
The morning of the inaugural (WH photo by Pete Souza)
The big news in that AP interview with President Obama over the weekend comes in this exchange, from the transcript (and let me add parenthetically that transcripts to major interviews like this should be a prerequisite for news organizations, and I’m glad AP supplied one).
Q. But, I mean, I can certainly see Republicans, led by Speaker Boehner, saying the same thing—the American people voted, we’re back in power, too. They’re not going to change their position on taxes, on climate change, on immigration. So I mean, if you could—if I could just push a little further on that, how do you see that dynamic changing?
Obama: Well, look, there are some proposals that they put forward that we’re not going to compromise on because I believe it would be bad for the country and bad for middle-class families.
I don’t think it would be a good idea to pursue an approach that voucherizes Medicare and raises taxes on middle-class families to give wealthy individuals a tax break. So if that’s the mandate that Republicans receive, then there’s still going to be some serious arguments here in Washington.
But what I’m offering the American people is a balanced approach that the majority agrees with, including a lot of Republicans. And for me to be able to say to the Republicans, the election is over; you no longer need to be focused on trying to beat me; what you need to be focused on and what you should have been focused on from the start is how do we advance the American economy—I’m prepared to make a whole range of compromises, some of which I get criticized from the Democratic Party on, in order to make progress. But we’re going to need compromise on your side as well. And the days of viewing compromise as a dirty word need to be over because the American people are tired of it.
You don’t have to think very hard to connect this to a series of comments and specific actions on the economy, specifically on the budget and on social insurance programs, to know where Obama is headed with this. We know the “range of compromises.” They include increases to the Medicare eligibility age, and changes to the COLA that calculates Social Security benefits (unless Joe Biden was speaking for the Administration when he said there would be no changes to that program).
Obama has ads running touting this “balanced approach.” He speaks about it in press conferences and interviews. He thinks the fact that he doesn’t get enough credit for a willingness to cut Social Security and Medicare in a deal like this represents one of the greatest frustrations of his Presidency.
I don’t know if the President actually believes that Republicans will suddenly come back to the table when the election ends in the spirit of compromise and teamwork, or if it’s just campaign rhetoric. But when you shout from the rooftops about a grand bargain for years – indeed, from the very beginning of your Presidency – I tend to believe your intentions there. In fact, the only hope to stop this kind of program from going through, it seems to me, remains the continued stubbornness of conservatives to resist piddling tax increases in exchange for the constraints on social insurance. And the “great debate” that we’re supposed to be having in this election is really a relatively narrow debate, between radically transforming a set of social programs, and just cutting them. An entire other set of alternatives gets marginalized.
Corey Robin had a great explanation for this on Up with Chris Hayes Sunday. He said that for years, Republicans ran on balancing budgets, and that merely made them the “tax collectors for the welfare state.” Now the parties have flipped. Democrats run on balancing the budget, and in so doing become the austerity promoters for the starve-the-beast state. They run as the “responsible adults” cleaning up the messes of previous years. But this significantly constrains the traditional Democratic platform; in fact, it makes such a platform impossible. And until this reverses, you’re not going to see a lot of advancement of a progressive economic policy.
There actually is such a thing. But this obsession with deficits, and more importantly with acting like the adult in the room, is killing Democratic appeal to voters. The party of “eat your peas” is not an attractive party. It may succeed when the other party is composed of barking maniacs. But it simple won’t succeed on its own terms. What’s more its economics are completely mismatched to the time period, presaging a protracted slowdown.




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“I’m prepared to make a whole range of compromises” Bien sur. But of course he is.
David:
Has anyone ever asked the President why he has such a woody for Pete Peterson? Also, does he really think raising the Medicare eligibility age is a political winner? I wish someone would ask these questions.
I’ve always imagined the bulk of O’s base consisting of boxers and wrestlers, and always angry. They aren’t known to compromise, and would rather go down fighting.
So what does O think he’s going to gain by making nice with right wingers?
Obama has been doing this since day one – irrespective of who controls Congress. “Compromise” is just his code word for delivering to his corporate buddies, but trying to give himself cover while doing so.
No. Is compromise still the same as conceding, Mr Obama? No. You’ve made up my mind for me, and I’ll take my chances with Ron Paul…at least he’ll get us out of war. I am sick of this.
He’s only pretending to make nice with right wingers when what he’s really doing is making nice with corporate lobbyists – like how he did with gutting smog regulations and any of a number of things. Just look at how he handed over the White House economics position formerly held by Volker and instead gave it to GE because what’s good for GE is good for the US /s
Shorter D-Day:
The President promises to sell us out to the One Percent.
“…he doesn’t get enough credit for a willingness to cut Social Security and Medicare …”
Does he really think anybody voted for this 4 years ago? I think he is delusional. There is no “base” for these policies beyond his 1% buddies.
If he wanted “credit” he should have focused on fulfilling the expectations of the people who voted for him.
My contempt for this man-child president has no bounds except I hold the modern democrat party (emphasis mine) in lower contempt.
Bunch of spineless weasels.
Obama is the symptom of a bigger problem: the Democratic Party has become hostile toward its own base.
So was Neville Chamberlain.
Of course, he’s prepared for compromise. He’s had plenty of practice.
Obama: “I’m prepared to make a whole range of compromises”.
Thank you president Obama for reminding Americans of who you are. For a couple of weeks or so, soem of us had forgotten that you had no convictions, no principles and no feelings other than to continue favoring the wealthy and the corporations on the backs of the middle class. You would have been the perfect Republican candidate. All talk of compassion for the middle class but when it comes of action, then it is so easy to blame Bush for everything.
David. Can we run you for Congress?
“I’m prepared to make a whole range of compromises.”
And for those of us paying attention, Obama doesn’t compromise, he capitulates. “Compromise” requires getting something you want in return.
isn’t it clever how he accepts the right wing framing of blaming the deficit in the 1% caused crash, AND, holding ‘accountable’ us know no bodies for that deficit?
I have a NEW tax Law: Over $250,000 pays 60% for EVERY kind of money making, no deductions, OR, you get a 1 way ticket to Somalia.
ta da.
dday – maybe 0bummer lying bullshit is NOT attractive to workign stiffs cuz workign stiffs know we didn’t wreck the economy, we know the greedy rich pigs wrecked the economy with their pyramids, pyramid schemes and ponzi schemes, and we know the rich pigs are getting off scott free while we’re getting screwed.
BTW – screw 0bummer and his lessor of two evils ploy – isn’t it interesting that 0bummer’s only HOPE is how bat shit crazy the fascists are? yawn.
rmm.
I’ve been trying to figure that out, and the best I can come up with is that a group of fat cats led by Robert Rubin and his Hamilton project recruited Obama to run for president in late 2005 or early 2006. Rubin was Obama’s chief economic adviser during the campaign and the transition. As a result, Obama’s economic team was dominated by Rubinites.
Pete Peterson and Rubin appear to be good friends and serve on the boards of directors of each other’s think tanks. And, in fact, shortly after Obama took office, Rubin and Peterson were seen having lunch with Tim Geithner, presumably giving him his marching orders.
Four days before his inauguration, Obama told the Washington Post that he wanted to make entitlement reform a hallmark of his presidency. And, shortly after taking office he announced a fiscal-responsibility summit with Peterson to be one of the keynote speakers. Democratic leaders went through the roof, and Peterson was dropped from the agenda.
Soon thereafter Obama made multiple unsuccessful attempts to get Congress to establish a Catfood Commission, and finally announced it as a Presidential commission at his 2010 State-of-the-Union Address.
Jane Hamsher did a good job of tracking this stuff, and I suspect she could provide additional details.
Others have beat me to it.
Same old, different day. Get ready to bend over & take it, serfs!
Obama = Total Bullsh*t
“protracted slowdown”?
You mean contraction, not slowdown.
I agree with you. But, the problem is that most Democratic voters are so not paying attention to Obama’s lack of accountability when it comes to the middle class that they will drink sand just because Obama calls it water. And, then if Obama gets elected and ends SS and medicare as we know it, then these same Democratic voters will be the first ones to blame the GOP for that.
That’s an excellent summary–one that can be used to explain Obama’s treachery to Democrats who wonder why we’re so infuriated at him.
Yep. I have a lengthy list of trad-Dem voter pals, who bend themselves into pretzels blaming the GOP for absolutely *everything* that’s happened in Obama’s Admin. In their world-view, Obama is this good kind person who would prefer to give them a unicorn & lollipops, except the meanie-bully Republicans just won’t “let” Obama do it.
Insane. I’ve given up on them to make any sense. They are as brainwashed and authoritarian as any Tea Partier.
Obama and the Republicans have the American public right were they want them. In the cross hairs.
“Obama has been doing this since day one – irrespective of who controls Congress. “Compromise” is just his code word for delivering to his corporate buddies, but trying to give himself cover while doing so.”
Exactly.
Obama makes Chamberlain look like a paragon of strength. Can you imagine if Obama were President during WWII?
I hear both of you – I live in Seattle & I think the blind eyes to Democratic sell outs are strongly correlated to income –
keep in mind that ‘relatively affluent’ doesn’t mean you’re almost as rich as Trump – it means you as an individual or in your household or in your family is doing way better than the the tens of millions living on under 25 and 50 and $75000 a year. In WA., appx 500,000 households have income over 100k, and 2,000,000 are lower!
imnho the relatively affluents just ain’t feeling the betrayals the way those on the bottom feel it, so they can justify supporting the f’king sell outs like cantwell and kerry and murray and clinton and obummer and … over and over and over. why does voter participation decrease with lower income – cuz you ALREADY got a bunch of lying bosses tossing you peanuts to break your ass while they live large, and so you spend how much time reading the 2000 page AHIP-welfare bill called ‘health’ care reform? How many lawyers do you have on staff to access any of it?
oh well, TTFN, off to the salon and tea with the dilettantes! I just need to be closest to the Vapors Couch when we discuss the latest outrage of the mean meanies being mean.
rmm.
Gee – people have a hard time getting behind a candidate with a clear lack of principles?
Obama is an asshole.
Of course he is:
1)Medicare cuts and it’s transformation for worse.
2)SS cuts and it’s privatization.
3)Taxes increasing for every person and every small business.
4)Keep unemployment high.
5)Special emphasis in outsourcing.
6)Bail out of banks.
7)Keep middle class sinking.
The same as Romney,i don’t see any differences.
It would be like the Firesign Theater skit in which FDR announced in his “Day of Infamy” speech that the U.S. has unconditionally surrendered.
wigwam @ 17
excellent summary! the catfood commission should be hung around o’s neck whenever social security and medicare INSURANCE is discussed as well as the payroll deductions for those INSURANCE programs.
A general rule in politics is this: If you get behind an asshole, prepare to be shat on.
Self-deleted. Never post in haste or anger.
Neville Chamberlain was trying to avoid the horrors of a repeat of WW 1. A noble cause.
Unfortunately he was negotiating with Right Wing Nut Job Extremists.
Which makes your point.
Back to the beater-of-a-lawnmower joke, where Boehner says he’ll sell it for $20, or whatever cheap price, and every time he opens his mouth, and says he’ll sell it, Obama offers more.
We. Are. So. Fucked.
Lather-rinse-repeat….
Why is that only applicable to politics? Or does politician’s shit just splash better?
“…I think the blind eyes to democratic sellouts are strongly related to income…”
I think it’s a case of democrats; lots of democrats, who are just so invested in the idea of Obama-as-courageous-reformer that they’re incapable of emotionally dealing with the reality of what he’s done to the progressive agenda.
They HAVE to pimp the nonsense about the republicans DOING this to him, when he actually bent over and invited the hosing, while smiling and pointing to the 5 gallon bucket of vaseline.
Romney and the repubs are campaigning like damn fools…all over the lot…and he’s still running neck-and-neck with Obama.
Listening to Obama’s calm, thoughtful, promise to stick it to americans again and again, is stomach-turning.
The big Zero was preselected for your consumption by your betters. How dare you question their policies. Zero is just another in a long line of democratic sellouts.Remember what clinton did in his second term? Thats what you get when you accept an out of nowhere, no track record, democrat in name only. But,but romney but but but supreme court nominees but but……You are the butt of their jokes. Rove most be laughing his ass off because either our sellout war criminal will win or romney will……
According to CNN, 93% of investors and 77% of economists are against a further stimulus.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/26/news/economy/federal-reserve-qe3/index.html?iid=Lead
“the only hope to stop this kind of program from going through, it seems to me, remains the continued stubbornness of conservatives to resist piddling tax increases in exchange for the constraints on social insurance”
Those of us with Republican congressman might have to start calling them and demanding they continue to resist any tax increases.
If Obama really wants to be bipartisan and make Republicans happy, he should resign now.
Obama is seriously delusional if he thinks the GOP will all of a sudden work with him if he wins in November. If the GOP keeps the house and wins the Senate, they’re going to be even more intransigent towards him.
The stupidity of these bloggers boggle my mind.If you think that the Repugs are a better choice then you better change your kool aid drink.
Shorter President Obama: “I’m willing to give away the store to the Republicans, if only they would agree to take it.”
Imagine the great deals we could get if O sold cars. Everyone would have the custom floor mats and wheels for free that is fer sure an fer certain.
Well at least his fans can’t continue saying that we will see the real Obama if he is reelected. What I dont understand is how progressives can continue rallying around this guy when all he is going to do is screw them as soon he does not need them. He got my vote the first time but it wont happen again.
If Obama is re-elected and the GOP controls both houses of Congress, there’s at least a 50-50 chance of an impeachment inquiry in the House. Impeachment has become part of the GOP’s politics-as-usual tool kit.
And take Joe Biden with him, thus making John Boehner president.
better? no.
worse? depends on what you mean.
is Obama the more effective evil? surely
There will be no compromises by the Obama administration because there is no serious policy position from which they need to seek a compromise.
For example: ” I don’t think it would be a good idea to . . . raises taxes on middle-class families to give wealthy individuals a tax break.” And yet, that is precisely what the current administration has already done.
“So if that’s the mandate that Republicans receive, then there’s still going to be some serious arguments here in Washington.”
Translation: There will be the appearance of serious (by which is meant right wing, corporate-friendly) arguments for public consumption. And that is all there will be. The sole purpose of the statements in this interview is to pretend that there is a difference between the two candidates.
All that Obamabot talk about how he’s going to be more progressive in his 2nd term is hogwash. I (and many here) always thought it was BS. I’m just surprised that he’s already talking about
rolling overcompromise with the GOP. Obama’s getting cocky, thinks he’s going to win in a landslide. Romney may suck, but he can still win.Wouldn’t be surprised. And if the GOP take the Senate, and they find a few blue dogs to vote with them, Obama could be removed from office.
At least the removal/impeachment would be bipartisan, so that would make Obama happy.
Brand Obama snookered millions with their “Hope and Change” advertising con. Now that many consumers realize that was all snake oil that in fact does not remove stains, taste better, make you look thinner, and get you laid, a new slogan is required. A “balanced approach” is just as much bullshit as “hope and change.” Perhaps this time around the empty product will come with a mail-in rebate?
Yes, if we had a news media that did much of anything except worry themselves over whatever political gaffe of the day comes along, it would be asking that very question.
The media would also ask questions of both candidates concerning free trade–transpacific partnership anyone?–our undeclared wars, the shredding of civil liberties, the surveillance state, income disparity that has grown under obama, etc., etc., etc.
Everything about this guy’s life and career involves meeting everyone halfway. If halfway is halfway to hell because the Republicans have dragged the halfway mark halfway FURTHER to hell, even overnight, he’ll still meet you there.
It’s the people in the room he cares about pleasing. And the people, 99% of Americans and 99.999% of humanity, are never in the room.
Hope Romeny wins. Then let Romeny attack medicare like Obama plans. There will be a up roar on the left over the proposed cuts and medicare will be left alone for a while.
There really is NO DIFFERENCE between the rethugs and the dumbacrats. You can vote all you want for Tweedledee or Tweedledum. Unless the rich approve you ain’t gonna get anything.
“Corey Robin had a great explanation for this on Up with Chris Hayes Sunday . . .”
Excellent summation!
Ding!
Just before the 2010 midterms, Obama broadcast that he would be doing more of the same, even if Democrats remained the majority and in control of both Houses of Congress. More caving by Obama and Democrats, to Republicans:
This after Republicans couldn’t have been clearer, from even before Obama got into the White House, that they had no intention of working with him or Democrats.
This and broadcasting “more of the same seeking of bipartisanship” and Republican-like legislation is before the 2010 midterms is exactly like what Nancy Pelosi did prior to the 2006 midterms — She announced that if Democrats took control over Congress, impeaching Bush was “off the table”. The reason to do that is to be able to spin after the election, “We told you what we were going to do before the election, so our success in retaining our seats means you were voting for what we broadcast.”
After the midterms, Obama assessed that the message of the election was that voters liked his efforts at bipartisanship, and wanted him to move even farther to the right (which he did):
Obama Urges Bipartisanship, Not Gridlock
Obama vows to ‘redouble’ efforts toward bipartisanship
Then there was Obama’s signaling that he would extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich before the midterms, which he did after the midterms.
I’ve seen this movie before.
The coming war with Iran is something of a big deal for me.
Both big-party clowns will take their cues from Netanyahu, so that leaves third party. But we’re probably going….it just sucks that more death seems so inevitable.
I AM NOW convinced obama will be routed come the election.
also, since presidential elections are pure fraud in this country there is no question he is well aware of it and this is only a preview of what is to come after the election.
republicans will control all 3 branches and you can bet your ass medicare is gone, SS cut to bits tax cuts for the rich beyond bush cuts, massive war dept spending and massive austerity for the rest of americans.
its a DONE DEAL.
obama is just doing what he can to prepare “democrats” for it all since no one can argue any difference in romneys position and his.
Okay, wait a minute.
We’ve been screaming and yelling for months, even years, here about the lack of willingness to compromise on the GOP side of the aisle. Now that the POTUS is communicating a [continuing] willingness to compromise to get something done around here, all you guys here can do is BITCH about it????
Seriously, I appreciate the splendid minds around here, but compromise by definition is a two-way street. It isn’t, as a GOP candidate famously stated a few months ago, defined by saying, ‘we’re willing to compromise as long as the other side comes completely over to our way of thinking’.
Compromise means no one gets everything they want. Compromise means we give up something, they give up something and we both get something in return. Lord knows NONE of that has happened in years in our Congress and I would be pleased as punch to see ANYthing happen that resembled governing in that G-d-forsaken institution.
Obama has been willing to compromise. Big F-ing deal. He’s been willing to compromise forever, but the opposition wants it their way or the highway. Hasn’t that just worked brilliantly for us, as a nation??
For G-d’s sake, people: put a sock in it!
I liked this line on Dday’s front page version of this post:
I wish he would put that line back into this permalink. This is an important example of how us troublemaking DFHs over here at the Lake operate as an early-warning system for the Dems. The machine Dems who will vote at the convention, and who will control turnout in their local counties & precincts, still have power. They can still extract commitments and issue threats before the re-nomination and the re-election. They can still walk away if preznit fails to prove his loyalty to the party.
You’re gonna be the first one under the bus if preznit gets re-elected, because you buy his bullshit.
What’s the line attributed to Mark Twain about it being easier to fool people than to convince them they’ve been fooled?
I sympathize with those Liberals who are good intentioned and yet continue to support Obama even in the face of all the evidence, because within mainstream politics where else can they go? They would like someone to represent their interests and ideas, but they’ve got nobody to do that with any kind of chance to be President.
Look at how huffingtonpost.com and americablog.com are mum on this comment by Obama. The supposed progressives at their worst, all sold out.
I think the critique by many of the folks here is not about an unwillingness to compromise, but instead the Obama administration’s apparent capitulation that he pretends is compromise. (See Coach Bill’s comment @15.)
Candidate Obama in 2008:
He told us then that he admired and wanted to emulated Reagan, and nobody challenged him about it.
There should have been a Democratic primary to challenge him, but his surrogates overwhelmed efforts by saying, “No incumbent president who has been challenged has won reelection” and “Ted Kennedy and Jimmy Carter!” (regardless of the likelihood that Carter would have lost anyhow, given the treason of ReaganBush and Iraq and the October Surprise).
There is no solution that’ll be good for the average working American, the 99%, this time around. 2014′s congressional races are the next window, with 2016′s national race being the next real opportunity (within the Democratic Party). But only if the DLC/Third Way/No Labels are taken out of power, and that only happens when they lose elections.
That Obama would make statements like these in the final months before the election demonstrates to me the extent to which he has no fear of retaliation from the progressive base. It seems to me like Obama has already compromised much in his first term, and here he is saying that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Perhaps I was foolish, but I didn’t see this coming 4 years ago.
Well, at least I can take comfort knowing that compromises to Social Security are off the table, since Joe Biden “flat guaranteed” it.
I think one big intention of Obama’s in making comments like these before the elections is to discourage liberal Democrats from turning out to vote.
Why, oh why, does nobody challenge politicians who speak of raising the age of eligibility for SS and/or Medicare with the fact that damn few people in their 60′s can retain their good-paying job-with-benefits, if they’re among the lucky few who have one to begin with. I see this happening in front of my eyes: the multinational corporation where I have been temping for 5+ years lays off an entire department of people, changes job descriptions slightly to cover their ass legally, and then hires back the people they want, mainly younger and cheaper workers. I can’t be seeing the only isolated example of this corporate behavior. If politicians want to take the position of raising age eligibility, so be it, but someone must call them out loudly on the side effects and make them answer the questions that raises.
It seems to me that the main response by many bloggers here is that there is no real choice. Like kool aid, it is only a question of whether voters prefer grape or cherry. And if one wants somethig other than empty calories, the consuption of which will just make them fat and diabetic, then they are simply shit out of luck.
You say, “Well, at least I can take comfort knowing that compromises to Social Security are off the table, since Joe Biden “flat guaranteed” it.”
Are you naive or just plain du_b? Obama (and that includes your Biden) had promised so many things including the public option, no extension of Bush tax cuts for the superwealthy etc. etc. etc.
AP Interview with Obama
August 25, 2012
—
“For me to be able to say to the Republicans, the election is over; you no longer
need to be focused on trying to beat me … I’m prepared to make a whole range of
compromises, some of which I get criticized from the Democratic Party on, in order
to make progress.”
—
Romney has already promised he won’t touch Social Security or Medicare for 10yrs. By
that time more than half of all baby boomers will be receiving benefits, and the other
half will realize how badly they have saved and how much they need these programs. So
It would not be irrational to believe the baby boomers could, eight or ten years from
now, changet their mind and elect politicians that will not cut Social Security or
Medicare benefits as Romney and Ryan are proposing.
As you can see from the AP interview Obama is ready to cut programs and give the Republicans
what they want “Right Now”, and you can bet when he talks about cuts he is not talking
about block grants for food stamps … He is talking about Social Security and Medicare.
So for those of us who care about preserving Social Security and Medicare benefits,
voting for Romeny and Ryan my be our only option. If they can convince me that they
will keep their promise to leave Social Security and Medicare alone for 10yrs …
Romney Ryan may get my vote in November 2012.
fixed it for ya
When is Obama going to win something for team, his party?
You do know Obama has a way of losing to the Morons, over, and over, and over again.
Maybe Obama is not trying to win!
Maybe Obama is playing for the other team Becca?
Some of Obama losses listed below:
1st Obama endorses the Bush agenda of spying on and killing americans
2nd Obama attacks Unions (the F! the UAW moment screams republican)
3rd Obama double downs on Bush Wars, (now they are Obama wars)
4th Obama attacks Teacher Unions (teacher unions now hate OBAMA)
5th Obama does not attack the Banks? he bails them out? (sorta like what the GOP does)
6th Obama passes the Bob Dole Health Care Bill (Bob Dole is a republican)
7th Obama kills the Public Option
8Th Obama kills Drug Importation
9Th Obama APPOINTS an insurance executive to manage his health care Bill
10th Obama does not APPOINT Dawn Johnsen
11th Obama hand picks the cat food commission to destroy Social Security
12th Obama supports Blanche Lincoln, a candidate who hates Unions, and has no chance of winning
13 Guantanomo still open for business
14.Patriot Act renewed
15. renditions continue
16. Bernanke reappointed
17. Americans targeted for assassination
18 Obama is all for sending more USA jobs off shore
19 Obama is for tax cuts for the RICH!
20. Obama and the TSA porno Scandal
21 Obama freezes federal wages for 2 years
22. OBAMA TARP Funds for Legal Services for Foreclosure Victims Blocked By Treasury
23. Obama lowers estate tax for the rich
24. Obama tax bill of 2010 GUTS Social Security
25. Obama wants WikiLeaks Assange charged with espionage.
26 Obama Fake Net Neutrality Caves to AT&T,Comcast
27 Obama Wall Street Buddies foreclose on USA soldiers Homes
I’m not surprised at all, yet it depresses me to hear him say it. There was a hope and prayer with the new equation of a 2nd term.
It does not affect my vote anyway (Jill Stein) but it seems to me he’s taking Progressives for granted due to the odiousness of stinking Mittens. Treading on thin ice, I say.
How do they explain Kagan and Sotomayor ruling against the Montana challenge to Citizens United, and Kagan’s favor with Monsanto?
The #1 obstacle to getting to what we thought we were voting for when we put Obama and Democrats into power: The ‘Pragmatists’.
Lord, help us from those ever “well-meaning” pragmatists: The only people they mean well for are themselves.
We hear about “pragmatism” a lot from Obama’s ‘most ardent supporters’. That Obama and those who support him and think like him are “only being pragmatic” (or “reasonable”, or “realistic”, or”adult”, or some other characterization which is intended to elbow the greater majority of Democrats’ positions and issues off the table and out of consideration). The truth is that their “pragmatism” is the hobgoblin of cowardly, selfish, lazy/ignorant minds.
‘Pragmatists’ have no dog in the race for the issues of their fellow Democrats or have been bought off. They’ve had their demands on the issues met (or mistakenly believe so, because of their faulty understanding of the legislation); ‘pragmatists’, once bought off, are perfectly content to throw everyone else under the bus.
‘Pragmatists’ are the reason for the decline and demise of unions, deregulation and privatization.
Two of the best recent examples of the Obama Administration’s use of the ‘pragmatic’ argument were Jonathan Alter and David Axelrod during the months that Obama and the DLCers schemed to get a corporate welfare program disguised as health care reform past the People and into the law of the land.
See here.
And here.
And here.
And here.
The list of issues that ‘pragmatists’ are willing to sell-out their fellow Democratic voters is long.
If ‘pragmatists’ aren’t on Social Security or Medicare or Medicaid, or don’t have relatives or friends on any of these programs, Obama’s cutting these benefits don’t matter.
If ‘pragmatists’ believe they’ll never need an abortion (if they’re not female, or post-menopause, or if they have the means and ability to travel to France to get an abortion, etc.), then assaults on a woman’s right to choose aren’t ‘deal-breakers’.
If ‘pragmatists’ are employed, if they don’t own a home (or if they do own a home and able to make mortgage payments), if they have health care insurance through their work, if they’re young and living in their parents’ garage, if they haven’t had any significant health problems, if their parents/grandparents are dead, if their parents/grandparents are alive and supporting them (or not supporting them, and able to support themselves), if they can’t get married because they’re gay, etc., it’s not their problem.
If they’re not a ‘brown’ person, if they’re not criticizing politicians or government, if they’re not sick and using medical marijuana (or if they rely on legal substances like alcohol and pharmaceutical drugs to manage their stress or recreation), [everybody together now]…”IT’S NOT MY PROBLEM!”
[Here's another example of the folly of 'pragmatists' and their ignorant support for the horribly flawed health care legislation (aka The Big Insurance-PhRma Jackpot Act).]
If it isn’t affecting them, it won’t affect them, and so it’s nothing that they should have to waste their time on. Or in their ‘bottom line’.
There’s nothing “pragmatic” about these people. They are tunnel-visioned, and only see the issues through their immediate life’s circumstances. Some might say that they’re in denial. Others might say they’re selfish, “narcissistically-inclined”. Or they’re like Republicans and Libertarians, with their values that “it’s every man/woman/child for himself”.
But they’re certainly not about Democratic values.
Thanks, Fractal.
so this is Obama’s follow up commects to Joe Biden on SS. Well I predict there will be a low voter turn out and I think the vote will be close. I tell my Dmes buddies that Obama wants to cut SS and MEciare but they think I am lying…although more are begiining to wonder about this prock..gee I can’t wait to vote a guy who will gut SS and Medicare…gosh! he does not get enough credit for be willing to screw us all! I mean we know he is corrupt but can he really be THAT DUMB!?
btw when I tell my Dems buddies that the tea party hates Obama so much that will not deal with him SS and Medicare they think I am full of it! Ha! Good for the tea party keep it up!
Except it wouldn’t be compromises. It’s Obama’s AGENDA – same as the gop agenda.
I still cannot believe that the political naif who inhabits the WH does not understand the art of compromise. Compromise is reached when both sides in an argument make concessions. What Obama calls compromise is really capitulation, or surrender, or caving, since the GOP never makes concessions. How long is Obama going to continue his nonsense about compromise?
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28. FBI Expands Probe Into Antiwar Activists
29. Obama Halts EPA Regulation On Smog Standards
30. Why are you running away, offshore drilling? All Obama wants is a hug
31. Two of the cans that Obama has kicked down the road for after the election: Keystone and Bush’s tax cuts.
its not a bug it is a feature- purposeful and paid for
Lively thread, what to do, where to begin, what to do, oh my, oh my? It is certainly healthy to vent once in a while, I guess. Progressive Democrats beating rightly/moderate Democrats in August 14, state primaries.
http://wisconsinprogress.org/2012/08/alert-wisconsin-progress-candidates-sweep-primaries/
John Nichols (The Nation) intro and the August 14, Wisconsin Progress press release are interesting.
Chamberlain’s policies were in keeping with a war weary Uk which had lost more soldiers in ww 1 as a percentage of their population than we did in the civil war-both sides combined. He was wrong but at least he represented the wishes of those that elected him. Does the big zero represent us???
We can’t get this ahole out of there fast enough to suit me. He makes me sick every time I listen to him. Romney, we can deal with. How do you deal with a snake like Obama?
IN reply to goldenboy: no, bloggers here do not appear to be the stupid ones. They are the smart ones; they are a small minority who know what is going on and use their own judgment. It is the Obamabots who appear to be victims of an alternative reality.
The fact is, Obama is the more effective evil, a politician with a far-right economic agenda to take down the social safety net and deliver deep tax cuts to, and restructure the tax code for, the top income earners.
Here is more on Obama, and his Illinois record:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Obama-s-War-on-Humanity-by-Stephen-Lendman-120808-139.html
And here is info regarding his supreme court nominee Elena Kagan:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/05/16/obama-s-latest-monsanto-pick-elena-kagan
I am sure, with Obama being as cynical and ruthless as he is and given his record, after the elections, comments like this may be outlawed…
I will never vote again for Obama, he’s a complete tool.
That’s lovely. And this would’ve been different under McCain how? And this will be different under Romney how? Do you think for a moment that with all branches of the government controlled by one party with no compromise requirement, things would be so much better?
Did you see the platform of the GOP revealed today that says medicare goes to a no-guarantee voucher program?
Did you see the platform of the GOP revealed last week that women have no elective abortion, even in the case of rape or incest? That the fetus will now have more rights than the mother?
Have you forgotten the eight years of Bush administration and two wars with no funding and multiple spending bills with no off-setting budget cuts?
And what was he supposed to do about the two houses of Congress that refused to consider any of his appointments or shot them down before they came out of committee?
Any guesses what would’ve happened to the economy without the TARP and stimulus bills? You think you’d even HAVE internet in that alternate universe?? We’d all be fighting to stay alive.
Lordy, the GOP hatred of Obama has full-on infected this site.
What do you propose as an alternative? Please do tell… because the choices being offered are SO much better [/sarcasm]
I thought I’d share with you an exchange I had in the last week with two Obamaphiles about who to vote for:
becca won’t like that post. Too much reality and truth. She apparently prefers the world of unicorns and leprechauns.
I would love to hear more of why you think Obama will lose. While I agree with your comments on elections, SS, etc., I suspect that the Good Cop routine of the Obama administration has another four years left in it. Why do you think not?
No. I also think it is income-related. The university-educated families with incomes above $75,000 tend on the whole to be liberal, and they want to believe Obama is doing his best. I have had this conversation with my brother and sister-in-law, who are in that category and insist that it was the awful Republicans that made him do all those bad things. I don’t think they are ‘bots.’ They are simply in denial about what the United States has become. There is going to be a lot of anger out there when they move to the next stage of grief.
The only reason not to vote Republican at this point is fear of nuclear Armageddon, which I am perfectly convinced they are prepared to provoke. All the rest is mouthwash.
Indeed. Anybody who wanted to bother could have read Team Obama’s official website in 2008 and seen that all the “hope and change” promises were utter bullshit.
Becca:
Have you heard of two adages:
1. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
2. A sucker is born every minute.
I think Obama’s “led” brilliantly; just not on the people’s behalf. He’s managed to deliver to his Corporate Masters while convincing his ‘most ardent supporters’ that he’s either too nice, inept, or that his failures are because of Republicans, [pick your excuse].
Talk of Democratic politicians having no spines are greatly exaggerated, just like Obama’s timidity is myth: He’s plenty tough when it comes to standing up to the Democratic base.
Democratic voters have mistakenly believed that Obama and Democrats want what they want. The DLC-controlled Democratic Party gives lip service to all populist issues (like jobs, civil rights protections, restoring habeas corpus, ending the wars, public healthcare, Wall Street reform, environmental and energy issues, etc.).
If the Bush years taught us anything, it’s that anyone can sell anything to Americans, if you’re stolid and relentless in your sales pitch and tactics. It’s not that Bush and Rove were geniuses and knew something that nobody else knew; Bush and Rove were just more ruthless in doing what politicians and the parties had gone to great lengths to hide from Americans — If you keep at it, escalate your attacks, don’t take ‘no’ for an answer, never back away, you’ll wear the opposition down.
Obama didn’t get to be the first black president, vanquish Clinton’s machine (to get the nomination) and the oldest, most experienced politicians in US history (including the Rove Machine) by not having mastered these skills. Nor do Democratic politicians (more incumbents than ever, in office longer) not know how to do it. How do you think Democrats managed to keep impeaching Bush-Cheney off the table, have us still reelecting them, not marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks?
Obama and Democrats know how to do it — They don’t want to do it.
The trick for them has been to keep the many different populist groups believing that they really do support our issues, but they’re merely inept. And to get us to keep voting for them despite their failure to achieve our alleged shared objectives.
Getting Democratic voters (and Obama’s ‘most ardent supporters’) to understand that Democratic politicians have been taking us all for suckers and patsies is the most immediate problem and the challenge.
No need, that’s what drones are for. Wonder if the FL weather is adding difficultly to monitor Tampa from above or if it is just a fortunate circumstance for drone pilots to get a bit more practice under more trying fight control circumstance.
I think nik12 was being effectively snarky.
I have now begun to believe that Obama really is wanting to lose this election. By his unrelenting favors to the wealthy class and his capitulations to the GOP, he as already managed to lose many of us on firedoglake, digby and a few on HP.
Further, check out the following link:
http://elections.firedoglake.com/2012/08/27/obama-and-romney-tied-before-the-conventions/
Romney and Obama are already tied and actually Romney is about 1% ahead of Obama.
And, by making statements such as this, Obama reminds us that he will continue his capitulations and will likely end medicare and SS in his unrelenting quest for that holy grail called “the grand bargain”. Is Obama really that great strategist who plays eleventy-dimensional chess?????
Now, now, Bt2,
No need to disparage the commenter, please. Thank you.
Lunch break is over. I’m out.
I have now begun to believe that Obama really is wanting to lose this election. By his unrelenting favors to the wealthy class and his capitulations to the GOP, he as already managed to lose many of us on firedoglake, digby and a few on HP.
Further, check out the following link:
http://elections.firedoglake.com/2012/08/27/obama-and-romney-tied-before-the-conventions/
Romney and Obama are already tied and actually Romney is about 1% ahead of Obama.
And, by making statements such as this, Obama reminds us that he will continue his capitulations and will likely end medicare and SS in his unrelenting quest for that holy grail called “the grand bargain”. Is Obama really that great strategist who plays eleventy-dimensional chess?????
I don’t think Obama had very many supporters here on FDL to lose. You could probably count them all on one hand.
In 2006 Obama supported Joe Lieberman (his senatorial mentor) over progressive Ned Lamont during the Connecticutt Democratic primary. Lieberman lost, but then ran as an Independent, and Obama’s support for Democrat Lamont was limitied to an email to those on his mailing list about a week before the election. Thanks BO, you unprincipled prick, Lamont lost to fucking Lieberman at a time when people still believed in your purty words.
That convinced me then, what a forked-tongue snake he is. I voted for Nader 2008, and thus don’t have the bitter taste of having been fooled by his sweet-talk hope&change BS, which also seemed to work on the Nobel Peace Prize committee. He’s now proudly established himself as “Wall Street’s Boy”.
And despite Obama caving into the Republicans on social security, medicare, medicaid, he will still get virtually 100% of the black vote. Can anyone explain this to me?
Becca you are stuck in the veal pen. You are being offered 2 lousy choices because you are willing to accept that choice. Given your willingness to excuse bad behavior by dems your future choices will not improve.
Lechero:
I disagree. I have a feeling that almost 90% of the posters on fdl did end up voting for Obama in 2008, though they were skeptical of Obama. However, given that their skepticism has been confirmed over the last 4 years or so, almost 90% of the posters on fdl will likely not vote for Obama this time around in 2012.
I think that all Obama’s been doing is trying to save unregulated capitalism and the lock that the 1% has on the other 99%.
With Obama’s deal to preserve Bush’s tax cuts for the rich (making it Obama’s tax cuts for the rich), 99ers were cut off. Of the 6 million people who were then currently receiving unemployment benefits, Obama’s deal covered only 2 million, and many of them got crumbs from his deal because, in spite of the 13-month extension, benefits were cut off for many of those when they reached 99-weeks. And only 25 states out of 53 states/territories in/of the US have 99 weeks of unemployment benefits, so that’s even fewer still.
David Cay Johnston on Democracy Now! on Obama’s deal to extend Bush’s tax cuts “The worse off you are, your taxes increase”:
The payroll tax ‘holiday’ in the deal sets Social Security up for its end. I think that’s what Bush and Grover Norquist planned and why Bush believes he’ll be vindicated as a great conservative in history: For ending the New Deal/Great Society programs, by having bankrupted the nation so there’s no way to pay out those benefits. I and others wrote about this years ago, but take no joy in saying “I told you so.”
Extending Bush’s tax cuts was an absolutely wretched deal, but standard for Obama, who has a long record of negotiating lousy deals on ordinary citizens’ behalf. If Obama was in private practice and ‘Lawyer Obama’ had negotiated a deal like this for a client, he would be sued, successfully, for malpractice.
The purpose of the deal was so that Democratic political operatives could say, “Obama helped the unemployed”; most Democratic voters won’t know the actual facts of how Obama sold out the American people. Again. Obama and Democrats have no jobs plan either. Both parties are thinning the herd.
“What do you propose as an alternative?”
Most importantly, the clear, graven-in-stone, proof, that if you run as a progressive reformer, win big, and then quickly surrender to the assholes and govern as a country-club bush-lite president, you will be fired at the earliest opportunity. To me, for any future liberal candidates’ edification, that’s a priceless alternative.
After decades of the same old routine of promising change, winning, and then caving on it, democrats falling in line for another four years of corporatist agenda is the worst possible result in this election. Much worse that just electing Romney.
If, on election night 2008, someone on here had posted that within three years of Obama’s election, he’d have put SS on the chopping block for the republicans, and would have killed a move to re-import generic drugs, as well as stuffing the effort by some House democrats to strip the HMO robber-barons of their exemption from the anti-trust laws, there would have been hoots of derision from their fellow posters.
All Obama had to do was confront the assholes. Instead, he did near-miraculous rehab on them.
I think that enough of the voters who gave him that landslide in 2008 are appalled, that the odds are getting better that he’ll be served up as the poster boy for a failed president. I will shed not a tear if it happens.
I came to the conclusion a while ago that Obama doesn’t care if he wins or loses his bid for a 2nd term because he knows that his post-presidential career will be extremely lucrative: should he lose, he & Michelle will return to Chicago, he’ll establish a foundation, ink a book contract in the millions, sit on numerous civic and charitable committees, raise gazillions for a library, and be trotted out by the media to comment on events as if he were some elderly statesman. He knows this because he has already delivered to his benefactors and donors on War Street what they asked of him.
With titanium balls , which the President lacks, he would have stood up in the first three months when he saw his appointees weren’t being approved and could have said I will veto EVERY bill until my appointees get an UP or DOWN vote first.
Seems he’s compromised on having his people in power , he’s fine with left over bushies running things after three +years.
I would go through the seventh layer of hell, be tortured by demons, burned at the stake, drawn and quartered, boiled by African pygmies, buried alive by Apaches to be eaten by flesh-eating ants, thrown to crocodiles by the Pharoahs, guillotined by the French revolutionaries, thrown to the sharks by South Sea islanders, beheaded by Japanese soldiers, subject myself to unspeakable torture by the SS, before ever voting for Obama again.
Have I made myself clear enough?
“He’s basically throwing the Democratic Party and its base under the bus to secure his own reelection.”
I’m at an absolute loss to imagine what path to victory Obama sees that doesn’t include the Democratic Base.
On the bright side, at least he’s honestly stating up front that he’ll screw every progressive ideal he can find rather than making us wait until he’s elected like last time.
He would have taken his orders from Prescott “Nazi Banker” Bush and joined the Axis powers.
Mir sich vorstellen können.
By saying that do you believe the over 50% of every budget dollar that goes to the war department hasn’t already done that ? Our one district, Pa-08, forked over in cash or deficit spending $ 3-4 BILLION for the two wars for profit so far. Iran , if we survive it, will make that number look like chicken scratch.
And I am prepared to charge you with a whole range of War Crimes and violations of the Constitution.
Exactly right. Bill Clinton has amassed a fortune worth approximately $200 million, the majority of which came after his presidency. Deregulation of the financial industry for the Banksters proved to be rather lucrative for
Bill “I Caused Your Pain” Clinton.
Three words – Future Speaking Fees ie. bill clinton, george sr. buddy.
Branding.
While those of us who follow him and politics avidly know that Obama is no better than Bush-Cheney, his ‘most ardent admirers’ just like the packaging better. I’m not talking skin color, although that may be a factor for some of them; I’m talking about how a ‘D’ after the name is a brand they trust believe and trust in, despite the fact that it’s the same ‘soap’ (product).
Over the course of US history, corporations have managed to game our political system, and done it so effectively that the two-party system competes to serve corporate interests while defending that service as, “What’s good for GM (corporations) is good for America (the People)”.
Democrats and Republicans, corporate tools, are like siblings competing for the attention and approval (campaign contributions) of a parent. They try to outdo each other in delivering for their real constituent, Big Corporations. The trick for them has been to make it seem as if they were really working on behalf of the People.
Democratic voters are helped by public relations campaigns in deluding themselves into thinking Obama’s a good guy who never would’ve started those wars, and who has only the best of intentions but got a bad deal, What they are blocked from seeing is how this as a business plan where the Corporate Masters of the Universe have charted out their plans years in advance and select the politician/personality best able to achieve those plans in 4 year increments. If you want to lie the country into war for oil and war-profiteering, then George W. Bush is your man to front it (with Dick Cheney, the former Secretary of Defense who initiated the privatizing of the military a decade earlier, actually running the operation from the shadows).
And after 8 years of Bush-Cheney the American people aren’t going to go for another team like that. They’re going to want HOPE and CHANGE, with a persona they can believe in and trust: Democrat Barack Obama.
His inability to achieve on our behalf (because he’s either “too nice”, “too accommodating”, “it’s all because of those mean, crazy, racist Republicans”, etc.) makes him the perfect victim: Not responsible for the failure. His refusal to hold anyone responsible for the wars, the financial collapse, etc., is also a model for not holding him and Democrats responsible for failing to keep their campaign promises and achieve on the People’s behalf. Not only not holding them responsible, but rewarding them by reelecting them. Because “they’re really good people, just inept”.
Both becca and goldenboy seem to be afflicted with the neurosis of partisanship. Rather than displaying their total lack of perception, perhaps they should retreat to DailyKos where the authoritarians are cherished.
The thing that kills me is how the Republicans and the MSM can still get away with framing Obama as any kind of liberal. Orwell didn’t know what Reagan understood: You don’t need a Ministry of Truth, just the reporters and pundits to know who signs their checks.
Racism.
Since the MSM came under the control of four corporations and the news was no longer treated as a traditional loss leader, the MSM became the Ministry of Truth.
Would that more Americans could … imagine, hektor6766.
However, imaginative capacity seems to be ever more, exceptionally, lacking on the part of the general public.
Not only do many, apparently, wish to have others do their thinking AND deciding for them, they appear to have relinquished any apparent imaginative “interests”, as well.
As bread and circuses no longer interest the masters, the unnecessary “expense”, you know, the many will soon be left to their own meager devices, excepting for the surveillance, the repression, and the drones which “they” will never see coming …
Das ist schade, nicht wahr?
Or perhaps, merely karma?
DW
Well put.
Orwell seemed not to realize, somehow, that the “fourth estate”, as it is known in the US, is PART of the political class … as it is most everywhere else … these days, its fundamental purpose is propaganda and entertainment … to fill the lack of imagination and creative capacity which are drummed out of the proles …
Ah, well …
DW
I dont’ feel that it is racisim. I think that the AA community will vote for Obama just because this community feels that it is their moral duty to vote for the candidate that they feel belongs to their community. However, the reality is that Obama has done precious little to help the minority communities such as the AA, Latinos etc. The irony is that Obama deported more Latinos than even W. So, it is very surprising to see that Latino voters are so solidly behind Obama.
The speed at which folks went from the nothing-is-impossible, the-sky’s-the-limit stance of “hope and change” to rationales like, “Obama’s hands were tied,” demonstrates the effectiveness of branding. “He can do anything/He can do nothing.” Indeed. If a product is advertised effectively, it won’t even matter if its unhealthy ingredients are printed on the label. How else do we explain the President or Hot Pockets?
That is his problem.
The only bad things he will compromise everything which should not be compromised.
If Bush was “decider” Obama is a “compromiser”. But just as with ACA, he always compromises what he should fight for.
well, maybe not 100%…
http://www.blackagendareport.com/
because there is no time left.
The EU debt crisis is getting worse.
chinas economy is flat.
the currencies of India and Brazil are collapsing.
americas economy is at depression levels now with real unemployment at 22.5%.
and its all going to get worse.
we are headed into a world wide depression never seen before and it cant be prevented for 4 more years.
the “elites” must finish stealing everything and get protection before that happens.
romneys their guy to get it done ASAP.
also the neo cons plan to reshape the middle east by regime change and war against 7 countries is nearly complete.
they hit a snag in Syria with Russia and China drawing red lines but that has only increased their resolve.
the window for attack against Iran is closing.
any attack on iran starts ww3 with the possibility of Armageddon like nuclear war scenarios.
obama while talking a great game and pushing sanctions wont bomb and even bush refused to even consider bombing Iran.
romney WILL.
and you need republicans making the police state laws once that happens.
they will have all 3 branches.
finally…the supreme court has 3 justices that likely want to retire scalia 76 Kennedy 76 and Ginsberg 79.
they will have the opportunity with romney to ensure a 6-3 majority for the next 25 years.
I think my favorite “excuse” is to the “effect” that: “Obama’s lovely wife, beautiful children, and cute little doggie are being held hostage and threatened by the evil ones, and that is why Obama has not done what he promised … he wants to, very desperately, but he can’t.”
That one is not mentioned quite so much any more, however … otto.
Of course, I always say, “Good heavens!!!, Then we must, for the sake of his lovely wife, his beautiful children and the wee doggie, get poor Obama the heck out of there … don’t you think?”
However, it turns out that such a think is not in the minds of those who assert such a thing … they mumble something about staying the course, or that Obama would not agree to do that because … it would “let all of us down …”
Then I mention the children and the wee doggie again, and the mumbled response is that we ” … should not do ANYTHING that might make matters worse”.
The human mind is an amazing thing, even when it is not being very well used … the “power” of “belief” staggers the imagination and … reason.
Of course, now we are being told that there is no such thing as “reason”, just different illusions and and a range of prejudice …
Ah, well …
“Romney’s their guy to get it done ASAP.”
I think you’re right…and Obama’s their guy IN THE WHITE HOUSE, who’s BEEN getting it done (That unemployment is on HIS bar tab, not the GOP’s…) at a slower rate. I think it needs to happen at speed, and with a repub in the White House who can’t be called a “socialist”…as Obama lets the flat-earther’s get away with calling him.
As for SCOTUS, they sustained the 30 million new mandated customers for the HMO pirates. I think the “reform” bill needed to be junked, it was so bad. The “improvements” were so little, compared with Obama’s sellout on giving us a public option, that I’d rather the entire thing have been shot down. Too bad that one of the conservatives on the court joined with the liberal wing to sustain it.
You would be comfortable were Obama to appoint Cass Sunstein, for example, to SCOTUS, jadez? Do you know what Sunstein has been doing these last several years, who he has been “working” for, what he has done?
Do you seriously consider Sotomayor and Kagan to be honest champions of the oppressed, the poor, and the middle class?
If so, then what cases might you cite to bolster this view?
Here, let us agree that we are NOT talking about the claptrap of “journalists”, but actual case “evidence”.
DW
Well, Sotomayor recused herself from almost half of the first 50-odd cases that came up following her confirmation.
Does: “First, do no harm.” Apply here? :o)
And, as ever, did Obama know that she would do that?
Touche`; you nailed it.
One is Wall St. and one is a mascot of Wall. St.I’ve come to terms with my powerlessness,and do not care which piece of repugnant shit wins .Don’t care about SCOTUS and accept a global economic blowout as a fait accompli .In fact .if O lost because of med weed in Colorado ,then I would to see him lose .
Anyone who believes in this system ,and its class-averse polity ,deserves the blowback that will visit the most vulnerable under Obamney .Supporting Jill Stein is the only way to make a stand for decency .Unless you can live from your capital gains.you have nothing to lose .The money in entitlements and pension funds has been fleeced without even a fight .So vote for the Mad. Ave. brands designed to make you “feel ” good ,not think well .
Aside from the political class in office, our biggest problem has been Obama’s ‘most ardent supporters’, those we encounter around the internet, most likely political operatives paid by the DNC to spread disinformation and keep morale up.
If Bush-Cheney-Republicans are so bad (and I think they are), why’s Obama blocking all investigations and prosecutions of them?
If Bush-Cheney was so bad, why’s Obama continuing just about all Bush-Cheney policies (and going Bush-Cheney one better, with ‘indefinite preventive detention’, torture and killing American citizens, no due process, no oversight)?
Perhaps if Bill Clinton hadn’t done the same thing for the Reagan-Bush administration and Iran-Contra, we wouldn’t have been saddled with Bush-Cheney at all. Or any future (Jeb)Bush-Cheney(Liz) administration – You know that’s on the horizon.
When Obama came into power, the GOP wasn’t on the ropes; it was down for the count because of the devastation that Bush-Cheney had caused the nation. And Obama issued Bush-Cheney and Republicans, essentially, a pardon. None of them express any remorse or contrition. As a matter of fact, they’re rested and ready for another round of tax cuts for the rich and slicing-dicing Social Security, Medicare, and anything else they can get their hands on that belongs to the People.
And Obama wants to continue to play nice with them. Bush’s tax cuts for the rich are now Obama’s tax cuts for the rich.
If you didn’t like the Republican Party of the last 35 years, the party of Reagan (forget just the past 8), you’re going to hate where Obama and the Democratic establishment are taking the ‘new and improved’ Democratic Party, from which they hope “to govern for 100 years”.
Like Obama’s Debt Commission’s proposed Social Security cuts and privatization. Obama had already announced that if 14 of the 18 could agree on a plan, he’d be on board. All but one on that commission is for privatizing the Social Security trust fund. And just a few weeks ago, Nancy Pelosi said she’d back Simpson-Bowles. No surprise after she backed Obama’s deal with Boehner on Bush’s tax cuts.
Obama has been able to cut deals with Boehner because Pelosi has delivered the votes he needed, over the objections of her own caucus. The war supplemental that included the $108 billion in IMF funding, the healthcare bill with the anti-choice language and no public option, the deal to extend the Bush tax cuts and the Libya war defunding vote are just a few prominent examples.
The latest union- and job-killing free trade bills, SKoreaAFTA and CAFTA – Pelosi voted yea.
And H.R.347: Goodbye, First Amendment: ‘Trespass Bill’ will make protest illegal, outlaws protests in instances where some government officials are nearby, whether or not you even know it, anywhere in the country.- Pelosi voted yea.
And look who voted for NDAA – Pelosi!
There should be tax HIKES on corporations and the rich. There should be massive cuts to the military. Banks should be threatened with nationalization unless they begin lending to small businesses. There have been more than 3.5 million home foreclosures but there are 11 million more in the pipeline — There must be principal write-downs.
Democratic politicians should be beating this drum, loudly, constantly, and pushing the People’s Budget instead of working off of a set of corporate lobbyists’ plans.
Why aren’t Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Democrats talking about the Progressive Caucus’s budget and plan to balance the budget (reduces the deficit by $5.1 trillion)? It beats Obama’s and Republicans’ plans.
As Krugman has said, the Progressives’ budget:
But Obama takes solutions that work for the People, the vast majority of Americans, off the table, kneecapping, handicapping, the Democratic voters who put him and Democrats into power.
There’s no way to win against Republicans unless you fight Republicans. The only Republicans Obama and Democrats fight are Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh, two people with no job in government or the Republican Party.
Obama has set one bad precedent after another by not investigating and prosecuting Bush-Cheney, Wall St., the war profiteers. Unless he does, this ‘noble experiment’ is over, and you might as well pick out a curb with a view now. That is, if you manage to avoid the armed drones that are sure to be coming to America’s ‘subversive’ suburbs any day now.
Superb, virtually all-encompassing comment, marcospinelli!
Frankly, all of your comments are stellar, succinct, and spot-on.
A distinct pleasure to watch you at work.
I wonder if jadez will venture a serious, considered retort?
Or, perhaps, offer some sort of a “compromise”?
DW
Ah ha! Time. A factor to which I don’t think I have given enough importance in the equation. You may be right about time. At a slower pace, Obama’s Good Cop routine can play out. Without enough time for that, the owning class may have to switch to a more expedient flickering TV visage. Many thanks for the clarification! :)
Ha! Indeed. Your thoughts are always some of my favorite here, DW. Thanks!
I blatantly steal any decent idea I’ve ever had from comedians. In this case Jim Gaffigan.
For any still reading these comments who think there is a difference between the Reps and the Dems, check the link re HR 347 provided by marcospinelli: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/h149
Notice the percentage of “yeas.” Push through the links and read the text of HR 347 for yourself.
Obama is not a “compromiser”, he’s “The Great Capitulator”.