Today is the day in our quadrennial orgy of political campaigning where the two sides lay down their arms and grow silent in commemoration of 9/11. Ads get pulled, candidates lay wreaths, the military gets praised. Therefore, it took serious guts for the New York Times to publish an op-ed from Kurt Eichenwald, based on his reporting for a book called “500 Days: Secrets and Lies in the Terror Wars,” which shows the extent to which the Bush Administration simply ignored warnings about an impending attack from Al Qaeda.
We already knew about the infamous Presidential Daily Briefing of August 6, 2001, entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” But Eichenwald focuses on the briefings BEFORE August 6, going as far back as May of that year, warning of an imminent attack, with Al Qaeda operatives inside the United States already doing the preparation.
The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.
But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.
In response, the C.I.A. prepared an analysis that all but pleaded with the White House to accept that the danger from Bin Laden was real.
We already knew that neoconservatives targeted their response to 9-11 to Iraq, regardless of the evidence. Now we know that they shaped their reality about terrorism to tie to their beliefs about Iraq, also regardless of the evidence.
The most frightening part of this is that these neocons, including people like Elliott Abrams and John Bolton, serve as advisers to the Mitt Romney campaign. And that’s not necessarily because Romney is some bloodthirsty imperialist; it’s because those remain the only foreign policy mandarins in the Republican Party, even after being thoroughly discredited before, during and after 9/11.
This always gets downplayed as a failure to “connect the dots,” with contempt for Clinton-era officials who put up a wall between the intelligence agencies. But I always saw it as a fish rotting from the head down kind of moment. And this confirms it.
Read the entire Eichenwald op-ed piece. And there’s also an excerpt of 500 Days at Vanity Fair’s site, which concerns Tony Blair’s equivocation on whether to join the Iraq coalition, particularly after being told the war was illegal.




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Remember Gleiwitz?????????????????????????????????
Tell us something most already know, please? Seems the neo-fascist Neocon con artists took a page right out of the Nazi fascist handbook. Just like with the overthrow of Mossadegh, it has always been about fucking oil and protecting business monopolies. Screw corporate fascists, as Jefferson warned. History will not be kind to the enablers. It will tear them a new asshole…..
But, but, … a
namesake of a Chevron oil tankerdistinguished Stanford historianhas referred to the August 6 PDB as “historical information based on old reporting.”
They planned it. Of course they knew about it in advance.
David,
Here’s an update for your post: the Neocons’ rapid response to the NYTimes article: Ari Fleischer Uses ‘Truther’ Slur to Blunt Criticism That the Bush White House Received More Bin Laden Warnings Than Were Previously Known
So typical. And here we are watching our country turn into a police state, all because some neocons, hellbent on bombing Iraq, refused to heed the MANY CIA Counterterrorism officials’ warnings. We can only assume, based on that fact, that the 9-11 attacks may very well have been preventable.
It is all so much more than sickening. Facts you describe were so against the welfare of our country that they surely rise to an anti-American standard. Some of these people were traitors to the well-being of our country. RIP….the one who had lost his job and was working at the World Trade Center. His mouth was shut, but he had already talked alot.
Ari is Rove with a shorter name…Does anyone believe either of them?
thanks, David. i’ve always wondered how the invasion of a disarmed nation w/o ANY air defense –like Irac, Lebannon, Grenada, Gaza, etc., etc. — can be titled “war.”
then again, “al quada” is apparently a world military power with operatives under every bed so … after we kill the #2 in command a thousand times (or two thousand times?) maybe we’ll “win” and can go home? –nah, perpetual “war” is the only thing left for the #1 weapons mfg-sales corp: usa, inc.
The Bush Crime Syndicate got just what they wanted on 9/11/2001; they planned it. If you think otherwise, you are delusional. No offense intended. Tough love.
Danger maybe, but there was no proof of any danger from bin Laden then or now, which is why OBL was killed and not tried. OBL was on the FBI Ten Most Wanted list but not for 9/11.
Spent yesterday on 9/11.
Learned a couple of new things, among which relates to AQ.
AQ, you prolly already know, means the base, as in database. Think excel spread sheet.
AQ has from its inception been an arm of the CIA to do stuff that the CIA can’t do itself, and the U.S. military can’t do either bc it is too visible.
We all know about AQ being used by the CIA to force the Soviets out of Afghanistan. Charlie Wilson’s war.
What was new to me was CIA use of AQ in the Balkans to break up Yugoslavia and allow the U.S. to capture or kill Slobodan Milosovic.
Besides the intended outcome, i.e. creation of powerless micro states in the the middle of Europe, so much closer to Russia, is the existence of Camp Bondsteel. One of the largest U.S. military bases on earth. Had to tear down two hills & fill in the valley betw to build it. 16,000 U.S. troops for a Kosovo pop of 2 million. You may be assured that the only economy of Kosovo is cleaning army toilets.
The 1% had to make up a new “fremeny” out of whole cloth after the USSR folded up their tents and went away… for a while.
Of course, now Team FuckYouUp is making new deals with KGB Vlad to make them the Numero Due “frenemy” again. Good times! Will inure to the benefit of both, uh, “nations” (aka corportate holdings), no doubt.
It’s almost like the neocons wanted the attack to happen … ahem.
Z
I can’t even imagine how the people who lost family and friends in this tragedy must be feeling. I might be able to accept the death of someone but I would never get over my feelings about my country being able to manipulate the public this way.
Why thanks for the update, m’dear. As you indicate, as a retiree, you have time to do this research. I had heard that about AQ in the Balkans.
BTW, how fortutious: Camp Bondsteel. heh… did they pay that general to change his name?? Too frickin’ much, that one.
And then, here’s the MONEY quote (and I ain’t just a-whistlin’ dixie, baby):
CHA-CHING for Darth CHENEY!!! woot! ray! USA USA USA, FUCK YOU UP!
there’s no “almost” about it…
9/11 modeled on Operation Northwoods, 1962.
by the way, speaking of air defense, where were the air national guard, civil air patrol and strategic air command on 9-11?
speaking of defense, sending the national guard to invade a country thousands of miles away is an indication of how concerned cheney was about “defending” us from the muslems.
Hey, we got AQ#2 again in Yemen just in time for the anniversary. That #2 job has to be the most dangerous position in the world! Why would #3 keep accepting that promotion? You know your name goes right to the top of O’s Kill List!
I, too must stay silent during this anniversary, remove my tinfoil hat and hold it over my heart in commemoration of all those who still refuse to question the official story.
I suspect that the honest historians will not be kind to Bush and that dick Cheney when they write about perhaps the most infamous administration in history.
Yes, indeed. Ponder that one for a bit longer… if you think the 1% gives one flying shit about anyone in the 99%, let me hasten to disabuse you of that notion. We are nothing more & nothing less than cannon fodder and slave-labor to them. Believe it.
Thanks. Had heard about that, as well, but good to get the link. And of course, we all know what happened in 1963, don’t we?? As in: it’s when the blinders were permanently ripped from my eyes…
OTOH….Bush looked genuinely “surprised” when he was informed.
Hmmmmmmmm
Maybe he wasn’t “in the loop”.
You assume that future historians will be able to, uh, be factual and tell the truth. I wouldn’t count on it.
I think W looked like the utter drunken DOLT that he is, was and has always been. But being dumber than a post, he may have actually shit himself when he contemplated that HIS father caused all those people to die. Anything is possible.
OR: as you say, perhaps bc he is such DUMBO, he was kept out of the loop by Poppy & BigDick. quite possible.
If they would have done something about all these warnings, how would they get the new Pearl Harbor they needed to justify trying to conquer the middle east? Lucky coincidence that the hijackers took over those planes on the very day NORAD was doing drills with fake radar blips of planes hitting buildings. Lucky for them that Sibel Edmonds was taken off the case. Lucky for them they got training at a naval air base. I guess Bush/Cheney should have just paid a little more attention. Or maybe they already were.
Wouldn’t surprise me if Bush himself was out of the loop. His incurious detachment from all issues is exactly why the neocon Republicans at the time chose him as their figurehead.
He looked to them for all the answers.
He really didn’t; just dazed, as usual. More concerned about how to read a children’s book aloud. Still needs a tutor, hence Cheney. So creepy.
yeah. funny about all of those coinkydinks, eh? Like also ignoring what Richard Clark told ‘em. Didn’t W or Condi or some stooge say: We Know already, so STFU.
Well, heh, if they KNEW, ergo…
Another element I checked out on my 9/11 quest yesterday is what the debunkers of the ’9/11 conspiracy nuts’ have to say.
I’ve prolly read half a dozen articles, maybe more, by supporters of the ‘official’ story. I have yet to read one that addresses the scientific evidence of how 3 towers collapsed at free fall speed on that day. The only 3 in history of fires in skyscrapers when they ever collapsed.
Instead, the debunkers get their jollies by making fun of the ‘conspiracy nuts.’ Including a Mother Jones one I read for the first time yesterday.
MoJo author, as is common on the left, purveyed an attitude of great moral superiority. Also averred, with a delicious snideness, that the USG is too incompetent to have pulled it off.
Righto. The USG didn’t have the resources & organization to do it, but some religious nutcase in a cave in Afghanistan did?
Ari Fleisher whispered in his ear: Op Northwoods is underway. Look surprised.
Such a schizophrenic post.
I know, the gatekeepers are the worst. Have you read Matt Taibbi’s “debate” with David Ray Griffin? Somehow an investigative reporter like Taibbi is reduced to spewing the official talking points and name calling.
And your diagnosis is based on what? Surely you have a strong case to make.
Ya know that you need to get ready to take a beating if you start bringing up the conspiracy theories about why the skyscrapers fell the way they did. Even the so-called “left” will jump all over your ass.
I’m not sure why, myself, but I’ve seen otherwise seemingly “resonable” commenters go nuts about that. Interesting…
I do believe that the airplanes flew into the towers (as opposed to some who claim they did not), but I wondered EVEN on 9/11/2001 why/how the towers fell so quickly. Mind you, my knowledge of anything approaching any kind of engineering is less than ZERO, but…
Agreed that while the USG IS often incompetent, I also believe that they have access to a lot of sophisticated stuff that none of us know about, and that certain people – who have a larger vision than some – can’t quite fathom yet either.
As I said, my blinders were ripped away in 1963. Anything goes and already has. Tally ho!
Elaborate, please. I’m sure you have an opinion.
No I haven’t read that, but from your description, it seems like same-ole-same-ole.
I’ve been skeptical of Taibbi. I love his ability to string invective words together. My wondering has been how much substance there is behind his stunning ability to write.
I was 5 miles away when the first plane hit. I got back to apt in time to see second plane hit on TV.
I knew nothing about terriss on 9/11 so just absorbed official story like a sponge. But did wonder about a lot of stuff on the date. Speed of building collapse was just one example.
Lest we forget:
Benizir Bhutto:
The Woman Who Knew Too Much
I have serious doubts it was bin Laden who was snuffed on that Seal raid either. Just another paper tiger put to rest…and the wars go on.
presstv is doing a special on corruption in the papal state. I haven’t been listening but it sounds like a real ringer. Involves stolen pope papers, nonpayment of property taxes. Will have to pay attention when they replay the documentary.
Odd, that in America it is acceptable to state:
But unacceptable (and potentially career-ruining) to state:
Granted, we will likely never know for certain whether that neocon negligence was intentional or unintentional, but the facts seem to suggest that had they heeded those serious warnings, 9-11 might very well have been preventable.
Eggzactly. A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.
A-yup. There is that.
I can maybe “get” why the SEALS were commanded to kill who was putatively ObL, but then dump the body at sea? Sure, right. Pull the other one.
Anyway, the SEALs had ObL in their sights in the Torra Borra Hills of Afghanistan in Oct 2001, when
Poppy BushDick CheneyW told them to stop & go away. The SEALs most likely could have gotten ObL at that point, but the BFF of the Bin Laden family, the Bush Crime Syndicate, walked away.Didn’t want to kill their BFF’s son, plus THEN there would’ve been no reason for WAR, Inc.
Bogus… the whole LOT of it. All crap. All made up. Lot of US citizens, not to mention MANY more foreigners, lost their lives so that these greedy 1%ers could make a lotta money. The end.
Yes. AT THE VERY LEAST, there is that.
keep us posted on the
pederastpope corruption… that’s another corrupt “corporation” that’s been permitted to get away with murder, not to mention ongoing serial abuse of children.And our freedoms as Americans are being taken from us, due to our very own refusal to so much as recognize and speak to the neocon’s negligence prior to 9-11.
That is what I have always believed since the news about ‘you covered your ass’ came out. The Bush administration knew there was going to be attack, but they assumed it would be something minor or flawed, like the first attempt on the World Trade Center. A few dozen deaths at most, and the casus belli they were looking for. In short, they were prepared to sacrifice a couple of dozen innocent American lives to further their aims to seize Iraqui oil. We know that the concessions to that oil were mapped out at the energy meetings in January, 2011. Instead, they sacrificed three thousand lives.
911 is a day that really should live in infamy.
Anybody heard anything about his book that the marine wrote about allegedly killing ObL? What’s the deal with that?? More distraction for the rubes?
What is the definition of criminal negligence? Why are these people all free on our streets and in some cases still speaking out on foreign policy?
The bombing of the destroyer at Aden? Or is your memory defective?
Hey, one info search at a time.
You are not the boss of me.
:-)
I’m not too interested in R.C. corruption. It’s a dying institution that will take a long time to expire bc the religion gene is so fundamental in humans.
The neocons have not been negligent. Quite the contrary. They have been very busy & very efficient.
Disclosure project witness Carol Rosin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM
Russians—>terrorists—>rogue nations(3rd world)—>asteroids—->ET’s
….according to Dr. VB.
Well back in the day, if you attempted to speak up, you got in BIG TROUBLE. Remember all the cries about TREASON!!! Aiding & Comforting the Enemy???
It was very very difficult in the days and years right after 9/11/01 to even speak out, much less protest. There were those of who did, of course. But what happened? The preponderence of the
sheepslavespopulace backed down and drank the KOOL AID and said: IF it’s for the good of our “safety,” then it’s the All-American Way, and I’m A-OK with it. Take away my freedumbs!!It’s very difficult when the majority of the population is willingly giving it all away without one little whimper. There are those who come here to comment about what a “traiter” Pfc Bradley Manning is for blowing the whistle.
The planes were scrambled, but it took some time to realize what had happened. The pilots were killed before they could get the SOS out. The last plane, however, was probably shot down by the air force.
Hear ya, but you brought it up! I’m not that interested, either, but you tend to find the “good dirt,” so just let us know when the time comes around!! heh…
Exactly. We are to them what the men in the trenches in World War I were to their elite. Dispensable.
and in 1968, twice.
Criminal negligence only happens when it’s perpetrated by someone in the 99%. I thought you knew that! (first sentence is accurate; second sentence is snark)
I don’t disagree, but by 1968, my blinders were well and truly gone.
Some one called off the investigation of the Aden bombing.
I’m not up on the details, but from my vague memory FBI was not given access to info, so investigation stalled. Then W was inaugurated and nothing more happened. Think they didn’t get far enough to show that OBL was involved.
Bush was negligent for not doing enough – it was an inside job.
It’s good to keep an open mind…
I can always find time for some good dirt, esp since presstv has done all the work.
Thanks for your response. Who or what was schizophrenic? I like to keep an open mind, myself.
Do you think we could be in the stage of a new world struggling to be born? I really don’t know, but clearly the US has decided it cannot play well with others. We are in some no-man’s land of complete distortion and lies and no trust. Maybe passing, I don’t know, of course. My very beautifulu grandchild was not yet a toddler on 9/11. The world has been really crazy for at least that long. I am hoping for something much, much better…..
I’m sorry but, “If the pope does it it’s not illegal.”
Wow! I just had a real “deja vu” moment there. Anybody else????
I must say that I’m still getting my jollies from the name of Camp BondSteel!!!
Hey, if I don’t laugh, I’ll weep, wail, tear my hair out & pound my head into a brick wall.
That name, though! Lordy! Too much.
Obviously, the reference is to the evasion of Democratic capture by neocons.
And the US is now using al-Qaeda to justify its incursions in Syria and Africa. Wherever we want to cause trouble or steal the natural resources of a country – poof! – up pops a group with ties to al-Qaeda and all of a sudden there are more American special ops boots on the ground, losing us hearts and minds around the world.
from the FBI file:
FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitive
Murder of U.S. Nationals Outside the United States; Conspiracy to Murder U.S. Nationals Outside the United States; Attack on a Federal Facility Resulting in Death
USAMA BIN LADEN
Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden
I’ll believe OBL died in the way the TV told me when I can poke his bloated corpse with a stick like a dead clown among the cattails.
What did I miss in the sequence from being lied into war (as always) to the official version re OBL is honest and true? Are we supposed to imagine that when it comes to the GWOT everything but the corpses is a lie, except that bit about the SEALs assassinating OBL?
I would love to think so, but I truly don’t know.
One of my teachers keeps telling us that everything goes in cycles, and that it’s actually been much worse at points in the past. Possibly true.
That said, it *appears* to me that the 1% are colluding on a global scale to wreak the shock doctrine upon us serfs. The name Bilderburg springs to mine.
They got all the money, honey… it ain’t good.
The vaunted Steve Jobs Apple plant, Foxconn (another aptly named entity) is purportedly “in trouble” for forcing Chinese students to be slaves to work on IPADS. Of course, Steve Jobs, before he died, hastened to reassure us
rubessoon-to-be-slavesthat he was “forced” to off-shore work to China becausehe was a greedy pigUS workershad the temerity to demand real wages, reasonable working hours, and gasp! benefitssimply couldn’t “work fast enough” to fill the demand for his vaunted products.Read it and weep. Coming soon to a plant near you: US students forced to work for free, per what Newt Gingrich SAID during the “Primary” Kabuki Show earlier this year.
Although we still have a lot of voters who don’t hava a clue, more and more people are sesing that the 99% are getting the shaft, big time. Unfortuinately, in a two-party system where the two partiesa are basically in collusion, it puts the populace in a vice.
The only solutiuons to the current predicament are: a) a viable third party that can influence elections (not necessarily run a successful candidate) b) campaign finance reform c) term limits.
But, I think those are all 20-40 years off
The U.S., lacking evidence and proof, routinely kills suspects.
I wouldn’t think for a second that they would balk at sacrificing 3,000 lives, even the extra valuable US ones.
This part of the story needs to be joined with the part where we recruit and arm bin Laden, help train the Mujahideen to fight in Afghanistan. Then it’s a little more complete. He remained useful even after he blew up the WTC.
I think that what’s “honest & true” about the GWOT is that the 1% made a LOTTA money, honey. You can take that to the bank (or perhaps a local credit union would be better).
My cousin said that his wives have been returning his copies of Playboy marked “Moved, left no forwarding address.”
I suggest that in comparison to what the US decided to do after the 9/11 attack, who committed the attack and what led up to it is inconsequential.
Why yes. And (I know you were most likely being snarky) US citizens like to fancy themselves “extra valuable,” but hey: guess again. Every bit as fungible as anyone else out there, esp if you keep Occupying or going on strikes and don’t STFU, bend over and take the shaft quietly saying: thank you, sir, shove it in harder, please.
And, apparenbtly, suspected suspects.
Yes, the Team USA FUCK YOU UP will use Al Qaeada for all sorts of “excuses” to do all sorts of fucked up stuff, and the
rubespopulace will accept it, if they’re even paying attention.As stated, after the fall of the Iron Curtain, TEAM USA FUCK YOU UP had to INVENT a new frenemy. AQ is the new IT enemy, doncha know??? All purpose. Got the rightwing
charlatans“preachers” to get theirmarks“flocks” to agree that the only good Muslim is a dead one… just like the commies of days of yore. Neat, huh?agree….there was NEVER a “failure to connect the dots” everyone’s “hair was on fire”
but of course anyone that sees a pattern to this make believe “failure” is a “truther”
It’s my understanding that AQ is on U.S. side in Syria. Part of U.S. ground troops being used to overthrow Assad.
I wouldn’t go that far, albeit what happened after 9/11 is breathtaking. But IMO, it’s how it was perpetrated that enabled the destroyers to wreak so much havoc on a largely gullible and too trusting public.
Have you talked to your favorite comprador today?
I suppose you’re right.
Saddam Hussein – check.
Osama Bin Laden – check.
Thanks, David, for the job you do every day.
Not the first time that we fought with AQ, nor the first time we armed them, either.
The whole AQ as dreaded enemy has always been a false flag and bogus.
Thanks….I might give a little better chance to the $$ for campaigns issue. I think alot of people have been shocked at what we are seeing.
Im on my way out, sadder than when I started with this thread. What a weird way to take notice of this day. On 9/11 our country had a non-legally elected Pres., no doubt about it. The Supremes played its own crooked hand. Much of this has been truly shameful in our history. When
one says, Never Give UP, that is mostly for the young….The old become too weary. In Chicago on this day we can see some of the future for our young. The public schools must survive, and that may be another tough battle. Y’all enjoy the rest of the day.
one of the “past cycles” of 9/11 is the fact that cheney pulled the exact same deek under ford, when he wanted to undermine nixon’s treaty of detante, cheney had a fake cia he called “team b” manufacture “evidence” about a miracle submarine that defied detection (yes, the movie hunt for red october was based on cheney’s fantastacal deek)
when you read this link you will be amazed to find that was written BEFORE we went to war in Iraq…before, it is hard to believe how accurate that paper is for what was about to unfold
Yes, but also:
Cowing under US citizens – check
Successful, but hostile, take over of US govt by 1% – check
will have to check out later. gotta run. but can well believe it.
it is my understanding aq was a creation under reagan, I might not be able to say “by” reagan since he might have had his Alzheimer’s by then and it might have bush that actually created al qaeda.
think of it, bush created al qaeda then his son “ignored” clear intel about the impending doom from al qaeda
Exactly! When the President says as much, I will, for the first time since I was a child, take him at his word. Until then, I will sooner believe if George W, Obama or their handlers tell us they have captured Bigfoot than to buy a single word they have uttered about the GWOT.
Ha. Indeed. These would be the wives that OBL–the irredeemable coward that he is–used to shield himself from the righteous justice of the SEAL’s bullets in the fashion of a true comic book villain?
Hey, a good friend emailed me a picture of a sandal floating on water, with the caption: Now we know for sure.
Why would you not believe that? (/s if needed)
Disclosure project & Steven Greer spread disinformation.
“Every bit as fungible as anyone else out there . . .”
Indeed. The owning class doesn’t give a shit who provides the bones for them to march on. The folks who ginned up these wars have murdered over a million Iraqis over the last 20 years and sent to their deaths more soldiers than the number of civilians who died on 9/11. What frequently forms the basis for those who dismiss out of hand the claims of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists (and granted, many of them are full of shit and in search of simple, manageable answers) is an assumption that the US government would never sacrifice its own citizens to advance the interests of the owning class. Millions of miners, for example, beg to differ. Only the rose-colored glasses of American Exceptionalism can let one see the world this way.
If you look at Eichenwald’s book you may notice that in the index the word “Neocon” does not appear. Nor, to pick a name at random, does John Bolton. What, I wonder, is the point of a book about “secrets and lies in the terror wars” if it doesn’t address who pushed hardest for war? What, to put it bluntly, is Eichenwald’s agenda?
This book only deserves to be read if a reviewer wants to rip it to shreds. But that’s just my opinion, and I may well be wrong…
Yes. I was exaggerating a bit for effect.
one of the posters here Watertiger gave me the same ration of shit
I wonder if it mentions “team b” the fake cia contructed by cheney and rumsfeld (cheney was the underling back then)
Lessee…
15 Saudis
3 Yemenis
1 Egyptian
0 Iraqis…
Wasn’t that the scorecard?
And 100,000-plus dead Iraqis later (None of whom had jackshit to do with 9-11…and counting, in the factional violence…) when is THEIR memorial day?
Over half of those guys are alive.
Want easily understandable and undeniable proof that the war in Iraq was a put up job?
Remember the invasion, when our troops kept finding enormous weapons dumps? They would surround and guard them for a few days, then, explaining that the invasion left insufficient troops to guard them, simply move on, leaving these concentrations of weapons and high explosives to be looted by the population at large, providing plenty of weapons for the future “insurgency”.
Lemme see now. You are a US commander in the process of conquering and pacifying an enemy country. You encounter a large store of arms that you haven’t the means to guard and would really prefer not to be used on yourself and your troops in days to come. So what do you do?
A) Ignore the situation, it’s no big deal.
B) Set up a flea market to sell it all and make a few bucks.
C) Shrug your shoulders and just walk away, leaving it unguarded.
D) BLOW THE DAMNED THING UP!
If you are in the military and even strongly considered A, B, or C, for the good of the country – and the troops you are sworn to protect – you should resign immediately and hire a caretaker – you are too stupid to live.
The same applies to the entire US press corps who never managed to figure this out. Hari Kiri is an option.
Potentially, the US could have acted in any number of ways after 9/11. How the US chose to act tells me something much more important about the meaning of the last decade or so than why planes weren’t scrambled. If 9/11 was a conspiracy/inside job, how the US responded seems to offer greater proof than thermite charges or lack of plane debris in front of the Pentagon.
Or, here is something that I’ve never heard an adequate explanation for. The Official 9/11 Narrative says that OBL perpetrated the attack to draw the US into a protracted, costly war in the Middle East that would eventually break the empire’s back. And so the US obliged?! Supposedly, the most powerful nation on the planet can be helplessly manipulated by a handful of religious yahoos? What story tellers are keeping track of these plot lines?
I remember that. And you are right. Media ignored the whole thing.
Including when those weapons showed up in the civil war that followed U.S. invasion.
No, “Team B” isn’t in the index, either. I tend to read the beginning, the end, and the index of a book before investing in reading the whole thing. With this one, obviously, I didn’t think it worth the effort. A superficial work that runs very much at cross-purposes with most progressive commentary.
The twin goals of the Twin Towers: Imperial hegemony abroad; control of the population at home. While the US doesn’t seem to be doing so well with the former, the latter has been quite successful. US citizens are more easily defeated than the Taliban? Or what conclusions might we draw from this?
Eichenwald is some one’s tool. He’s too much of a bit player to spend any time figuring out whose tool.
“Golstein” Eastasia is always at war with Euraisia
PS: Whatever you may think of our military, they ain’t that stupid. They have a long tradition of not leaving large, unguarded concentrations of munitions to their rear during invasions.
They would only do that under orders – by traitors.
What surprises me is that none of them took matters into their own hands or resigned in protest.
This is the Dems declaring that the statute of limitations has now expired on hiding the conspiracy/fuck-up, using the NYTimes front page to run against Romney with the story.
(What will they do with the floodgates now open at DailyKos?)
I am fond of typing these days that the reason why civilians are in charge of the military is to prevent military adventurism. (again /s if needed).
heir Rumsfeld was definately a sick adventurer
If that sandal fits a cloven hoof and reeks of sulphur, you bet I’ll believe it! After all, that’s the mythical reference of the official story of OBL’s death: The ultimately invincible warrior angels of The Chosen People bound Satan and threw him back down into the abyss from whence he sprung. How anyone can believe a shred of the sanctioned, public version of “The Death of Osama!” is beyond me. I’m quite convinced that Stan Lee and Frank Miller were contracted to write the story.
Where’s the pic?
What you say sounds plausible, but such machinations are beyond my interest and my ability to figure out.
the biggest question I have has not been asked;
the president’s party knew we were under attack while he was in the grade school reading an upside down copy of my pet goat
the ss knows the country is under attack, it knows the president is in a well publicised unprotected area
they leave him there?
they do not get him to an undisclosed and secure location, they leave him in the place he has been well publicised to attend?
this is not plausable
I got the pic embedded in an email, not in a link. My friend also got it in an email which she just forwarded to me. I don’t know where it was originally.
Remember what W said? Something like “I was a pilot. I thought, boy that’s one bad pilot to crash into the tower on a clear day.”
That the script was written in advance, does not mean it was written well, LOL.
Heheh. “Planned” is too explicit for my tastes. “Guided events toward a desired outcome” is probably more accurate. Nevertheless, I’m waiting for the day that we find out the details of how deeply Cheney was involved in 9/11.
Heh, there’s this thing called teh giggle.
The US needs war like God needs the Devil.
you know, till the very moment I hit that link I had my doubts, it is good to know he really did get buried at sea
now can you explain why the bbc is reporting the down building 7 before it happens?
“What surprises me is that none of them took matters into their own hands or resigned in protest.”
As my former company commander informed me in 1991: “I don’t care if the war is about oil or anything else. We are ordered to fight it, and we are going to fight it.”
That they did nothing other than obey orders surprises me not one bit.
The material I spent time reviewing was mostly the science of the event.
One of the films does contain a small section on Cheney, about how he was escorted to a secure location. Implication that he knew more than he revealed. If I remember anything else, I’ll add it to the thread.
Cheney and his BFF, Rumsfeld, were in the continuity of govt during the Ford admin, where they would go camp out under a hill during some sort of war game scenario.
They continued to participate when Cheney was at Halliburton & Rummy was at Searle, which I find creepy as hell. Haven’t tried to track down how that worked.
11 years later.
Oh pshaw, perris. You can use teh giggle just as well as I can. I’m sure there’s plenty of talking points out there on the toobz. :-)
i was watching that day like so many others,and heard them say they had to pull it.but thought nothing of it,not realizing that would take many hrs.im slow on the uptake
On a book salon here I asked Wesley Clark if he were proud of having bombed Serbia. Instead of ignoring my Q or treating it with disdain, he answered politely with the usual talking points.
I have to laugh. He didn’t know me, nor did he know how much I knew, so he took no chances. I didn’t know how much I knew back then either.
they loved it…like sick adolescents,or hitlerYouth types
Yeah, prolly had circle jerks.
My Q is not wrt their desire to participate, but rather how was it that the USG allowed them to participate when they were not in the govt. That’s the sinister part.
Rummy was more of a tool, IMO, of Wolfie and Perle. What was the name of the secret club at the Pentagon that cooked up “actionable intelligence”? Office of Special Plans? Special Plans, indeed…
the name was “team b”
Yeah, and the fact that it was ignored underscores it. Proved over and over again.
well,who owns the gubmint???? the corporates,and their tools…see J.Roberts supreme ct.head judger
i feel it was the opposite,it could be a case of the blind leading the blind ,however
Yes. 11 years later, albeit some of us were thinking some of that already on 9/11/2001. None dare speak it out loud back then. How long can we speak it these days remains to be seen. Enjoy telling the truth “out loud” for now; may not be “do-able” in the future. Hard to say…
The funniest thing I saw yesterday in reviewing 9/11 material is toward the end of a movie. Faux hacks are “interviewing” a U.Wisc prof of Islam, who covers current controversies as well as the usual basics in his intro course. He was well prepped for Faux, so he does the talkover thing really well. They call him a nutcase and unsuitable for having young minds exposed to his crazy conspiracy theories. He retorts that they’re the ones who are crazy to believe that 19 Muslims, directed by a man living in a cave in Afghanistan, could have pulled it off.
Those taking the lead – and we can argue who they were, but certainly Cheney was amongst the leaders of the pack – were certainly not blind. Those being led around by the nose – and almost certainly W was one – were either willfully or stupidly or ignorantly blind.
Yes, and ain’t that just the thing??
My rightwing fundie family gets their collective knickers in a giant WAD over those 19 Muslims being directed from a frickin’ cave. When I point this salient & true fact to them, they start gibbering just like Glenn Beck. It’s no wonder that they related so well to Palin’s word salad bc there’s NO WAY that you can “believe” this bullshit was all the result of 19 Muslims directed from a cave.
Of course, though, we are forgetting that it was *really* SADDAM who was behind it all… when in fact, those who were collaborating with the Bush Crime Syndicate were the Saudi’s… to whom BOTH W and Obama bowed deep and LOW. You can judge for yourselves who’s the BOSS from those photos.
One could point out that there were those who argued that such a scheme had to have state sponsorship. They turned out to be accurate. Of course, they put their finger on the wrong state.
Yep. Saudi’s, always the Saudi’s. Most of ME friends do NOT trust the Saudi’s….
It always turns out to be worse than we imagine, even as we become less and less naive. I am astonished and not. Who needs conspiracies? The truth is bad enough.
Revelations like this, in the NYTimes and being picked up quickly as a key part of the story that it seems people have been *waiting* for … these revelations always make me wonder how much worse is the truth of what we *think* we know today?
How much worse is today than we know or can even guess?
One later comment about 9/11 was that, despite the utter shock of witnessing the towers go down, was witnessing how citizens reacted to it out on the “left” coast. The amount of citizens who *immediately* jumped up and ran around with flags ‘n shit was, uh, quite something else.
In some ways, the reactions of citizens chilled me almost more than the plane crashes themselves. I saw citizens ready to be manipulated by their wilfull “patriotism.” Too bad I wasn’t wrong…
Yes. How long before the curtain is drawn back on the Saudi connections part of this story? Maybe as the NYTimes column shows, people know things that they are finally able to start admitting.
I might add that my Syrian-American friends are informing me that it’s Saudi, not Israel, who will be the “decider” as to whether there is WAR, Inc on Iran. Just repeating gossip that I hear… no links.
Hi peeps. No doubt I ‘ll regret it, but…by coincidence, on 9/11/2001, I was temping at anengineering firm. The firm ‘s specialty was…explosions damaging and destroying buildings. They do investigations and give expert testimony on the subject all over the world. Yes , really.
Iw watched the 2nd plane and the collapses with these engineers. They were shocked but not astonished. Over the next week severalnexplained to me how it happened. It was not impossi le nor implausible. After 11;years I can ‘t repeat the explanations, bu whatever else might be true or false about that day, I don’t buy into the theory that what happened could not have occurred as said.
Plenty else mmight be worty of doubt, but not the collapse of the buildings. Can we go on to something else after all these years, please?
Well said.
There have been no less than 2 one-hour documentary pieces that I’ve seen detailing how, structurally, the buildings were compromised and collapsed. Engineers have explained the entire scenario, including the intricate details of building materials, construction methods, burning and melting points, combustion points, etc.
I can buy into all sorts of planning, negligence, warmongering, etc., theories. What I don’t buy is that those buildings were demolished. The planes hit them, jet fuel burned hot enough to melt damaged steel central supports, the upper floors collapsed, the weight collapsed the lower floors.
I don’t know a darn thing about Building 7, and frankly I don’t care. Whether our government planned the attack, allowed the attack to happen, or simply neglected to act on actionable intelligence; none of that matters. It was our government’s fault, one way or the other. What matters it that we’ve used that day as an excuse for everything shitty that our country has done in the world over the last 11 years.
Yes, I found the chauvinism after 9/11 to be utterly disgusting.
The USG failed to do the only thing they are required to do, protect the country, and alla sudden everyone’s flying flags? WTF?
I refused to fly a U.S. flag after that.
Cheney should tried convicted and hung for war crimes. The look on Bush’s face said it all, in the classroom.
“I got played by Cheney?”
Cheney has a history of stove-piping /fabrication all the way back to Reagan. Reagan did not trust Cheney’s corpo- con-job neo-fascist agenda.
Fuck the irresponsible corporate aristocrats protecting rapist’s business models, under guise of protecting America? Hitler claimed to protect German and the German people. Hitler was a fraud. Cheney is a fraud in need of a scaffold, a hood and a noose around his effen neck? Justice requires it, but “fascists” will thwart any attempt to hold fascist criminals in America accountable for their actions collectively or individually,in a manner consistent with the way America and the Allies held Europe’s fascist scum accountable for dysfunctional myopic self interest manifest in atrocities called, War Crimes?
“You give Bin Laden too much credit. He could not do all these things like the 1993 attack on New York, not without a state sponsor.” (quote attributed to Wolfowitz in Richard Clarke’s book).
Saudi Arabia came the closest to being the sole state sponsor of the al Qaeda religious fundamentalist terrorist network…not Iraq or Saddam Hussein. Top Bush administration neocon officials knew this, both before 9/11 and afterward, but this didn’t fit with their obsession to invade Iraq, an invasion meant not only to depose Saddam Hussein (and the Iraqi Baathists) but also to seize Iraq’s oil resources for western oil companies.
Saudi charities funneled money to al Qaeda. Saudi nationals (sent by the Saudi royal family to America supposedly to keep an eye on Saudi students abroad) set up safe houses for many of the 9/11 hijackers as they prepared for the attack. One safe house in San Diego. Another in Sarasota. Were there anymore that we’ve never heard about?
Remember, 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi nationals…no Iraqis. In the days after 9/11, the neocons in the Bush/Cheney administration (while all other planes were grounded) ferried Saudi nationals in the U.S. to staging areas from which they were rushed out of the country. And in the belated 9/11 Commission Report, dozens of pages were blacked out, ones that probably put specific names to the Saudi nationals involved in the 9/11 attacks (not just the hijackers).
The Saudi connection to 9/11 is the missing link, one that the neocon Republicans in the Bush/Cheney worked hard to keep hidden.
How come those were the only 3 towers ever to collapse on account of fire.
Thanks Kris. Agree with your last sentence, definitely.
And now, back to work!
Nice. Thanks.
I seiously doubt That they were. As I said 11 years have passed ; I dont remember details. But one thing was the unusual way the towers were designed. IIRC, weight borne on outer walls / beams. Also temp
at which jet fuel burns, and the fact of large quantity of fuel, given planes were recently fueled up.
Bbeyond that youll have to ask the engineers.and I bet they ‘re sick of the questionsby now.
My wife and I agreed on the same thing this morning. Whatever one may believe about the lead up to 9/11, or how things went down that morning, this anniversary certainly marks the day that the USG FAILED.
Both have an interest in a weakened Iran. Both have a *very* close relationship with the US. Behind the scenes, I wonder how Israel and House of Saud get along?
I’m a skeptical about *everything.* However, I have heard and read many good arguments (not being an engineer, I cannot say much more) about how & why the towers fell the way they did.
I’m quite willing to let all that go and say: that IS what happened after the planes flew into the towers.
The rest, though??? Up for grabs.
Who knows? Perhaps those who DID engineer everyting had no idea the towers would fall – and just thought the fungible damage would be more localized to citizens in the upper floors?? OR: did they, in fact, know the damage would be so great, and they went for it FOR that reason? The speculations are endless, of course.
At the end of the day, you’re former colleagues are most likely correct. But the rest is, as they say: History.
Yeah. That’s the million dollar question, of course. No idea.
Well I never flew the US flag ever, but I sure as hell wasn’t going to fly it after 9/11.
As stated, USG FAILED in the most basic of ways, yet citizens champ at the bit to hear lots of speechifying about “American Exceptionalism.”
Back to the salt mines, fellow slaves…
The buildings were designed to withstand multiple plane hits. Dya think the engineers thought the planes would be gliders with no fuel?
Jet fuel ignites at a temp around 400 degrees, steel melts at 2800 degrees. The black smoke from the WTC indicates the fire was oxygen starved, therefore burning at a relatively low temp.
Compare the WTC fires with these pics of a skyscraper under construction in Madrid which burned for something like a day & didn’t collapse. Temp was estimated to reach a max of around 1500 degrees.
When private empires control information, we get sold a pile of BS over and over. The truth about JFK became unspeakable or lose your career…or life. 9/11 is the similar w/ more collateral damage. Follow the money in both cases. Who gained or got revenge in 1963? Texas oil HL Hunt/Clint Merchanson Jr., fired CIA officials, war profiteers.. Who gained in 2001? Saudis got rid of arch enemy in Saddam. War profiteers. National oil infrastructure of Iraq is privatized. The 9/11 story stinks to high heaven. Bldg. #7 never mentioned. Big shots “late for work”. Atta seen boarding plane in Portland, but not in Boston. Very little, distant film of plane #2 hitting north tower. etc.etc. You see what drones do. Same techology works w/ 757′s too. Regards.
Don’t forget the “puts” on the airline stock, Silverstein’s terrorism insurance policy. Biggest beneficiary is U.S. MIIC, of course.
Saddam was provoked into invading Kuwait (slant drilling & April Glaspie’s comments) so the Pentagon wouldn’t have to ‘suffer’ a peace dividend.
Nearly a decade after that, Pentagon needed another excuse for bigger budgets, not to mention all the econ interests in the DHS boondoggle, among which is Chertoff’s nude picture, radiation-injection machines that are about to be deployed at bus stations, train stations & random road blocks.
They even published the necessity for it to galvanize the nation for expanding the neocon/neoliberal wet dream of hegemony at PNAC.
A useful correlation here is that the warmongers expect us to believe that if just the right amount of violence is applied to the people of country X, they will overthrow their government and sue for peace. Yet, here we have an example of how people behave in precisely the opposite fashion by not rejecting their government who failed to protect them from an enemy’s violence but by embracing it. The crazier thing is that I think that the war-makers who sell the public this myth about the turncoat weakness of civilians actually believe it themselves (it’s a variation on bombing theory that has been around for the last 100 years).
The WTC towers were full of asbestos when Halliburton acquired them and was therefore liable for the remediation. Cheaper to destroy them, with the added benefits to the MIC and the expansion of the security state.
Nothing personal, it’s just business./s
Yep.
Sometimes ya gotta believe what they say, but only in cases where they say ugly evil things.
That quote could just reflect Wolfowitz inability to think in terms beyond the nation state. The NeoCons are not bright people. They did not get to their positions of power through the soundness of their ideas. They got there through the indefatigable ruthlessness of their sociopathic characters.
That’s just a talking point. It’s one of those backward things they’ve said often enough that people have come to believe it. (One of those reality-creation thingies that actually worked.)
The whole idea of U.S. sponsored terrorism, like in Syria, is to weaken the regime enough so that it topples without full scale military assault, or to weaken it up with sanctions, like Saddam Hussein, so that it is a pushover when the invasion is launched.
Meanwhile U.S. claims it’s doing all that evil in the interest of the people of the country.
IMVHO, it doesn’t matter one bit if the towers were melted into rubble by the heat of burning jet fuel or if they came down with the help of strategically installed demolition equipment (although that would be *to the credit of the plotters and would show intent to minimize casualties and damage of surrounding structures).
What I’d like to know is the real reasons why there was an attack on 9/11, who was involved and at what level in the planning and implementation of the attack, and what justice can be done to the criminals involved.
There will be no justice. Sad to say.
163, 164, 167 come as close as you’ll get to the who & the why.
As for justice, surely you jest…
From my perspective and with the assumption that Cheney, PNAC, etc. wanted to 1. Consolidate global political power; 2. Consolidate domestic political power; and 3. Consolidate wealth through private enterprises owned by the plotters from the GWOT.
Jet fuel
Fire Proofing blown off steel
Weight of building above fire
There are none so blind…
But but but, the smoke, dust, debris is complete safe.
Sadly, I do not jest. I would very much like to see some justice, not that I expect any.
Can’t even get diseases of first responders paid for.
And whatever happened to the $20 billion NYC was supposed to get from USG. I don’t recall seeing accounting of how much was received & what it was spent on.
Can’t even get justice in the simplest aspects of 9/11.
There is an organization Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth with several hundred members, I believe.
Thank you to the EPA and Christie Todd Whitman for propagating those lies. The govt. finally admitted that this incident caused the cancers that have plagued the responders, but failed to increase the funds to compensate for their health care.
Give it a rest. Your ignorance is showing.
I have heard about that, but, well, people can be bought off.
That said, I’m willing to concede that most likely the Towers fell after the crashes. Were they crashed by planes or drones? Who knows. Where the towers built poorly or had asbestos, so nice to get rid of them? Who knows.
Fact is, there’s a TON going on behind the scenes. I agree with others that getting hung up about whether the towers happened to topple by force of impact/fire – or was there some other engineering feat involved? – just muddies the situation.
this is really a distraction from the overall picture.
thanks for your info.
Corporate fascism with no borders like Doctors without borders. Doctors take oath to preserve life. Fascist profit at life’s expense. Protect them slaveholder Congress?
The First Responders – after those who lost their lives, of course – were really screwed by 9/11. And almost NO ONE thinks about them anymore or gives a shit. So sad, really. But hey, Team USA, FUCK YEAH!
It’s a bit more than a talking point, although presented on the TV it has that appearance. The negative effect of violence on the moral of the citizenry is a more general application of the bombing theories promulgated by the likes of Giulion Douhet, Hugh Trenchard, Curtis LeMay, et al. The added appeal for the war-mongers–this is my suggestion outside of empirical evidence–is that this theory about the inherent weakness of civilians validates their superior status as warriors, which is why I think many of them tend to believe that it is a valid theory despite a century of evidence to the contrary. Their identity is wrapped up in it.
I’m actually with you (and your ilk ;) ) on this one. Engineers have proved that the collapse was not only feasible, but exactly what would be expected given the conditions and materials involved.
Sorry about yesterday, by the way. I was being an ass. A total ass.
no lie was off bounds,babies thrown out of incubators…ALL outrageous lies
so true,not smart at all,just willing to say and do anthing for money like Limpballs and Beck
Still…I would loourve to see Cheney in chains, and I believe it would give the entire world a nice kumbaya moment.
Critical reasoning skills where not employed by slave-owners “blinded,” by myopic self interest. Greed!
Blinded by Greed? Go pay homage to Mammon…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
“Mammon is a term derived from the Christian Bible used to describe material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity, and sometimes included in the seven princes of Hell.”
oh my
Italian Supreme Court head calls for international 9/11 inquiry
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Fernando Imposimato, the President of the Italian Supreme Court, has raised the call for a criminal investigation of 9/11, comparing the terror attacks to the declassified “false flag” incidents carried out by the CIA in Italy under Operation Gladio.
“The 9/11 attacks were a global state terror operation permitted by the administration of
the USA, which had foreknowledge of the operation yet remained intentionally unresponsive in order to make war against Afghanistan and Iraq,” Imposimato declared in a letter published on Monday by the Journal of 9/11 Studies.
As a former state prosecutor, Imposimato has extensive experience investigating high-profile crimes, including the kidnapping and assassination of Italian Prime Minster Aldo Moro and the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II. He also worked on the Anti-Mafia commission as a Senator, giving him a wealth of knowledge on the inner workings of organized crime syndicates.
Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332580#ixzz26BssCgv3
They tried to warn us.
Known Foreign Intelligence warnings in the months leading up to the attacks.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/foreignwarnings.html
How could anyone NOT step up airport security in the face of so many warnings and SO MUCH intel?
Uh, because they WANTED it to happen??? Because they PLANNED for it to happen???
yes
Interesting. That man should be careful. Thanks for the link.
Heh. That should be a diary, sadlyyes…
Italians have not forgotten Benito, or false flag operations. Meanwhile America watches media’s garbage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Building 7..
http://rememberbuilding7.org/
What’s a little more state sponsored terrorism coming from the US these days. SOP?
The interesting part is that a man of his stature would say it outloud.
Diplospeak requires that no one point out the empire’s lack of clothes.
That wasn’t surprise, that was an “Oh shit, that thing I was ignoring just blew up in my face.” look.
Future historians, if they have the chance, will need to examine why and how these criminals didn’t spend the rest of their lives in prison.
From commies under your bed to AQ under your bead?
From the Red Scare to the Muslim scare…….
Same old song and dance as they say…..
Imposimato has character and credibility the fascist pig Cheney will never have, except among his like minded ne corpo-fascists neocon-artists?.
America brainwashed.
I’ve typed it several times, but more people are killed by dogs each year than terriss. Therefore we should change the saying to “terriss are man’s best friend.” Make Napalitano Dog Catcher in Chief.
America brainwashed, as where many Germans. Until the Germans saw the horror of the policies their silence enabled. No silent American here. Cheney should swing in the wind as did Nazi bastards, after trial and conviction.
A Nazi false flag op brought to light by War Crimes Trials?
Maybe the Italian Judge’s instincts are wrong?
Doubt it? But why not have at it, to prove US all wrong?
Can’t have that, because it would confirm instinct.
An independent trier of fact is an illusion in America as it relates to Cheney’s fabrication, abuse of power and obvious war crimes. Right out of the Fascist’s handbook, by most objective standards! YES!
This reminds me of when CBS reported that the FBI told Ashcroft to stop flying on commercial flights.
I suspect that the neocons’s assessment of Al Qaeda and Iraq did not come about in a vacuum.
All of the neo-cons, Democratic and Republican, were (and are) beholden, to varying degrees, to the Saudi monarchy. The Shrub’s finances were entirely dependent on Saudi largesse. The senior Bush (GHW), Rumsfeld, and others were dependent via the Carlisle Group, various weapons suppliers, oil contracts, etc.
So the Saudis–the main patrons of Al Qaeda and of the latter’s host states (Pakistan, Sudan, Taliban-era Afghanistan)–were in a position to shape U.S. security policy.
And what was that policy? Iran/Shiism and secular pseudo-socialism/Baathism/republicanism were perceived as the Big Threats, not the radical Sunnism that is the Saudi monarchy’s sole claim to legitimacy. So the U.S. let all Saudis leave the country during the no-fly ban even though it was clear that wealthy Saudis supplied the money for the attacks.
The Saudis were our allies, after all. They helped out the sainted Ronald Regan and bankrolled Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and the Contras when our CIA couldn’t. Their Ambassador played golf and shot stuff with the Shrub. So never mind that the ambassador’s wife sent a regular stipends to some of the 9/11 hijackers. We don’t question our friends’ motives or actions, unless those “friends” are French and happen to be disagreeing with us.
Arguably, the above hasn’t changed. Obama is at least as Saudi-friendly as Bush or Reagan–just note how he bends over backward to give the Pakistani military cover when it at once facilitates guerilla attacks on U.S. troops and expresses outrage over dronicides it colludes in. We’ve been sold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Rejected by Kennedy. Embraced by Cheney decades later? How ignorant can people be?
Sorry.
Between you, eCAHN, onitgoes, and others, I didn’t think too much of it yesterday during the discussion, but as I was watching one of the specials on The History Channel last night I started getting sick.
You all generally seem like real smart people. I suspect you could assign a percentage of probable truth to the official record, and to each conspiracy theory that comes along. The fact that you choose to sit on the sidelines and discuss your wet dreams about what could have happened, poking each other and giggling about 3000 dead people, shows an utter debasement that I’d prefer not to be involved with.
Hopefully we can still debate SS and Medicare and healthcare and other things, but after watching video of the tragedy again last night I can’t stomach this argument.
You seem to have the intelligence required to “connect the dots” and discern the pattern of oppression/suppression being imposed by the sociopaths running this country, to the detriment of the majority.
Living in their manufactured reality doesn’t appeal to me, but if you choose to rely on The History Channel for anything other than propaganda, it’s your choice to live in denial of the facts.