Before I get my head chopped off, let me start with the caveat that a speech is not reliable, and that I stand behind this entire post about the platform debacle as a metaphor (nobody will give a damn about the platform when they finish breaking down the stage of the Time Warner Center in Charlotte) for how Democrats end up governing.
But Bill Clinton gave a heck of a speech tonight. I’d put up the transcript, but it’s only about 35% of the speech; the vast majority of it came off the hip. What’s incredible about this is that Clinton didn’t fill the rest of that time by telling old war stories; he filled it with a fairly detailed set of policy arguments, about Medicare, Medicaid, the economy, taxes, the deficit (I personally could have done without that one), jobs, energy, and pretty much everything in the domestic portfolio of a modern President, with distinct lists of variances between the two candidates on these issues. I joked on Twitter that policy bloggers will be going back to their old posts and collecting links, so they can adorn their Clinton speech posts with lines like “As I mentioned a couple weeks ago…”
Bill Clinton is one of the few politicians that bothers to try and tell the public what is happening in their lives and how that connects to what happens in Washington. It’s shaded to his advantage, like approximately every politician ever. And I don’t agree with all of it – he tried to peddle some structural unemployment stuff that economists agree on all sides pretty much agree with.
But this is a deficit in our politics. The public has a very low political literacy, and one of the reasons for that, despite a dysfunctional media, is that politicians don’t bother to take the time to explain the consequences of their policies. This leaves them reaching for their own trusted sources, and open to the worst kinds of distortions. Clinton, in his down-home kind of way, tried to reel back those distortions. He fact-checked the Republicans on welfare. He fact-checked them on Medicare – and in so doing, downplayed a bit the potential effects of cutting provider payments on access to hospitals and doctors, but SO WHAT? I’m tired of this belief that we cannot cut pay for vastly overpaid health care providers. Anyway, the providers voluntarily agreed to the cuts, because they knew they’d get more customers in the bargain. And Medicare Advantage lost some of its subsidies and now has more subscribers at a lower cost. Clinton got into that.
He also said something I’ve been screaming about, the fact that, if Romney-Ryan give back the $716 billion to subsidies for providers and insurance companies, then Medicare goes insolvent by 2016. This is a very nuanced argument that no Democratic politician has picked up on really at all. It happens to be true. And the consequences are that Romney and Ryan would have to make cuts to current seniors on Medicare, and the only ones they’ve outlined would be explicit cuts to benefits.
And Clinton also laid forth on Medicaid, in very clear language, explaining the importance of the program and the big difference between the two parties on this, with Democrats wanting to expand it as part of the Affordable Care Act, and Republicans wanting to block grant it and cut it by at least one-third.
The overriding theme was We’re in this Together versus You’re On Your Own, which is a bite from Jared Bernstein’s policy book from 2008. And he wove that into his story, in often credible ways, of the whole of domestic policy.
More important than anything, Clinton acknowledged the pain that people feel in this economy. There was a danger for Democrats of being out of touch in this convention. They hadn’t channeled the anger and frustration people feel about an economy that has sold them out. Elizabeth Warren actually did a great job of this tonight; more on that in the morning. But Clinton brought this to a personal level. You don’t have to agree with his justification for this, but here it is:
I like the argument for President Obama’s re-election a lot better. He inherited a deeply damaged economy, put a floor under the crash, began the long hard road to recovery, and laid the foundation for a modern, more well-balanced economy that will produce millions of good new jobs, vibrant new businesses, and lots of new wealth for the innovators [...]
I understand the challenge we face. I know many Americans are still angry and frustrated with the economy. Though employment is growing, banks are beginning to lend and even housing prices are picking up a bit, too many people don’t feel it.
I experienced the same thing in 1994 and early 1995. Our policies were working and the economy was growing but most people didn’t feel it yet. By 1996, the economy was roaring, halfway through the longest peacetime expansion in American history.
President Obama started with a much weaker economy than I did. No President – not me or any of my predecessors could have repaired all the damage in just four years. But conditions are improving and if you’ll renew the President’s contract you will feel it.
That’s the prepared remarks; he added something about how “whether you believe this will decide who wins the election.”
Bill Clinton’s not perfect, and the person he spent 46 minutes nominating is not perfect. That justification isn’t perfect – there are in fact ways to have spurred better economic performance than we got, for now and for the future. Hint: it has to do with the banks.
And I could point-by-point a lot more. But I want to say this. The legacy of clear, explanatory information about policy, about what people sent to Washington do, how they do it, and what it means for you, should not end with Bill Clinton. It’s important for engaging people with their government. When I went to Wisconsin for the protests up there, the most notable thing I saw was charts. Lots and lots of charts, all about the rigged economy, posted all around the Capitol in Madison. We need to hear more of this.




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Thanks for the summary David. Wish the White House had a more progressive leader ship team. Will Hillary’s presidential supporters vote for Obama?
But…but…but the commenters at FDL keep telling me there is no difference between the parties, David. So how can this be so?
Also, drones and something about being disappointed or betrayed.
Hahaha tbogg you’re so funny and so right. Stupid comments about drones and the Constitution and civil liberties, jeez you’d think Obama was rounding up and killing FDLers instead of brown people who can’t even vote (plus the occasional American citizen.)
but cut the guy some slack, jeez people are so picky in their demands for sparkle pony perfection when the plain fact is that the technology just isnt there yet for targeted strikes to be 100 % accurate — and we’re working on that too.
FDLers should just be more patient and give Obama four more years — he’ll be much more skilled at extra-judicial murder by the end of his second term and will only kill the brown people and American citizens who deserve it and not the accidental teenager here and there.
After all, change takes time.
And the main thing is that it’s our guy who is killing the brown people plus the occasional American citizen and not their guy because their guy is a fascist crony capitalist tax cheat who would kill even more people to advance the cause of fascist crony capitalist tax cheaters whereas our guy is a Democrat.
Nobody can give a speech like Bill Clinton. That’s why it’s so infuriating that he was such a mediocre president.
To your point TBogg. Kent Conrad blocked Medicaid expensation beyond 133% FPL. He said it would take too much work to renegotiate. Lieberman resuscitated the idea, only to back down immediately. Last I checked both were Democrats.
It’s true that the Medicaid expansion is still significant, and that subsidies below 200% FPL are generous. Those two provisions together will help about 10% of the popsulation. But all of this could have been done without the mandate which forces everyone to buy expensive private insurance that in many cases they can’t use because of huge deductibles. I’m one of those people, and even though the mandate hasn’t started yet I already hate it and I’m guessing I’ll hate it as long as I live. Fairly or not Obamacare will come to define the pitfalls of liberalism, preventing further improvement in the program and undermining other progressive initiatives.
It’s was devil’s bargain. It will prove to be a mistake.
“Drones,” as you well know, is symbolic of our perpetual state of war, lack of respect for human rights, and the loss of freedoms at home. Long term it’s the biggest threat this country faces, in tandem with the rise of a corporate oligarchy. Obama’s done nothing on this, and instead let the generals and the spies have free rein. Maybe there’s nothing he can do. Maybe the security state has grown too powerful. Either way it’s a major catastrophe, not something to smirk about.
I will just add that Republican libertarian rhetoric does not match their true priorities, as evidenced most famously by John Roberts changing his vote to ensure that the corporate-backed Obamacare was upheld. The true difference between how the parties would govern is much, much less. Everyone except the rich is losing ground. The Red Team would perhaps accelerate the decline so, if it makes you feel better, vote for the Blue Team. Rah rah rah.
are you under the misguided impression all of us agree with david tbogg?
or are you being deliberately obtuse
there does happen to be a difference between the mutt and the zero
the zero is our quarterback determined to score points for the other team and it’s almost impossible stopping that, it’s much easier stopping the other team from scoring
Surprisingly, no mention of the tremendous advances in civil liberties over the last 3.5 years.
I guess Bill’s Bill of Rights doesn’t include the First or Fourth Amendments.
also no mention of writing new “tax cuts for the wealthy” which are actually redistributions of middle class assets
what’s great is how obama and david manage to blame bush for obama’s redistribution scheme…I think that’s some brilliant marketing they’ve managed
I hsd the feeling at times I was outnumbered. But in the end Clinton did a great job. You will never change those who figure they have been betrayed for whatever reason. It’s sort of personal with them. Well hell, go ahead and see what the third party or Romenyfuck will do for you.
if someone comes here and defends clinton or defends the democratic party then obviously they are beyond hope and there is no point even in acknowledging them.
they would be totally ignorant of facts or even worse just flat out liars.
I know you’re feeling your oats, but surely you can recall that it’s OK to both acknowledge the differences between the parties while being available to criticize your own party.
After all, you wrote the book on it.
46 minutes? I thought it was 48. Either way, there was a lot of information in the speech that still managed to stir the audience.
Paul Ryan must be seriously jealous!
I don’t know how anyone can joke about drones and blowing people’s heads apart. The US population is full of people completely without a conscience. That boggles my mind even more than what the politicians do.
The speech was truthful about the Republicans’ shortcomings and less-than-forthcoming about Democrats.
I didn’t bother to listen to the speech but I’m wondering if Bill happened to mention which party and president signed off on the repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act or welfare “reform” or NAFTA?
nicely done david
I turned on Fox news after Clinton’s speech and there was DUMBhammer making a general ass of himself. (Not to mention he looks like he had a face lift done by a plastic surgeon with a bad hangover.) He said the Clinton speech was a swing and a miss and the Clinton just rambled on about mostly himself and threw a bone to Obama once in awhile. I wonder what speech he was listening to. It certainly wasn’t President Clinton’s.
After he rambled on about how bad the speech was, he was asked about moving of Obama’s acceptance speech indoors due to the weather. He said, with authority, that they postponed it because the stadium would have been empty. He then he said, with a straight face, that the Democrats knew what the weather would be months ago. This is what passes for a Republican intellectual these days.
I will defend them against the hypocrisy and outright lies coming from the republicans. You figure those people are the new sparkle ponies? Then you are the ignorant one.
You wanted that in there too? also? forty six minutes was enough.
I do the same bluedot, however I understand that a trojan horse does far more damage then a tank with the opponent’s flag painted on, a wolf dressed as sheep does far more damage then a wolf barring his teeth as a wolf
meh
BRAVO! It is FAR more important than so-called legislative achievements. The Rs know this instinctively. Stick,To.The.Narrative. Obama’s biggest failure, IMHO. But YMMV
On edit: Obama was NOT sent to Washington to strike a “Grand Bargain.”
NAFTA, welfare reform, the elimination of Glass-Steagall & a balanced budget. The Clinton years are the golden conservative era that Republicans are nostalgic for.
Republicans are presenting Romney as a successful businessman. While he did get rich, the return on investment he achieved as an investment banker was about 20% each year to his investors (According to Brett Arends author of The Romney Files). An unmanaged Vanguard US stock index fund would have made 20% each year also over the same period (1983-1999).
Romney is not a success. He is a fraud. Democrats should use this info to point this out.
This also shines a light on how stupid the rich are with their investments.
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/08/the-romney-files-from-bain-to-boston-to-white-house-bid/
Actually I would have preferred a much shorter speech that mentioned all those things and said – “You know what – we fucked up, and we’ve been fucking up the past four years too. We’re abandoning this corporatist bullshit even though it’s made a very of us rich beyond our dreams and going back to what the Democratic Party used to stand for. Thank you, good night.”
See, much shorter and a lot more honest.
As if anything these guys say bears any relationship to what they do.
Yeah, Bill’s a master policy zonker speaker.
He’s also the guy who accelerated the U.S. high paid jobs exportation and several other benefit-the-rich programs. I don’t give a ff that he’s a talented speaker.
Well put.
It would have been a great night had they ended with Elizabeth Warren’s speech. She gets it….the game is rigged for the average American to fail. Ted Kennedy would not stop until we have universal single payer health care for all. Bill Clinton was perfectly happy being a Reagan-lite. Signing NAFTA, giving China most favored Nation status and deregulating the banks. He and Hillary could have stopped Bush’s march to war. Bill had to know there were no nuclear weapons plant or WMDs as that is what his experts told him.
Clinton finally brought some truth to this debate about many things. The economy was headed for a depression, the stimulus was not enough but it stopped the free fall. After 2010 there was zero chance to get another one, know why?
And the talk about medicare and medicaid was about time. The Rs will destroy those programs and the old and sick will have nothing.
I could have done without the debt talk. On that I completely disagree.
If Clinton is a “clown”, what does that make Dubya? I never knew this was a non-partisan site. I thought this was a progressive blog.
As for Clinton’s speech, I can only quote Harry Truman when he was told to give ‘em hell. “All I do is to tell the truth and the Republicans think it’s hell.”
I managed to sit through 46 minutes of a Clinton speech, and it reminded me of why I can’t stand that man.
In comparing Ann Romney’s speech with Michelle Obama’s speech, people did some sort of grade-level analysis (vocabulary, sentence length, etc.) – Ann’s was 7th grade, Michelle’s was 12+.
Every time Clinton (who is not a stupid man,, Rhodes scholar and all) speaks, it seems like he is speaking at a 3rd grade level. “A-rith-me-tic”. Spell out all those syllables for people who can’t quite figure out how to open a bag of fried pork rinds. Who calls it arithmetic? People who barely finished required math courses before they dropped out of high school. And shake that finger in my face, Bill, while you insult my intelligence. Maybe that’s how you supervise a team of dropouts. His affected accent was really thick last night, too. Chatting up the bubbas.
I think this is what pundits refer to as “connecting to white working class voters”.
I also loved the way he talked up all the Republicans Obama put in his cabinet. Not that governing like a Republican cost Democrats the House in 2010 or anything.
On the bright side, I loved Sandra Fluke. Who else gets picked out of nowhere and speaks (was she in prime time?) at a convention four months later? They’ve got big plans for her.
The Democratic Party, including (especially) Bill Clinton is totally complicit in the economic collapse and the ongoing coddling of the white collar crime wave that continues to facilitate it and cover up and protect from any accountability the corporate criminals that perpetrated it. When Bill Clinton and the Democrats acknowledge those facts I’ll start taking them seriously. The band-aid Obama put on this systemic problem in 2009 does not in any way, shape or form relieve them of their responsibility.
Have to point out that both Romney & Obama depend on the fact that Americans are dumb and don’t know shit from shinola. It is also clear that R&O depend on lying (Clinton did too) is anyone really suggesting that the parties want an engaged informed and active citizenry? Both parties depend upon 50 or less percent of the voting public to show up – neither legacy party wants America to be a fully functioning democracy because their sleazy lying asses would be thrown out or in jail.
& hats off to the asshat here who honors political partisanship more than human life – amoral cheerleader for the destructive fake democrats – Nice job!
Anne Romney’s speech was “scored” at a 5th grade level, not a 7th grade. Given that the “average” American reads at an 8th grader level she underestimated the intelligence of the American public./s
She was talking to the R base. Average = 4th grade level.
So far with both conventions I have watched: a) 2 min of Ann RMoney, b) all of Clint Eastwood/Chair (not live), c) approx 20 min of HornDog Clinton.
I intend to vote for Eastwood/Chair 2012! /s
I happen to find Clinton a compelling speaker, and there were some decent things that he said, but then of course he lies like a rug. AND he’s responsible in many ways for the dire straights that we find ourselves in. Someone last night here said something like – Clinton could sell refridgerators to Eskimos and make them happy that global warming makes them need it (hats off to that person who wrote this). Maybe so, but not so much for me.
Clinton, like all those braying jackassed 1%ers who’ve taken control like a more sleazy & evil Mafia organization (would make Tony Soprano shudder), are lying CROOKS who’ve stolen OUR money to enrich themselves. They don’t give a shit about anyone in the 99%, and whatever policies that either RMoney or DMoney decide to impose on us for the next 4 years will be very very painful for the 99%. For them? CHA-CHING! Count on it.
Just a fluke.
Spot. The cancer is corporate power offering you slightly different models in Romney or Obama. Dare I say? “it comes in two colors”
I was actually getting some warm glows from watching the really neat folks and enthusiasm at the convention. So different from the meanness at the GOP — then Bill Clinton showed up.
I like Clinton; thought he was a pretty good president, and I despised the witch-hunt that Helms and the rest of
the republican pecker-Torquemadas mounted on he and his family.
Having said that, I’d like to go right to:
“No president—-could have repaired all of the damage in just four years.”
This is strawdog bullshit. No one I know, of any political persuasion, expected Barack Obama to build a worker’s paradise in his first (or only…) term. What most of his supporters wanted was for him to start the process, and no BS about it. Inherent in that was the fact that he had huge margins in both Houses; a real mandate for real change, and if the republicans would not at least get out of the way for the salvage operation to start, then Obama needed to keep his foot on their necks and grind until they did.
Instead of this, at practically every juncture of the possibility of meaningful policy change, he surrendered to them like a whimpering puppy. He gave every signal to them that he would meet them more than halfway as they tried to regain some credibility with which to protect the corporate status quo. They were in complete disarray, and shitting green nickels over what he might do with all of the power that he brought in with him.
With every cave in: with those White House meetings with the HMO top brass, where he practically let them write the healthcare “reform” bill; with his complete refusal to play hardball with them, Boehner and the republicans must have been ecstatically surprised. Obama’s rehab job on them was unstinting, and with the mid-term ass-kicking, it was a done deal, and practically irreversible, even if Obama and the “leadership” had wanted to go to the mat. You get one shot with large amounts of political muscle, and if you don’t use it, you lose it.
It boils down to this: all that Obama and the democrats have is the same old “They’re even worse!” platform to run on. Whatever promises they make, whatever their rhetoric, whether from Clinton or Warren, they have been neutered, politically, and they walked into the clinic and underwent it, with a willingness that was depressing to watch. They’re not going to re-take the House, and that means that the GOP will control the purse strings, and that John Boehner will be able to block any FDR-style governmental pump-priming of the sort that Obama never pushed for, WHEN HE HAD THE CLOUT TO GET IT.
Right now, in their desperation, democrats are long on more of the “talk left” strategy, and very, very, short on the reality of how to get there, IF they wanted to, and there has been precious little evidence of even the desire.
While I’m at it, here’s that clip again, from another thread, by Ataturk, I think, where he links to Glenzilla’s good piece on the Obama campaign bragging about the witchhunt on whistleblowers.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/05/obama-campaign-brags-about-whistleblower-persecutions
THAT, they can sustain and enhance, because the republicans like it, and because it can be accomplished
with just presidential desire to see it go forward.
A real economic recovery? I cordially invite anyone posting or threading on here to give us the specifics of how that’s going to happen.
That’s been the tragedy with both Clinton and Obama–two men capable, if they cared to, of laying out the issues for American citizens and starting national discussion about how to solve our problems. But that in itself is chimerical thinking–said discussion was never going to take place, nor were the people ever going to be handed the power with which to address those problems. Poll after poll after poll, however slanted to begin with, shows Americans seek many policy and other changes that politicians, today, stand as a united bulwark against handing them.
Apply standard caveat about how absorption in this spectacle gets you absolutely no place. U topos.
Bill was known as Mr WTO perfecly content to have lunatic Greenspan create bubbles and deregulate media, finance industry and banking. He is best buddies with Obama, Reagan, Mitt and Bush Sr and Jr because they are all corporate tools of the 1 percent. He and they are the establishment that is destroying American factories and jobs.
“Not perfect.” Yikes. This really suggests that we buy into the basic underlying construct, right? Point of, shall we say, departure. . .
Thank you. Yes, I quite agree. That was point Number One (I think) where I started to foam at the mouth with Slick Willie’s speechifying.
I’m damn sick ‘n tired of Obama & his sleazy mouthpieces adjuring us doltish 99%ers that, gosh golly gee whiz folks, it’s hard out here for a
pimpPOTUS… why poor poor Mr Obama walked into a disaster blah blah blah…Yes, yes Obama DID indeed walk into an Epic Disaster. True ’nuff. Mr. Barackstar done told me during the Campaign that he was “up to the task” (in so many words). And he had BOTH houses of Congress. And what did he do?? A big fat NADA, except to roll over and expose his neck to the Republicans… caving in constantly.
Well we all knew the goose was cooked when Obama hired Rahm Effen Emanuel to be his pit bull. That was all I needed to know. The jig was up, and it was downhill from there. To add salt to the wound, they kept flashing from Bubba Clinton to nasty Rahm during the speech. THAT also “did it” for me. ptoui!
There’s a TON of stuff that Obama could’ve done, but he simply didn’t DO it. The end.
If he’s “elected” again this time, he’ll be faced with Republican dominated Congress. Great. Obama can have field day letting the batshit insane fundies “run” things for him… apparently JUST THE WAY Obama wants things run.
The ONLY reason why the Rethugs didn’t run Obama as their candidate is because he’s an AA, and the Rethugs ain’t stupid (they may be the most venal mendacious creeps out there, but stupid? No). They knew their base are racist of the worst kind – bc the Thugs encouraged it – so no way in hell would the base vote for an AA. Nup. Obama hadda run as a putative “Democrat,” and he’s been highly compensated for enriching and enhancing the 1% at the pain of the 99%.
Obama could have indicted the Banksters and War Criminals, instead he appointed old Clinton staff into his administration. He appointed the very criminals that caused the meltdown. Say no to both corporate parties… vote Dr Jill Stein.
Ouch. That’s gonna leave a bruise. :o)
But, I saw that, way back in the day. It was funny, and brutally accurate. Good for Tbogg for linking to it…
and bad for him for joining the “We suck less!” musketeers.
“…instead he appointed old Clinton staff…”
True that. When he started larding his administration with Clinton retreads, I was like:
“WTF?”
After the campaign they ran against him, he owed them nothing, and he should have rounded up some young, enthusiastic, fresh help, instead of the likes of Holder, etc., etc….
In fact, if the republicans are smart (sometimes, they are…) they’ll go tit-for-tat and dig up some of those clips of Clinton going after Obama…that is, until it became obvious that it was hurting Hillary more than helping her, and they put a muzzle on him.
Yeah–drones–how petty. Unless the pictures of children lying dead in the rubble, kept out of the media in the US, happen to look like your child. (White people not always FEELIN’ it, I know).
A comment like this comes pretty damned close to meriting a wholesale f.u.
Just wonder if Blow job Billy or his evil twin Slick Willy crowed about how the HERITAGE FOUNDATION named him the BEST DEREGULATOR EVER. quite an honor for a democrat.. perhaps this is why clinton has made EIGHTY MILLION making speeches. and low info dems still looooove him
“Obama can have a field day letting the batshit insane fundies run things for him…”
Spot on.
I’ve never seen the slightest indication that he felt he’d lost something precious after we got the living shit kicked out of us in the mid-terms. To the contrary, I think in his heart of hearts, he was glad to be relieved of the responsibilty to accomplish something real, and it gave him all the more reason to capitulate to the republicans and their twisted worldview.
The prospect of rewarding him with another four years of this, is, almost literally, stomach-turning.
I’m not “feeling my oats” I just have to remind myself that when I read something like this :
I’m at FDL and not Red State.
You seem to think you’re at DK.
There is no defending Clintonism from a progressive point of view.
It’s good to see that not everyone got their Fancy Ticlkled by Bill’s lip work. I am still amazed how cheaply some Liberals sell their soul for hollow words.
‘You seem to think you’re at DK…”
Ouch. That’s gonna leave another bruise. :o)
Clinton had some good points and some bad points.
Right now, the democratic party is mostly bad points.
And, the fact is, Tbogg hasn’t really defended it, in that he doesn’t like to talk specifics…(Obama’s murderous drone policy, etc…)
…unless it’s the really important stuff…like counting Ann Romney’s shoe collection.
Building a better tomorrow TOMORROW may help the majority of frightened Ds sleep at night, but I don’t want to lie on my death bed regretting all the things in life I didn’t do when I had the chance, only because I was afraid to try.
Seriously, though, the line in the sand for me was when he signed into law giving him and all future U.S. presidents the divine right of life or death of any soul on the planet, with no questions allowed. For me, rejecting sanctioned-murder laws and their enablers is not a sparkle pony principle.
Turley/Cusack conversation (on turley.org) is a must read by anyone who claims they believe in democracy and the basic construct of the U.S. Constitution.