The hidden camera moment of this election cycle comes not from the long-awaited Michelle Obama Whitey tape, but from a fundraiser for the Republican nominee.
Mother Jones’ David Corn has obtained video – catnip for 24-hour news networks – of Romney speaking at a gathering of high-dollar donors, wherein he gave his strategy for the election. In so doing, he basically describe everyone disinclined to vote for him as a moocher living off the government dole.
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean the President starts off with 48, 49, he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn’t connect. So he’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince is the five to ten percent in the center that are independents. That are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not…
Mother Jones actually made quite a few clips of this talk available, and promises more throughout the week. Romney told the crowd that had his father “been born of Mexican parents, I’d have a better shot of winning this.” He acknowledged that he was “born with a silver spoon, which is the greatest gift you can have: which is to get born in America,” which is actually a tacit acknowledgment that something more than hard work, specifically random circumstances of birth, plays a role in the relative success or failure of individuals. Romney boasted that some of his consultants also worked for Benjamin Netanyahu, as if to impress the big-money crowd. Previewing his resistance to describing what he would do if elected, he told the supporters, “discussion on a whole series of important topics typically doesn’t win elections.” He added that markets will rise if the public believes he will win and fall if they think President Obama will win.
But the highlighted comments will draw the most scrutiny. Greg Sargent believes that Romney conflated an electoral argument, about how there are only a narrow set of persuadable voters in the middle of the electorate, with a well-worn argument on the right about how 47% of all Americans don’t pay income tax. He’s right, but that argument has been long conflated by the conservative right. They seem to truly believe that the only people who would not recognize their brilliance must live off the federal teat, must want government to provide for their every need. Liberals are reliant, conservatives are self-reliant. Period. Intellectual conservative leader Rush Limbaugh just the other day said that Obama placed more people on welfare rolls in a deliberate strategy to turn out their grateful votes.
It should be stated that the idea that 47% of Americans pay no income tax is not true. It’s exaggerated by various tax rebates from the economic downturn, and it doesn’t take into account the wide range of taxes Americans do pay, including sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes, local taxes, excise taxes, etc. Heck, buying absolutely anything produced by a corporation means that you’re paying some percentage of their corporate taxes. In addition, the statistic that 47% of Americans pay no income tax is completely misleading, considering how many Americans draw no income – the retired, for example, or children, or the unemployed.
But it’s also a terrible statistic to overlay onto a theory about voting. Because the poor, the most likely subset of those who “pay no income tax” thanks to rebates like the Earned Income Tax Credit, vote in lower numbers than their more wealthy counterparts. Welfare programs and those that serve the poor are consistently among those most threatened by cutbacks, precisely because they don’t have the power of millions of voters who champion those causes, nor do they have the financial muscle that animates so much of our politics. So the entire theory is wrong.
The other part of this is that everyone is “dependent upon government.” In fact, that was the point behind the awkwardly phrased “you didn’t build that” passage. We depend on government for roads and water pipelines and electricity infrastructure and law enforcement personnel and a whole host of other pieces. We also pay for those elements, and we entrust those we hire to execute it all, so it doesn’t take up too much of our time. That’s a short version of the social contract, and to characterize everyone “reliant” on government as a victim suggests you don’t actually understand it.
I don’t really know what Romney “really” thinks about these issues. He was putting on a show for some rich donors. But we can be fairly sure that these rich people believe in this “All Democrats are moochers” theory of politics, or at least that Republican office-seekers think they will be flattered by such a theory.
Incidentally, the Obama campaign wasted no time responding to this. Campaign Manager Jim Messina said in a statement, “It’s shocking that a candidate for President of the United States would go behind closed doors and declare to a group of wealthy donors that half the American people view themselves as ‘victims,’ entitled to handouts, and are unwilling to take ‘personal responsibility’ for their lives. It’s hard to serve as president for all Americans when you’ve disdainfully written off half the nation.”




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I don’t understand. Why is Romney talking about Jamie Dimon here?
Isn’t this part of the video in which he bragged about helping Chinese workers who were kept behind barbed wire by keeping them behind barbed wire, to protect them from other Chinese who wanted to break into the slave camp? Or something like that.
And MoJo and David Corn claim they’re going to roll out more juicy stuff.
The only thing saving Romney from his last gaffe these days is his next gaffe.
Pathetic.
At least the Republicans are more forthright about their prejudices than they have been in previous elections. It’s clear that they would like to limit voting rights to white, property-owning males.
He doesn’t want the public to get tired of his wife Ann by over-exposing her during the campaign. I think one exposure was one too many.
Government should do nothing except wage war on behalf of the wealthy. The police should protect the interests of the wealthy. Society should take no action that does not enrich the wealthy. The poors should devote their lives to the support and comfort of the wealthy.
A little long for a bumper sticker, but I think I covered the basics.
And these stupid, lazy, deadbeats, depend on the government to protect their Swiss Bank Accounts and Cayman Tax Shelters.
Romney the moocher should release his taxes to prove he isn’t one of the 47% who pay no federal taxes.
They really are our best weapon.
He is referring to the Banksters, war criminals and criminal speculators on Wall Street, isn’t he?
He must believe in Sarah Palin’s real and unreal Americas.
Now his campaign is doubling down. Run on Willard…
This is helpful to Romney.
Deliberately leaked, I think.
This election is being handed to Obama, the luckiest Presidential candidate in history.
From 1928, Duke Ellington and His Cotton Club Orchestra, complete with banjo:
No, Mitt. See, the people who don’t pay Federal taxes are too POOR to qualify to pay. See how that works? They work, pay State, Sales, Local taxes, but don’t make enough to pay Federal. Like those people whose job you stole and shipped to China, and whose pension you pocketed and hid in Switzerland. A serial tax cheat commenting on taxes is really amazing.
Today, Mitt Romney Lost the Election
Notable not so much for its contents, but that it was published on Bloomberg, a noted hotbed of radical Marxist thought.
His statement may also help to explain why he doesn’t release his tax returns. Holding most of the country in such contempt I wouldn’t doubt he feels that the less he pays the less the moochers get. What’s even more mind numbingly head shaking is that of the 43% that’s on his side most live in states back-stopped by Obama states. Seems he doesn’t like them either. Of course Bush was more honest when he talked to “his base” and didn’t scapegoat the poors and nearly poors.
The states that contributed more in taxes than they got back in spending were more likely to have voted for Obama in 2008 and were more likely to be largely urban. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/11/states-federal-taxes-spending-charts-maps
It may indeed turn out to be a losing message, but it was exactly the message he intended to send. IMHO. But YMMV
I never read the San Antonio Express News. It is more conservative even than most Texas dailies. Today, as I was waiting for my sandwich order to arrive, I glanced through one somebody had left on the table and the headline caught my eye: “How Romney’s Economic Plan Could Cost Seniors”. I didn’t even get to read the first sentence as my sandwich arrived just then but think about that headline by itself: That is an astonishing lead for any conservative newspaper. When you have the Express News pointing out that the Rmoney/Ryan welfare for the rich plan is going to cost regular people money, the wheels are indeed coming off.
Is he including foetus-people and corporation-people to pad that percentage?
I agree. Desperation is setting in. I think they fear funding will totally dry up unless the fight becomes very emotional and divisive.
15 second spot….
“These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax…”
Including the speaker.
And what about Crab People?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ylpvdIMuhI
You know I respect your pov buzz… I don’t see how this helps Willard do anything but get a few more billionaires to shill for him.
What a joke. It’s people in the 1% who are the MOST dependent upon the USG to “protect” them from having to pay any taxes, ever, yet when they need services, they are first to shove their way to the head of the line with their hand out.
What kind of fed taxes does RMoney pay? What kind of state or local taxes does RMoney pay? What kind of Cap Gains taxes does RMoney pay?
One simple answer to those 3 questions is, for sure: WAAAAAAY Less than I do, and WAAAAAAY less than most US citizens do.
Talk about “entitlements.” Talk about “govt dependence”… thy name is Mitt RMoney.
That may be exactly the point. And drive the nuts to the polls.
If Romney is so bothered by people not paying federal taxes, all he would need to do is raise the minimum wage to the point where they did.
I guess we’ll never know…
heh… well to be redundant, I’ve been saying since the beginning of the Kabuki Show entitled “Republican Primary,” the PTB never wanted anyone to win in 2012, except for Obama. Why not? Obama’s in the pockets of Wall St and does their bidding. What’s not to like?
The putative “R Team” is saving up for 2016 whereupon they will unleash yet another BushCo upon us (or similar).
No we’ll never know, but we can all take an educated guess that it’s as I said: waaaay lower than what any of the rest of pay. What little we saw indicated that – somehow – RMoney even managed to pay less than the super-duper low 15% on Cap Gains. Go figure. Do the math. This dude ain’t paying bupkiss if he can get away with it, and I seriously doubt it’s all that “legal” as MittBot2012 likes to claim.
Maybe. IMO if this was leaked and that was it’s intent, it’s just another example of what a horrible, awful, no good campaign he’s been running. In the week after the second debate, Obama’s lead will be approaching double digits. Not because Obama deserves that kind of landslide but because Rmoney clearly isn’t qualified, (or even interested), to be “leader of the free world”.
You’re arguing with the wrong person. “Do the math”? I didn’t fall off the turnip truck yesterday ya know.
Let’s face it. At the end of the day, every citizen is “dependent on the govt” in one fashion or another. This fake Randian crap is becoming ever more annoying.
My comment was rhetorical, as I know you get it. Sorry if it seemed otherwise; not my intention.
I figured as much. Was attempting to be a little playful. Failed miserably.
Why is it always the “Galts” who whine and bitch when the services they refuse to pay for don’t get delivered? Also a rhetorical question and one that there is no rational answer for.
I agree. I always try to look at this stuff through the eyes of the folks who voted for McCain/Palin. Would they agree or disagree with what he is saying in the clips? My guess is that they would agree. Ryan certainly would.
That said, I haven’t seen all of the clips.
Digby: You realize that he’s talking about around a hundred and fifty million people, don’t you? He’s literally saying that nearly half the country is a bunch of parasites. This is not a slip of the tongue. As Greg Sargent explains, it’s just another iteration of his dogwhistling welfare queen campaign:
Yeah, I know that “47″ percent thing gets bandied about a lot, (usually they round up to 50% though), but I’ve been doing my part to educate. The first time someone made that claim, I looked it up. In 2010, almost 47% of adults paid no federal income taxes. Out of those, a little better than 2/3 paid into medicare and SSI but didn’t earn enough/had dependents, a combination of all factors to wind up owing no income taxes when they filed their return. Out of the remaining third, almost half were retired/disabled/etc and had no taxable income. Of the half of that remaining, they were a mixture of long term unemployed, stay at home parents, (with the other parent presumably paying income taxes), people who work under the table, etc. So if we break that down, in 2010, of the 47% of people with a negative federal income tax bill, about 34%, (of the total adult population), were too poor to pay income tax, about 6% were retired and the remaining 7% was split among “all others”, with the “deadbeats” Rmoney is badmouthing being about 1 or 2 percent but EVERYBODY paid sales taxes. There’s some math!
Indeed!
I paid a quick visit to freerepublic – the freepers saw nothing to complain about in the vids. They think he needs to make this stuff front and center in the campaign.
Isn’t Romney’s running mate dependent on government for income, health care and other perks? Aren’t all politicians–D or R–dependent on government? Didn’t Romney make millions being dependent on government bailout money? All take our obligatory taxes. And Mitt won’t show us more of his tax returns. Romney is the fat pot calling the kettle black.
LOL
I think they should too. Let Willard have the third of the country that are wingnuts.
You’d think that with how many times these assholes have stepped on their own peckers that their dicks were six feet long and dragging on the ground.
Maybe it’s just their ineptitude they keep tripping over.
Romney was just saying what many, perhaps most, Republicans actually believe–even the ones in the 47% that don’t pay taxes. They live in a resentful, angry, bigoted fantasy world.
Obama is a Republican mole. That is why Romney is trying so hard to get him re-elected.
I dare say that there are a few votes among that 47% that he would like to have. . . back. Romney skewers himself with fork, declares himself well-done.
Romney is getting sabotaged from the PTB, IMO. First there was the Eastwood speech scheduled just before the prime time acceptance speech, and now a secret tape at a big donor event leaked where Romney insults half of the electorate. I smell Karl Rove & Co. I don’t understand why, exactly, but these things don’t happen to someone funded by Rove unless there is a reason.
From all accounts, the Eastwood speech was 100% Romney’s doing.
One thing that is true in Romney’s speech, though, is that most people won’t be “receptive to our tax message”.
Tax cuts for the wealthy are only really appealing to the wealthy.
And that’s why they hate democracy.
This wanker-loser known as ‘Mitt Romney………..losing to Obysmal’, just makes it easier to vote for Jill Stein.
Mother Jones has More Tales From Hedge Manager Fundraisers. It is not pretty.
Mittens is a business partner with Hedge Fund Fraudster Leder. His Hedge Fund, Sun Capital, is a Minnie Me of Bain, plundering and pillageing.
Well, should this video run from now until the election? Or just alternate weeks?
Can’t wait to see how they walk this back — or spin it beyond belief.
I haven’t read much about the background or circumstances of he Eastwood speech other than a blurb saying Romney shortened his speech and Eastwood was added to fill the time gap. Do you have a link with details about what happened?
Somebody on Romney’s team had to know what a disaster Eastwood was going to be and plugged him in the prime speaking slot.
I hope that Romney’s biggest backers, the Kochs and Adelson, don’t figure this out until after they spend $200 million more of their own money. That gives them less to give to Likud or the Macau triads.
That’s because they’re all Rush-listening Randroids. Rush started pimping the 47% bullshit as part of his “We are the 53%” campaign against the Occupy movement. In other words, the 47%ers are worthless moochers in the Ayn Rand sense, per Limbaugh.
On the contrary, this has got to be upsetting to Karl Rove. He doesn’t want the Kochs and Adelson to turn off the money pipeline to his propaganda shops, not two months early. This is the mother lode of all grifts for him and he doesn’t want it to end now.
I’m betting he’s doing some fast talking right now — perhaps trying to persuade his billionaire patrons that what is needed right now is a big infusion of cash to run a bunch more Crossroads GPS ads in order to smother the Romney gaffe.
Holy crap. In Romney’s presser, Romney says that Obama’s people are government people and his people are “free people.” Sheesh:
http://www.theamericanhuman.com/2012/09/mitt-romneys-word-salad-explanation-for.html
Willard reveals his disdain for anyone perceived to not pay taxes.
Now we know why Willard gets so huffy when Harry Reid says Willard himself hasn’t paid any taxes for the last 10 years. Prolly not s.t. Willard wants out there when hitting up the 1% for cash and Willard uses his half the people are lazy moochers no-taxpayers argument.
Dear Mitt,
I am not going to vote for Obama but just so you know; I am going to vote you or your rotten bought party. Mitt don’t you think it is a bit odd that the same people who complain about Govt help are the same people are who getting govt help?!
Take your insider information and stick it!
I think that was the first time I have ever heard a Republican presidential candidate complain that the government was not collecting enough in taxes.