Considering what we learned this morning, between Paul Ryan defending a third stimulus to extend unemployment and COBRA benefits and deliver cash payments in February 2002, when unemployment was at the astronomical 5.6%, and Ryan arguing for a bailout of the auto industry to save his hometown GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, perhaps we should not hype all these dire warnings about what a Mitt Romney Administration would do in office. Both parts of the ticket seem ideologically malleable enough to say one thing when the economy is in the hands of Democrats and do another when the responsibility falls to them. Still, we should probably take this statement from senior Romney advisor Ed Gillespie at face value:
On Fox News Sunday, Chris Wallace asked Romney senior adviser Ed Gillespie how the campaign would extend the life of the program if the Romney-Ryan reforms won’t kick in until 2023, long after Medicare reached insolvency. Gillespie replied by insisting that a Romney administration would raise the age eligibility to 67:
WALLACE: But the problem is, those reforms don’t kick in until 2023. It doesn’t affect any seniors or anybody close to being a senior. But that doesn’t solve the Medicare part A problem which kicks in in 2016. What are you going to do to keep solvent between 2016, after you have repealed Obamacare, and 2023?
GILLESPIE: Governor Romney supports increasing over time bringing Medicare eligibility in line with the Social Security retirement age … The Congressional Budget Office says assumptions about the Medicare trust fund being solvent through 2024 under the Obamacare proposal is unrealistic.
This is the action that gets the Romney campaign out of the box where it has confined themselves. They have said that they would entertain no Medicare changes for current or near-retirees. But with no changes, and indeed with the repeal of the Affordable Care Act, the Medicare trust fund runs out of money in 2016, at which point you have to make a number of drastic changes because otherwise your spending authority runs out. So in exchange for giving more subsidies to Medicare Advantage, and more payments to hospitals and health care providers who already voluntary gave them back in the ACA deal for more covered customers, Romney would have to do something like increase the eligibility age, and do it sometime in the first term.
The Obama Administration is not just an imperfect but an impossible messenger for the proposition that this is a horrible idea, since during the debt limit negotiations, the President proposed it. But let’s briefly recap why this would be terrible. You would actually raise costs in all insurance risk pools by increasing the eligibility age. Moving 65 and 66 year-olds off Medicare would mean that the younger senior citizens would phase out of the Medicare risk pool, making that a sicker population, and that those 65 and 66 year-olds would phase into the individual and group market pools, making THAT a sicker population, too. As a result, health care costs would rise across the board, far more than the savings to the federal government. Individuals would pay for those savings, and the health care system as a whole would end up more expensive. In addition, this would of course be a nightmare for 65 and 66 year-olds, many of whom would find themselves unable to access coverage in those years. They would probably delay necessary medical treatments until they reach Medicare-eligible age, making those treatments more costly to the government. And because of the trust fund issue, this would simply have to happen right away.
I’m perfectly willing to believe that Romney and Ryan are frauds on fiscal policy, and would put in some kind of tax-cut stimulus immediately to boost demand. But if they hold to giving back the Medicare savings, which they’ve now signaled very loudly they would, they would have to come up with some alternative method to extend the life of the trust fund. And increasing the eligibility age is the only policy they’ve proposed.





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What stops the Administration and its spokes-persons from pointing out that the Romney/Ryan Medicare Plan focuses on preservation of the for-profit insurance industry, instead of healthcare?
A more jaded person would believe that they shared this interest in putting the insurance industry’s interests at the fore – and leave the hindmost for the rest of us.
laurastrand,
“What stops the Administration and its spokes-person from pointing out that the Romney/Ryan Medicare Plan focuses on preservation of the for-profit insurance industry, instead of healthcare?”
A very good point! I hope someone is listening to you. Maybe if the seniors would be made to see that Ryan/Romney are all in for saving the for-proit insurance industry, they would understand Ryan/Romney goals better.
Nah, that would be too easy.
I keep thinking of the phrase “We had to kill it in order to save it…”
The Federal government pays bills with keystrokes. Federal spending is not limited by tax revenues. Federal spending is not limited by trust funds. Congress may impose artificial limits on spending, like the debt ceiling, but the only economic limit on spending is demand-pull inflation, which we haven’t had since the 1950′s.
When you accept the conservative framing of the issue, as David Dayen has done, then you automatically lose the argument.
Money is no object. We could and should pay for health care with keystrokes.
*If* we ever get past that mental hurdle, the real limitation on health care services will be resouces — the number of doctors, the number of nurses, the number of hospitals, etc.. So if we were smart — ha ha ha — we’d have a national plan to figure out how many doctors and nurses and hospitals we should have and go about creating them.
Both Romney and Obama are frauds on fiscal policy, you got that right. One would push for raising the eligibility age and the other would negotiate it upwards, big difference. Get ready for the inexorable continued upward wealth transfer, no matter who gets elected.
‘scuse me….. but didn’t Obama sell out the “public option” in order to “preserve” the private insurance industry (and the moneys they would give him for his second term?)
I loathe them all. Truly. No one has yet given me any reason to root for Obama … no matter how hideous Romney/Ryan is.
None of the plans, under consideration and enacted as ACA will work. As long as the needs of sick people are considered and treated as commodities to be plundered for a rake off for private industry of about a third people are going to die from limiting benefits to assure private profit. All the while destroying the middle class and its ability to even pay co-pays.
If they don’t like Medicare, they REALLY hate Medicaid
I believe the Mafia took over the insurance industry in the 70′s
@Dearie, I can give you two words as a reason to root for Obama: Supreme Court.
It was a reverse takeover. The Mafia had management talent the financial industry needed.
Acquiring a controlling interest in gambling, blow and hookers was a side benefit to the extortion and money laundering.
It was a melding of the Mafia and the Banksters. The Banksters were laundering the Mafia’s dough and they became one.
and you are so impressed with his picks so far because why????
Wonderful. Why don’t you raise the retirement and medicare age up to 100 so you can give all those monies to the 1%, too?
So the voters should be held hostage for a possible Supreme Court nominee that the Republicans would never approve and Obama will withdraw in Elizabeth Warren fashion?
Good idea, I’m sure you could easily get bi-partisan support for such a change. Medicare would be preserved and as a side benefit bankruptcy lawyers would do really well. Seniors would need to be redefined as anyone over 99.
i continue not to understand anyone in this fray….
the solution is very simple. take the earnings caps off fica. it solves most of the funding problems. forever.
and then, let us force the pols to deal with the other issue, the usa’s medical establishment extorts more money from the citizenry than any other industrial country. and provides a lower level of successful care.
how about we dismantle the military-industrial complex, repudiate our bipolar desire to rule the planet, and restore the gifts of health and freedom to the citizenry of the usa.
you got it, albert. Now, do you know anyone in the White House or Out House who will listen to you.
We are approaching the Hilarity Zone…..
They want to not fix it so they can shred it.
Don’t vote vote any incumbent. Period.
once upon a time, in another era, i did know individuals in the usg.
and i was judged by them to be an unruly iconoclast.
still am. always will be.
and i reiterate, what i find to be so discouraging is that there is no one in the congress, or at any level in this society, that seems to be able to reveal truths. it is as if everyone is caught up in some computerized fantasy game instead of real life.
i have been undergoing some physical therapy for many months, my therapist and i became unusually close. she is a wonderfully life-giving, caring woman.
at the end of our last session, after hours of what can only be described as remarkable conversations concerning history, politics, classical music, she told me that i should be a history professor.
my reply was that, yes, i could do that, but that what i see as my calling were i to sell my business, triumph over stage 4 cancer, would be to go to the harvard div school and acquire pastoral credentials.
since i am rarely viewed as a religious individual, this took her by surprise[she is conventionally religious]. so, she questioned me…
i responded by telling her that over my lifetime[1947-?] the clergy had abdicated its moral authority. that i grew up in the era of bill coffin and martin king, where the christian pulpit was a loudspeaker of morality, joshua’s messages.
but that over the last 30-40 years, the purported christian clergy seemed to prefer the old testament over the new: the vengeful god of the talmud as opposed to the redemptive god of whom joshua spoke.
though unfrocked, chris hedges[educated at the harvard divinity school, by the way] seems to be the only pastor that i recognize as a truth teller.
and his experiences suggest that there may be a more effective way to seize the mind and imagination of the electorate. i think that all of us who oppose the runaway homicidal mania that is afflicting the usa might want to consider establishing congregations, embracing our visions of joshua’s message.
and who knows, there just might be millions out there who feel this way. and can find no shelter. and want one.
in my view, bill coffin and martin king changed the usa. for the better. but in the war between good and evil, evil retaliated. satan’s myrmidons, dickem cheney, the bushies, barry obombya, bill clinton, et alia have reversed those victories. the citizenry became convinced that mammon is a benign god. and that mammon was the god of this nation’s founders. worshipping mammon has become the national religion.
as i see it, the only way to reverse this is to culture a new perception of religion, one based on the new, not the old, testament.
Justice Sotomayor on Citizens United, Sotomayor and Kagan on ACA.
Medicare?! We don’t need no stinkin’ Medicare!
The Supreme Court appointments are not my only reason for voting for Obama, but if you have to pick which hostage situation you prefer, the alternative for me is the privatization of Medicare.