The flip side to the fact that deficit spending in a recession is responsible is that the story of the 1990s, the story of prosperity through surpluses, was actually deeply irresponsible, laying the conditions for the current crisis. Joe Weisenthal has a masterful article out, drawing on the work of UMKC professor and MMT theorist Stephanie Kelton, explaining how Clinton’s balanced budgets created trouble for the economy. I’m not certain I buy all of it, but it’s too important not to share.
Weisenthal lays out the makeup of GDP with this standard equation.
C represents consumption from individuals, I represents investment spending, G represents government, and X-M represents exports minus imports.
In our current predicament, we have low consumption, little or no investment, and a trade deficit. Government has to fill the hole. In the 1990s under Clinton, government was in surplus, meaning that it was dragging on growth. In addition, the trade deficit surged under Clinton in the late 1990s. So while investment was decent, the only sector that really made up the gap in GDP was private consumption. Household savings completely dissipated in the Clinton years, and household debt rose precipitously. Weisenthal shows this all in charts.
Then Stephanie Kelton lays the hammer blow:
Now, you might ask, “What’s the matter with a negative private sector balance?”. We had that during the Clinton boom, and we had low inflation, decent growth and very low unemployment. The Goldilocks economy, as it was known. The great moderation. Again, few economists saw what was happening with any degree of clarity. My colleagues at the Levy Institute were not fooled. Wynne Godley wrote brilliant stuff during this period. While the CBO was predicting surpluses “as far as the eye can see” (15+ years in their forecasts), Wynne said it would never happen. He knew it couldn’t because the government could only run surpluses for 15+ years if the domestic private sector ran deficits for 15+ years. The CBO had it all wrong, and they had it wrong because they did not understand the implications of their forecast for the rest of the economy. The private sector cannot survive in negative territory. It cannot go on, year after year, spending more than its income. It is not like the US government. It cannot support rising indebtedness in perpetuity. It is not a currency issuer. Eventually, something will give. And when it does, the private sector will retrench, the economy will contract, and the government’s budget will move back into deficit.
This is precisely what happened. It fueled an expansion of bubbles, first from tech stocks, then from housing, as private actors had to keep borrowing to satisfy consumption. And this could not hold out, and a crash resulted.
There’s a separate thread, based on some conservative thought about the blame of Fannie and Freddie in the crisis, that concerns the lack of Treasury debt and the need for something to replace it, which quickly became Fannie and Freddie-issued mortgage backed securities. I think there’s more to this story, as it was the private-label MBS that really took off relative to the GSEs. And what you must add to the critique of the Clinton years is deregulation, which allowed for the leveraging up of banks and the explosion of risky derivatives trading which turned a more manageable crisis into something disastrous.
Weisenthal writes:
And that brings up a broader question that people who advocate balanced budgets must answer.
What’s the point of it?
Despite the budget surplus, interest rates were higher. And the surplus provided no protection of the coming slump. And if anything, it just weakened the most brittle part of the economy: households.
That may not be a bug, but a feature. If it’s only households who suffer, elites don’t have to care. That sounds stupid but it’s actually true. The fortress balance sheets are in the hands of those wealthy enough to have walled themselves off from an economic downturn. They’re happy to see balanced budgets, because it constrains governments from taking steps to help the less fortunate, usually with progressive taxation.
So let’s not fall all over ourselves praising Bill Clinton tonight. His economic program laid the foundation for the current crisis.




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There’s going to be no one to fall over. 99% of American TVs will be on NBC, which I hear has some sort of non-scripted alternate programming this evening.
This is conflating the .com bubble and the housing bubble.
The first was unpleasant but didn’t tank the economy for very long,
and it’s a stretch to say that Clinton’s surpluses caused it.
The housing bubble, which happened after the Bush deficits had already started, was partly due to Greenspan’s insistence on holding interest rates down to prop up a Republican president. And partly deregulation, for which Clinton can be assigned some of the blame.
Thanks, David. It’s about time someone pointed this out.
Per Prof. L. Randall Wray of UMKC:
That’s not a coincidence.
the problem is as I think you stated that you probably can’t tie all this together in a short blog post, and frankly, you’re way too harsh on Clinton. Clinton did a us huge favor to tame the deficit _when he could_. Yes, he screwed up with Glass Stegall (bad idea) and NAFTA (ok idea but tough to get it to work well).
The “hammer” to the economy, though, came from Bush’s tax cuts (both personal _and_ the often forgotten lower cap gains/dividends), Bush’s war with Iraq, and Greenspan’s idiotically low post-9/11 and post 2002 recession interest rates.
If you think surpluses are bad, wait until we get 10 more years of trillion dollar deficits with high defense spending. That’s what is really not sustainable.
Bill Clinton would have done a lot more for the “people” in the past 4 years because he cares about them more, and he’s a little smarter than Obama. The $250K+ crowd would definitely be paying more in taxes now if someone like Clinton were in charge.
P.S. interest rates were high in the 90s due to another Greenspan mistake of being too worried about inflation. I used to get infuriated from 93-95 when he was pumping them up needlessly.
Thank you for posting this. Truth is out at long last. BTW I said this morning in one of your posts that Clinton started a recession with his surpluses. Now he is going to brag about it. A surplus takes money put of the economy. We gotta understand that or we will never get out of this trap. Obama, Clinton and the Thugs all got it wrong.
Sorry but that is wrong. Deficits don’t matter unless you are at full capacity.
Obama, Clinton and the Thugs are one and the same.
I so wish we could get people to read. Wray, et.al.
When it comes to economics, they are. All of them buy into the neoliberal bullshit that debt and deficits are bad.
Me too – the Levy Institute at Bard College is a good place to start. I started reading it last millenium, but didn’t believe the analysis until reality intervened.
Everyone should read Keltons quote in this post, maybe three times. The main point is this: if the government runs a surplus and the current account is in deficit it means to the penny that the private economy is losing the sum of those two, to the freaking penny. And you cannot do that for long until something gives, usually a recession.
First off, the surpluses were bipartisan. As someone said somewhere on the internet in the last 24 hours the Democrats are the tax collectors of our country.
The deficit wasn’t that big and it didn’t last that long, but certainly it could have been used to better purposes.
What has destroyed the economy is that too much wealth is being taken out of the economy, sitting in the pockets of the rich. No one invests in business expansion if there is no market to sell things.
Which leads me to Republican economics. The grand strategy behind the trickle-down was never to make the middle-class rich. It was an intentional fraud in order to permanently restructure America to an economy of the ultra-rich and the rest of us servants.
The new economics web site has a primer by Wray on modern money and he has a book coming out in a few weeks.
I don’t know if the PTB actually “buy into” the NeoLib bullshit that debt & deficits are bad (albeit, I don’t know). My guess is that it’s used as a propoganda tool to fool the rubes into voting against their own interests. Too many citizens buy into the notion that the fed govt budget is just like their own personal or home budget. It’s not, and the two should never be compared.
Yet I had someone at my gym yesterday going on & on & on about the deficit. Of course, the fact that the deficit grew vastly under W was effectively “lost” on this person. They only wanted to focus on how “terribly” Obama had done blah blah blah…
For me, it’s just blowing smoke.
Thanks for the post, however, and I certainly wasn’t going to praise Clinton anyway.
I happen to think that is the difference between the two parties.
Yes, quite. The trickle-down/supply-side economics agenda may have been developed by “Republicans,” but it’s certainly being carried through by today’s “Democrats,” IMO.
Could be. I must have the same idiot at my gym. I do believe Obama believes his own bullshit. If he didnt he could easily win this election and he would not have put out a cat food commission or wanted a grand bargain. Fool may lose bc he and his advisors don’t know shit.
The first party that uses these ideas to advance the public purpose will lock up the government for themselves for a very long time. The democrats could lock out the thugs and all the SS and Medicare austerity forever.
Wow, the MMT bullshit is getting thick in here.
Wrong. A surplus pays off debts which creditors must invest elsewhere. Unless it’s that really fictional money provided by the FED … in which case you’ve alleviated some of the growing burden on your heirs you are an accomplice to creating.
“The Seven Deadly Innocent Frauds of Economic Policy” by Warren Mosler help to explain this very counter intuitive idea of MMT that budget surpluses are not all that great in a fiat money economy. We have had a fiat currency since Nixon took us completely off the gold standard in 1971.
http://moslereconomics.com/
What makes me particularly angry about Clinton is that according to Mosler, he understands monetary operations and the essentials of MMT, but told Mosler that it could not fly politically.
Every Progressive should look into this as MMT provides a good rationale for full employment, with the government being the employer of last resort to provide a safety net for labor and a ready labor reserve for the private sector.
It also explains in my mind why Dick Cheney, who started under Nixon, said that deficits don’t matter and why every Republican since Nixon has not worried about the deficit while preaching otherwise.
Read Mosler,s book on the Innocent Frauds, it is realitively short and online for free.
I think the issue with the deficit, etc, is that IS somewhat complex, and to really understand it requires some thought & homework (such as what you suggest). Most citizens are simply not going to go there. So it’s easier for them to drink the Kool Aid – often bellowed at them by Rush (as is most likely the case with your gym rat & mine) – to compare the fed govt budget to your own personal budget blah blah blah.
The propoganda wurlitzer works overtime to promote this false comparison bc it’s: a) easily understood by most citizens, and b) it distracts them from how things really work.
Does Obama believe this b.s.? I surely don’t know. I gave up a long time ago trying to figure that dude out. He may be the ideal Manchurian candidate carefully trained from birth by the CIA or similar to do this very job. Otherwise, I got ??? nothing, other than he’s for sure run by the Banks and Wall St.
Exactly. Which is why is so infuriating when citizens permit themselves to be distracted by this epic lie. Thanks for the link.
So a government surplus is inflationary?
You mean absent all other factors? (Which discussion I won’t venture into.)
If it’s destroying FED dollars, no. If it’s returning comprador dollars, it depends.
Best president in modern US history,is easy to blame Clinton now,i remember back then that Florida was a paradise,money anywhere, a lot of jobs anywhere,everybody was happy,very few people strugling,Clinton would have turn around all these mess for sure these last 4 years.
A government surplus lowers aggregate demand. All other things being equal, at less than full employment, this will lower GDP. To the extent that this lowers the demand for loans, the money supply, which is endogenous, could decrease.
Did not know that about Clinton. It surprises me that he would not use it to advance his agenda. But it does take some getting used to.
What makes me angry with him is the bragging about the surplus which is taking money out of the economy.
It is not like MMT is new here. Letsgetitdone wrote several blogs on it and if you remember selise, she also talked about it and cross posted a few of Keltons pieces. Whatever happened to her anyway?
It was Clinton who pimped for and signed the 2 pieces of legislation that laid the foundation for the current economic disaster – the Financial Services Modernization Act & the Commodities Futures Modernization Act. Do you think his buddy Sandy “Citigroup” Weill held a gun to his head and forced the Oxford Scholar to commit these crimes? Who forced him to initiate the outsourcing of our manufacturing jobs that were the result of shilling for NAFTA? Clinton is corporate scum masquerading as a Democrat, just like the current President.
Which means you’ve just entered the realm of models …
Where is that surplus going, comrade? If it’s all spent by compradors, then it just goes to the markets that compradors like and not what the Federal government prefers. If they want only their usury, they’re not going to be happy.
Delusional.
Yeah. It’s still the same old capitalist bullshit.
You are a hard sell, comrade.
No, David. Surpluses don’t fuel bubbles. Debt fuels bubbles. The surpluses were coincident with the bubbles, they did not cause them. The mistake was that the surpluses were taken as a sign of strength.
Once again, the fact that surpluses and balanced budgets became mistakenly associated with good times is not a precedent for the current embrace of austerity. There is nothing Keynesian about wanting to cut spending and raise taxes in a recession.
A surplus doesn’t “go anywhere,” Ludwig. It’s a shortfall — like the difference between the optimal rainfall and the actual rainful. The ground doesn’t ask where it went. LOL
MMT is not a cure for Capitailism, Ludwig. It’s a way of explaining how things really work. Things still suck. LOL
Exactly.
Actually there may be something to that. If the wealthy are taking all the surplus, they get richer and we get nowhere. These past four years there have been huge deficits but we still have very high unemployment. Time to start taxing the mothers.
That’s putting the very best face on it.
No. MMT has a policy advocacy component as well. It’s not all misrepresentative and contested accounting.
He is really pretty smart when he is sober.
Careful comrade. You may be catching on.
You can’t “take” a surplus and do something with it. A surplus is a lack of something — a shortfall of government spending versus taxes.
A surplus is a shortfall … sounds like you’ve got tubers running in between your neurons.
A surplus is used to pay down the debt. Go consult with bluedot, comrade.
Only when he’s sleeping?
There you go. Problem is, they own the government now, comrade, thanks to all doofus compradors, and can do whatever they want with those taxes.
MMTers have policies they advocate. They differ in some respects. But MMT, per se, is a description of how the modern monetary system actually works.
Damn. Not subtle enough, eh?
Corporatist scum to be exact. Neither could care less about the average person, except every 4 yrs. Beyond that it’s golf and champagne at the club. The two parties are “Animal Farm” writ large.
Well that sounds pretty dangerous comrade, given how difficult it is for them to explain simple fucking math.
Prolly misspoke. Meant surplus to the private sector.
It’s like there’s an ideological trap door – mention surplus and the eCon’d brains chute to, “Can’t do that. Mustn’t do that. Bad boy. Do no pay off state debt.”
Programmed the doofuses well, I must say.
OT – Just checking in for now, y’all. I’ve more or less decided I would wait until the DNConvention is done before I attempt to post further comments re: same. Meanwhile, I ask all fellow FDL bloggers to please join me in reflecting on the virtually incredible trajectory of events/circumstances which have ensued in the overall timeframe starting with early October, 2010 — a time when, IMO, total Republican electoral/political dominance appeared immanent in the U.S., etc.
I simply cannot emphasize this enough: we’ve certainly journeyed forth over a great metaphoric distance together since then, haven’t we?
Also, if any good political cartoonists are reading this, I’d like to see a panel consisting of a room furnished with a standing, framed two-way mirror with an elephass and a donkephant staring into the mirror at each other from either end, you know? And please make the mirror’s frame the shape of a __________________… thanks
Err, I meant to say the surplus wasn’t that big and didn’t last that long.
Thanks for the assist. You’re correct that I should have used “ist” instead of “e”.
My pleasure.
I am suspicious of some the conclusions of this study, trying to spread the blame. I’m trying to wrap my head around this. Correct me if I’m wrong here.
Weren’t the Fannie & Freddie mortgages a small percentage of the ones that were defaulted on, at least the defaults that caused the crash? And wasn’t the issuance of mortgage-backed securities demanded by the banks & investors (markets), then acquiesced to by Fannie & Freddie? Wasn’t there massive fraud by the banks in lending to unqualified buyers and bundling those misrepresented- faulty-rated credit default swaps? Weren’t home values inflated by an insistence on continual appreciation by lenders and realtors? Didn’t most of this happen because of the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the bankster gambling & fraud that happened later?
One more thing: the reason many low-income buyers couldn’t afford their mortgages was because their wages were depressed or stagnant, and because they didn’t understand what they were getting into (variable rates, balloon payments, etc). This notion that “there’s plenty of blame to go around” seems erroneous to me. In this “richest country in the world”, why can’t the vast majority of people afford to buy a modest house???
Bluedot, I’ve been blogging MMT here constantly since the Spring of 2010. There must be over 200 Posts here on one or another aspect of the topic. I’m glad to see David Dayen beginning to come aboard with this Post.
Matty Yglesias has a post coming off Wiesenthal’s that corrects it a bit, but agrees on the main MMT focus. Then Karl Whelan picked up on Wiesenthal’s Post and produces a very nice critical commentary on it, while supporting MMT and acknowledging Stephanie Kelton’s great work on the MMT approach.
Finally, Stephanie Kelton has a short Post acknowledging the posts by Wiesenthal and Yglesias. It provides the bottom line that they and Dave have overlooked:
And that’s the point I’ve been making all these months in various ways. At the Federal level money is never an excuse for not passing legislation that will benefit most Americans; for the simple reason that we can create as much money as we want or need. So, the next time some Federal office holder starts poverty mouthing you; tell ‘em you don’t want to hear that because you know the difference between a money issuer and a money user and you know that the Government can create all the money it needs to do any good progressive thing we want it to do. And then tell that office holder that you won’t accept any such excuse and that you’ll vote against she or he in the next election if they can’t convince you that what you want them to vote for is a bad thing to do.
Of course it can. It can also regulate but it chooses not to.
Capitalism is fraud.
“Sorry but that is wrong. Deficits don’t matter unless you are at full capacity”
Well, you can tell that to the bondholders ten years from now when we’re still under full capacity and running huge deficits. Yes, we can pay them off, so that’s an easy and possibly satisfying conversation.
Then, you can explain to Grandma why her savings account and CDs aren’t worth a thing. That’s where it gets hard.
it won’t be hard if you double Grandma’s SS, and revise Medicare so it covers everything rather than only 80%. And we can afford that too.
When the Fed creates money, as a legacy of our pre-1971 commodity-backed money system, it also creates an equal amount of debt. Extinguishing debt and money are simultaneous when the Fed retrieves what the government previously spent. Both go away simultaneously. It’s obvious, therefore, that extinguishing debt also removes currency or financial assets from the non-government sector. The accounting identity is this:
Government “debt” = non-government financial assets + current account (i.e. exports – imports)
The current account isn’t going to make much contribution to the equation, since it’s negative.