I got into a little Twitter spat today with Michael Grunwald over this story about short-term austerity measures at the federal level. One point I want to emphasize; when the Obama Administration touts that spending and the deficit are smaller, they are taking it from a timeline that begins when they enter office, i.e. before passage of the stimulus. So it’s not correct to say, as Grunwald did at one point, that 2010 spending went down just because 2009 spending went up from the stimulus. At the end of the day, spending has gone down from a pre-stimulus baseline. And fiscal policy at the federal level has dragged on growth since mid-2010. These are inescapable realities.
That’s about all I want to get into with that discussion until I actually read the book. But before that point, we can mutually agree that the pro-austerity rhetoric emanating from the Obama Administration has been corrosive. And despite signs that, after the unpopular debt limit deal, the President put such rhetoric in his hip pocket, sadly that’s not at all true. Witness him today in his impromptu press conference:
Still, the biggest thing Congress could do for the economy is to reach a deal on “a sensible approach” to reducing the deficit, he said. Obama specifically urged congressional leaders to revisit the revenues and spending cuts that were on the table during last year’s negotiations on the debt.
“I continue to be open to seeing Congress approach this with a balanced plan that has tough spending cuts, building on the $1 trillion worth of spending cuts we’ve already made, but also asks for additional revenue from folks like me, folks in the top 1 or 2 percent.”
That would give more “certainty” to families and small businesses.
Welcome back, confidence fairy!
“The $1 trillion in spending cuts we’ve already made,” also typically ignored by those who want to say that Obama out-foxed Boehner in the debt limit deal, refers to the spending cap, which will starve federal investment for the next ten years. But the clear point made here is that $1 trillion is not enough for this President. He still seeks that grand bargain where token revenue increases are exchanged for “tough spending cuts.” This is still part of the agenda even in an election year. That it comes after Joe Biden made a guarantee about holding harmless Social Security is all the more disconcerting.
Digby references a recent campaign spot – from before Paul Ryan joined the ticket – to emphasize this point.
I don’t have a clue how to stop this train. Having the zombie eyed granny starver on the ticket hasn’t changed their view that the Grand Bargain to slash 4 trillion in government programs in the middle of an epic slump is still great policy and even better politics. But don’t worry. They’ll ask millionaires to “pay a little more” so it’s all good. I’m feeling more “confident” already.
Basically we have a choice between the Republican dystopian hellscape or the Democrats’ long slow jobless recovery with even more insecurity for the poor and middle class. Or actually, it’s more likely to be a “compromise” between the two. After all, these are the opening bids.
I don’t think this is totally inevitable; I think there are opportunities to wiggle out of this relatively unscathed. But one overlooked part of all this is that oftentimes, budget cuts and grand bargains like this don’t happen because a very vocal minority makes it toxic for them to happen. Then they get told “see, there was never anything to worry about, you didn’t have to shout,” when the shouting helped stop the plan from taking effect. It’s a thankless job, alas, but someone has to do it.




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We’ve been shouting for seven years, through petitions & web comments, through DFA and MoveOn, PCCC and ActBlue and the Great Orange Satan, CREDO and NPA and Change dot Org (rough chronological order). Is it going to be enough this time, when a re-elected Democrat preznit decides to be the biggest asshole in the country and lead the campaign to fuck up Social Security?
I ask because, at age 60, I don’t think I can keep shouting like this for more than another ten or fifteen years.
Obama’s “desires” are not anything that rational and reasonable people wish for … who could have imagined?
What a lousy sense of timing this Grand, Bargaining, pusillanimous fabulist has.
He ought to at least have the basic decency to NOT maunder on about bipartisan screwing … until AFTER the erection.
He is SO post-political … that he ought to be …
Ah, well … there ain’t no alternative … is there?
More of THIS same is getting very lame … however.
DW
Can we please shrink the confidence fairy until it’s small enough to drown in the bathtub?
BTW, what does this “Reiteration” do to the pledge that Joe Biden made the other day?
You’d think someone in the media might ask that question of Obama … or Biden.
Out of idle curiosity … even.
Of course, they are politicians … so … and so … on …
What do you think, David, will Biden have to “walk it back”?
Or, will Obama “clarify”?
Or, will folks just “believe” whatever they want to believe?
Or … well?
DW
At least Romney has promised not to cut Social Security for 10yrs. Obama has basically just announced he will be willing to use Social Security cuts as a bargaining chip to get the Republicans to agree to a grand bargain as soon as he is re-elected.
Funny we could vote for Romney twice, wait eight years then re-elect someone else who will be opposed to Social Security cuts.
That’s basically what has happened for Republicans who wanted to extend the Bush tax cuts, as long as Obama is in office the cuts keep getting extended.
Again, there is very little difference between O and R – - – vote 3rd party!!
“Welcome back, confidence fairy!”
We’re doomed.
We’ve been shouting for seven years, through petitions & web comments, through DFA and MoveOn, PCCC and ActBlue and the Great Orange Satan, CREDO and NPA and Change dot Org (rough chronological order).
Sadly, most of the organizations you’ve cited have been captured by the mandarins of the Democratic Party and might as well be subsidiaries of Organizing for America.
Obama has managed to silence just about all dissent within the Democratic Party. He lost my vote long ago; the only question is which third-party candidate I vote for.
That does it. I’m back to voting blank.
Ii get the feeling that there is very little communication between Biden and Obama, that Biden has little, if any, influence in Obama’s inner circle, and that Biden (who has far better political instincts than Obama) must resort to public statements to try to influence the administration.
as glenn ford has said over and over and over ad nauseum, Obama is by far the more effective evil. He is who he is.
Fractal – I haven’t a freaking clue what is going to get the blob of the mob off their f’kign couches to AT LEAST vote the sell out scum of the Democratic party off the island –
I’m 52, the depredations under RayGun SHOULD have been enough. I honestly see no hope until 0bummer & his sell out scum kick medicare and SS eligibility to … 69? 77? 88?
Like you, how many years left do I have left where I’m not using a drool cup, where I can yell? I honestly think the faster it gets worse, the better the chance of firing up the mob of blobs and getting good policy –
after 8 POTUS elections of checking off Dim-0-crap so I can get sold out, this year I’m voting “medicare forall”, PROUDLY – screw the whole lot of them. at least with Romney-Raygun-Newt-Cheney, I got what I expected – lying goddam thieves, and, I did NOT vote for them! the whole 0bummer-rahm-arne-clinton-kerry-cantwell crowd can go fuck themselves.
rmm.
Obama works for the 1%, most particularly for the Banks & Wall St. Obama isn’t working for peon serf 99%ers. What you see is what you get.
Obama promised pretty much the same thing, only he said he’d NEVER cut it. I remember Obomber making LOADS and STACKS of pretty
lies“promises” during his campaign. Can you name just one “promise” that Obummer kept?I can’t think of one…
Trust RMoney?? Not me. That’s just campaign speech for the rubes.
The problem for the Administration is that some of voters aren’t distracted by melodrama (Akin) being the key difference between the Parties and don’t believe that anyone to the political left of Otto von Bismark owe their support for a candidate or party to the right of Bismark.
Consider the possibility of how well an actual opposition party could do if one were allowed.
If he wants a “grand” bargain with the GOP, we might as well vote for Romney/Ryan and cut out the middle man.
All this crap has made fertile ground for 3rd party growth.
If Stein and Rocky could unite, we might have something.
Meantime it’s just a hellbound train.
This is Obama’s answer to Biden. “No. I have a different position than my Vice-President. I am ready to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in a Grand Bargain.”
What fascinates me in the fierce unbelief of those who want to believe that he won’t betray Democrats on these programs which we all support and which President Obama, no longer supports and protects. He doesn’t want to strengthen Social Security, he wants to cut it!
“Look! look over there at those pesky Republicans!” isn’t going to distract us anymore.
Obama usually does the opposite of what he says he wants.
So maybe Biden is right./s
I'm feeling really conspiracy-minded today.
If Romney wins, the tax cuts will probably be made permanent. However, if Obama is elected, then we get a guaranteed 4 more years of
BushObama tax-cuts, and a possible dismantling of Social Security and Medicaid in the spirit of bipartisan compromise too boot.There's nothing more Sensible and Serious™ than haggling with thieves to trade your daughter and your purse, if you only may keep your son.
Win-win!
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“who is that man behind the curtain?”
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time to can the corporate coddling class & find your brother in every man …
time to lend a hand
Dude….they’re wearin’ me out too. I was SOOOO encouraged in 2008 when he won with all he promised to do. Now, I am so disappointed I’m voting Jill Stein here in Texas just to showe him and the democratic party. And every democrat in a red state should do the same.
My thought, too.
Tell Obama regarding the 16 trillion dollar debt:
Get your rich criminal friends to pay it off because WE WON’T PAY!!!
I agree with all those who think O intends to cut entitlement programs, and that he will offer a GB to the Rs if he wins. However, what I think this means is that we have to try to get our Congresspeople and Senators to make hard commitments to vote against any GB and any cuts to entitlements at all. When we do this we have to able to say that there is not debt/deficit problem either short-term or long.
I’ve been blogging about that ad nauseum and ad infinitum here and am getting some support in comments. But, what I’m not getting is statements of the position in other blogs and in comments on posts like this one.
It’s not enough to complain about O. Nor is it enough to even to complain to Congresspeople. We also need to have an alternative position that challenges what the President and the austerians have to say. We have to be able to credibly tell our Congresspeople that we know what they are saying is BS and that we will hold them responsible if they vote for the destructive and irrational position of the President and the beltway deficit terrorists. Here’s my latest post on this subject with special reference to SS.
Why not do it? Here’s the easy way it can be done, complete with framing for a political campaign supporting it!
How the f*ck does less opportunity, deflation, and shrinking incomes in this economic climate give more “certainy” to the middle-class, poor familes, and small businesses. Typical Obama bullsh*t and taken straight from a right-wing talking point.
Obama will get it done in the lame duck session if he loses. Just like Obamacare, the Bushama Tax Cuts and NDAA.
If he loses, he won’t have any hold on the Ds in Congress who didn’t lose. And the ones who did may place considerable blame for their loss on him. If he loses, I don’t think anything will get done in the lame duck. Our problem will be if he wins.
@lets. My head totally agrees with your insights into prognosticating the lame duck session. But my heart says Obama has a unique skill in snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. And he really wants cuts to ‘entitlements’