Given the mysteries of the Benghazi attacks on the US consulate (not an embassy, and not an entity that was guarded by Marines, apparently), I’m going to step lightly before attributing any Middle East incident to anything else in a direct through-line. But we do know that riots/protests/attacks are proliferating. Today they have spread to the US Embassy in Yemen and possibly Iran.
News reports also spoke of a separate protest in Tehran, where around 500 Iranians chanting “Death to America” tried to converge on the Swiss Embassy, which handles United States interests in the absence of formal diplomatic relations with Washington. Hundreds of police officers held the crowds back from the diplomatic compound, witnesses said.
For a third straight day at the American Embassy in Cairo, protesters scuffled with police firing tear gas, witnesses said, and the state news agency reported that 13 people were injured. In Iraq, a militant Shiite group, Asaib Ahl al-Haq, once known for its violent attacks on Americans and other Westerners, reportedly said the video “will put all American interests in danger.” Protests were also reported at American missions in Morocco, Sudan and Tunisia, where the police also fired tear gas to disperse crowds.
In Sana, the capital of Yemen, witnesses said government security forces tried to disperse a crowd at the fortified American Embassy compound in the eastern part of the city. But protesters succeeded in breaking through an outer perimeter protecting the embassy, clambering over a high wall and setting fire to a building.
They were forced to retreat after trying to plunder furniture and computers, the witnesses said.
And don’t expect this to subside for a while; the Muslim Brotherhood has called for a Million Man March after Friday prayers tomorrow.
Maybe this has to do with a badly produced movie. Maybe that’s a pretext for anti-American sentiment bubbling to the surface. Maybe they were pre-planned events waiting for their moment. Maybe they were copycat attacks pushed by anti-American elements inside the respective countries. Maybe the high price of food is leading to riots that have gravitated toward the global version of the 1%. I honestly don’t know.
I do know that this is a dangerous time for Americans in these Arab capitals, despite being fed a line that we are more respected around the world. In fact, our actions in the uprising countries have not been entirely noble, and especially in a country like Yemen, which we’ve littered with drone attacks for the past several months. Of course, our foreign policy apparatus will act like the world began yesterday, ignoring the long history leading up to these attacks, and will seek to retaliate. The President talked yesterday of “justice.” The New York Times reports that Marines and naval vessels are on their way to Libya. A reporter yelled out at yesterday’s press conference whether this was an act of war.
Once those war drums start to beat, things become unpredictable. Obviously there are political overtones to this crisis, coming less than 60 days before a Presidential election. But there ought to be geopolitical overtones as well. Maybe our foreign policy isn’t as virtuous as people in Washington seem to think. Maybe there hasn’t been a 180 from the Bush years. Maybe we actually don’t know what we’re doing in this part of the world.
OK, I’ll erase the maybe on that one.
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“maybe there hasn’t been a 180 from the Bush years…”
Ya think, David? :o)
Could America’s drone strikes at civilians have anything to do with this? Naah, couldn’t be.
Yes, if our foreign policy is virtuous, we’ll never have any enemies around the world any more.
Ya mean these dusky rag-heads don’t appreciate Team USA’s kinetic military actions & drones?? Ya don’t say… why how very ungrateful.
Mentally snapping my fingers: now what is it about chickens & coming home to roosts???
All those pretty words in Cairo in 2009 were for naught.
Indeed.
Not to mention the US was on the wrong side of revolution in two of hose three countries and decided to bomb the hell out of civilians the third to remove its dictator.
I think we face a dilemma. There is no doubt a part of the ME wants to destroy us and they have wanted to do so for (I think) decades. We could pull out and let them be and then risk more strikes against us here in the US. Or, we can engage them and try to defeat them with boots on the ground or drones or by diplomacy or some combination. Either way this is no easy choice and the outcome is by no means certain.
Geeeez people. Come up with something new. You been beating that dead horse for 30 friggin years.
OTOH….If I may…..I think we’ve done a complete 360.
If I may paraphrase?……..we be in a heap o’ trouble.
pretty much. as it turns out.
I knew we were in for it when Oilybummer bowed so deep to Saudi King Abdullah . Whether US citizens like it or not, WE are “in deep” to the Saudi’s who are pulling the strings.
Obama’s speechifying in Egypt meant as much as his speechifying here in Team USA: pretty words to sooth the serfs.
ysd….you’re righ as usual. We made a few mistakes. Problem is, that John Wayne diplomacy used to work. I’m sure Obama has learned from our mistakes.
What?
The world hated the British Empire until the Crown scaled back it’s empirical actions.
Maybe there’s a lesson to be learned there…
Agreed. See my #11.
Fucking Christian salafists got exactly what they wanted making their anti- Muslim POS film to help bring o Armageddon. ’cause that’s really what this is about… The crayzee ass religious neocons are using the fucking film to start a war between the US/Israel and everyone else in the ME.
Who *really* runs foreign policy in this country? Fucking neocon salafists.
(fucking auto correct insists on “salad fists” is correct, not salafists.)
All of this. I think we’ve probably made a lot more enemies in the region through the drone wars, since it has taken the war to more countries and killed many civilians (esp. women and children) in what can reasonably be viewed as random acts of violence against the populace.
I don’t know about that. Pretty steep learning curve for American political leaders based on 236 years of making the same mistakes over and over again.
Ho ho.
Gee, I wonder what horn USreal will choose, comrade? /s
Maybe they can flash back to the foundation of this country. Ya know, those pesky colonists rebelling against an Empirical government that was reaching across an ocean to dictate policy and politics…
“Fucking Kwistian Salafists” seem to have a lot of mercenary experience.
Even if we had, it would have been only for the last four years.
The Iranians nursed a grudge from 1953 to 1979, with plenty of reinforcement coming from us and “our” Shah during that interim.
I think if we could leave the ME entirely, and quit interfering, it would still take generations for the populace to calm down, recover, and evolve to a benign stance toward us. The bile gets passed down from parents to kids seemingly forever in that part of the world.
This is a very st — ah, I’m sure that was going to be classed as a personal attack, so I will try a different ‘tack’, in order to persuade you, bluedot12, that your comments are far from true, based as they are on the premise that ‘a part of the ME wants to destroy us.’
I suppose any offense or offensive action can be and possibly will be taken on the grounds that ‘a part of so-and-so wants to destroy us.’ But if we ourselves have in so many ways exacerbated the wounds (actual and imaginary) and enlarged that segment of the population into a majority – I am trying to enlarge the field of examination here, what we see happening in the Middle East now is also happening here at home. People just plain don’t like ‘us’ any longer, and ‘us’ is the United States government, not the people.
‘We’ don’t own the world. And ‘we’ should never have pretended that we did. Honorable people trying to do good things will be swept up into policies not of their making and the sad thing is, they will be destroyed, not the ‘us’ who is responsible. We saw it happen to the UN early in Iraq invasion days, and now it is happening with other vulnerable and exposed extremities of power. This is what you get when bombs replace diplomacy.
And to go back to your comment, bluedot12, why don’t we try ‘pulling out’ and see if maybe the wound heals? Thorns fester, you know, and the solution isn’t to go roll in a cactus bed.
Let’s call it a New Beginning™ with the U.S. moving its focus from Cairo to . . .Tripoli — a further sign of empire fatigue.
What’s the logic here? What makes you think “they” would want to strike the U.S. if we weren’t a domineering presence in the ME/Asia/Africa?
“I think we’ve done a complete 360.”
Which means we’re right back to square one. (Although, it’s hard to make a case, that from the preznintial-hand-on-the-Bible-moment, we ever left it…)
‘scusa, please. Replied to the wrong post, Onit…
“…the outcome is by no means certain…”
You mean, we didn’t win in Iraq?
You probably have some evidence of this? Iranian warships in the Gulf of Mexico perhaps? Iraqi military bases in Canada and Mexico? Lebanese drones overflying Los Angeles?
The fact is that the U.S. has been busy destroying Iraq (sanctions and invasion) and Iran (sanctions) when these countries, to name two, haven’t threatened the U.S. in any way.
Agreed. You said it better, ksix.
They sure have harsh movie critics in the ME.
I know there are some wise heads in Washington, but not one of them seems to have any influence or power.
lol… you win! not to make light of a serious situation, but…
Way to trivialize the issues, there.
Thank you for a good response.
Indeed, Team USA FUCK YOU UP is just some kind of “sitting duck” for terrrisss because of our benign freedumbs that we are inflicting on dusky mooslinz, who are so ungrateful.
When do US citizens finally “get” that USA militaristic imperialism doesn’t really sit too well when we ruthlessly & aggressively invade other nations, kill & maim innocent civilians & destroy their property, mainly in order to steal their resources?
“The bile gets passed down…seemingly forever in that part of the world…”
Yeah, invading another country based on lies, hubris, and bullshit, and killing a few hundred thousand of it’s citizens (who had jackshit to do with 9-11…) tends to do that.
I don’t get it, it’s like people in these other countries don’t want to obey the U.S. Constitution!
You may remember al Queda tried to destroy the twin towers in the early 90s.
I sort of said that, I think. Takes two to tango.
Agree 100%.
I think they hgave coffee shops named “Death to America” all over the place like we have Starbucks.
Ps you can google it. For a more complete list.
I checked with Vegas.
They ruled that a “tie”. Everybody lost money.
That WAS funny. I did feel bad while I was laughing.
Boy, we sure do like to beat up on ourselves over here, don’t we? It’s like we all have catholic upbringing or something. Yes, I know the US hasn’t been lily-white and pure of heart and action. Yes, I know we aren’t universally loved.
But isn’t Islam supposed to be the Religion of Peace? When exactly are the
ME followers of the prophet supposed to grow up and learn to control their own emotions (and erections) instead of blaming them on other people?
American imperialism disgusts me. However, so does Islamic hysterical-ism.
Lotta that goin’ around……………even here.
I don’t think we have really “won” anywhere, but then some will disagree. I mean we have been in Afpak for eleven years, ? Then therss Yemen and somalia and Iraq may be closer to Iran than to us and do you suppose Iran is a friend?
This administration has made us less safe, and in general are marching us down the road of dictatorship, since if these matters worsen and the military avenue is pursued as David reports in his post, we are going to see ramifications here at home – not on the order of outside aggression, but as an excuse to further reign in people power, legitimate protest, alternative party voices in this country. It is very possible this kind of effort will be made, as already Romney seems anxious to destabilize the electoral campaign. I hope very much it is not attempted; but the trenches in which they march are now so deep, no longer can they, if they ever could before, see the stars or smell the rain.
Yay, good!
I think there is some truth to that. Seems bombs dontt work and they don’t like the way we smile.
Yes and the beat goes on. So who wins?
Eeeek! A moran.
A Spotted Moran?
Well, something like: EEEK, I SPOT a moran!
But let’s not have hysterical erections because of it, only serious erections, if you please.
A Merkin Moran.
Aren’t those migrating to Florida and Arizona this time of year?
Hehe. You said erection. Twice.
heh heh… I know: erection erection! heh heh
I think we need to find a way to “mellow” those people in the ME out. They’re pretty hung up on this religion thing. Doeds any other religion eveh have the word “infidel” in its lexicon????
What could we do????? They all smoke. Maybe there’s something they could smoke that would loosen them A-rabs up some. Givet them a brighter look on life.
We are sending Marines to Tripoli so i guess history does repeat itself or maybe it just rhymes like the Marine Hymn.
How many times are we going to have to invade these malcontents to show them what Amerikan Right and Freedom mean?
I think they’re due to be on the endangered species list soon. I think we’ll still see a lot of stuffed ones, though.
I only wish I knew where this is going.
I wonder how the French, Italians, and Brits have kept relatively immune — they’ve done some of their own meddling in the ME, and recently, too. Certainly France left nasty footprints there for decades.
Dood, we’re payin’ to dig up their prophets’ crypts. And a weed for oil program? Wouldn’t that mess with the domestic economy?
Besides, Air America has got to carry something back on the return trips.
Yes, but in various ways, the British, French & Italians have also payed varieous prices for their colonialism. So they are not immune, either.
Team USA has been pretty heavy-handed all along, but esp lately with the drones ‘n all. US citizens choose to remain in denial about how bad it’s been for the average citizen in these countries and line up to drink the KOOL AID that they “hate us for our freedumbs.”
Well, in a word: NO. They hate us because we KILL them. Why how strange of them to feel that way…
insert reply here about getting stuffed…
Fucking French wingnuts almost assassinated De Gaulle because he pulled out of Algeria. Our domestic terrorists did …
See the difference?
Well, just to play Devil’s advocate, fucking US wingnut domestic terrorists assassinated JFK because he refused to invade Cuba…. so there IS that.
Dear devil, that was my implication. And then we went to ‘nam.
Maybe we could stop with those drones for a bit, ya know? It must get a little annoying to wake up every day with that thing flying around overhead. Never know when they gonna take you on a free ride to heaven.
Maybe they just like going after the big dog? anyway we got some idiots in this country too making films and saying shit. Tends to piss people off. but, yes, I have no idea where this ends up.
Comrade, they are professional idiots. They will persist cause it’s lucre-tive. I bet you can pretty well imagine where this ends up.
Without implying anything (I really don’t know), I would note the weird circumstances of the anti-Islam movie with reference to your comment.
Good point. The “drone issue” probably isn’t playing very well down at the Oasis on Friday “pick your own camel” nights.
FWIW. the drone shit was the last straw for me with Obama. When Panetta said we were killing “suspected terrorists” and, accordingly, anyone standing within 50 yards of said “suspects”, Obama lost my vote.