proliferation of these Easter egg surprises from cropping up.”
Just part of the war against women.
Perhaps unwed pregnant women should be stoned to death. So much more efficient than just letting them die in pregnancy or childbirth.
Not only a pagan fertility metaphor, but also a Christian holy day metaphor (though some Christians reject the cutesy bunny, chick and colored egg side of Easter observances).
Congressman Paul, is that you?
Being stoned to death would certainly qualify as being “out of luck”.
Um, we did push it aggressively, short of illegal actions.
Must be fun to post whatever you feel like posting, without slowing down for facts.
Some people get their jollies by blaming victims.
hahaha eCAHN that is a little bit of a leap. I do think that if some people, otherwise known as adults over the age of 18, would like to have kids that they do plan it out. If they dont have the good fortune of circumstance and planning there is always medicaid. This government program does a good job in NYC of taking care of thousands of poor young mothers with either no parents or equally poor parents who dont have insurance on which they could have stayed.
I wouldnt chalk this up to the Republican war on women, which has been infuriating, rather it is part of the coddling and babying of today’s youth. A generation of ,”there are no losers” and “everyone gets a trophy” might be able to better cope with life’s problems if they were ever actually exposed to life’s problems.
This is only a sub-set to the overall tendency of any employer to reduce costs by reducing medical insurance coverage, or to eliminate it completely by perhaps outsourcing to another country, even to Canada where a corporation is not burdened with employee medical insurance costs.
If I were an employer would I reluctantly increase my labor (no pun intended) costs or would I reach for the phone and call Outsourcing Incorporated?
Hmmm, coddling of today’s youth. Where have I heard that before…
I forget, was it Plato or Socrates.
Sir James Goldsmith anticipated this in 1994.
I’m not clear on all of your points. IMO, you seem to be jumbling a bunch of different concepts together.
That said, we can argue ’till the cows come home about whether today’s youth should get pregnant or not, and when and how and with whom.
To me, the main point is that, whether we think that young people (NOTE: there’s more than just women responsible here, but I get that’s difficult for some to grasp) should get knocked up or not, whilst on their parents’ insurance.
There are many reasons why this should be permitted, just as there are many reasons why perhaps the choice to have sex was made responsibly or not.
Birth control fails. Most people in their late teens & early twenties are sexually active (if not much earlier than that). Pregnancy happens. Deal with it.
I think it’s all part of the War on Women, frankly. Women aren’t supposed to get abortions. The RC Pederast “Church” doesn’t want women to get birth control, and the US govt goes along with it. NOW women aren’t supposed to get coverage, under certain circumstances, if they get pregnant.
NO War on Women going on? Wake up and smell the coffee.
Not to mention that what happens to the kid? I thought the fetus was ever so sacred… except when it comes down to: not so much, after all.
Democrat Baucus had single payer advocates arrested and handcuffed in his Senate hearings.
Democrat Obama had Billy Tauzin and insurance company advocates in the White House writing up the ACA.
That’s pretty aggressive action against single payer.
But. We Tried..
Boy what a bunch of nastiness here today on this topic.
What? Is everyone tuning into Rushbo now and getting mad at the FemiNazi’s? No snark. Go back and read some of your commentary. Making me feel a bit sick, it is.
Or we could force every woman to have a pregnancy test and if she’s positive, she should not be allowed to go to school, or a myriad of other constraints we might think of in the future.
You do know that your VA medical benefits are in the Republican’s sights?
Can’t have an efficient government program, people might get wrong ideas.
I saw this coming. I can’t remember what precise day I woke up and recognized the war against women had been won. It was prolly 9 months (heh) or a year ago. I emailed some friends to mark the date but didn’t mark it on my calendar.
I just love how many of the commenters (not all) here today are all “upset” with the wimmin-folk for doing the nasty and then finding there’s a bun in the oven.
Of course, boys will be boys… hyuck hyuck shucks, and they’re all manly ‘n stuff. The FemiNazi shoulda knowed to say NO and mean it. Screw her. Let her figure it out. That’ll fix HER. Rhymes with Rich… and so on…
WTF??
“Wait, wait, you have to use a condom because my mom’s health insurance won’t cover our baby.”
/said no young woman at the critical moment, ever
It’s been discussed over & over how there’s precious little difference between so-called rightwing authoritarians and putative leftwing authoritarians.
This is pretty disgusting. yuck.
I know I shouldn’t feed the troll, but here goes. My SIL, married (in a church no less! Imagine!) to my brother, both college educated, both productive members of society, and they “found themselves pregnant”–none of our business how or why. It wasn’t planned, but it happens. My brother’s job didn’t have benefits–he had just started it and they hadn’t kicked in yet. Since they were 25 at the time, and the under 26 rule was already in place, she hopped on her parents’ policy and thank God, they didn’t have to face financial ruin because they had a baby! I don’t get it; don’t the conservatives WANT people to go forth and procreate? Pick an argument and follow it through logically! God Almighty, if the sanctimony and the “I’ve got mine” attitude doesn’t stop, we’re all in a big(ger) heap of trouble than we’re already in as a society. Same applies to the arguments saying, “we don’t need universal health care, people just need to plan better…” yeah, because we can all plan to get cancer, or have a car accident, or we’ll always have a job that has benefits, or a job at all. Bah. I’m out. Peace.
What did the boy say or do at the “critical juncture”?? Or is he totally off the hook?
The Ds are already downsizing VA. I have a friend who works at one of the hospitals and she tells me they are closing facilities. I was astonished, given how many disabled vets there are from I&A, etc. She told me that young disabled vets are being offered lump sums to relinquish their lifetime medical benefits. She mentioned a sum of $25,000, but I have no idea if that’s accurate and haven’t come across any reports to confirm or deny that.
And that’s under Shinseki, a ‘good’ guy who authorized treatment for Agent Orange suffers. Imagine when the Rs take over & he’s gone.
Let me make it clear for you: conservatives basically want you to eat shit and die. It appears that a lot of commenters today on this post feel the same way.
There is no “logic” in any of this. It’s about suppressing and oppressing women, whilst attempting to control, as well bankrupt, just about everyone in the 99%. If you make a mistake, you’re on your own, ya LOSER.
Actually pregnancy is totally affordable in countries with a decently promoted system of midwifery. Even for younger mothers. As I have written before on FDL, most American Women are not going to get one of the top gyn/ob people unless their pregnancy is carefully planned or they happen to have an “in.” (Like you are married to another gyn/ob.)
Midwifery along with regularly scheduled pre-natal visits means a great deal in terms of the health of the delivering mother and the newborn. Some 8 to 10% of all pregnancies might be of high risk, so that they will end up having to use a normal doctor and hospital setting. But again, in all nations where the midwifes are carefully trained and screened, the entire situation ends up with healthier moms, and babies, and much less in terms of expenses. I mean, for Pete’s sake, the rate of expensive Caesarian births, mostly for the convenience of the doctors, is now off the charts.
We all have to realize that the VA’s days are numbered. I think I saw big old bulls-eye on my local VA Hospital recently.
The 1% can’t wait to get their grubby paws on that to rip it off and cast out the
serfsVets who use those services.Or as I call it, uterus envy.
Freud, being male, got it precisely wrong.
“we can argue ’till the cows come home about whether today’s youth should get pregnant or not,”
Thats just it, people over the age of 18 with the right to vote, fight and be held legally responsible for any crimes they commit are NOT today’s youth. Today’s youth are under 18. I never said they women should not have the right to choose, they have all the right to make their own lives and their own decisions. But if an adult chooses to have a baby with or with out the father , I would hope that they planned it out a little bit. And if accidents do happen there is always medicaid which works quite fine for many people, you know a public plan for poor people. I thought all the people here are in favor of universal health care??
Also, I acknowledged that there is a war on women which is infuriating. However, this is not part of it. This is, I believe and its just my opinion, just a recognition that if an adult, who would otherwise be getting a child’s benefit by staying on their parents insurance, decides to make an adult decision that they should be treated as adults. Its not that malevolent, is it?
Thank you for a thoughtful response. Like minds may disagree however.
Someone, above, wrote a post about a sibling who accidentally got pregnant while married at the age of 25. We’re living in a depression. That’s the bottom line. Maybe Medicaid will work, and kudos if it does.
But I do happen to see this as part of the War on Women. Is it malevolent? That’s a strong term, but yes, maybe it is malevolent.
When people pay a boatload to BigIns, whose Fat Cats are living large, but then you’re prohibited from using that Insurance – that you paid for – for a natural condition??? Spare me. It’s bogus bullshit. Why have Insurance??? Which none of us here wanted, but now we’re stuck with it.
And now BigIns is gonna cherry pick what they’ll cover (which they do anyway)?? I argue that this is wrong and a bad deal. That’s my take. Take it or leave it.
As medicaid is not long for this world, and as many pregnancies are not planned for a variety of reasons you seem incapable of understanding,
Yes it is.
Aside: Walking along a tourist area, passed by a 40ish woman talking on a cell phone & overheard her say, “We were surprised too.” Turned around & sure enough she was pregnant.
The bottom line is that citizens should not be pit against each other applying so-called “morals” or “family values” or whatever as to whether someone is “deserving” of health care or not.
It’s just outrageous. I haz a disappointment today at FDL.
That’s how I know the empire’s days are numbered.
It’s become so greedy it is starting to screw the army that props it up.
Agreed. Like the VA, Medicaid is not long for this nation.
Saying that Medicaid will “take care” of the situation is just kicking the can down the road.
Why are parents paying for Insurance, if their kids cannot use it?? That was one of THE main allegedly “good” things about the shit-pile BigIns rip-off that’s ACA.
Frankly, no surprise to me that this “good” thing comes with a “catch.” Too bad that some commenters can’t seem to see that this is NOT good.
Alright, cool point well taken. I just thought the stoning women comment by eCAHN was a little much, funny but a little much. There just maybe some middle ground here afterall.
For sure. The question is: how long will it take.
It’s clear to the rest of the planet that Team USA is on it’s last legs. We are rapidly descending into Third World Status.
Sadly, though, citizens – as exhibted here today – are only too too willing to go along with the 1% and say they’re absolutely correct: rip off everyone! Go for it! We’ll do the dirty work for you by dissing the Slutty McSlut-Sluts for being, you know, slutty little whores ‘n all.
Perhaps strong language but then again it was in response to a post that I found abhorrent and disgusting. So…
Don’t count on Medicaid. It won’t be around very long. Why pay for Insurance if you can’t even use it?? Shouldn’t matter for what purpose, if health care is needed. The end.
Reductio ad absurdum is a long-standing method of debate.
On edit: And not that far from what medical insurance corps, the ultimate moral hazard biz, would like to do: collect premiums and hope people die before they have to pay off. Lots of profit in that.
Ok, I agree babies with babies probably should be able to stay on their parents health insurance until 26. Point conceded.
But what about the kids today whos parents do not have insurance?? Whos insurance will they stay on then? Im not saying medicaid is the best, but it is a well established option.
Text book case of “Stockholm Syndrome.”
Medicaid is great, and if that’s all you have available: good.
Flogging a dead horse here, but if your parents paid for Insurance, you should be able to use it for *whatever* medical health care needs you have.
I, personally, don’t have a problem with people using WICC and Medicaid, if that’s all they have access to. But this issue is not about using Medicaid.
My criticism of the U.S. medical industry is much much broader than anything on this thread. I usually don’t engage in micro arguments as the specifics of whether some patch will redeem a totally dysfunctional system is a decisive no.
But some of the comments on this thread were so astonishingly egregious, I got provoked.
Another thought is this: easy to point a finger at 50% of the population and say: too bad for you, Ms. Slut. You should’ve _____ (fill in the blank).
This is just the “first shoe dropping” with ACA. What’s the next “shoe” to drop?? What other coverage will be denied?
Bet your boots there’s more to come. Nice right now to be a guy. Sucks to be a girl. Well, everyone might want to reconsider their “morals” or “values” when the 1% hits us with the next thing we don’t get coverage for.
Anyone wannna bet me that this doesn’t happen again??
Anyone??
Will prolly keep ED treatment coverage until the very end, though.
Yes, Goldsmith: US/Asian labor costs 47:1.
So the US piles more costs on corporations for rubbers and pre-natal counseling (‘cuz who likes rubbers).
But to compensate the US also helps corporations outsource its labor to Asian countries. It’s a principal task of ambassadors.
So it balances out, so to speak.
Oh no doubt. And all the tsk-tsk Task Force here today will be all “down” (take that however you want) with that. And if some Slutty McWhore gets pregnant? Why it’s all her fault, of course, esp bc, by default, she is lacking in morals, values (family or otherwise) and didn’t ask the dude to use a condomn (even tho perhaps she did, but hey, who’s counting) blah blah blah…
This is a Republican “Health Care Plan,” and it reflects typical conservative values, which includes the War on Women. So-called “Democratic” pols who endorse this are DINOs or Blue Dogs or both. Whatever…
Or….
Adjust to global integration slowly so high labor cost countries can preserve their standards while low labor cost countries catch up.
Which is the way global integration happened before 1%ers thought of shock doctrine.
On edit: AND! Who’s to say that low labor cost countries’ wages can’t go down?
Yes, doesn’t the disconnect astound you? They’re our heroes and our wounded warriors until they start to cost us money, then they’re just drek the conservatives want to put out with the garbage. These kids are going to catch on sooner or later, and they’ll either start refusing to enlist in the military or start turning their guns on the people who’ve turned their backs on them.
And another inconvenient hole appears in the facade of health insurance reform. I would ask why Americans always settle for so little, but in this case it really isn’t a fair question. A true overhaul of our health care system in the form of a public option was a consistently popular proposal, but there was no way it was ever gonna happen.
Again, people you must demand that all your representatives and senators not get their government health insurance since they are preventing us from having health care in this country.
DEMAND THEY GO OUT ON THE FREE MARKET AND BUY AN INDIVIDUAL POLICY.
It should work out well for them because the FREE MARKET IS THE BEST THING IN THE WORLD.
You actually DO have to fill out forms. The VA wants to know who else insures you and if you aren’t sevice connected at least 50% then you have to fill out an annual verification that looks at your income amounts. While they will see you most insurance considers it out of network so you end up paying more through the VA system if you are middle class.
Logic is not the conservative ideology’s strong point.
They don’t want women to have birth control costs covered and they don’t want women to terminate pregnancies. They think nothing of bitch, moaning and whining though about the cost of social programs, many of which we put in place TO COVER CHILDREN and make sure they aren’t penalized(go hungry, lack a roof over their heads, go without medical care, etc, etc)for being born into poverty.
Here’s an idea, stop telling women to have children they aren’t physically, emotionally, spiritually or FINANCIALLY prepared for. It’s a lot cheaper to pay for birth control than it is to help raise a child until it is old enough to be considered responsible for itself.