The specter of Todd Akin, which has hovered around the GOP for a full week, has struck again. This time, Tom Smith, a first-time candidate for US Senate in Pennsylvania, who will probably lose his race to the well-situated Bob Casey, has been nicked. Smith was asked about the rape exception for abortions, and he gave this extremely clumsy response.
Mark Scolforo, Associated Press: How would you tell a daughter or a granddaughter who, God forbid, would be the victim of a rape, to keep the child against her own will? Do you have a way to explain that?
Smith: I lived something similar to that with my own family. She chose life, and I commend her for that. She knew my views. But, fortunately for me, I didn’t have to.. she chose they way I thought. No don’t get me wrong, it wasn’t rape.
Scolforo: Similar how?
Smith: Uh, having a baby out of wedlock.
Scolforo: That’s similar to rape?
Smith: No, no, no, but… put yourself in a father’s situation, yes. It is similar. But, back to the original, I’m pro-life, period.
[Another question on an unrelated topic]
John Micek, Morning Call: Mr. Smith, can I ask you to clarify one more time the question that Mark asked you. Did I just hear you say that having a child out of wedlock is analogous to rape?
Smith: No, I did not say that.
Scolforo: You did say that.
Micek: But you did say it, sir.
(Noise as a Smith campaign aide sought to answer, but Scolforo insisted Smith answer).
Scolforo: But you did say that.
Smith: I said I went through a situation.
Scolforo: With your daughter, with a daughter.
Smith: Yes.
Scolforo: OK.
Smith: And it’s very, very difficult. But do I condone rape? Absolutely not. Do I propose life? Yes I do. I’m pro-life, period.
Smith denying what he said minutes earlier to a room full of reporters was probably a bad idea.
Obviously, comparing having a child out of wedlock, presumably willingly, to a rape is pretty awful. But even if Smith somehow found a more elegant way of explaining this, the underlying policy preference is exactly the same as Akin – banning abortion in all cases. I think all this talk about rape exceptions, and the resultant outrage when anti-choice conservatives inevitably say something completely insensitive relating to it, obscures the bigger point here. It’s not even clear how you would structure a rape exception. Unless there’s incontrovertible evidence of a rape adjudicated quickly, within a couple months, I don’t see how you could even definitively grant that exemption. Wouldn’t the offering of the exemption in time to have a legal abortion trample on the rape suspect’s due process rights? Dylan Matthews had a decent piece on this.
I understand the argument that focusing on the most extreme examples exposes the anti-choice movement’s rigid ideological worldview. But so does focusing on an abortion ban, period. The rationale for such a ban is inevitably one of control over women’s bodies and women’s decisions. You don’t actually need to make that too much more extreme than it already is. Tom Smith got tripped up because he’s an insensitive man. But that’s pretty clear from the preference for banning a legal medical procedure, and imposing his will on how women should choose to conduct themselves over theirs. I’m generally uncomfortable with focusing on the rape exception because it frames the argument as about how some people are more deserving of being allowed to have an abortion than others.




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What, no rec button?
Must be hard to have two left feet and both of them are in your mouth. They just can’t seem to stop themselves from digging.
The Bible explains this all fairly clearly in Deuteronomy 22: 28,29. If the rapist pays the victim’s father 50 shekels, which is about $500 today, and agrees to marry his victim, it’s all Hunky Dory according to The Lord Our God.
Rape doesn’t have to be a crime, you know. If Churches would simply have the courage of their convictions and do more to help victims marry their rapists, this would all be a non-issue.
Casey, of course, holds views on abortion not substantially different from Smith’s.
But hey, Lily Ledbetter!1!
Jebus Gawd. I hate these pompous stupid tweets. They are scared of and hate women. I mean, really, people-get a fucking grip. And ladies, if you are married to these dickweeds, stop having sex with them. The last thing we need is a satisfied dickweed. They need to learn humility and respect for women and black presidents. And yes, I think the fact that we have a black president has created a sense in these nimrods of a total lack of control.
We need to push back hard. The word Feminist with a capital F should be in the forefront of our speech. They are going to start killing women for having been raped. Sound extreme? “Not even if the life of a raped mother is at stake.”
Son of a bitch.
I’m going to repeat a story, skip on down the thread if you wish.
My dear Roman Catholic friend (I’m a fallen-away) and I discussed this issue and she said that if her daughter were raped and impregnated at, say, 13, the girl would have that ‘gift’…. and then they’d give the infant up for adoption. I said, “But, but that’s your grandchild!” “No…. we wouldn’t have wanted that one.”
Thus spoke religion.
Carry on.
The real idiocy here, misunderstood by everyone I’ve heard talk today about the false equivalency, is that the Congressman’s feelings are irrelevant, since the out-of-wedlock pregnancy — or the rape he feels is the same — did not, and could not, happen to HIM.
You see, comrade, there are righteous female compradors and falangists. Any oppression they suffer shall be cast tenfold upon the ungawdly.
They don’t share your identity politics.
Sing it Lysistrata! Cut them off. Or, like Lorena Bobbitt, cut it off.
Bedtime: so sweet if he doesn’t know what to expect…
Being from the deep south sort of gives me an edge on wanting to fuck these idiots up.
Well, thank goodness Mother Mary was more forgiving.
Here’s a clue:
If you don’t have a vagina, you should STFU. Mkay?
I am not!
Yeah, I like fairy tales, too.
Do you take donations?
having a vagina ain’t all its cracked up to be. (joke)
I found out today that I have cervical cancer, in situ. So, my attitude is odd.
Like stepping in that one pile of camel dung while…. Walking, after being, stranded in the desert?
Like stepping in the one “cow flop” in the middle of the field?
Like stopping out the flame engulfed burning bag of stuffed tissue and “doggy dung” on your front door stoop. Then tracking it into your bedroom….
What are too left feet good for?
Oh hunny ((((Senator!))))
Oh, marymac………..kick its butt, too!
Mary!!!
You can give that up, right? Like just, you know?
Oh, Honey.
Oo, talk saucy to me, baby.
Oh (((sweetie)))! Hang in there. You got a lot of folks pulling for you.
(emphasis supplied)
He didn’t have to do what? Damn chilling.
Ooops. My condolences.
He didn’t have to lock her in the basement until god’s will was cooked and delivered. Amen.
Mary, Margaret is absolutely correct.
You have a beautiful, supportive family. Ron, the girls and their families and everyone here.
And, don’t forget that you are one fabulous surviving spirit!
“Ooops” indeed…
Whaddya mean, Mahgret?
Yeah I believe Casey was one of the douches that voted for Partial Birth ban.
Then there’s this during the health debates:
Casey’s statement, while promising, does not guarantee that the Senator won’t vote for a bill that includes stricter abortion restrictions. During the Health, Labor, Education and Pensions Committee’s (HELP)’s mark-up, Casey provided the only Democratic vote to at least four anti-choice amendments, all of which ultimately failed. One such amendment — offered by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) — closely resembled the Stupak provision.
Seems like Pennsylvania is in the same boat Virginia is. There are no pro choice choices on the ballot.
It’s particularly sick when you think of a 13 year old. Basically what they are saying is compete with a fetus for the vitamins and nutrients essential for you to continue growing.
Sorry I didn’t respond sooner. A neighbor came over. I will be fine. It is in situ. that means it is the best worst news you can have. I will have a hysterectomy and go on with my life. The biggest issue is having had cancer twice before (both in situ) and remaining sane.
good point! people so blithely say “exception for rape, incest, the health of the woman” with no thought as to how any of these exceptions would play out in the real world. as an example, i had breast cancer when i was 25 and i was told that it was too risky to have a baby. i took a risk and had one child but when i accidentally got pregnant again (even though i was using birth control)i decided i would not push my luck and also that it was not fair to the child i had if he was left motherless. now, tell me, how would someone (and who would that someone be?) decide if my situation fit under an exception for a life-threatening pregnancy? of course some people don’t want women to make their own decisions about what risk they want to take.
So sorry you have to go through this. We’re here for you.
What part don’t you understand? You said “Ooops” and I added “indeed”. Leaving “ooops” aside for a moment, “indeed” is a member word of the English language. If you are unclear on the meaning, then I suggest a dictionary.
You’re not going to drag me into a fight if that’s what this is.
Goodnight.
I keep thinking of all the women (and children) Obama has slaughtered through his wars of choice and aggression…
or the “freedom fighter” rapists, from our side, in Libya…
but hey, look over there Todd Akin, Tom Smith!!!!
who?…
everything is relative. you are right.
I resent being told that MY rights are less important than the rights of others in other countries.
As if oppression is so much better if you aren’t experiencing it in a third world country.
You haven’t learned to take your proper shaming from your moral betters. Tsk tsk. /snark
I hope they are able to get it. I had an abnormal pap and they removed part of mine because the lesions were precancerous.
Now I’ve got twin fibroids growing in my uterus that they are recommending I have a hysterectomy for. But first I would get to play Russian Roulette with my migraines so they can shrink them(needless to say I’m hesitant to go this route.)
So I can completely relate to your whole “having female organs can suck” mentality.
I have to believe that Smith’s daughter must be mortified by now, having her father drag her into this “debate” so callously.
Hope ya don’t wake up on the wrong side of the bed.
Smith is a self absorbed douchebag. His daughter faced a decision that probably WAS difficult but all this douchebag could think about was how her pregnancy made HIM look and how HE felt about it.
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2012/08/27/tom-smith-clarifies-rape-is-only-like-having-a-baby-out-of-wedlock-to-fathers/
Feministe does a pretty good takedown of him.
When you consider the long term implications of any statement likely to wind up on the Internet..my heart is heavy over this.