Above is an ad put together by Republicans to commemorate the reaching of $16 trillion in overall debt, a figure that’s supposed to frighten the public. It very skillfully uses President Obama’s debt trolling against him, including his invocation of debt being “irresponsible” and his worry about “lack of confidence” wrecking the economy if the debt problem perpetuates.
It’s a very effective ad. It’s also the height of ridiculousness. In a time of mass unemployment and fiscal contraction, the most responsible thing to do was to increase the deficit. With government being the spender of last resort, the alternative was a depression. And that $5 trillion in debt under Obama’s watch, a figure Republicans like to throw around, translated into $10 trillion in net worth by the public, a solid economic multiplier and a restoration of private balance sheets. If anything, the $5 trillion was irresponsible only because it didn’t fill the demand gap, at a time of ultra-low borrowing rates. And there’s a serious problem with how this $10 trillion got distributed – we know that almost all of the wealth of the last four years flowed to the very top. But it was necessary – you might even say patriotic – for government to take on the burden it did, to save the lives and economic fortunes of millions. It should have went even further.
The problem is that the President believes absolutely everything in that ad. I don’t think there’s any question about that. He thinks debt is irresponsible, and that we have to reassure the markets that we have a credible debt reduction plan moving forward. It didn’t take the Republicans long to find these quotes, put it that way.
Dick Durbin told NBC yesterday that the President would use Simpson-Bowles as a template for deficit reduction in the second term. I was briefly cheered by the party platform’s take that the spending cuts have been made, and all that’s needed for a “balanced approach” to deficit reduction would be the expiration of tax cuts and the assumption of deduction caps on the rich. I wouldn’t have a problem with that, and I don’t think that would damage the economy in any meaningful way (something you won’t hear from the media of the 1%). But that still means that the trigger cuts go forward, which is unwise. Either that, or they transfer into some other kind of cut, at which point social insurance programs could be on the table.
We don’t need a grand bargain. We need a return to the responsibility of following the economics where they lead. In a time when too many people are out of work, you need to invest to create jobs and grow the economy.




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From August 2012 Germany considering one-time tax on the 1% to pay down their debt: “Capital levies for debt redemption.”
Donald Trump floated a similar idea back in ’99 “Trump proposes massive onetime tax on the rich”
IMHO, taxing the 1% is the single best strategy. It marginally lessens their ability to buy the media which they use to control public opinion. Likewise it marginally lessens what they can pay accountants and attorneys.
It’s not a stand-alone strategy by any means, but imho it’s crucial.
When is Hollande’s plan going to get past? I haven’t heard much howling in the TradMed about it lately.
On Republican leaders can argue with a straight face today that government spending and the proposal to raise taxes on the wealthy is the problem.
Obama sneaks in the true message here and there.
David, 0 is never going to do the spending that is required to get the economy moving. he makes little feints at doing what he and everyone knows is the correct thing to do, but those opposed are mainly opposed on “party” motivation lines. Once he has made the feint, he withdraws and allows the repug half of the uniparty to dictate the following course of action. It is fantasy to think that he has any interest in helping the 99%.
Now, I know, I know, but I just can’t help myself. You do an excellent job of turning out so many articles for FDL with so few mistakes that any mistakes stand out. In this case you seem to refer to the govt and what it did, rather than the actual amount of money involved. Therefore “It should have went even further” would probably have been more correctly “it should have gone even further.”
Plutocrats and their incessant demand for war, theft and exploitation of others should be made obsolete. Fukushima is case-in-point (comments by Aussie Senator Scott Ludlam).
OT– Oregon: Portland-ians don’t want an unnecessary $5M project to tamper with their excellent water and move toward more water privatization (non-partisan petition here).
Why does giving money only the top 1% help anyone else down the ladder? This destroys anyone working for a wage. Their dollars become worth less, and they go down toward poverty at a time they can least afford it.
The bailouts were for covering gambling losses, and is never spread out to benefit the population. If the gamble goes bad, a bailout with newly printed money is assured. The dollar is worth less.
Each working person and family that doesn’t have a 5% or more increase in their pay each year is going to go under. The inflationary effect on food is now visible month on month. We don’t need a year to see that another million or 20 will be forced below the poverty line. The poverty line will rise anyway, because that is the only outcome possible.
No, spending money when it must be created out of thin air causes pain. This is of paramount importance to grifters, sociopaths and gamblers. With each print we come closer to the end of our way of life. Consider the possibility that this will enslave more of the people of the world than anything before it. Be very concerned for what you wish for.
If you’re against privatized Keynesianism, you must be for austerity. /s
Capitalism is fraud.
Per the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP):
If you look at Figure 2, you’ll see that the debt flat-lines after that one simple fix — no need for the other deficit reduction measures, like cancelling the holiday on payroll tax, which has a very high multiplier.
That is a good ad. It uses his own foolish words. It is too bad this man has such little understanding of economics. He may have the rest of his life to figure it put. How can anyone talk about debt when so many unemployed are out there?
The Laws of Supply and Demand are like gravity. We ignore them at our peril. The Fable of Moral Arithmetic
Monopolies and oligopolies are the enemies of free markets. De-centralization and diversification are key risk management strategies which have been largely forgotten. Unions are a pain-in-the-neck, but with out them, all the money flows north to the 1%.
I’m listening to CNBC now debate about structural unemployment and the so called natural rate of unemployment. Both of those ideas are a fraud. Will we ever escape the neo liberal austerity economy?
In the macroeconomy the law of gravity is called aggregate demand. That is the thing that controls employment. You need to spend money if you want to increase aggregate demand, therefore more deficits.
That ad ignores an important point.
This is the most recent figure for the debt from the US Bureau of Public Debt:
08/31/2012
Publicly held 11,272,625,663,662.57
Intragovernmental 4,743,144,124,553.23
Total 16,015,769,788,215.80
About $3 trillion of that intragovernmental debt is held by the Social Security Trust Fund. The rest is held by other funds.
What the ad ignores is that the Republicans want to default on that $4.7 trillion by pretending it’s “just IOU’s”.
Yes, Obama’s debt trolling (assisted by Kent Conrad and Max Baucus) was counterproductive. Reconciliation got through the Budget Committee; Kent Conrad got his Simpson-Bowles commission; Obama got a health care reform “victory”. And those fueled the disaster of 2010. Obama doubled down….Politicians respond to, well, politics. Not economic realism.
Rendell, Durbin and Senator Austerity Amy have been effective in pushing me out of the undecided column. I can’t stop the austerity stampede but I do not have to vote for it.
Obama is a camp-follower of Pete Peterson.
Because the law of supply and demand are like gravity under conditions of scarcity and exchange, does not mean that we should be slaves to them any more than to gravity. It just takes energy to temporarily get around them. We fly. We send men to the moon. We play baseball and football. We even jump up and down in the face of the law of gravity.
Any good or service that society decides that everyone should be able to use can be provided to everyone in spite of the law of supply and demand. It takes information and energy to accomplish. And a sense of restraint. All of those involve political choices. Economies never have moved automatically despite their tendencies to self-organization; they have always been managed by political decisions. When folks have had the illusion of self-managing systems, they rapidly find that self-managing systems are disrupted by entropy much more quickly than those where human attention and energy keep them maintained and restrained.
Will you be starting your revolution by means of commenting on blogs?
What is your proposed alternative to capitalism?
So, you are for privatized Keynesianism? What does it mean?
You can find anti-capitalist answers if you so desire, comrade.
Somebody been tripping on the Mosler tab. Little kiddies still got to pay teacher back her marbles (which she apparently lost). Teacher could cancel the debt but then all the wingnuts who lent teacher her marbles are gonna make her life miserable.
Mosler is a fraud.
All this pitiful haggling over which capitalist has the right solution is gonna be pointless in the near future … but I guess all your grandbabies are gonna have to forgive you.
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That is unfortunate since it means we just keep going on and making the same mistakes of the past.
Deficit Spending in a Recession is Responsible – Sometimes it’s necessary if you have no alternative, but it’s akin to fixing the roof. If repairs cost more than you make you deficit spend to get the work done, you can say you were responsible for the fixing the roof part, but not for deficit spending. Not being in debt in the first place is responsible.
You know, Comrade, I think the Chinese have a better handle on economics than we do, than the Western world does, at least at the moment. You may not care for Mosler, but if we took his advice on a few things we could fix a good deal of this mess.
What are you meaning by that?
I enjoyed the first night of the convention. Yes, it was identity politics but that is where I feel comfortable. Tonight we will hear from Bill Clinton and his so called “economic miracle” and the surpluses he produced. No one will notice that those surpluses brought about a recession. Hell the party was still in full swing and the new guy was in the WH. So I don’t expect to be really overjoyed with the proceedings.
Wonder if he’ll talk about the repeal of Glass-Stiegel?
Ya godda be kidding me, comrade. Enterprise zones? Factory indenture? Capitalist capture of government? Spanking new abandoned cities?
Naw. How do you even rank this shit … except with fabricated accounting.
Taking Mosler’s advice in a crisis … should’ve taken other advice before the crisis, comrade. Mosler’s just the lesser of evils.
Be specific, comrade.
Democratic presidents are good at feeling our pain and projecting empathy and sympathy. They “care” about us, and caring is so important in a president. So long as he cares, Obama can cut my entitlements all he wants. Just so long as he cares.
Obama is a walking disaster on economics. He is Herbert Hoover incarnate. I can’t decide whether he is simply bought and paid for by the financial community (the most probable explanation), or if he is simply plain-vanilla ignorant of the simple truths of macro-economics. Geithner is clearly pulling all the strings here.
I’m glad you watched that programme and not me. I would have burst a gasket.
The problem is more at the macro-level. If everyone tries to save at the same time (when the government cuts its deficit it is in effect increasing its saving), there is nobody out there to buy the goods that are being produced for sale. Businessmen aren’t stupid (at least on this score). If nobody is buying their stuff, they will make less of it. They are not going to invest in facilities to make more. The utter stupidity of the so-called debate on the deficit is enough to drive one crazy!
Like, I’m going to go out there and buy a 3-D Teevee because the government just reduced the deficit, and I feel so confident about the future, despite the fact that I just got laid off.
All of those appear to be the case. The “simple truths of macro-economics” are not widely know around law schools and the University of Chicago (right, Mr. Goolsby?).
Comrade, you’re a capitalist. How can you think debates are going to route a neoliberal plan constructed to defy your facts?
Comprador withdrawal is tough, comrade.
Business has $3 trillion of cash on the table and they are still playing the casino and also buying the US debt. If debt was a problem, why would they be doing that?
Good point. If you’ve been deficit spending for the last xx years and have piled up a huge debt that you have no plan for paying off, I’d think you probably shouldn’t buy a new TV.
I did not hear that segment on CNBC, but I want to talk about “natural rate of unemployment”. I don’t believe there is a “natural” rate, but I think we can define the influences that affect the rate.
Isn’t unemployment a question of balancing the number of people in the world versus the number of people that it takes to make goods or services for the population? If you want to employ more people, you either have to be less efficient at making the goods and services (so you need more employees), or you have to invent more goods and services that are needed, or you have to increase the need for what already exists.
Public corporations — or just greedy corporations — push in the direction of more “efficiency”, i.e. fewer employees. So that’s the wrong direction for full employment.
What affects the latter options of “new goods and services” or “more goods and services”? Public works certainly have that effect. Anyone who invents an new product has that effect. (Unless it destroys another product that provided more employment.) Increasing demand for existing products has that effect.
What if you can’t increase demand? What if people just don’t need more of the same crap? It seems to me like we are in that situation now. Therefore, it seems like new products or services are needed, or we need be less efficient, if we want to employ everyone.
“How can anyone talk about debt when so many unemployed are out there?”
Because he doesn’t care about those unemployed people.
What makes this whole debate especially strange is that this is debt the United States owes to the United States, payable in United States dollars, the only source of which in the whole universe is the United States and the exact amount of those dollars in existence is determined solely by the United States at its own discretion.
Debt is a problem but not theirs.
This con depends on justified antipathy to national debt. National debt is not necessarily good just because fraudsters are demonizing it.
Wrong. About half the debt is to foreigners. If you’re looking for stupidity in the anti-debt con men then you make a good mark.
The other day, you made vague noises against a democratic process having a role in society’s decision-making.
Today, you’re making blanket assertions about capitalism being fraud.
What is your solution?
Where? Comrade, you know I’ve been saying capitalism is fraud for some time now. I know it’s tough, but just go cold-turkey on the bullshit.
Like I say, if you were interested, you could find your answer. Here’s all I’ll give you.
No Fraud.
I am ready for any barrage ya got, comrade.
Public debt is private sector asset. Cut the debt and you cut private sector assets. Do that and you further reduce aggregate demand. Obama’s going to crash this economy come hell or high water. Because deflation is the creditor’s best friend. This is EXACTLY how the British destroyed the working and middle classes after WWI — ran up asset values through inflationary policies to fund the war, then crashed the economy into deflation by going back onto the gold standard so that the wealthy could asset strip the newly impoverished.
When monies were needed to bail out the banks, suddenly they materialized. But money for people?
Every time Obama mentions the debt or the deficit as our national problem he strengthens the Tea Party and their complete misunderstanding of economics. Whether that’s out of ignorance, complicity or corruption really doesn’t matter, the effect is the same.
This reply to @ 39 . In a simple way employment is based on sales, whether those are sales of good and services or public goods like imfrastrucutere,all aka as aggregate demand. There are those who believe that as you employ more people you increase inflation. So the so called natural rate is where those two balance. That is probably true especially if you spend on goods in scarce industries. Some peple say that is why Keynesianism won’t work. One example is military keynesianism. If you buy more of it you pay higher wages.
There are ways around it but you have to start at the bottom, not at the top. I think infrastructure is also a good place to spend. But the idea ia for governemt to spend money to increase aggregate demand. We could use a really big amount of that right now with little worry about inflation IMO.
Yes, but the US government is the only source on the planet for those dollars. If they chose to cash them all tomorrow we could pay every cent, no problem.
Debt is not a problem. As I said the US government is the only source on this planet for those dollars. That is probably Obama’s major fault.
So perfect a synopsis. Yet the anti-anti-debt capitalists couldn’t see that privatized Keynesianism was a problem 20 years ago. They’re just friggin’ enablers.
Debt is a problem. Go ahead, turn from Keynesian to MMT ponzi schemer … you’ll be peddling more deluded nonsense.
The debt problem you’re addressing is a straw man. The real problem is who pays and why.
That would be because they have money to spend, they buy things, so demand goes up, so prices rise? Yeah. It sounds like that would happen if a fixed set of items were the targets for purchase.
However, if there were a wider *variety* of items for purchase (because new items were invented, for example), then I suspect that the demand would be diluted, and inflation might be averted or ameliorated. Interesting.
I.A.N.A.E (I am not an economist.)
I am not an economist either. If you hire people at the top end, like defense contract engineers, you might get some bottlenecks, I would guess. Better to hire more unskilled and build it up frm the bottom.
I am keynesian but I would use MMT to inform me of the choices and problems.
Good. So who pays for the debt and why?
Dave, Read your Article, Yes you need to spend to boost and drive the economy but look at what and where your spending. For example take the 2009 Recovery Act that Pres Obama pushed, no one but his administration orchestrated this new alternative energy and job creation, kudos’s at the effort! However, my point is this, look at A123, it is a start up of a lithium battery company that is trading on the Nasdaq, it received 123 million of the 249 million allocated funds (our Tax dollars) to start production of lithium batteries. As of a week ago, it is being de-listed on the exchange, and received 450 million from Wanxiang Group of China to avoid bankruptcy. How can you fund money for this, when everyone knows our environmental regulation climate cannot support this, also knowing were 20 years behind on this type of engineering, it’s guaranteed to fail plus now China is moving in!!!! So I ask you, is this the president we want to lead us for another four years? Furthermore, I am a struggling business owner, where is my grant money and recovery? Let’s spend on American small business, the back bone of the country, Romney understands this!
See Dec 5th 2011 Wall Street Journal and August 23 2012 Boston Herald, for all you fact checkers.