On the heels of yesterday’s announcement that NATO forces will cease joint patrols with their Afghan counterparts after multiple incidents of Afghan army and police shooting and killing troops, a prominent Republican chairman of the House defense appropriations subcommittee has flipped on the war, saying that the US should now withdraw as soon as possible.
Rep. C.W. “Bill” Young (R-FL), the longest serving member of the House Republican caucus, made the comments to the Tampa Bay Times editorial board.
“I think we should remove ourselves from Afghanistan as quickly as we can,” Young, R-Indian Shores, said during a meeting with the Times editorial board Monday. “I just think we’re killing kids that don’t need to die.” [...]
Young, who has served in Congress since 1970, said he has been a “stay the course” politician since the days of the Vietnam War. But he has also been an advocate for wounded military veterans. He frequently talks of visiting Veterans Administration hospitals to check on their care. He said he came to his new position over the past three months as a result of talking to veterans about what’s happening in Afghanistan.
“It’s a real mess,” he said.
In particular, the death of one constituent, Staff Sgt. Matthew Sitton, prompted the reversal of opinion. Sitton wrote to Young before he died, dishing on a host of problems in Afghanistan. Sitton said that troops were forced to continue patrols after polluted rivers flooded and soaked their uniforms. He said that troops were forced to patrol known minefields on field without being told why. It turns out that Sitton died from stepping on an improvised explosive device.
I don’t know that this is as big a deal as when Jack Murtha flipped on the Iraq war, particularly because Afghanistan isn’t really prominent in the campaign, and Republicans have been muted in their criticisms of the war. If anything the consensus is to stick it out and fight. But behind the scenes, I suspect there are lots of Republicans in Congress like Young, who simply haven’t come out and expressed their opposition. Right now there’s a group of about 10 or so on the Republican side, led by Ron Paul and Walter Jones, who publicly oppose the war. Young gives them a major new voice, especially in his role as a defense appropriator.
This won’t get litigated in the election, as national Republicans think foreign policy begins and ends with Israel. But in 2013, maybe you will see a left-right coalition question the 2014 transition date set by NATO, and what if any residual force will remain in the country after that. I mean, the war only holds 27% support. Dissent from the party line – of both parties – would be quite popular.
We are wrapping up conventional wars as we shift to drones and covert ops, but the old legacy of Afghanistan remains, and just keeps, in the words of Young, killing kids. Maybe more Republicans like him will ask why.




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WOW. One person.
We are truly satisfied with microcrumbs from stale bread.
Pierce had a piece yesterday about getting the F out.
I am going to take a SWAG that it’s more than one person, although we’re not hearing from any of the others just yet.
Very sorry for the loss of Staff Sgt Sitton & condolences to his family and friends.
That said, what Sitton wrote is “news” how? Like who hasn’t KNOWN about this shit since forever? If these Congressfarts *pretend* like this is “new info” that they’re just now “learning,” they are bald-faced liars…. and in other news, the sun rises in the east today.
Seriously? What a load of rubbish. We shouldn’t have ever even BEEN in WAR Inc with Afghanistan, and we should’ve gotten OUT a long time ago.
Cue the massive bullshit Kabuki Show.
Hey we did finally find one GOPer with a brain I for one thought that would never happen.
I would have thought the series of killings would have been the top story monday with indepth analysis. Instead the news just plays that clip of romney over and over.
Cracks are forming even in GOP circles for support of the war it will be harder for Obama to keep support for the war if he can’t point to unwavering GOP support for the war.
now, if we can just find one Democrat in Congress who also opposes the war, we might have the start of a movement…
Well I think they all say they oppose the war but yes when it comes to voting for war funding they all change their minds.
How many? 2? 3? 100?
Bigger than a bread box? Smaller than a house?
I was surprised that the announcement we were ceasing patrols wasn’t made more of: enormous setback, admission of defeat.
When all is said and done I want an accounting. If we set up the Taliban to fight the Soviets, are we ultimately responsible if the ugliest sort of fundamentalism ends up prevailing there? Maybe I miss something, but that seems entirely possible.
You really think they all say they oppose it? Most of them are as gung-ho for the war on brown people as their gooper confreres. Don’t want to be seen as lily-livered, dontcha know.
How Afghanistan ends up is a sunk cost.
To avoid making it worse, the U.S. should just leave, LOL, as if that would ever happen.
I always have to mention that my critter has voted against every supplemental. She’s the best.
The only difference b/t R’s and D’s in D.C. (and only there) is that R’s really don’t care how many people die in their unnecessary wars and the D’s do sort of care how many die in their unnecessary wars.
It’s obvious to me that the GOP “quality control” people are getting sloppy. If ONE sensible person can slip through, then others may follow.
It is my understanding that by 2014 we will have trained over 1 million Afgahns to protect themselve and that a good 40,000 will actually still be in the military to fight the Taliban, until, of course, they defect TO the Taliban and the country returns to Taliban control.
Do I have that right????
We supported the Mujahedeen against the Soviet troops. They were separate from the taliban. In fact, many were Arabs or non-Afghans (see OBL). In fact, the taliban offered to surrender OBL if w could show evidence that OBL was involved in 9/11.
America is always available to defend “freedom” anywhere on the planet.
Especially if there are poor downtrodden victims of despotic dictators and fossill fuels involved.
I commend you, as always, on your incisive analysis.
I need a new program. MY team roster is from 2009.
I have no idea.
Furthermore that is all irrelevant. Afghans will do what they will do.
But your premise is wrong, which is that U.S. will ever leave Afghanistan.
Here’s what I typed at ew
Young is my Congressman. We’ve been fighting his crap for the 30+ years I’ve been here. For the residents of his district this is a big deal. Young has been a very influential voice in the House so, yeah, this is a big deal. Maybe not for those who live in NY but for the locals here, yes.
Et tu NCG. Things are changing for the good. I feel it and am seeing the change mostly in the yoot like my daughter and son. Their BS radar is up and running and I think it is because they do not watch T.V. I still think things will get worse before they get better but we need a vision of what the “better” will be.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen:
Thanks for the report on Donald Young’s fascist apostasy but before I comment on this I would just like to ask: “Why the fuck is this guy still in the House of Representatives??!!” OK, now that that’s off my chest and out of my head, I am concerned that ObamaRahma-Clintonian politics have kept this war and those who created it and profited from it from being central to the political dialectic since 2008. Indeed, I believe that protecting the entire political-industrial war machine from political accountability for the last 4 years is gunna prove more damaging long term than sheltering the bankster profiteers from consequences for their illegality in the crash of 2008. We no longer have a real politics because when the most important responsibilties of representativegovernment which are war and the safety of the citizenry are not allowed to be debated in any meaningful way in the electoral process, then we don’t have anything that resembles a democracy.
So again my question is: why the fuck is this guy (fill in a name) still holding elected office and allowed to run for re-election and when are we gunna start callin’ the politics we do have by it’s real name which is fascism?
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE WAR IS A LONG WAY FROM OVER!!
Agree. Long term plans are set and they don’t include leaving. It used to be that foreign policy paid some mind to the long term interests of the U.S.A. but now it is multi-national Corporate interests that are the overriding “deciders” and those interests are short term FYE to FYE.
Really nice to see you. Was wondering where you were.
Eh? eCAHN!!! Get ready to palm-slap your forehead again. You have *already* forgotten what my trad-dem-voter friend “schooled” me on. To whit: that Team USA is no longer *at WAR Inc* anywhere…
Yes, it’s all about corp interests. Afghanistan has lots of mineral and opium resources, and Team USA Fuck You Up won’t let those outta even their cold dead hands…
Every military action since WWII has been nothing but a series of thick, fat bones thrown to the Pentagon. Ratchet up the cashflow, puff up the patriotic fervor, get a few more thousand guys from Peoria killed and pin those phony medals on their chests while collecting a disgustingly fat pension. The officer class in this country is a disgrace to the country.
But then so are their sycophantic asslickers in politics. Has anyone noticed how the upper echelons of EVERY hierarchical system is infested with me-first scumbags… politics, the military, the courts, you name it. Shit floats.
The concept of the sunk cost is capitalism–and ecological degradation–at its finest. In one of the classic formulations you walk away from something that’s half done because it’s not going to earn out–the world is strewn with such wreckage.
What’s really failing in Afghanistan is our project to make one half of their working class willing to kill the other half to guard their riches. . . for us.
hi, Norske! i’ve missed you, too. ;o)
re afgan, middle east “wars”: i guess every one missed the memo. it’s the navy’s turn for stepped up funding as we’re moving to the Pacific to defend us from the Asians.
the new scary brown people are the scary yellow people and they’re stealing “our corps’ resources” on every continent!
our “small military base” in Australia is just the beginning of our expanded “cold war on terra.”
Haven’t forgotten it, just ‘moving on.’
Afghanistan is a sunk cost from Afghans POV, which is the way I’m trying to look at it.
U.S. has already done the damage you refer to. U.S. will not make things better for Afghans by staying longer & doing more damage.
Agreed.
That’s doublethink, comrade.
Also, if my guess is right in 23, Afghanistan is not a sunk cost from U.S. POV. It’s just one of the many preludes USG is doing to relaunch the cold war.
Switching U.S. military focus to Africa and Pacific is U.S. provoking China.
Again–agreed. Just scratching my head trying to see how anyone felt I inferred that we were getting out in the first place. . . with all those goodies there, coaling station mfrmfrmfr grumble. I’d say “New Cold War” is ancillary to “big mineral and oil booty/control over dwindling supplies of” though.
Like the people of Afghanistan need training to be able to fight and defend themselves. See History.
So corporatist PoS C.W.”Bill” Young had an epiphany in.re. the occupation and subjugation of Afghanistan to benefit the US plutocracy. Sounds like some contractor must have failed to make a scheduled payment.
I think if China has to endure one more diplomatic mission from Hillary Clinton they’ll probably attack us.
I would. I had this very nice clinical psychologist ranting to me at the roller rink while our kids skated last night, making great jokes at Romney’s expense, etc. Then he started to tell me about how he had been a Hillary supporter last go-round, but was happy that Obama had done so well. He had wanted Hillary, he said, because he thought she would come out with “both guns blazing” at the Republicans; he “wanted blood.” I just decided I was going to keep my yap shut and try to make a new friend for my daughter’s sake if nothing else; she adored their kids.
If you leave out the rest of the world–and the failure to help the middle class or poor–Obama DOES have a really pretty smile.
The Obama administration and Congress really care for the welfare of the troops and just can’t come up with an effective policy that would protect them from harm./s
Somehow the choice of not utilizing/sacrificing them in resource wars to benefit corporations isn’t an option.
He gives good rhetoric as well. Makes his brother Bill Clinton and adoptive father G.H.W. Bush proud, and puts his brother Dubya to shame.
Somewhat unsettling to know that a clinical psychologist is mentally challenged to the point where they’d support a sociopathic neo-liberal.
Chinese are too smart for that.
A month or two ago, I read an article comparing U.S. actions in Africa vs. China’s. I didn’t bookmark it so lost to history.
Short version: China buys resources & builds infrastructure. U.S. sends in military & loots resources.
Am aware of China’s policy to build symbiotic relationships with nations in Africa and Latin America, rather than threatening them with sanctions or violence like the US. They’re “eating our lunch” while financing our self destruction. It would be amusing and a source of schadenfreude if we weren’t experiencing it.
Soon Iran will be eating U.S. lunch.
Well, maybe not soon, maybe never.
But Iran certainly has smarter policies than U.S. Here’s what I typed on another thread about that
Iran is certainly an economic powerhouse in the making. Trouble is, like so many of these pesky countries, its elites want the country’s riches for themselves. We’ll just have to police the world for those countries that will continue to have us, and take a much smaller cut for the rent of our legions/centurions/military hardware. The decline of the euro has set back the search for an alternative way to denominate trade, but otherwise we’ve got less and less that they want. That such a state of affairs might lead to a police state back home isn’t hard to see.
Thanks for the info. It’s past time for someone to counter the destructive, imperialism of the West.
I get my info from presstv.ir so it is certainly a propaganda outfit for the govt. I try hard to remain skeptical.
Still, I have to say that presstv is cleverly done. Does not appeal to the LCD (lowest common denominator), covers a greater part of the world, and does well informed specials. I can tell that bc many of them are about the U.S. Topics are chosen to make the U.S. look bad, like police brutality, but as near as I can tell, once they select a topic, the content is not unduly biased. They certainly know more about the U.S. than the U.S. media knows about Iran.
They also have a roster of guests who include conspiracy theorists. That’s one of the few ways to get an alternative opinion on an English language channel. Took me awhile to sort out the various biases of regular guests.
I hear you on keeping econ riches for the Iranian PTB. I have heard elsewhere that Rafsanjani & ayatollahs are incredibly wealthy. You won’t see that on presstv.
They also did a lot more coverage on Occupy than you saw on western corp media. Wistful, like they were hoping it would make a diff.
Finally, the other thing I heard after I typed the above comment is that NAM nations are talking about putting together a TV alternative to corp controlled western media. Now THAT would be a big help. presstv is fine as far as it goes, but is Iranian centered. To have network of networks that cover many more of the NAM countries would be wonderful.
Wow. 1 + 1 = 2. But that’s not enough? You waiting for some flood? The more people hear about more people against this stupid war, your flood will come.
Apparently neither is seeing that they get, and continue to get, first-class medical care for their war injuries. “Wounded warriors” are at the top of everyone’s list until it’s time to pay the bills. PTB are out to gut Tricare along with Medicare and Medicaid.
Flood?
Now I think I might understand the flood reference.
Didn’t god promise no more floods somewhere in the OT.
If I’ve got the analogy right, you’re saying that U.S. will never leave Afghanistan.