Vice President Joe Biden told senior patrons at a restaurant today that there would be no changes to Social Security under an Obama-Biden Presidency, a guarantee that may force the top of the ticket to speak on this and other social insurance programs.
“Hey, by the way, let’s talk about Social Security,” Biden said after a diner at The Coffee Break Cafe in Stuart, VA expressed his relief that the Obama campaign wasn’t talking about changing the popular entitlement program.
“Number one, I guarantee you, flat guarantee you, there will be no changes in Social Security,” Biden said, per a pool report. “I flat guarantee you.”
The pool report noted that most of the patrons at the cafe toward whom Biden was directing his remarks were over the age of 60.
When the addition of Paul Ryan to the Republican ticket turned the Presidential race into a competing set of visions for social insurance programs, I thought it could go in two directions. Either the Obama-Biden ticket would straddle the divide and embrace a “bipartisan” deficit reduction plan which pokes at the sacred cows of liberals and conservatives, meaning that the “grand debate” of the campaign would be between a center-right and a far-right vision, leaving the entire idea that social insurance plans ought to be protected, if not expanded, off the table. Or, Obama and Biden would get forced into a corner and make promises on these programs that would conflict with their past attempts to reach a grand bargain that subjected the programs to cuts. Biden has basically done the latter here. It’s the kind of no-wiggle-room guarantee that could be useful after the election.
However. It’s only the Vice President talking. Someone needs to ask the President if he agrees. We’ve seen previously how Biden’s declarative statements have often gotten further out in front of where the Administration wanted to be, leading to either a walkback or, in the case of marriage equality, forcing Obama grudgingly in that direction. Maybe we’ll see the same dynamic here.
In addition, Biden’s declarative was made on Social Security. That’s not exactly the major issue in the campaign at the moment. After flirting with private accounts, Paul Ryan left Social Security untouched in this year’s budget. Mitt Romney has spoken favorably of raising the retirement age and means-testing benefits for well-off beneficiaries in the past, but he has not given a definitive answer on his plan for Social Security. The real fight has been about Medicare, and who cuts what and when. So in addition to pinning down Obama-Biden on Social Security, getting them defined on Medicare – and Medicaid, for that matter – would make sense as well.
A Presidential campaign based on deficit reduction and social insurance in a time of mass unemployment, a campaign aimed at Washington DC instead of Main Street and its struggles, is bad enough. But if Biden stumbles the President into drawing some bright lines on those programs, it could have a salutary effect.




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“Someone needs to ask the President if he agrees.”
Actually, everyone needs to ask him if he agrees, along with Reid and Pelosi and every democrat running for national office. Pin ‘em down and give them no wiggle room.
I won’t believe any of them, particularly Obama, but it is the right thing to do.
LOL!!
Ask yourself: would you buy a used car from this man??
I wouldn’t. I don’t believe a word that eminates from his mouth.
Caveat emptor.
Does this mean Obama will not work for raising the cap on income subject to FICA?
Biden is saying what Obama wants you to hear…because Obama isn’t planning to deliver just that.
But still, they ain’t R-money and ly’n Ryan.
OK. Now here we go.
We need to demand that that the Social Security retirement age be lowered to 60 because of the high unemployment they have caused and continue to cause.
Yeah, 60.
Eat that you criminal elites.
Well, I’m not going to be near as cynical about this as some of the comments but Biden has a long history of foot-in-mouth disease. That being said, this could be huge. But I would need something much more solid than that before I cast my vote.
Simple mr vicepresident: ” I DON’T BELIEVE YOU”,what you said is plain utterly untrue.President Obama is ready to hit SS,among others things because he will be a lame duck in November,sorry mr Biden.
MAybe this means that the things are getting through the DC Dems and even GOPs…keep the heat on them!
Biden is trying to push Obama into a strong position, something Obama hates doing, especially if it’s a liberal position. Remember when Biden came out for gay marriage, and Obama did his usual “I’m evolving” crap. After a few days of terrible press, Obama was forced to come out and support it.
This may be the same thing, but I still don’t trust Obama on this.
The Changes in Social Security are due to arrive no matter who sits in the Oval Office:
Obama’s Second Term Agenda: Cutting Social Security, Medicare and/or Medicaid http://blackagendareport.com/blog/9722
Biden — Obama’s man — is lying.
damn it
I didn’t want to start thinking like a tbogger and actually believe this guy might be better then the other
on the other hand, these statements have been made before while they were working on the antithesis behind closed doors
uggg
Or, maybe we don’t know yet…It would seem to me.
I really don’t understand the undue attention paid to campaign promises. Do you all know how little these things are worth? Remember, Obama promised us a public option without a mandate.
This from somebody who posts diaries demanding people stop voting. Yeah, thanks for your input.
Believe me, they talked this over beforehand. This is classic bait and switch. They’re feeling the heat from the left, want to make sure they’re not tripping over their own feet, figure this is a way to get out in front of the issue, look benevolent and also bait the right.
Biden omitted Medicare and Medicaid for a reason; they’ll be happy to preserve SS for another four years if they can hand the Medica sisters to Wall Street.
Biden as caring paterfamilias kind of sets him up to characterize Ryan as a mean jerk, too, no?
Right you are.
I remember seeing a video on YouTube with Campaigner Obama promising this and that and President Obama doing the opposite. It was endless.
Don’t believe them.
Yep and unfortunately, we already know the enormous disparity between Obama the campaigner and Obama the President. Like I said, I need something much more clear than that.
We need to be calling them up and telling them we don’t believe them. And furthermore, we are not going to stand for it.
I said that to the Obama people more then once and they tried to brush me off. They think I’m a Republican.
or
maybe I can quote g bush;
fool me once, shame on you
fool me twice
errr
errr
errr
CAN’T BE FOOLED AGAIN1
I’ll say it flatly.
It’s a lie.
I can’t find the video, which was unbelievable. But here is a list. Not quite as impactful.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/?page=1
Let’s see, it been over 3 1/2 years since President Obama was sworn in as President of the USA, and we still don’t know where he stands on major issues such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.
In all honesty we have to admit he could go either way on any of these issues, and so many more, for example look at immigration, he deported more immigrants than any President in history, and now he says he’ll stop deporting immigrants and give them a temporary work permit that expires in 2 years. He always pushes everything down the road until after the election, at which point he could go either way.
Now he has turned to lying in his ads, this really bothers me, because he doesn’t have to lower the Presidency to that level, there’s plenty of stuff to talk about with lying.
I know he says he has no control over these ads, but why can’t he just say they went too far, and disavow them?
Jill Stein is looking real good if you want to vote FOR someone instead of against someone. Go Green Party!!!
It’s not as if Obama’s word is gold. Candidate Obama says one thing and President Obama does another.
And who can forget this: Nancy Pelosi Says She’d Back Simpson-Bowles Plan (VIDEO)
Here is the roll call vote on NDAA.
As a Democrat who has never voted for a Republican (and never will), I can’t see voting for another Democrat again.
No it’s not how can you say that, this should read
Biden: “There will be no changes in Social Security until after the election then it’s serfs up you peons;)
Tellmewhy
I have little money but did send some Jills way and will be voting for the Green Party the rest of my life. Change has to start somewhere sometime.
Thanks for ndaa link my demdog voted aye, figures.
Obama’s broken promises on transparency. His war on whistleblowers.
Obama in his own words:
“Transparency Will Be Touchstone”
“On transparency”, “About inviting the people back into their government again”, and “Part of the job of the next American president is making Americans believe that our government is working for them, because right now they don’t feel like it’s working for them. They feel like it’s working for special interests and it’s working for corporations”
“We need a president who sees the government not as a tool to enrich well connected friends and high-priced lobbyists, but as a defender of fairness and opportunity for every single American. That’s what this country’s been about and that’s the kind of president I intend to be”
“Meetings where laws are written will be more open to the public, no more secrecy…..No more secrecy…..”
“Clintons did health care the wrong way, behind closed doors”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU0m6Rxm9vU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBtIKgGHYPQ
“The American people are the answer”
Obama’s Transparency Problem
US Drops Investigations of Goldman Sachs
sometime in the near future:
“did I say “no changes”?
gosh, I must have been tired that day. Sorry if anybody misunderstood.
At this point, I don’t see Democrats fulfilling any of their promises. Obama is the worst kind of con man politician. I see the Republicans winning this election and ending many welfare programs. If that’s going to happen, I was already planning to work until death anyway. I’d love to see one of the political parties destroyed, doesn’t matter which one anymore. They both consigned the US to second rate status.
If I had to explain Obama in a few words, it’s that he’s perfected the art of lawyer-speak (Bush-speak, only done without a team of speechwriters).
Here’s an example:
Note that Obama didn’t say that the job of the next American president is to get the government working for the people, but to make Americans believe that it is.
Big difference.
It’s not easy to catch when you’re watching him speak, but if you read or listen only it’s easier to catch. If we could train all voters to listen carefully to what politicians actually say instead of what voters think they said, we’d go a long way to getting the representation we want.
Even if Obama says he’ll protect Social Security, that’ll be the final nail in the coffin–considering that Obama has lied about most everything else.
Call the Obama campaign 312-698-3670
Ask: You want me to vote for Obama even though he…
Is trying to “reform” SS and Medicare?
Hasn’t put one criminal Wall Street banker in prison?
Never clawed back one bonus?
Is still waging “war” in Afghanistan?
Did nothing on global warming?
Is trying to sell us out with the Trans Pacific Partnership Trade agreement?
Did nothing to stop job outsourcing or create jobs in America?
Extended the Bush tax cuts for the rich?
Is making me buy junk health insurance from private bloodsucking health insurance companies?
Not going to happen. You sold us out Obama. You don’t get a second term to do it all over again.
8/10/2012
Federal Investigators Drop Investigation into Goldman Sachs, and Punt On Goldman Sachs Prosecutions
The corruption is systemic.
Oh well, Nov 3rd is open on my calender. It’s a win-win situation. At least one asshole will be defeated.
I think it is Nov 6th this year.
Some possibilities
1. They want to get re-elected. They’ll say anything to achieve that.
2. I don’t think “no changes” means what you think it means.
3. The enemy of my enemy may result in a temporary truce. My friend you are not.
4. His lips are moving.
5. This so they can blame congress, Bowles-Simpleton, Boner, or the Grinch
One day after Guy Fawkes. May they suffer the same fate as the Traitor Guy.
This is all posturing. Obama has had a lust for cutting ‘entitlements’ since the moment he took office. It will be a New Year’s Eve lame duck session just like NDAA, Obamacare and the Bushama Tax Cuts. It will come out of nowhere with a breakneck momentum: 67 for Medicare, 70 for SS and chained CPI.
It was Democrats who created it, so it will be Democrats that gut it.
I wonder if his after Presidency wealth is chained to how much he can get cut.
Wow only 5 web pages worth? I figure in print it would be thicker than the NYC phone book
It’s just the cliff notes.
The OBAMA problem everyone wants to ignore
Look at the Ohio Polls
PPP’s newest poll of Ohio finds Barack Obama with a narrow advantage in the state, at 48% to 45% for Mitt Romney
However
Senator Sherrod Brown leads challenger Josh Mandel by 12 points in new poll
Obama is only leading Romney by 3 points
Sherrod Brown is leading his challenger by 12 points
This means some Dems or Independents are not voting for OBAMA!
Obama better get out of Belt Way Group Think quickly, NO one likes your Grand Bargain OBAMA.
Obama better find away to talk like FDR and promise to do what FDR done, if not he may lose.
However, Dems may still win the House and Senate.
The paid seats on corporate boards will rival and surpass the Clintons’.
Did you know that from 2005 to 2007, while Michelle Obama was working for the University of Chicago Hospitals, she was paid more than $50k a year to sit on the board of TreeHouse Foods (junk, processed foods), a WalMart supplier?
It will be next to impossible for Dems to win the Senate unless the people are completely freaked out with the Republicans by Nov.
Yeah, the super rich give, so that they get.
Winning the senate will be easier to win then the house?
Why?
Obama will drive a lot minorities to the polls, thus making it easy for senators to win state wide elections
Don’t think so. Too many Ds are up for reelection compared to the number of Rs. An unhappy dissatisfied populace is going to swing the pendulum. They always do. They haven’t figured out yet they won’t get what they want from either party.
BULLSHIT!!!
This administration has done nothing but lie.
A revolution is coming.
Politifact has been discredited as a source for accurate, unbiased assessment. Politifact has gotten it wrong on Obama’s promisekeeping, on Halliburton, on war contracting, on Nita Lowey, on the Stupak Amendment, on the health care legislation, and more:
PolitiFact ‘s Truth-O-Meter in Need of Tune-Up
PolitiFact Embraces Equivocation, the Truth Gets Squeezed
PolitiFact Is Wrong About Nita Lowey: Abortion Coverage Could Become Rare With Stupak Amendment
PolitiFact gets it wrong on Jones
http://southdekalb.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/ajc-politifact-gets-it-wrong-on-jones/
Politifact’s way of keeping score is ‘misleading’ (a kind way of saying deceptive). Politifact only recognizes 81 broken promises and cuts Obama much slack.
Politifact has gamed its way of measuring Obama’s “promisekeeping”; its categories (‘NO ACTION’, ‘IN THE WORKS’, ‘STALLED’ or ‘NOT YET RATED’) are misleading. Many a campaign promise or pledge (hundreds of them) has been generously placed in these other categories to languish.
As Politifact claims, “Once we find action is completed, we rate them ‘PROMISE KEPT’ ‘COMPROMISE’ or ‘PROMISE BROKEN’”. By Politifact’s own definition, it enables Obama to keep these issues in limbo for 4 years. Hundreds of issues in limbo for 4 years.
Then there are the ‘memory hole’-promises that Politifact doesn’t even cite:
One of many promises Politifact doesn’t even list in its “Promises Broken” category Obama’s campaign promise to impose ‘Windfall Profits Taxes on the Oil and Gas Industry” – Obama immediately reneged on it once in office, saying, “The prices have now dropped – We’ll see about doing that if or when they rise again.” Oil hit over $80/barrel (the amount that, had Obama kept his promise, the windfall profits tax would have been triggered) many months ago. Politifact has conveniently ignored this issue.
my point exactly, the current electorate is anti incumbent, this time GOP gets to kick out.
this is a football game, i agree that both parties work for wall street
however, the GOP is still stuck on their 1964 southern strategy, which hurts them in national elections
My god.
If, on election night in 2008, someone had told me that near the end of Obama’s term, some liberals would be delighted at the “courage”, while his people grudgingly defended Social Security, I’d have told them they were lunatics.
Right, they are anti incumbent. There are way more Ds up for reelection in the Senate then Rs. Therefore Rs take the Senate.
I think the 100 year social experiment is over. I hope Obama, Reid and Peloski were paid well.
Reid and Pelosi will go to their graves thinking they helped “the people”.
Obama will laugh all the way to the cayman islands.
it will come down to turn out
cbs, abc, msnbc, fox, etc. are acting like espn
the GOP base is not big enough to win a high turnout election
if the dems win big with women, the gop is done
this is not 1950, most usa women are not married
dems will clean up with blacks and hispanics
dems are focusing on the women vote like a laser
The new voter suppression laws are going to give the Rs an advatage.
One million in PA alone. And most of those are in the cities that vote for Ds.
I think the Rs can cheat their way to victories in all three (WH, Senate and House).
Resistance is futile.
What you think are strengths are actually weaknesses.
Religion exploits the weaknesses to the GOP’s gain.
the GOP does not do all of the cheating, it is harder for GOPer to cheat than Dems
Dems control the cities, they can hide more votes, you can’t hide many votes in a town of 15 thousand people
Plus the CIA needs OBAMA ever heard of Africom?
the chinese are all over Africa, they need OBAMA face to kill more brown people and smile about it. Africa is the home of too many valuable resources to let the Chinese and Russians manage and run them.
Obama may have to cheat to win?
OHIO POLLS
Obama is only leading Romney by 3 points
Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown is leading his challenger by 12 points
It look like a lot of Dems are not voting for OBAMA, however they are voting for Sherrod Brown the Dem senator
the CIA and others manage and run the USA, there is no way, people in the Military Industrial Complex will leave their fate and the USA fate in the hands of the USA citizens, ask Eisenhower, JFK, FDR, etc.
both Dems and Gopers serve the same Masters, does it really matter? No
I just enjoy the Football aspects of USA elections.
Dems will probably surpress the ignorant and moronic GOP vote? you do know that a lot of GOPers are dumb, I mean very Dumb.
Ready?
you may see ADS like this on You Tube, “GOPers Don’t vote! South Carolina, ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI are leaving the UNION. By not voting you show them Yankees U don’t need them!”
why would the intelligent left, let FOX have all the fun laughing at the clowns in the GOP?
A lot of people believe that Erskine Bowles got thrown under the bus today by the Left not the Right.
I heard an interview yesterday on the Sean Hannity show of this guy who interviewed Obama’s half brother George in Africa (Kenya I believe). There is always so much lying on his show it’s hard to tell what’s true but it does seem that Obama has never given his African family any money at all. Can’t be good for public relations on the African continent.
Whomever TPTB can use the best to get what they want will win. That I agree.
And BTW, they just flip the vote if it isn’t going like they want it to.
point well taken that is why I am voting 3rd party..
Sorry, Mr. VP, but we’ve seen the administration’s track record on this issue. Empty words uttered on the campaign trail are not comforting.
Will Erskine Bowles be Our Next Treasury Secretary?
They’re both (Obama and Romney) pretty opaque. I rather doubt that calling them up is going to change this.
I’ve seen two schools of thought on the Obama/ Romney thing. One school argues that only with a Romney victory will the left organize in its own right rather than counting on Obama, and another school argues that only with an Obama victory will the left finally realize that Obama will do nothing for them.
“After flirting with private accounts, Paul Ryan left Social Security untouched in this year’s budget.”
Because the stage is still being set for this. The major hurdle to heading that direction of private accountswas overcome with the help of the Supreme Corp.
They’ve got everybody cheerleading for “mandated financial services” – precedent set by the ACA. It was NEVER just about health insurance.
Now they trot out familiar talking points – link and excerpt:
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/america-retirement-system-failing-us-economist-153445894.html
“Saving for retirement has become especially hard for many Americans who are struggling to pay everyday expenses. That’s why Ghilarducci wants to reform Americans’ approach to retirement. She advocates instituting mandatory retirement accounts for all Americans. These would be professionally managed with a guaranteed rate return and annuity payment. This mandated account would be a supplement — not a replacement — to Social Security and other private retirement accounts.
“People need to save a lot more,” she says. “Social security is a base but it’s not enough. I’m just advocating that people save more.”
GOTCHA SUCKERS!!!!!!!!
So they don’t have to do it now. They keep cutting the payroll tax, weaken SS, and the precendent is set to MAKE US CITIZENS put their money in investment ba-….CASINOS.
And people that can save are. They just don’t trust the financial sector. But don’t think the DC elite are concerned about citizens getting ripped off. The TBTF banks need propping up and they’ve got plans for perpetual war.
Here’s an interesting article regarding savers and how they feel about the financial sector:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/14/give-bernanke-a-pink-slip/
“Did you know that people are stuffing boatloads of money into their mattresses to avoid investing in the transparently rigged stock market? It’s true. Here’s the scoop from TrimTabs:
“TrimTabs Investment Research said today that inflows into checking and savings accounts are far outpacing inflows into all other major investment vehicles….
In a research note, TrimTabs explained that checking and savings accounts attracted a combined $356 billion in the first half of 2012, nearly double the inflow of $188 billion into bond mutual funds and exchange-traded funds….
“Inflows into savings accounts were consistently heavy—the flows weren’t just happening in one or two months,” noted Biderman. “Savings account inflows ranged from $30 billion to $90 billion in each of the first six months of this year.”
I hope Jon Walker covers this in one of his poll posts.
.Dems won in a lot of Red States in the wake of the Abramoff Scandal. I.e. Jon Tester over Conrad Burns in MT re: 2006
Shortly before his inauguration, Obama promised–PROMISED–to reform what he referred to as “entitlements.”
And you know what “reform” means nowadays. Like Bill Clinton “reformed” welfare, then his people bragged about having “ended welfare as we know it.”
I have been hoping that the Ryan budget would push the Democrats from right to left, but Obama’s campaign promises have fooled me before.
This time, my vote goes to Dr. Jill Stein.
I believe that her ideals and principles actually are more closely aligned with mine and not manufactured suddenly, and perhaps unreliably, to try to get votes.
Worst case, a good showing for her may make the other idiots think that the left is serious.
Is the left serious? This election will tell as no other has before it, IMO.
if the left is not serious, why the hell not?
Next Treasury Secretary will be Jamie Dimon. I am not joking
The GOP will never be gone, except in name.
Democrats have morphed into Republicans.
I don’t think so.
They know the people hate the Wall Street Banks.
The last thing they want is to shatter the illusions they depend on to run this country.
It would be a grave error for the elites like letting Romney be the R candidate is a grave error for them. They just don’t know it yet.
So what if they’re not? Is that your standard? Being “better” than Romney? Such high aspirations for our leaders…
and that’s good enough for you?
that we don’t know yet?
the fact that ‘we don’t know yet” is the answer…
Obama is a fraud.
Excuse me, but hasn’t the Obama Administration ALREADY proposed messing with Social Security?
Why, yes it has.
http://youtu.be/3gbZlhyPrUM
I do to
Obama has a big problem.
In Ohio a good amount of Dems are not voting for OBAMA
Obama is only leading Romney by 3 points
Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown is leading his challenger by 12 points
there is big difference between a 12 point lead and a 3 point lead.
I think other Dems running for Office need to stay clear of OBAMA.
The Obama team is hoping the low inform voters help them overcome the loss of the Intelligent Left, that hates OBAMA.
Terridi, I have to say that I agree with Margaret’s response to your comment that changes to Social Security are due to arrive no matter who sits in the Oval Office. I will be the first to admit that I no longer trust Obama. But my concern here is that your previous diary encouraging people to not vote showed such poor judgment that it negatively influences my view of your comments and the sources you site. You definitely have the right to espouse an unpopular view, and I support your freedom of speech, but that does not mean I have to take you seriously. If you would like to be taken seriously, it would be a good idea to provide some follw-up to your post re not voting. Your post disappeared abruptly yesterday. I didn’t know if you decided to take it down or if something else happened. If you changed your mind on the not voting topic, it is good to let people know that. I once wrote a post saying I was so angry at Obama that I would vote for Michele Bachmann. After comments at FDL, I followed up and changed it to I would write in someone like Bernie Sanders or Jill Stein. A blog or a diary is a place where you should feel free to explore your views and change them, and admit when you were wrong. If you want to be taken seriously, please tell us what happened re your post re not voting.
If then-VP Dan Quayle, and not George Bush, Sr., had said “Read my lips: no new taxes”, Bush could have raised taxes and still been elected to a second term.
These are not issues of what was said. They are issues of WHO said it.