I’ve already made myself clear about our glorious post-fact universe, and I don’t really think these examples of the traditional media supposedly meeting their obligations relative to Paul Ryan’s convention speech fit the bill. These examples come from the segregated “fact-check” organizations and the opinion pages of the large newspapers and media outlets. The facts are shunted off to the side, separated from the “news,” which is a calm regurgitation of what happened, ripped from context and perspective.
James Downie’s call to journalists offers a glimmer of hope, but only a glimmer:
With tonight’s speech, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have doubled down on their twin bets of 2012 — that journalists will sit back and name winners and losers without regard to who is telling the truth, and that voters are too ignorant to care about the truth. Do not let them be right.
I just don’t think Downie will be all that pleased with the results. So it’s odd for me to even consider trudging out and setting the record straight on one of these falsehoods. But the story of the Janesville GM plant is too egregious, so let’s just get through it on the off chance that some journalist might take heed.
Then-candidate Obama showed up at that Janesville plant in February 2008, during the primaries. This is what he said:
“I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday, and I know how hard your governor has fought to keep jobs in this plant. But I also know how much progress you’ve made — how many hybrids and fuel-efficient vehicles you’re churning out,” Obama said. “And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”
That was February. By June, GM announced they would close the Janesville plant. And Paul Ryan, along with his Democratic colleagues in the Senate, wrote a letter to GM asking them to reconsider. But he did more than that. He used what power, influence, and federal funds he could muster to try to convince GM to stay put. Matthew DeLuca writes:
Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, the Republican vice-presidential candidate, was a leading member of a task force convened by the state’s Democratic governor in 2008, Jim Doyle, to save a once-flourishing automobile plant in Ryan’s hometown of Janesville, according to state officials.
After General Motors announced on June 3, 2008 that it intended to close the nearly 100-year-old plant by 2010, Ryan joined a core group of about a dozen other Wisconsin officials from both parties in the GM Retention Task Force. Their efforts were ultimately unsuccessful, and the company suspended all operations at the facility by Dec. 23, 2008, eliminating 2,400 jobs. It has been in “standby” mode since.
In his role on the task force, Ryan—the House Budget Committee chair whose plans to reduce the size of government and with it the extent of what he’s called “crony capitalism” made him a national figure—negotiated directly with GM executives; about how a taxpayer-funded “incentive package” to try to convince the company to keep the plant in his district running.
Then Ryan voted for the auto bailout, under the Bush Administration, and sought to get stimulus money used for the purposes of saving the Janesville plant.
This is what House members are SUPPOSED to do for their districts, by the way. It’s perfectly acceptable behavior, and would be a dereliction of duty if it weren’t undertaken. Janesville needed that plant. But it shut down in December of 2008. It’s on “standby” should GM ever need to use it again, and with GM on an upward trajectory – which wouldn’t have happened without the auto bailout – that could come to pass. But it’s not likely that would happen. Janesville’s plant made full-size SUVs and that market simply collapsed. The entire factory would have to be retooled. The loss at Janesville is as much about product mix – and the missteps of a private company – as anything.
The larger point, that the recovery did not come fast enough to matter for a great many people, is correct. Grafting that onto the Janesville GM plant is a hard sell. But that’s what Eric Fehrnstrom tried today:
“[H]e didn’t talk about Obama closing the plant, he said candidate Obama went there in 2008 and what he said was with government assistance, we can keep this plant open for another 100 years,” argued Fehrnstrom. “Here are we are four years into his administration; that plant is still closed. I think it’s a symbol of the recovery that hasn’t materialized for the people of Janesville, Wis., just as it hasn’t materialized for Americans everywhere.”
Only the methods that could have been used to more quickly materialize that recovery are methods that Paul Ryan publicly despises but privately tried to enact over and over again for Janesville. They involve more public spending. If Paul Ryan wants to argue for a bigger bailout for GM, he can go ahead and do that explicitly.




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Funny, No mention of the Ford plant opened in China? Did Ford get a tax credit for shipping jobs overseas, to reduce labor costs and pay shareholders?
Lying liars always lie. I don’t know who said that.
Maybe it was me. I forget.
The question could be: should Obama have ” demanded” that GM keep the plant open as a pre condition to the GM baiilout? And if he had done that would that not have violated republican principles by tellin the job creators what to do? I mean GM is a private business run for profit. Would such an imposition not be socialism? And if GM got into further trouble would that have been Obama’s fault too? Seems to be a classic no win scenario. What happened at Solyndra BTW. Obama caused that one too? GM decided to close it for cost and marketing considerations as DD said.
I spent ten long years working with top executives and can tell you with confidence that there is more waste and corruption in the private sector than the Government waste we keep hearing about. Capitalism will always be the best economic system so long as it has Socialism to bail it out. If you read history the proof is there.
Seems Ryan wants to be the profound and wise man of the republican party. So he tells whoppers thinking no one will notice or at least the low information base will not notice, or if they do, will ignore it as a small fib.
Hmph! I jumped all up into a conservative at work when he was holding forth about “Obama’s bank bailout”. I pointed out that the TARP legislation was written by a Bush Staffer and was signed by Dubya, not Obama. Obama voted for it, as did McCain. Facts don’t matter to conservatives. The narrative is all there is. They lie by default and lie even when there is no discernable advantage to lying.
If the Repugs didn’t lie, they’d have nothing to say …
Actually that sounds right.
It’s a sport you know. So you gotta keep in practice or the other guy will tell a bigger whopper that you and then you lose.
I’ve read all the fact check reports, and I’m surprised not one of them listed the change in welfare’s work requirement.
Most of the headline scream 5 whoppers, or 5 lies!
I could only really see one possible lie, and that “lie” is based on this GM Plant closure.
The problem I see here is that he didn’t really lie, people are misinterpreting what he said. He was making a larger point that the recovery hasn’t happened yet. See below.
“[H]e didn’t talk about Obama closing the plant, he said candidate Obama went there in 2008 and what he said was with government assistance, we can keep this plant open for another 100 years,” argued Fehrnstrom. “Here we are four years into his administration; that plant is still closed. I think it’s a symbol of the recovery that hasn’t materialized for the people of Janesville, Wis., just as it hasn’t materialized for Americans everywhere.”
Oh bullshit. Did you read post? Even Chris Matthews had a whole bunch of lies on his,show.
According to a feature on this published by TPM… http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/yes-paul-ryan-did-blame-president-obama-for-a-2008-plant-closure.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
there is actually one more important chapter to the story. If I may paste a few paragraphs of their feature here:
“While GM already planned to close the plan before 2010, the financial collapse that fall moved things up. On Dec. 23, 2008, the plant ceased SUV production, leaving over 1,000 employees out of a job. The Janesville Gazette devoted virtually their entire paper to covering its last day and a slideshow they produced of its workers saying goodbye to the plant is as wrenching as it gets.
While the vast majority of workers were ousted that day, the plant retained a small number — 57 employees — to finish outstanding orders on trucks for Isuzu before the plant shut down entirely. Conservative commentators have cited the smaller operation, which ended in April 2009, as evidence Obama did bear responsibility for its closure, but it was understood to be a temporary operation from the start. Local news coverage made this clear.
In keeping with the June announcement, the plant ended up shut down entirely. It was still owned by GM, however, and remained technically “standby.” ”
(The TPM story has links to local publications referred to above.)
Apparently the Repubs are trying to hang their hats on this bit of contract work done for Isuzu to maintain that the plant didn’t shut down until April 2009. But as TPM documents, that’s really quite a twist on what actually happened. GM made it abundantly clear in 2008 that the decision to shut down (putting the plant in its current “standby” mode) was final.
Perhaps the only good thing to come out of that embarrassment of a speech is that it finally seems to have crossed some invisible line of brazenness. Mainstream media is finally calling Ryan out as the liar he is. The following link goes to a post in DailyKos listing some two dozen plus articles shredding Ryan’s speech. These included most of the major media outlets including overseas and including an absolutely damning article that appeared in FOX. It has been facebook shared 87,000 times and tweeted 21,000 times so far and is their top trending article.
Here’s the DailyKos link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/30/1125935/-LYIN-RYAN-ALL-THE-MEDIA-PUSHBACK
And here’s a direct link to the FOX article:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?intcmp=trending