The Democratic platform on Iran has a mix of pleas for a diplomatic solution combined with the ever-present threats and vows of military force if required. It acknowledges straight-out that “Iran has yet to build a nuclear weapon” but adds that the country has “failed to meet its obligations under the NPT (Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty). It commits the President to “using all instruments of national power to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.” While it stresses that “a diplomatic outcome remains the best and most enduring solution,” it follows that up by saying that “the window for diplomacy will not remain open indefinitely and that all options – including military force – remain on the table.”
The conclusion is that there is still time and space to “put increasing pressure on the Iranian regime to live up to its obligations and rejoin the community of nations, or face the consequences,” kind of a merging of the diplomacy/military force themes. The best indicator of the Administration policy is that Joe Biden has said a couple times recently on the campaign trail that Mitt Romney would get us involved in wars in Iran and Syria, implying that Obama-Biden would not.
But what’s missing here is the simple acknowledgement of reality, that a military intervention short of a regime overthrow would not actually divert the path of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon, if they actually seek one. In fact, while currently it’s ambiguous whether or not Iran will ever want a nuclear weapon – the Supreme Leader claims there are Islamic prescriptions against it, and the consensus of the US intelligence community is that Iran has no active nuclear weapons program – striking at the country militarily will almost certainly push them in that direction.
You don’t have to take my word for it. Just take a look at this quote from former Bush-era CIA and NSA Director Michael Hayden:
“I do not underestimate the Israeli talent, but geometry and physics tell us that Iran’s nuclear program would pose a difficult challenge to any military, as it is not a raid, and Israel’s resources are more limited than those of the U.S.,” Hayden told Haaretz.
“There is no absolute certainty that all targets are known,” he added. “They will have to be revisited – which only the U.S. Air Force would be able to do – and the operation will only set the Iranians back some time and actually push them to do that which it is supposed to prevent, getting nuclear weapons.”
Hayden was saying this in the context of Israel, for an Israeli audience. And he tried to make a distinction between the Israeli capacity to take out Iranian nuclear sites, and the capacity of the US Air Force. But I’m not sure the distinction is all that great. If the targets aren’t all known to Israel, they’re not all known to the United States. Yes, the US could commit to a more sustained bombing campaign, but at that point you’re talking about a full-on war. And I don’t think Hayden would suggest that the US could pull off regime change solely from the air. Meaning that there would still be a power apparatus in place in Iran, one which is now besieged from the skies, and which will have two reactions: 1) lashing out with strikes against US interests all over the world; 2) building a deterrent through a nuclear capacity, which is simply the logical response.
US officials agree that an Israeli strike would at best buy the world a few years. And that’s true of a US attack as well, unless we’re prepared to invade and overthrow the government of another country in the Arab world. The threats of military force are frankly empty and more of a negotiating ploy. An actual military intervention would be complete insanity.





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Obama Attacked Over Party Platform on Jerusalem
…“It is unfortunate that the entire Democratic Party has embraced President Obama’s shameful refusal to acknowledge that Jerusalem is Israel’s capital,” Mr. Romney said in a statement. He added, “Four years of President Obama’s repeated attempts to create distance between the United States and our cherished ally have led the Democratic Party to remove from their platform an unequivocal acknowledgment of a simple reality. As president, I will restore our relationship with Israel and stand shoulder to shoulder with our close ally.”
A spokeswoman for the Democratic National Committee, Melanie Roussell, said the Obama administration’s policy toward Jerusalem mirrors that of previous administrations. “As the White House said several months ago, the status of Jerusalem is an issue that should be resolved in final status negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians – which we also said in the 2008 platform. We will continue to work with the parties to resolve this issue as part of a two state solution that secures the future of Israel as a Jewish state and the homeland of the Jewish people.”
Let’s just ignore the fact that Iran has complex, fairly modern air defense systems. They also have an Air Force. They have a highly educated populace and a fairly competent military. They are not Iraq or Afghanistan, IOW.
An air strike on targets within Iran would trigger a war with casualty rates that the world hasn’t seen since Vietnam. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will die.
Buy “the world” a few years? Your slip is showing!
I agree that attacking Iran would be “complete insanity”, but that fact doesn’t seem to be a deterrent for the reigning chicken-hawks in Washington. What’s striking to me is the discussion about slashing medical help for Americans in the same breath.
In case you missed it the war already started. Open threats ,sanctions to kill the kids the train has left the station and people are dying by our hand
“…unless we’re prepared to invade and overthrow the government of another country in the Arab world.”
Historical dementia…. This Iranian cluster fuck is the result of US and British overthrow of a legitimate election decades before. America is like a fucking crackhead in denial and suffering from selective memory loss, because it is easier to lie repeatedly, than to face facts.
America created this mess, at the behest of western oil interests who believed the oil beneath Iran was theirs.
The Hague found differently said differently. It did not suit the western oil whores, so Mossadegh was overthrown by US and Britain, the Shah and Savak where installed killing thousands of Iranian dissenter saying, what many Americans say millions times a day, “fuck you oil whores……………”
Its called protect the corporate slave owners and their business models at any and all expense. In America or in Iran!
Fuck Mitt Romney, the consummate corporate aristocrat!
The sooner the Persians get the big one, the better for us hoi polloi. It would be dicey for awhile but the Ayatollahs, like the Popes, have grown accustomed to the good life. And the Israelis wouldn’t have as much clout as they do now – a big plus. And even we are not crazy enough to invade or bomb a country with the big one. Things might actually cool down a bit.
I know too many citizens now who actually *complain* about “their taxes” being spent on returned Vets for medical & mental health services, amongst other things. Yet not one of them is even aware of the present build-up to WAR, Inc with Iran. And not one will put one boot on the ground in protest of this disasterous, expensive & killing event. Not. One. Protest.
But whiiiiing about Vets getting taken care of afterwards? USA! Fuck Yeah!
The impetus to WAR, Inc is too powerful a draw for the rich & powerful. They make a lotta money from killing people in “distant lands.” Easier still to justify if those people are dusky-hued and are dreadful terrris Muslims ‘n all. Yeee Haw!
Bingo! Thanks for the comment, it saves me having to type it.
Please, I wouldn’t even do his wife.
Don’t forget to include the USA,Inc./Obama administration support for the designated terrorist organization MEK.
It’s no mystery. The military big wigs don’t want a war that Americans are against so they start shouting to cut military spending.
Best to lay low, and just spend the trillion dollars a year on all their buddy military contractors and mercenaries and police state policing and just keep the racket going.
We should send them Gucci Bags infected with small pox virus? A modern day rendition of American hospitality to native American Indians, blankets?
You mean American fascism?
Yeah, do you think it will ever make it into the American history books?
Your welcome.
Yes and the record starts here. America is a fascist state. Time for Americans to correct this dysfunction shoved down our throats by corporate fascists, just as our family members took care of fascist bastards in Germany, who threatened our families and the world.
Most citizens are clueless about what’s really happening and for what reasons. It’s all this vague, misty fog of 9/11, terrorists, safety, blah blah… No real thought is given to the fact that foreign nationals are dying so that (in part) we can buy cheap gas and drive thoughtlessly.
The people I know – mostly well educated, I’m sad to say – wouldn’t “get” what you’re suggesting with the Gucci bag.
IMO many citizens are completely self-absorbed and can’t be bothered to consider what’s being done in their name and with their tax dollars.
Careful, the Russians still have viable cultures of the same. But I imagine the CIA has already been informed of that by the CDC. Wonderful things these acronyms and so beloved of the bureaucrats.
Vlad, the Putin, prefers radioactive isotopes, comrade. Small pox viruses are so, like, 2 centuries ago…
No shit…. They are more concerned about “Snookie.”
Fucking Pathetic……….
That’s how I see it, too. The problem is that if the Iranians get one, the Saudi’s will want to get one. I think Israel is more concerned about a Saudi bomb than an Iranian one. We don’t want the Israeli’s bombing our main source of oil.
Why is Hayden suddenly credible. Stopped clock theory?
Does this sound like a certain central European country circa 1935?
How many of our waring class do you think care what he thinks or where his mistress lives?
Oh shit, no one in the ME would use the bomb except Israel. Who care who gets it.
If you didn’t catch it, Grand Ayatollah of Iran went on a long disquosition at NAM2012 about how immoral atom bomb is.
Just in for a drive by so no time to find link. If you want to track it down, it will be on presstv-ir.
He’s just a conduit for CIA and DOJ insiders. It’s a message to the MOTU. ‘Don’t go there. It’s not in your financial interest.’
“The people I know – mostly well educated, I’m sad to say – wouldn’t “get” what you’re suggesting with the Gucci bag.”
Well educated but fucking dumb! Yes seen droves of them. Morlock or Eloi anyone….
Jawohl. Es tut mir leid.
True, but smallpox is easily and safely spread by the vaccinated of whom, in this world, there are very few. The results would be horrific and thats why no one in his or her right mind would do it.
No concern of mine.
I hear he’s quite the ladies’ man. You’d have to put a bag over my head, but perhaps that’s just me.
Off to prep lobster dinner. Apparently abundant year for them. $6.99/pound.
And, sad to say, these are citizens “of a certain age,” who actually had a reasonably decent education. I shudder to consider how much *worse* it will become with our present deliberately dumbed down “education” system.
No problem. But why does FDL lend him creds, as in the headline.
Sure does! I’m no “Silent German-American!”
Well, uh, we’re not exactly speaking about the “good guys,” are we? I think they’re the ones wearing the black hats, doncha know?
I was also refering to this chap, whom Vlad had poisoned with radioactive something or other.
I don’t think we are in disagreement here. I was just repeating an argument I saw many years ago about the Saudi’s fearing Iran. It was kind of like a nuclear domino-theory. I never bought into it, but what do I know?
Well you seem to “get around” and find out all the interesting bits about these creeps – ha ha! Whodda guessed? A ladies man. Well, it’s ok if you’re a conservative war hawk, after all.
Economic condition which inflict pain lead to the abdication of reason. Then you get brownshirts! Where even educated people acted like fucking animals…
Isn’t that the point of this “Austerity” we got going on hereabouts? To push everyone down to the lowest common denominator, so they’ll accept or ignore just about everything and anything?? The lashings of rabid racism are thrown in for good measure. Always great to pit everyone against “the other.”
Why not just simple projectile diarrhea?????
I thknk lots of arabs fear the Iranians simply because they are friggin nuts!!! THat ayatollah scares the shit out of me.
Bing-”fucken”-go!
Like two Indians from different tribes fighting over that small pox infected blanket thrown from a train after all the Buffalo where wiped out.
Dumber than dead dirt. You would think Americans know what brown shirting is. Apparently America forgot?
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Maybe you meant to say in the Muslim world? Iran isn’t an Arab country. I doubt it matters to the war mongers/profiteers, but we should always try to understand and communicate the reality of the people, cultures, languages, etc. that are targets for the US war machine.
That Ayatollah reminds me of many religious whack jobs in America. Absolutist suck!!!!!!
Nah. Send them the Kardashians. The regime will be gone in months.
Yeah. Madman Nixon was a piker compared to Ahmadinejad. Say, who’s their Kissinger?
As ex-CIA Middle East Desk Chief, Phil Giraldi wrote today…
…Israel is by its own volition not an ally of the United States in any technical sense because alliances are troublesome things that require rules of engagement and reciprocity, limiting the partners’ ability to act independently. If Israel obtains a virtual commitment from the United States to go to war in 2013, it would mean enjoying the benefits of having a powerful patron to do its fighting without any obligation in return, beyond delaying unilateral military action until a more suitable time. A guarantee from Washington for Israel’s security which still permits unilateral action by Netanyahu is all too reminiscent of the entangling arrangements that led to World War I. The fact that the murder of an Austrian Archduke in the Balkans led to a world war that killed tens of millions was due to promises not unlike what Israel is demanding today. {…}
Washington should make no commitment to anyone about what it will do vis-à-vis Iran in 2013 no matter what inducements are offered. As the 19th-century British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston put it, “We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.” Let America’s actual interests dictate U.S. foreign policy.
Yes,the Ayatollah has long said the use of atomic weapons is immoral.
NAM 2012 http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/31/259090/atomic-weapon-will-not-bring-real-power/
The fourth reich is seen as a necessity.
Well it would be “nice” if citizens actually understood just a little something about the rest of the world, but most citizens don’t and don’t really care. The WAR machine is all about making money, and so WAR, Inc don’t give a stuff about the social “niceties” of who’s an Arab and who’s not. It’s all about: damn the torpedos and full speed ahead.
Remember how
BushCheney couldn’t wait torake in sweet sweet US tax dollah$ via his no-bid Halliburton contractsattack Iraq but had no credible exit strategy? And clearly was pretty clueless about Iraq. We were told that that Iraqi citizens would be throwing rose petals at US grunts, and that we’d be out of there within months. Didn’t the State Dept even put up some sort of “fight” about how stupid this was??But onwards Christian soldiers! And we marched off to WAR Inc for many many years… don’t seem to remember many rose petals either.
I don’t think most Americans know what a brown shirt is anymore. It’s so, like, last century, duuuuude.
Even though I see rightwing propoganda still depicting Obama as Hitler (or sometimes, in a sort of funny ha ha way, the propogandists depict Obama as cross between Hitler & Joe Stalin, but the rubes really don’t get it nor do they really know who Stalin is and what his relationship was with Hitler, blah blah blah), the vast majority of US citizens are clueless about the rise of the Third Reich, how it happened, etc, and brown shirts? Clueless…
Well, it’s a means to an end…
I agree with you. I hope what I wrote didn’t sound like I was saying it’s ok to destroy a country as long as you know what language they speak. It’s a disgrace either way, but we should still strive to be accurate in how we describe these countries.
Expected to get the “who could ever believe the Iranian propaganda” response.
I was ready for it so I’ll lay it out here in EPUland.
Many commenters on this site now know that USG routinely lies & propagandizes thru the corp media.
Here’s the thought experiment. Spend 1% or 0.1% or 0.01% of the time on presstv.ir that you have spent in your lifetime on U.S. corp media. Then decide for yourself.
the real issue that should be put forward by the media to the american people is the blatant attempt by a foreign government to influence the presidential election.
THAT is what this is all about since as i have stated many times israel has neither the capability nor the desire to attempt any attack against Iran unless they have assurances the united states military will finish the job for them.
the American people hardly informed about anything certainly know even less about israel and the middle east except for the propaganda and lies fed them by foreign agents and paid off media talking heads.
again i ask a very simple question, “if israel has the right to attack Iran for any reason they state, why doesnt Iran have the right to attack israel to prevent THAT attack”?
honest people know the answer to that and know also why the truth never gets told regarding israel.
israel leaders threatening to start WW3, as a means to influence americas presidential election is a Real threat!
dont expect the controlled media to expose it all.
THAT is the real issue and one that every decent American should be hoping Obama exposes if he wins reelection.
Check out David Ignatius’ most disingenuous WaPoo Op-Ed, eCAHN… Obama’s signal to Iran…
I just don’t trust any religious nut jobs like the Iranian or Israeli leaders. If they feel the need to nuke each other, we won’t have a say in it anyway. So why do we feel concerned with it at all? You do reap what you sow.