As I noted yesterday, the Justice Department ended its investigation into the final two cases of suspected CIA torture, both of which resulted in deaths of the detainees (two of the over 100 detainees who have died in US custody). Glenn Greenwald writes eloquently and comprehensively on that as the final immunity given to the crimes committed during the Bush Administration.
And of course, this isn’t the only area. In addition to veritable immunity for those who committed torture in America’s name, we’ve seen veritable immunity for those in the financial sector who committed crimes that led to the crash of our economy. And here, the systematic nature of the immunity is very much in line. First, the President determined that he wanted to look forward and put policies in place that would limit the damage from future financial crises. That led to Dodd-Frank (just as the executive order to “end” torture came out), but pretty much put all of the focus on looking forward rather than backward, just like in the torture cases. The settlements that granted immunity in exchange for some limited relief that allowed banks to pay it off mainly for actions they were already taking are also in this mix. When some of the fraud and abuse was undeniable, a “task force” was set up to investigate them, one which is just as quietly closing up its investigations, much like the John Durham investigations closed. Maybe those task forces will surprise us all someday, but considering that the main protagonist, the so-called “Scariest Man in America” to the banks, spent this week issuing subpoenas on the energy drink industry, I’m thinking not.
This does not only have an impact on the framework on our system of justice; it has an impact on our economy. This interview with Professor David Skeel of the University of Pennsylvania makes clear that drifting away from the rule of law – and he makes explicit reference to property rights in this context – leads to a series of inevitable problems. I don’t agree with everything that Skeel says – letting Bear Stearns go bankrupt probably would have just accelerated the financial crisis timeline, and the attitude seems more inclined toward laissez-faire – but when you break down the rule of law, you sap at the vitality of the American economy. If the government just plans to bail out big businesses and eliminate accountability for fraud, you just perpetuate that fraud. You turn the economy into more of a kleptocracy. And traditionally kleptocracies are slower economies from the standpoint of growth, which is not hard to figure.
Some take an ends-justify-the-means attitude here, saying that the banks needed to be preserved, and that the rule of law cannot be an obstacle to crisis. But I think the record indicates that we get the economy we deserve when we defer accountability forever.
Sadly, in both cases, with respect to torture and the banking industry, you won’t see them become part of our national conversation in the midst of an election. On torture, it’s because the parties basically agree; on banking, that’s true to an extent, but it’s also because marginalized constituencies don’t get their concerns heard in the national debate. I think the way to get at this is to show how we have a substantially and dramatically worse economy when it’s run by people who can commit fraud and get away with it.




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If we think of torture as a war crime, then the “constituency” that opposes torture would be those who oppose brutality and war, i.e., those in favor of peace. Seems to me that polling shows a clear two-thirds majority of the country is broadly opposed to our current wars. Torture is just a continuation of those wars by other means. I doubt the percentage opposing torture reaches the 66% who now say the Iraq war was a mistake, but I bet a majority opposes torture.
Seems to me the constituency that has been “marginalized,” both in their opposition to war and in their opposition to thievery by banks, is the majority of the U.S. population. Both major parties ignore the will of the people in continuing to support torture and continuing to oppose criminal prosecutions of bankers. The people, seeing their will grossly distorted by the corporate media and ignored by elected office holders, are giving the establishment the finger. Isn’t it likely that the population’s disgust with the establishment will have economic consequences?
Greenwald included important reminders of these courageous guys:
Prosecute Bush for torture? Haven’t the statutes limitation expired anyway?
Whatever.
I am tired of talking about why Obama isn’t prosecuting Bush. That discussion is so 2008.
For a change in pace, let’s focus for at least a while about execution by drone, without so much as an arrest, let alone counsel, trial by jury, etc.
Holder asserts that the decision of the president to execute someone can substitute for all the protections given a suspect by the Bill of Rights. And we’re still talking about Obama covering up Bush’s alleged crimes?
What about Obama’s own drone crimes? he’s been public about them, even joked about them. So, what are we doing about them?
Yes, and the population shall pay for it.
Gawd. Couldn’t take Skeel any longer. Law school does produce brain damage.
Thank you, David.
” I think the way to get at this is to show how we have a substantially and dramatically worse economy when it’s run by people who can commit fraud and get away with it.”
It is a very sad thing when public policy has to be reduced to a cost analysis scenario.
People who are going to hold their noses and vote for Obama, do you really want four more years of this?
I don’t care about cost analysis. I care about what this is going to do to our society. People, this won’t be holding your nose. It will be cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I guess the list could be long, I add
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The explosion killed 11 men working on the platform and injured 17 others. (wikipedia)
I predict that this one is going the way of torture and banking.
Of course we have rule of law.
One set of laws for the rich and powerful and one set for the poor.
Twas ever thus, especially with reduced “upward mobility”. Next – titles for the rich and powerful (Which exist, President, Governor, Judge, Doctor, Senator, etc).
I am no more afraid of mitt winning than I am of 0 winning. We actually have governing records for both of them and we have records of their words. There is NO WAY that I will vote for either of them. I will vote at the local level. The primary agenda for both, no matter what they say, is to protect the 1% and their private armies that carry out the crimes and to take from the poor and give to the rich. Even someone I’m very close to, thinks that the catfood commission has the right answers for our economy, so 0 and all the propaganda of the past have done the job of spreading disinformation successfully.
…and what? Vote for Mittens?
Sometimes I wish the infrastructure could just disappear for a while…no electricity and all the 1′s and 0′s go away. No money , no fraud, well, maybe not none but certainly more obvious.
We could start over. I don’t know how we do it otherwise. You can reboot only for a while, then you have to start over by first reformatting the system.
The Rule of Law.. don’t make me laugh.
First, keep your hands around the throats of the guys with the guns. If you slack off, they’ll make you their bitch.
Second, keep your hands around the throats of the guys with the money. If you slack off, they’ll make you their bitch.
Third, be ready and willing to call on the Mob to further your own political and personal life. If you slack off, you’re powerless in front of the guns and the money guys.
Fourth, if you fail at 1, 2 & 3 and your egomania keeps you in the game, roll yourself over and play dead or somebody will do it for you.
Don’t overthink this situation. Its about greed, power domination and survival.
Disagree.
Abandoning laws makes for a great economy for looters.
So long as wealth is seen as participating in a zero sum game, the rich have to grab power, for how else do they keep the rest of the population down?
I agree. Only local races are worth voting in. I don’t need any heroes, but both these guys don’t meet any minimum standard if you have any. Many local candidates do.
Here, the locals are worse! They are laughable versions of the national atrocities.
I can foresee that most of my voting will be write-in.
An economy in which the majority of people have no confidence in financial institutions and the rest are shills, who grift, or marks to be fleeced is imminently unsustainable and hallmark of a society in a steep decline. Even those who gain the most from equality have abandoned any pretense towards preservation. 'Interesting times we live in.
Oops. gain the most from inequality. The parasite seems intent on killing the host nowadays.
Yes, interesting, which the Chinese consider to be a curse!
“In addition to veritable immunity for those who committed torture in America’s name, we’ve seen veritable immunity for those in the financial sector who committed crimes that led to the crash of our economy.”
We also gave immunity to those who failed to protect the USA on 9/11/01. Some folks needed to be fired (at the minimum) for that failure. And, just like in the examples above, those folks went on to very successful careers.
As did the people involved with the Iran-Contra crimes, and the current murder by drone crimes.
We are a lawless police state – only the little people have to worry about breaking the laws. And the law will come down hard on them.
Here our locals are pretty reasonable no matter if d or r. Bear country is mostly strongly r, but livable for a d.
BTW, Spring, do you live in Spring? I used to live in Houston and for a short while, I worked out by Intercontinental.
Life must be a little discouraging in your area. Corruption must be rampant there if incompetents keep getting in power.
We must protect our freedoms in the good ole USA. That is of course freedom for thieves and felons with a high net worth.
S. Brian Willson has said basically the same thing. Today is “Remembering Nuremberg Actions and Recommitting Ourselves” at the Concord Naval Weapons Station.
Really! I am surrounded by activists who simply are treated like gnats to be swatted away, even those whose credentials to speak in opposition is stellar.
The majority seem to be applauding O’s illegal drone killing campaign and accept Holder’s explanation of “due process”. We live in USA,Inc. AKA Dumfukistan.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/08/31/the-finance-bomb/ This article gets to the root of who’s screwing who in America. It really is simple, and age-old. Capitalism is designed to take advantage of the poor, in order to benefit the rich,period.