Responding to a hissy fit ginned up by a random Weekly Standard writer, and carried along by Fox News, Democrats just changed their platform a day after they adopted it, adding language saying that “Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel,” and adding a reference to God.
Both parts were in the 2008 platform, but were removed this year. Sources indicate that most of the stakeholders who saw copies of the platform prior to the unveiling had no problem with the language previously. But Daniel Halper, a writer for the Weekly Standard, compared the language between 2008 and 2012, and wrote that Democrats “removed pro-Israel language” from the platform. Evening broadcasts on Fox News included graphics saying “No Jerusalem in Dem platform.” (Incidentally, this is a BS issue.) In addition, conservatives tried to stir a similar kerfuffle over the omission of a reference to Americans’ “God-given talents.” Mitt Romney pounced on this as well.
Last night, Democrats put on what most observers agreed was a successful series of campaign speeches. It would be hard to believe that these hits on the platform document would have been anything close to a story within a few days. Nevertheless, Democrats felt the need to amend their platform, one day later. In order to do this, they had to suspend the rules to amend after the fact. This required a 2/3 vote of the delegates. Acting convention chair Antonio Villaraigosa took a voice vote and decided that he got 2/3 – which was very questionable which he did. Then Ted Strickland, the former Ohio governor, who delivered a powerful populist speech last night, made the motion to add back the Jerusalem and God references into the platform. That also needed a 2/3 vote. Villaraigosa asked for another voice vote, and clearly got an equal number of Ayes and Nos, if not a majority in the negative. Villaraigosa asked again, and got the same result. He looked around, not knowing what to do. He asked a THIRD time, and that time he just decided to lie and claim that he got a 2/3 vote. So he rammed through the platform changes. (Here’s the video.)
The Republican noise machine, then, successfully changed the Democratic platform document, a day after the fact. For context, there were lots and lots of liberals who spoke out about deficiencies in the platform, on housing, on civil liberties, on all kinds of subjects. None of them merited a change. But when one Weekly Standard writer and a group of trolls carp, Democrats leap to attention. Never mind that this kind of tactic never once leads to conservatives somehow letting up on their criticism. The olive branches never lead to anything positive.
What we saw last night is how Democrats often talk and campaign. What you saw today with the platform is how they govern.
UPDATE: Clearly AIPAC rules the Democratic Party and has for some time; they play a role here. But I find it impossible to believe that they never saw the platform before yesterday: how this works usually is that stakeholders clear the language. Also, the addition of the “God” reference as a last-minute platform change, just an offhand reference to “God-given talents,” suggests that AIPAC (who clearly wouldn’t care about that) wasn’t driving the boat on this.
UPDATE: Confirmation.
Changes between the 2008 Democratic Party platform’s language on Israel and the 2012 version were due to a deliberate effort to refocus the platform toward President Barack Obama’s policies, two officials directly involved in its drafting process told The Cable.
Leading pro-Israel groups such as AIPAC were heavily involved in the platform-drafting process, saw final language of the draft platform, and told platform drafters they were satisfied with it, both officials said.
AIPAC denied this, but only after the omission of the Jerusalem language became controversial.
…Obama personally intervened to get the platform changed, by the way, according to multiple sources.




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Eh? Some conservative was blogging here this morning complaining that Dems didn’t include “God” in their platform. Geez, nice that the “Dems” are ever much more concerned about what conservatives want – even though they’ll never ever vote for Dems no matter what – than what I think…. which is why I am no longer a Dem party member.
Unsurprised as this specious bullshit, but if anyone needed to buy a clue as to how these crooks are going to govern: here it is.
And yes, AIPAC rules – OK?
It’s about time that the US Congress was renamed the Knesset. The fealty that the US govt. displays in.re. Israel is disgusting.
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I’m sure that TBogg has a perfectly sensible explanation.
Banging head against wall.
#nice fundraising gimmick
#hope it doesn’t start WWIII
#will the kingdom of Saudi Arabia hold together and continue pumping sweet crude to the west?
#great victory for the People’s Republic of China
#exponentially increases the dangers for all U.S. military personnel in the region.
Returning to bang head against wall.
/thread
Unbelievable. Less than 24 hours after Deval Patrick tells delegates that Democrats need to grow a backbone, Democrats allow the Weekly Standard to do line-edits to their party platform.
This guys are “Weak as water, weak as water!” /Mrs. Slocombe
And dems will be voting for a punk party cause they’re afraid what the repubs might do.
Repubs say jump, dems say, how high?
Y’all want 4 more years of this?
Un-fracking-believable. The delegates had no opportunity to debate the Democratic platform before looking at it, but the right wing’s Israel lobby exercised veto power over it.
Bravo! Captured these worthless pricks in less than 25 words!
…Leading pro-Israel groups such as AIPAC were heavily involved in the platform-drafting process, saw final language of the draft platform, and told platform drafters they were satisfied with it, both officials said.
Where’s the FARA investigations…?
…The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) is a United States law (22 U.S.C. § 611 et seq.) passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the interests of foreign powers in a “political or quasi-political capacity” disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information about related activities and finances…
*gah*
That’s exactly right.
Who could not have seen the faux Republican outrage coming? Who could not have predicted Democrats folding?
Wouldn’t it have been smarter to have mentioned God a time or two from the jump? The fallout from that had to be easier to manage than the world watching Republicans making Democrats their bitch (again).
That’s why I couldn’t comment on your thread last night. I hate ALL of them.
I don’t give a flying fcuk what these losers speechify about. It’s what they actually do that counts.
And the whole tail wags dog/AIPAC thing is pathetic and ridiculous. Which is par for the course with these wankers.
x2. Pure cowards.
Wouldn’t it be something if we could get the same unconditional support for Social Security and Medicare.
Way too radical. Dems always cave.
Except to those who put them in office.
Actually, the voice vote on Jerusalem was about evenly split, nowhere near the 2/3ds required for reconsideration. But Antonio Villaraigosa, Obama’s obedient servant, ruled that the 2/3ds requirement had been met.
The delegates are all right. It’s the corrupt leadership, and the fish rots from the head.
Sometime in the next five years, Villaraigosa is going to ask you for a contribution to his campaign for Governor of California. When he does, tell him to get his money from Obama and Netanyahu.
(((econoB))
the Spelunking Party
This is a one party system.
Why are we still acting as if the democrats are anything other then part of the plutocracy?
Yep, just more of the hopism and changy thing and they wonder why Progressives and the Left aren’t going to voting for them.
The video of the vote on the platform amendment clearly shows the amendment did not pass by 2/3rds, if it even got a majority.
Stalin would be proud.
It was completely scamtastic – it shows when the Democratic (or Republican) leadership wants to do something, they’ll simply steamroll, lie and cheat their supporters and partisanship will keep the D/R proles in line. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
ON EDIT: It should be emphasized that Democrats didn’t actually cave, but it was the Democratic leadership who did…however, give it a little bit of time and the rank-and-file will be fed red meat on how good this is to get Democrats to defend it while having the events surrounding it being hushed up.
I just commented on your fb posting, ET…! ;-)
What Obama Has Wrought.
Anyone surprised by this hasn’t been paying attention for the last few decades. Understand this isn’t Israel’s fault — its ours. Our corrupt amoral system enabled this.. the Israelis just saw a bargain and swooped down on it.
Great stuff.
“The Obama’s are a global capital-loving couple, two cynical lawyers on hire to the wealthiest and the ghastliest.”
*ouch* The Truth can be brutal…!
“Democrats leap to attention…”
Whimper and grovel like cur dogs…?
In any other industrialized “democracy” superstition is just that, superstition. In the U.S. it’s a party platform issue.
Hey, TB!
My grandfather was a proud Democrat, he had worked in local campaigns in Rhode Island and was the most decent person I have ever known. He also struck out Ted Williams at one time (good story but not major league). He became the Post Master in a Rhode Island city and at Christmas he made sure people who were out of work at least got holiday mail carrier jobs. When he died in the late 70′s at 83 some of the streets were shut down by the traffic. He was just a decent guy, not rich, just decent and loved FDR. He was very Catholic (New England not to be confused with Mid Western) and he waited 8 years to marry my grandmother (Swede) who wasn’t very religious. He went to church every Sunday and never expected my Grandmother to go (and never loved her less). In 53 years I have met very few like my Grandfather and I really believe that the Democrats of today would make my Grandfather cry.
“…a global, capital-loving couple…”
That $6500 dollar blouse which Michelle wore to meet the Queen, at the Olympics…of which nary a word was heard from the bloggers excoriating Ann Romney for HER conspicuous consumption.
You’re not really surprised by this, are you?
Buzz! Are we having fun yet?
The twiddle-dum and twiddle-dee opera rolls on. :o)
Says it all. Thanks.
No where else in the advanced industrialized world can one watch the political conventions of the major political parties and witness lambs being led to the slaughter.
Stay away from TBogg this week, TB. LOLOL
You were so very fortunate to have such a Grandfather. His spirit certainly lives on in you.
No, but I am pretty upset by it.
Carrying his flip=flopping onto the convention floor for all to see and throwing his delegates under the bus….this bodes ill
but, but, but, the TV makes them seem so “common” just like everyone else.
Not any more…the surprise is how many democrats want to give Obama a pass for creating the biggest leadership vacuum in our history, especially considering the clout that he came in with.
Nothing has changed; it still boils down to the question of:
Will “WE SUCK LESS!” make the cut as viable political strategy, for enough voters to view 4 more years of even worse lame-duckery than what we’ve already seen, as good enough to reward Obama with another term?
As Judy Tenuda used to say: “Hey, it could happen!”
Or not…as Harry Truman used to say.
It was stupid to do, but in the long run meaningless since party platforms are disregarded within three days at best after the convention is over.
Not any more…the surprise is how many democrats want to give Obama a pass for creating the biggest leadership vacuum in our history, especially considering the clout that he came in with.
Nothing has changed; it still boils down to the question of:
Will “WE SUCK LESS!” make the cut as viable political strategy, for enough voters to view 4 more years of even worse lame-duckery than what we’ve already seen, as good enough to reward Obama with another term?
As Judy Tenuda used to say: “Hey, it could happen!”
Or not…as Harry Truman used to say.
Oh; another reason to not be surprised:
Obama’s instant and copious pissing of himself when Faux and Breitbart got after Shirley Sherrod for her “racism”.
In 2008 during the primaries, Obama, Hillary and McCain spoke to AIPAC and Obama said then that he would support an undivided Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. This meant a big change in US foreign policy and caused riots in the Palestinian territories, and Obama had to WORM his statement by saying what he really meant was he didn’t want some kind of wall in Jerusalem separating people.
Now here we are. The guy is a tool. A complete and utter tool.
I think the dems and repubs are two sides of the same knife that israel holds.
Wow. That’s as cynical as Obama in 2009 chiding people for believing in anything he said while campaigning because after all it was just a campaign.
I wonder if the Democrats would be a stronger party if they actually had a real platform and it was one that every Democrat had to actually support in order to be a member of the Democratic party. It might be possible then for the electorate to sort out what Democrats actually stand for besides “sucking less” or having more attractive theater.
Good point, TBogg, but aren’t they meaningless to begin with…? ;-)
They hold it to the throats of a semi-literate, myopic and xenophobic electorate. They like the feel of the cold steel on their throats.
“…are disregarded within three days, at best, after the convention is over.”
Wow. Just think of the peckerhead votes they could pick up if Obama spoke wearing a klan outfit, and it wouldn’t matter.
That is the kind of relativist cop-out that’s gotten us into the situation we’re already in. And, incidentally, is nothing but pre-approval of another four years of it.
…What you saw today with the platform is how they govern.
Which is why, of course, Democrats must be elected or the world will come to an end.
It’s not a good point. It’s another rationalization by someone slavishly devoted to Obama & suffering from the neurological disorder of partisanship.
Frightening.
Please enlighten me as to the last time a senator stated that, contrary to the wishes of the constituents of his state, he would be voting in accordance with the “platform”.
The platform is just something to do until the speeches and the pro forma election in accordance with the primaries. But if you guys want to get all het up over a symbolic gesture (because that is what you guys do best besides bitch) have at it…
Thanks for the reminder.
I just think it’s so cool that when the democrat party publicly licks fundamentalist warbot ass, it don’t mean a thang, but when the republicans talk rightwing shit, at their convention, we get endless threads on how crazy THEY are.
I think this outrageous double-standard is going to be accurately perceived by the voters, and I think it’s going to hurt, in November.
(because that is what you guys do best besides bitch)
Dang, TBogg, I do more than ‘bitch’, I’m in the streets, and in my local County Chambers, weekly, holding their feet to the fire…! 8-(
“You guys” would be those who don’t, in this instance, defend the indefensible? Critics of Obama? We bitchy womanish critics always tend to be so shrill. . .
“all het up over symbolic gestures.” (Not a very deep read of the Jerusalem question or its place on the Dem platform, but hey. . .)
What the hell does that have to do with anything .You never heard ” your actions speak so loud I can’t hear a word you’re saying”?
They may not say it out loud, really no reason to, but they vote for campaign contributors over the peons.
“Have at it”
Thanks, TBogg. :o)
First, let’s just shorten your comfy little ass-covering posit for Obama and the democrats to:
“Don’t worry about what they say; just look at what they do.”
And then, I’d like to ask you what you think the new, improved, Obama will do if he’s re-elected. The reason I’m asking is that within weeks of coming in with a 79 seat majority in the House, and an 18 seat majority in the Senate, the republicans had him dancing like a marionette, and he’s still dancing.
So; why don’t you tell us what you think he’ll accomplish if he’s re-elected. Do you think the democrats will re-take the House? When he had one hell of a mandate-hammer, he did so little (other than the rehab on the GOP…) that I’d like to hear your views on what kind of a preznint he’ll make if he wins re-election?
As for some of us getting all het-up over a “symbolic gesture”, I’d just point out that the bandwidth you’ve wasted pissing and moaning about Ann Romney’s buying habits, while Barack Obama sells us out, kind of takes
the sting out of your accusation.
The title is “Democrats CAVE on Platform…..”
Finally, the Democrats proove that they have learned from master Obama.
This has Obama’s hoof-print all over it. So, I checked over at HuffPo, and sure enough:
Dear wigwam: Pish and tosh!
Gucci, Gucci, Gucci…:o)
Obama would have really served a much better Republican candidate. If only he were running under the GOP ticket, it would have a marriage made in heaven, between him and all the right-wingers.
I don’t know what Obama is going to do. I also don’t know what Romney is going to do. But I know that one is different than then other and those are the only two choices we have in the upcoming election who have any chance of winning.
Either way, you win because you get to piss and moan because you’re not going to like either. And isn’t that what is really important to you?
It is carl roves wet dream and it is a marriage made in heaven, cause he hasn’t done democratic squat since being elected as a “democrat “.
You vote for your spineless sellout, I’m Voting for a non criminal Jill Stein.
Uuum, NO.
Thassit, Sol. If I were a republican, I’d be as happy as a clam to have these two corporatists running.
Listening to the democrats courageously SPEAK out about equal rights for Gays, while Barack Obama spent most of his four years “evolving”, and then evolved only to the point that he came out for it, 24 hours AFTER Gays and progressives got the living shit kicked out of us in the N.C. vote, is stomach-turning.
Did I mention his little glute-rub for John C. Calhoun’s mummified carcass, with that little caveat about the states having the right to vote on it?
Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to say that you don’t know what Romney will do, but you do know what Obama has done? After all, if you’re going to limit yourself to only the two choices, isn’t it good to admit you’re voting to continue what has gone on in the past and those policies over what may happen with Romney?
Funny how if we’d actually moved our Embassy to Jerusalem, we’d be the only Embassy there…! I’d expect no less from the very same Peace Nobelist that’s ramped up Shrub’s Drones-R-Us pogram…! 8-(
Yes. Because voting for an upper middle-class white dilettante for President, who has lost 4 out of 6 elections in Massachusetts – winning nothing higher than a spot on a local board, is going to save the fucking world.
That should work out great for you.
The way Dems can be made to sniff the arses and sit up and beg for the craziest right-wing Israelis is one of the wonders of our age. From the magnificently hair-plugged Joe Biden on down, way down. . . You have to look pretty far for a comparable contemporary spectacle–Chavez and Ahmadinejad, perhaps?
Hey, parade your bad centrist self here for all you’re worth–you are on fire!
Okay. How about this.
When you go to sleep , sleep tight with your support of an drone assassin for corporate profits .
You’re right about that, that would never work out for me.
So Obama
hahahahahahahahah
I’ll agree Obama has done some good during his four years. That being said, I can also Bush say made some good policy decisions during his eight years as well. However I think we’d both agree that both of them have also instituted policies which have damaged our country, and others. (Maybe you disagree?). Do you believe that choosing to engage in voting when both choices will implement policies that are against our interests is a valid activity to engage in? I only ask because I personally believe it legitimizes what they do. (Note: I’d support Jill Stein, but I believe like you do that our system wouldn’t allow an outsider of any stripe to get close to winning)
TBogg, I want to know when Obama will finally bust out his ‘comfortable shoes’…? Is he waiting for those new Indonesian made $500 Nike’s to come out…? 8-(
“Isn’t that what’s really important to you?”
You’re not from around here, are you?
What’s really important to me is having people at FDL who don’t spend most of their blogging energy trying to cover the ass of a “liberal” preznint who:
Utterly caved on a public option…
Caved on re-importing generic drugs to force Pfizer and Lily, etc., to reduce the obscene amounts of money they make off of sickness and ageing in america…
Caved on the effort by some House dems to strip the HMO pirates of their exemption from our anti-trust laws…
Tried to sustain the military occupation of Iraq…
HAS sustained the military occupation of Afghanistan…
Used progressives like a comic-shtick pinata, at that $30,000-a-plate fatcat democrat fundraiser…
Has allowed (As David so accurately points out in THIS thread) Foxnews and the asshats to yank him around like a puppet…
The man has completely squandered an historic opportunity to make some of the real changes that we so badly need, and instead, has dragged the republican party out of the shithouse and done wondrous mouth-to-mouth resuscitation on them.
All he had to do was confront them, and remind americans of WHY he was confronting them; they would have folded like the wretched, ignorant, bullies, they are. Instead, over and over, he’s climbed right into bed with them.
For this, you want to reward him with mindless, obligatory, support. And pulling a word of criticism out of you about these things is like going down to the beach and swatting the ocean with a tennis racket, to try to stop the tide from coming in.
I would say that the people who are honest enough and courageous enough to look at Obama’s record, are the ones who are toting the hod for a progressive agenda, and that the people like yourself, who are really nothing but a bunch of herring-draggers-for-Obama, as you shreik about peripheral nonsense like Ann Romney’s buying habits, instead of helping us put some pressure on Obama, are even worse than the republicans. You are underwriting the sellout.
We are back to the bottom line:
All you do is yowl that the republicans are even worse, by way of excusing Obama’s feckless shit.
It didn’t work in the mid-terms, and I don’t think it will work in November, but even if he does squeak through, I challenge you again to post what you think the “improved” Obama will do with another four years.
Thank you very much but I will never be able to be like my Grandfather. Just like in music, some times it all just works. Thanks again.
Playing Devil’s advocate, Obama’s has done some good (as evidenced by the link he posted earlier). And Romney would probably do less good. I can see the logic……..but….I kind of agree with you that somehow the progressive side needs to figure out a way to have elections that they don’t have to sit or or hold their nose, and actually have real choices.
To be honest, Romney would hold onto to the worst of Obama’s policies, and do away with what good has been done. I think that’s a basic truism. I think the heart of this debate that’s been going on over the lesser of two evils argument needs to shift to a discussion of how to have a system wider then two evils. (Not here, just in general) Hopefully, the more threads and debates like this come up, the more people will start to think about how to create that for the future (probably for our kids and not us, but one can dream).
But you got your Grand Pa’s genes and they flatter you too. !
EVERY goddamn country in the WHOLE WORLD gets its capital recognized EXCEPT Israel. So those who object should just die of shame at their own moral degeneracy.
Funny how Palestine doesn’t even get recognized as a ‘state’, much less, the fact that Jerusalem is their capital too, eh Randall…?
Obama can usually be found in some backroom, often with a lobbyist.
The Nazis themselves inflated obscure resentments into fits of moralizing hysteria–beware that path. The first time as tragedy, the second time tragedy as well. . .
The whole world outside the US, including all of the UN asks that Israel SHARE the religious capital, not give it up.
If you’re going to vote all the more reason to vote for Jill Stein.
I see this as a stupid move. It can only hurt Obama with his “base”. But apparently he just doesn’t care— he’s completely dependent on the horror of a Romney Presidency.
It doesn’t matter much with those of us who weren’t voting for him anyway, and the typical Obamabot would vote for him if he was barbequeing children on the White House lawn.
Romney won the election 4 years ago with his signature accomplishment being the nationalization of his Romneycare and I’m certain Romney will win the election this year, just I’m not sure which shade Romney will win.
Well, I’m in the San Francisco Bay Area, so I can do so, as my district will reliably go blue, as will the state. I can see why this debate over voting third party is worrisome to people in some areas that won’t go reliable.
But, I think that Jill Stein has views I agree with. Unfortunately, she didn’t create the infrastructure to win on a national basis, so I know if I do vote for her, it will be a protest of the choices and the system, rather then something that will actually happen. I personally believe if progressives want a shot at winning a Presidency, the candidate needs to start running and be selected two years prior. In our system, progressives routinely get tuned out of the media and underfunded, so to compete, I think we need more time and more media creation events to be on an even platform.
Obama embraced-and-extended the worst of Bush’s policies. Not even Bush went around intentionally assassinating US citizens and he at least went to Congress to go to war.
That’s all you’ve got? That Obama has created more “private sector” jobs?
I’m suspicious of that stat, but it doesn’t matter, for the simple reason that unemployment is above 8 percent, or, down about 1.8 percent from Bush, after nearly 4 years of Obama, including 2 years in which he had locks on the board, congressionally.
In this situation we need FDR=style programs…at minimum, to help the “private sector” hamburger-flipper jobs.
Your going to the trouble to link this as Obama’s “achievement”, when prices on practically every necessity are going up, and Obama does nothing to stop the GOP union-busting, is piss-thin gruel.
“But, I think that Jill Stein has views I agree with. Unfortunately, she didn’t create the infrastructure to win on a national basis, so I know if I do vote for her, it will be a protest of the choices and the system, rather then something that will actually happen.”
I don’t see my non-Democratic non-Republican votes as protests necessarily, just I refuse to be a co-conspirator to evil.
Agreed, and he also extended the Bush Doctrine. But, he did also do some good policies during his current tenure as well. I’m not saying I like Obama (see my initial entries to this thread). I’m just also saying that voting for Romney isn’t better (obviously I would think), and that if I vote then *I* would vote for Jill Stein as my district will reliably go blue, I don’t believe she’s created the infrastructure and media attention to make her a known option for the Presidency. The voting system is currently only presenting two bad choices that have an opportunity due to the system itself. I can see the logic of why someone would vote Obama, I just don’t completely share it.
I like that answer, but serious question: If you don’t see your non blue/red vote as a protest, but you’re *aware* that due to the system it will be unsuccessful, why do you vote in that particular race at all? Just curious as there have been a few national elections that I went to only for the state/local level and elections, and just left the national blank due to there being no choices that I would want in the office listed.
I’ll certainly be voting on Election Day, many of my ‘downticket’ candidates need my votes…! Notably, Mazie Hirono over ex-Gov. Linda Lingle for Akaka’s Senate Seat…!
it was clear that the vote was pretty much split down the middle, in fact, I thought more on the NAY side. But Villanaraigosa excised the Democrats “no democracy under us” policy and did the bidding of AIPAC and the right wing Israeli government. Just another reason why I can no longer vote Dem, although I am in Mass, and will vote for Liz Warren, even as I strongly believe that the Occupy! movement is the only legitimate citizen’s representative in this pathetic country.
For me I don’t expect instant gratification with my vote in I don’t expect victory with a ballot, but I try for a long-range goal. There have been long-range changes in the voting populace where voters now increasingly don’t belong/identify with political parties even if ultimately they still make a binary choice and just as voters can shed their partisan status over time voters can drop out of participating in a binary choice. Also to me, my vote always counts – just because your preferred candidate didn’t win, it didn’t mean you were without voice…if that was the case, many millions of people who vote for D/R wouldn’t have their votes count anyway because their chosen candidate lost in a given election.
It seems that every four years that we have to remind the corporate Dims that our vote is OUR VOTE, and that we don’t owe it to the spineless, cowardly Dims. I proudly voted for Ralph Nader, a true Public Servant, for POTUS twice. I do not at all regret those votes even as the ignorant Dims will be yapping for 50 years about him losing the election for Al Gore, who capitulated immediately and, like the Dim John Kerry, did not fight back against the vote fraud engineered by the Rethugs. So how could cowards who won’t fight when they have actually WON the election, think that we “owe” them our vote.
In Maine, the Dims lost the last governor’s election and did their best to keep the Independent, Eliot Cutler, from winning, even as he was fast rising in the poles (36% to the Rethug LePage’s 37%) and the Dim, Libby Mitchell, was fast sinking (at 18% and falling). Now, Cutler was smart to not run as a Dim; he read the mood of the electorate accurately, but the Dims had to be the spoilers and so a destructive TeaBagger Rethug, Paul LePage, was elected governor. By the way, Cutler had worked in the Carter administration and had written the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts. So the Maine Dims sabotaged the chance of getting an Independent who was really a progressive in many ways, by going door to door trying to convince voters to NOT vote for Cutler, so that they could cling to power, rather than serve the citizens of the state. So in Maine, it was the pot calling the kettle black. I’ll be voting for Rocky Anderson for POTUS, not for he fascist war criminal Obomber.
Glad to see your dedication to always losing and living with the aftermath hasn’t abated, plucky voter. Enjoy Paul LePage, since you might just as well have voted for him.
My thoughts exactly.
I’m voting for Rocky too. He got on the ballot in Minnesota and I wish he were on ballots in all 50 states but the rules protect the powerful. I was listening to some discussion about the convention earlier with TV people saying that Michelle’s speech was wonderful and that Barack could woo back many voters by delivering a super speech tomorrow. My thoughts were: “What? You have watched this administration for over three and a half years and you are going to let some glib speech cloud your memory?”
As Whoopi once observed about Democrats:
“Not a pair of balls among ‘em.”
Either the person responsible for putting these references in the platform in the first place, and didn’t, should be fired. Or if nobody thought about it in advance, the entire bunch of Rahmbos, Hoyers, Schumers, Wasserman-Schultzes, Reids and Pelosis should be banned from the rest of the convention for once again proving their spineless existence by caving so quickly. If this is looking forward, yikes.
Speaking of caving,
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/09/broken-democratic-platform-promises-from-2008.html
“…your dedication to losing and living with the aftermath…”
This, from a guy who wants progressives to live with losing, on practically every progressive issue….after winning BIG in 2008.
Speaking for an extreme minority at FDL, I would have supported the God and Jerusalem language in the platform. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the phrase “God-given abilities.” And the Jerusalem item has been in the platform of both parties forever. It states an ultimate goal, not an immediate plan, and it should be remembered that West Jerusalem has been a part of Israel since 1948. There is nothing incompatible between this item and a Palestinian state.
Well what were you expecting, head banger, and by the way I’m with you all the way with that solution. As we circle the bowl at an increasing rate of speed, both parties spew nonsense and lies, both parties are determined to start WWIII, keep pumping more money we don’t have into bank bailouts, and destroy the middle class by making us pay to provide corporate welfare, more funds for the police state and war. And then soon whoever gets elected when they get WWIII going, they will solve the unemployment problem with the draft, solve the population problem with the millions who will be killed directly or indirectly by the war, and by denying medical care to the elderly so they get rid of us ‘greedy geezer’ baby boomers who want to live, what a crime..so they can fund the top heavy bureaucracy in D.C. and the empire with our blood.
So now we go back to before the Magna Carta…forget the constitution and it’s protection against religion in government or our personal lives. The Zionist lobby, China and Saudi Arabia are running this pathetic excuse for a country now, presidents are just too busy bending over for Wall Street, multinational corporations and foreign countries who we are hopelessly in debt to, no wonder they can’t be bothered with Main Street, us, who they are supposed to be working for and defending. Oh but that was in the constitution, an outmoded document, created for free people not corporate slaves.
I don’t have words to describe how infuriating this is. My mind boggles. I am trying to refrain from profanity, and I would really like to take a lot of people out and curb stomp them. The political stupidity of doing this like they did is bad enough, and I have to grit my teeth when I see all over the social networks this morning words to the effect of “So, Dems, how do the Religious Right Teabagger’s B@lls taste?”
It’s an unforced error, and worse than that, it is a betrayal.
I’m an atheist, but besides that I have witnessed the way religion has poisoned my own family and state and country ever since the Falwell gang took over the GOP. I’ve watched the GOP become run by believer freaks and do everything to try to make me live my life according to their beliefs, and this doesn’t even address the impact on everyone else who has joined at least the 18th century and stopped letting fairy tales and magic sky daddies do their thinking for them.
As many disappointments as I have lived with over the past few years, I was getting excited again. Wow. We’re finally – FINALLY – going to have the adults in the room have the cojones to stand up and say, “You know – we’re not going to let the sheep in an apocalyptic death cult dictate real-world policy to us. We’re not going to bend a knee to make believe. We’re not going to make people like me an afterthought and second class citizen. We’re going to act, after two centuries, like the separation of church and state actually means something.” Finally. Finally.
I should have heard the bus horn. I watched while this idiot thing got proposed, I watched while the vote so awkwardly got called over and over, I watched the party apparatchik come out and tell Villargriosa (Or whatever his name is) to just do it, and I watched him rule for the yeas when it was patently obvious the nays had it.
Then this morning, I get treated to the Reichwingers gloating over how they are calling the shots in our platform, how the teleprompter demonstrates the vote was rigged, how Obama ordered this, and all punctuated with the smug faces of the FAUXNews people as they report this.
Thanks a lot, Benedict. Did my back get in the way of your knife?
And of course, true to form, the fake-progressive Xians here, despite all their mouthing off about being inclusive, are down with making me again a second tier member of their party. Pardon me for being a little bitter, but your fingerprints are all over that knife too if you’re okay with this crapola.
If this is leadership it’s little wonder we went from overwhelming victory in 2008 to, frankly, standing to lose both houses and the White House four years later. We frittered away a supermajority and chance to actually enact some of that hope and change. Instead of getting down to meaningful healthcare legislation, we left it to the last minute and used procedure to throw together some hastily written legislation at the last minute, and let’s be honest – it’s a mess. For all the crumbs of good it does, it’s a nightmare, and we dodged a bullet on it being ruled unconstitutional. And all we need is for the status quo to remain, let alone lose, and it’s doomed anyway. Even the SCOTUS “victory” pulled out its teeth and gelded it, and to say otherwise is wishful thinking.
We had it. And we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Then we lost the house, and our Senate supermajority, and frankly I see Obama losing this fall. And maybe the GOP taking the Senate in the bargain.
And I do not have to wonder how in the name of Molly McGillicuddy this happened; this – right here – is an illustration in a microcosm. You don’t listen to the people who voted for you, you don’t do the job they hired you to do, and you let the repukes set the agenda.
And you play into their hands. Over three years ago I saw the GOP starting with the “Blaming Bush, Blaming Bush, Blaming Bush” chant. Okay, yes, it’s true. TRUE DOESN’T MATTER. It was obvious to anyone paying attention that this was the field on which they wanted to fight, they were going to paint this as weak excusemaking. And what do I see last night – someone who I thought was a smart politician, Bill Clinton, throwing the Republicans into the same damn briar patch. Don’t fight the battle they want to fight. This is rule one. And this is just one example.
Then this. I am gobsmacked. Wow. Just wow. We’re preaching to the choir instead of the independents. That is where we win elections. Two days of a wonderful case made to people who are going to vote for you anyway, and I see why now.
I’m going to vote. I’m not going to protest vote for Romney or waste my vote on a 3rd party, but I’m not casting the vote I cast four years ago. This is a vote of resignation – what else can I do? Stay home? Part of me is saying that I might as well.
We picked North Carolina, unforced errors, people off message, not going for the independents, stabbing segments of the base in the back, and we have people wandering around getting ambushed in interviews who look like they are from a Harry Potter convention or something …”Yes We Can!” was not supposed to be an answer to “Could the GOP convention suck more?”
Well, congratulations. We look like we are pulling it off.
Give the republicans this:
They know a mark when they see one…and do they evermore have one sitting in the Oval Office.
Americans and Democrats recognize the problem, but have become neutered from having an ability to even criticize, just like citizens in a totalitarian country where one can’t criticize the symptoms because it offends the power elite.
We should all be very concerned that the supposed convention rules can be violated at the whim of some, while the Party refuses to address American issues such as organized labor or prosecuting banksters, or the costly wars, or unfair trade practices or many other issues. But they can break the rules to take care of another country???
The system in total is corrupt and twisted and it keeps us muzzled. As a trusted member of Daily Kos since 2004 (not a frequent poster), I was banned with no warning merely because I posted on several active threads that I was disturbed by this non-parliamentary work around that was not in the USA interest. It must have offended those that believe most Americans do not have the right to publicly criticize an unethical Party maneuver. They are wrong.
Jon Stewart pointed out that Villaraigosa’s confusion might have had something to do with the fact the teleprompter was telling him to say, “In the opinion of the chair, two-thirds having voted in the affirmative…”
http://www.monsters.fm/pages/news-videos.html?feed=425022&article=10398762
Sadly, the Party of NO has already declared what their plans are if/when President Obama gets re-elected. They are going to obstruct everything for another four years.