In contrast to a Reddit Q&A session that clarified the President’s position on the White House microbrewery and his favorite basketball player, Time Magazine offered a far more revealing look at the President’s plans for a second term, particularly as it relates to social insurance.
I’ve been laying out repeatedly that the great debate on fiscal issues occasioned by Paul Ryan’s entry into the race was not so great. That’s true on both sides. The Vice Presidential nominee spent last night clouding his true ambitions and criticizing the President for not devoting enough money to the auto bailout and not spending enough on Medicare. Meanwhile, when Obama gets into traditional media settings, he lets his true nature come out about being prepared to make a range of compromises, particularly as they relate to the deficit.
First of all, Obama explains precisely the nature of the narrowness in the economic policy debate:
And I still believe that that’s what the American people are looking for: solving problems. What I’ve tried to do is to take ideas from everyone — Democrats and Republicans — that I thought would make a difference in the lives of working families. That’s why the Recovery Act — a third of it was tax cuts, traditionally an idea Republicans supported. That’s why our health care bill relies on private insurance and why it looks so much like Governor Romney’s health care bill [...]
And I will continue to insist to my Democratic colleagues that not all good ideas just come from Democrats and that if we’re going to reduce our deficit in a serious way, we are going to have to cut some spending even on some programs that I like. If we’re going to be serious about energy independence, then we can’t just have a knee-jerk opposition to the incredible resources that we have in our country. We’ve got to have an all-of-the-above strategy that develops oil and gas and clean coal along with wind and solar.
After this, he improbably says that the election is “going to give voters a very clear choice.” There’s a discontinuity there, part of which can be absorbed by the realities of what the Romney campaign has proposed on paper – massive tax cuts, spending slashes on Medicaid and the poor that would cut to the bone. But Obama explains that his goal would be merely to cut those programs, just not all the way back that nobody could benefit from them.
My message to Democrats is the same message I’ve got to Republicans and independents, and that is, I want a balanced approach to deficit reduction that combines additional revenue, particularly from folks like me who can afford it, with prudent cuts on both the discretionary side and the mandatory side but that still allows us to make investments in the things we need to grow.
And that means I’m prepared to look at reforms in Medicaid. I’m prepared to look at smart reforms on Medicare. But there are things I won’t do, and this is part of the debate we’re having in this election. I do not think it is a good idea to set up Medicare as a voucher system in which seniors are spending up to $6,000 more out of pocket. That was the original proposal Congressman Ryan put forward. And there is still a strong impulse I think among some Republicans for that kind of approach.
I’m not going to slash Medicaid to the point where disabled kids or seniors who are in nursing homes are basically uncared for. We’re not going to violate the basic bargain that Social Security represents.
This is what passes for a great debate in American politics circa 2012. Sadder still, it IS a debate, just on a scale that leaves out the perspective of a substantial chunk, perhaps the majority, of the country.
Some will say that there’s an election to win, and Obama needs the support of 17 swing voters in Ohio and Iowa, and they would not take kindly to some radically transformative policy prescription. In fact, he says later in the interview, “We’re not looking for anything radical here. And frankly, the country doesn’t need radical changes.” I would argue that the reason he is depending on those 17 swing voters is that we’ve had three-plus years of 8% unemployment, and a focus on deficits rather than the textbook policies that bring back an economy have a lot to do with that. In fact, those job stats and the economic realities DEMAND something radical here, and it’s a supreme tragedy that millions of Americans haven’t seen anything of the sort.
The President has been dedicated to this fight, on social insurance and on a grand bargain, since the pre-inaugural transition, and at virtually every step of his Presidency. He hasn’t gotten his wish because of intransigence from Republicans on tax increases, to provide some cover. But he says something else ominous here, when asked about the second-term agenda:
We won’t be in that same kind of crisis, putting-out-the-fire mentality, in 2013–2014. There are a handful of big issues that we’re going to have to deal with. We’ve got to get our fiscal house in order. And so, one way or another, before midyear of 2013, we will have solved that problem. Either Mitt Romney will have won, and he and members of the Republican Congress will have pushed through their tax cuts and all the cuts that they are proposing, and people will be able to assess whether that worked. Or we’re going to have a balanced approach that I’ve proposed.
So that’s the promise. A destruction of the safety net or a weakening of it. There’s your great debate; it’s a debate, I just wouldn’t call it so great. Place your bets.
As a side note, to understand how Democrats became the party of austerity, do read this Corey Robin piece for the historical background. It’s well worth your time.





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Yup, his whole presidency he’s wanted austerity. Here he is on national TV on January 20th 2009, declaring his wish for a Grand Bargain in which “everyone’s going to have to have skin in the game.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCegSjXQ11U
January 11th 2009 actually.
I usually refer to them as The
BushObama Tax Cuts as a Swiftian joke. Now, it looks like it's no longer a witty jape, but the cold hard truth. I guess I can drop the stricken text now:Obama Tax Cuts
Keep this perspective in mind: if Obama simply lets the Bush tax cuts lapse, the national debt flat-lines, i.e., stops growing relative to GDP. Our “out-of-control crushing mountain of debt” comes under control and there is no “fiscal cliff” over which to hurtle.
Here are the key details from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP):
The additional revenue would amount to $402 billion in 2013, $493 billion in 2014, and $692 billion by 2019. The remaining deficit would be roughly equal to GDP growth, so the debt-to-GDP ratio would stop growing.
Here’s the link to that CBPP article.
Don’t forget, he was the only Congresscritter at the opening of the Bob Rubin/Pete Peterson-funded Hamilton Project. And you know what Peterson’s big hobby horse is, right?
a local ad by the Rick Berg campaign against Heidi Heitkamp starts out by saying Berg should be elected as a check and balance against Obama. I wonder if any other Repub candidates in other states are using this argument…saying, essentially, Romney’s going to lose.
Can you imagine any Republican of consequence saying
Never mind the $2.3- $2.6 trillion dollars of value blown out the tailpipes of America’s cars in the next five years? Ten years? How about the past 70 years????
Never mind the trillions of dollars blown out the tailpipes of America’s diesel trucks averaging 3.5 mile per gallon transporting food, which 40% is wasted?
Yes the fact that aristocrats buy law to not pay taxes to support the republic, while seeking emerging markets to exploit cheap labor, and getting tax credits for shipping jobs overseas to communist countries? Well Rape is rape now?
Does the term “corporate servitude,” ever cross your mind? ;)
Name one good republican idea that does not have a better proposal from the democratic side.
I hear Chuck Schooomer and Ron( Why Not ) Wyden, NY’s third Senator, off camera shouting ” You tell’em, Barack. You tell ‘em we’ll hold out and bargain hard for the last 20% of our constituent’s lifeline. We’re the people’s last, best hope. You tell ‘em, Barack Baby. You bad; you bad to the bone, Barack!!! “
His point is that Republicans rarely eat their own. You don’t often hear Republicans chastise other Republicans. As a matter of fact they use the crazy ones to advance the ball and float crap out there to see how the electorate will respond.
You don’t see a Republican kneecapping another Republican very often. I was actually surprised when they turned on Akin. I was pretty sure that they had no threshold that was too stupid or craven.
My point was that O’s desperate quest for a bipartisan, Broderesque nirvana is a fool’s errand.
Thank you.
What a fucking idiot!
Just think how fucking stupid that remark is! The more he talks, the less chance he has of squeaking out a victory.
If Smiley Oilbomber ever had a conscience or a sincere bone in his body (fat chance), we shall never know.
If he ever intended to pursue hopeful believable change, we shall never know.
Maybe Cheney told him to study the Zapruder Films.
…. what would happen to him if he didn’t play ball.
Oilbomber is playing Cheney ball.
Shouldn’t be any question about that.
Exactly! Rubin and Peterson are the tweedle and tweedledum of American politics. One operates on the left. The other on the right. The both run farm teams for the the 1% on their own side of the systems.
…X 2
Either way the billioinaires win. O deserves a stunning repudiation of his warmed over Republicans ideas. Actually hope the Republicans are successful in every voter suppression effort in the land and that the base is so disillusioned they either stay home or vote for Stein or Anderson. Maybe if the American public’s backs are against the wall they’ll finally stand up and fight back.
The bipartisan thing was merely cover for him to govern from the right. I actually don’t think he cares one way or another if he wins. He saved capitalism for the Republicans to finally destroy.
the great debate of this election; do we wnat to have austerity shoved up our butts with no vasoline (Romney/Ryan) or do we want to have it shoved up our butts w/vasoline? (BO Joe) Either bIG money wins…I cannot believe this moron really thinks most Americans are going thank him for screwing us over. He CANNOT BE THAT STUPID>>>
He must think life in most of America is fine! “gee gosh golly my plans have worked so I guess the unemployed are working now; homeowners are back in their homes; home prices are going back up” The more I read this guy the more I am convinced he is either stupid or is on drugs!
Is he really better then Palin? Be honest! is he?!! I regret voting for him
The good news is Obama wont be around long enough to make austerity deals with the republicans. He is done, no matter how you like him when they ask are you better off today than four years ago if your not filthy rich you prbly think no I am not. The irony is that the only people that can save him (his base) is the group he screwed over the most. Low turnout and low enthusiasm for his presidency will be his downfall. No one to blame for that but himself.
Private companies own the vote counting software. Obama has given big corps everything they want and will continue to do so when he “wins”
What’s amazing to me is not how similar President Obama is to the Republicans, but how similar sites like this are to tea party sites. Basically both red state and this site lie in order to arrive at the same conclusion: the black man is coming to steal from you, be afraid. Both are delusional, of couse, so far President Obama has raised the Social Safety net more than any President since Johnson and was willing to shut down the whole damn U.S. government in order to save Planned Parenthood. But, if you are to believe David Dayen the President unwilling to end Planned Parenthood, he is bound and determined to slash end Social Security.
David, like the right wing, proves his point through selective quotes. Yes, he’s showing the proper Krugmanian umbrage over “belt tightening” analogies but refuses to also aknowledge that he’s stolen that annalogy in order to justify increased investments. But why focus on that when we can all be mad at the “he didn’t build that” or in this case “let’s tighten our belt.”
The main difference between tea party left and tea party right is that at least tea party right works tpwards a goal that they’re achieving: wiping out the social safety net. And David Dayen, by treating any mention of any deal as this traitorous betrayal of all things good and holy is actually HELPING them with that goal. While it’s true that SS did not contribute to the debt and is doing fine for now, the long term solvency of SS should be addressed.
This is not me, an Obama “appologist” saying that it’s the Trustee Report
Many right wingers use the trustee report as evidence that the system doesn’t work and that we should end it. That’s NOT what the report says. In fact the changes that need to be made to set SS on a solid footing are slight and there are many ways to address it without causing a lot of pain or “slashing” benefits. That’s true because we have a while before any crises happens, but the longer we wait the more difficult it will be to address. Again, that’s not this resident “appologist” saying that, that’s the SS trustees saying that. Unfortunately, since most of you have no interest in even attempting to give President Obama FDR like Majorities, the only way to address this problem is to deal with Republicans. Sorry, that’s the reality you helped create in 2010.
By insisting, obstinately that this President who’s so far expanded the Safety net can’t even talk about the safety net you’re insuring actual draconian cuts in the future. By insisting that our side (and yes, President Obama is on your side, even if you don’t know it) can’t even talk about SS or Medicare you’re insuring that ONLY their side is talking about it since the Republicans make no demands as to what their leadership can and cannot say.
The reason why the Republicans are latching onto the 716 Billion dollar lie is because they want to perpetuate the beliefe that it is impossible to save money and still keep-in fact improve- the system. President Obama’s changes added 8 years to the solvency of medicare AND increased benefits for seniors. And most of you, to your shame, fought tooth and nail to stop him. Now you, like the Republicans are using the same scare tactics doing all you can to insure that it’s only the Republicans that have a say in how SS is dealt with. I only hope you fail as badly as you did last time.
If Obama wins, the next four years will be like the first four, on steroids. His idea of compromise is moving so far to the right that even the Republicans have run out of room and Tea Baggers are scared.
Two fresh cases in point:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/business/energy-environment/us-approves-trial-drilling-for-shell-near-alaska-with-conditions.html?_r=1&hpw
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/30/justice-department-wont-bring-charges-over-cia-interrogations/
It’s now Aug 31 2:30am, why a review of Ryan’s convention speech but not Romney’s? For those who want to be proud of themselves and America the convention culminating with Romney’s pep talk was a real high. Maybe as destructive as a Meth high. Ironically Romney keeps warning, when the subject of drugs comes up, not to legalize Meth. I think he is right, but getting Meth-ed out without Meth can be just as dangerous,
http://my.firedoglake.com/richardkanepa/2012/08/30/the-republican-high-like-pure-meth-climaxing-with-romneys-pep-talk-high/
Case in point that Obama is about complete bullsh*t. Anybody that believes Obama ever considered any ideas from progressive Democrats or economists deserves to have this bullsh*t artist as President for the next four years. You can count me out. By contrast he never met a right-wing Republican idea he didn’t embrace in the bullsh*t name of bipartisanship, when no Republicans ever vote yea on any legislation he promotes.
The Obamabots are fond of comparing Obama’s critics on the left to the Tea Party, but it’s them who remind me of the right wing, particularly Bush. Like the Dim Son, they invent a whole new reality when the existing one does not favor them. In this alternate reality, Obama and the Democratic Party cannot fail, they can only be failed. Jane Hamsher, Glenn Greenwald, and a handful of lefty bloggers are far more influential on public opinion than the President of the United States. Republican Presidents are invincible evil Supermen, but Democratic Presidents are so, so limited. Gore won Florida in 2000 when it’s time to bash Bush, and Bush won Florida when it’s time to bash Nader. The magic number of Senators floats up and down at will from 51 to 60 to 70. When progressive voters don’t show up to the polls, it’s because they’re “purists” who “didn’t get their pony”, or in your own words “We either forget how bad things were and don’t show up to the polls or we decide they’re not getting better fast enough and don’t show up for the polls.”
So far, Obamabots and their predecessors in the Democratic Party have failed to create Homo Democraticus. Yelling at people to blindly support their political party no matter what has not created a revolution in human behavior. Progressive are human just like everyone else, and they want to vote for candidates who make a real difference in their lives.
Many voters did not find that things were “not getting better fast enough” in Obama’s first two years. They found that their situation was getting worse. Income declined by more during the “recovery” than during the recession. In the first two years of the “recovery”, 88% of the gains went to corporate profits, far more than in any recovery in at least the past four decades. There were a truly shocking number of foreclosures and the Administration did little to prevent them. Millions lost their jobs.
As for FDR-like majorities, good frickin’ luck trying to sell that to the swing voters who the Democrats care so much about. That should be a real winner of an argument with them. “Well, you see, the Republicans can get whatever they want by controlling the White House and bare majorities in Congress, but we need the White House and at least two thirds of the House and Senate to find our asses with both hands on a regular basis”
as The Fonz would say “exactamundo”
And anyone berating me and telling me my feelings for Obama the murderous cur are based on his complexion is a person not worthy of my attention.
Republicans have a number of good ideas for expanding our domestic energy supply, while Democrats only know how to talk about conservation and windmills.
Romney uses the same “solvency” baloney. I mean how solvent is the war machine? Any program is solvent if it is funded. We have been deprogrammed from centrism. All you do is trash Republicans while promoting their ideology and their policies. At least with Republicans we get truth in labeling.
Holy straw-man Batman!
The ONE argument that you CLAIM I’m making that I actually am making is that there is little difference between tea-left and tea-right. They’re both characterized by blatant lies and, yes, racism.
First off, YOU’RE the ones claiming to be the Democratic “base” declaring that the President ignore or criticize the typing commandos at his peril. My criticism of the “handful of lefty bloggers” which includes Arianna Huffington is the same as my criticism of Fox News- they lie. They lie for the same purpose- to depress Democratic turn-out. Neither Fox News nor the Frustrati are more influential on public opinion than the President. What they are good at is fomenting anger and hatred towards this President among a rabid few. At the same time both are ironically claiming to be the ultimate keepers of the truth. Fox at least mobilizes people to action- FDL just seems to want folks to whine.
I don’t know about the mythical “obamabot” but I do know that I never claimed Bush won in Florida. I did claim that Bush lost Florida but that the frustrate at the time enabled him to be close enough to steal it. Nuance! Deal with it.
Bush was evil, but no superman. His record in terms of domestic accomplishments was as pathetic as the rest of his presidency. There was no Social Security reform, no immigration reform, Harriet Miers is not on the SC. He had two major domestic accomplishments: No Child Left Behind, passed with the help of Ted Kennedy and the Tax cuts. He wanted the Bush tax cuts to be permanent. They’re not, the only way Republicans can keep them is by making concessions to Democrats.
While it is true that President Bush accomplished almost his entire foreign agenda, the same can be said of President Obama. That’s just a function of the way our Constitution was set up. However President Obama, unlike Bush, has a record of domestic accomplishments far exceeding any President since Johnson. In fact, President Obama has been a more transformational President for Democrats than Reagan was for Republicans.
I’m not asking you to “blindly” support anyone. What I am requesting is that you stop blindly condemning . President Obama has made a real difference in the lives of millions of people including myself. He’s made a difference to those who are saving 600 a year because of the closing donut hole. He’s made a difference to people like me who can now get insurance because of the high-risk pool. He’s made a difference to those who are no longer being charged a $37.00 overdraft fee on a pack of gum. He’s made a difference to gays who can now serve openly in the military. He’s made a difference to the union people working in a GM plant. He’s made a difference to the parents of a child with a pre-existing condition.
Again, it’s a lie that Republicans got “everything they wanted”. Aside from that, this is EXACTLY what happened under FDR. The economic crises we faced in 2008 with 800,000 jobs being lost a month and the economy contracting at 9% was at least as great, if not greater, than the crises we faced in 1929. The only reason why it was not worse than 1929 was 1. The remnants of the New Deal/great Society and 2. The Herculean efforts of a great President and Congress that prevented that disaster from occurring. Yet despite the fact that the economy for the first two years of Roosevelt was growing at a slower rate than it is now, Democrats THAN went to the polls and gave him a LARGER majority. They didn’t whine- they acted. That’s why they are called the greatest generation.
Denials of racism does not mean anything. Every racist denies they are a racist. The way you’re able to tell is by the way they act, not what they say. While your racism is not as obvious as a bone through the nose nor as crude as a field of watermelons you are still racist in that they have one standard for white men and another for a black man (my guess is that the white presidents- who also dropped a considerable number of bombs- were never referred to as murderous curs).
The fact is that there is not a single President in history that has ever measured up to the standards of the Professional Left which is 1. Get sweeping legislation done 2. Never make deals to get the legislation done 3. Never compromise an inch.
FDR does not live up to that standard. He doesn’t even come close. FDR bailed out banks. And i don’t recall any mass arrest of “banksters” from my reading of history. FDR hired the head of General Motors to be his Secretary of Treasury, and he hired a robber baron to be the first head of the S.E.C. . Imagine what the PL of today would say to that?
FDR “caved” to the blue dogs of his day when he excluded the vast majority of black people from Social Security eligibility. He also capitulated to the America Firsters when he denied Jewish refuges. Do I need to even mention the internment of Japanese Americans? Remember that FDR did all this “caving” while having majorities in both Houses that Obama could only imagine. The day that Obama sees 75 Senate Democrats will be the day when the Professional Left’s woeful comparisons have validity (this was at a time when there were only 96 Senators since Hawaii and Alaska weren’t States yet).
While we all love to hear stories of the New American Camelot, the reality is that both JFK and RFK came to power largely by sucking up to Joseph McCarthy. JFK’s Secretary of the Treasury was a hold-over from Eisenhower’s administration. JFK’s chief economic accomplishment was in cutting capitol gains tax for the wealthy. JFK “caved” to Hoover’s desire to bug Martin Luther King and referred to CORE as “Pains in the asses.” Aside from a really nice speech, JFK wasn’t any better in terms of Civil Rights than Eisenhower.
And with his 64 seat Senate majority and similar majority in the house what major legislative accomplishments did Kennedy accomplish for the 99% in his too short two years in office? The Peace Corp? He got that done through executive order. The fact is that JFK, unlike Barack Obama, was lousy at getting his agenda through Congress.
Barack Obama has done more than any other President with similar majorities has done. That is a fact that I DEFY any member of the professional left to disprove. If Barack Obama is such a sub-par President then this should be an easy way to shut me up. If any President could do it, why didn’t they? I’ll even give a helpful link: http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html.
Clinton had the same majorities and an easier opposition to start and failed to get much done in the way of progressive legislation. Carter had 61 Dems in the Senate just as large a majority in the house his ENTIRE term to work with and did not do much with it.
LBJ (68 Dems) caved to the insurance companies of HIS day in making sure that Medicare only applied to those over 65. This is when insurance companies had MUCH less pull then they have now. And then there’s the capitulation to the military industrial complex in Vietnam.
Every President, Democratic and Republican, compromises to get their agenda passed. There is no President that measures up to the standards imposed on Obama. The fact that they’re holding THIS President to such a double standard is the precise reason why minority authors such as Mellissa Harris Perry, Imani Gandy of Angry Black Lady and Spandan Chakrabarty of the People’s View think that much of the hyper- criticism coming from the left is based largely on racism. The Professional Left cries foul at these allegations but until they explain the obvious double standard, this accusation appears valid.
Yes, that’s true. Social Security is solvent if we fund it. But in order to fund it we need to talk to Republicans. I’m sorry, we can’t just wish them into the cornfield, we can only vote them there. If you want to vote them away, i’m with you. But while they’re there pretending they don’t exist or getting mad at Obama for not “standing up” to them is the strategy of wishful thinking, not saving Solcial Security.
Also, SS is not like the military. SS takes up far to much of our budget to fix at a moments notice. We don’t have the luxury of waiting till 2033 in order to fund the shortfall. Again, read the trustee report if you don’t believe me.
I was raised in Detroit in the sixties so I know racism. I couldn’t get past your first paragraph.
Well, that’s the Bill O’Reilly response when people point out his racism, either shout him down, shut him up or ignore him. Stop the double standard and i’ll stop pointing it out.