The Commonwealth judge asked to further scrutinize the voter ID law in Pennsylvania to determine whether eligible voters can obtain IDs just dropped a huge hint about his expected ruling in the case. Yesterday, the judge, Robert Simpson, asked both counsels what an injunction of the law should look like. This ought to be seen as a precursor to blocking at least some of the law.
At the conclusion of a full day of hearings on the matter, Commonwealth Court Judge Robert Simpson asked attorneys for the state and for the civil rights and voting rights groups challenging the law what each side would include in any injunction he might issue.
“I’m going to ask both sides what the injunction should look like,” Simpson told the attorneys at the end of the first day of what is scheduled to be a two-day re-hearing. “I’m giving you a heads up. I need input from people who have been working on this longer than I have.”
Simpson, who upheld the law in August, called the hearing on orders from the state’s highest court to reconsider his ruling. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court last week told him to decide by October 2 whether voters have “liberal access” to the mandated IDs, and if they don’t, to block the law before the November 6 election.
It seems clear that Simpson cannot find evidence rising to that “liberal access” standard. Pennsylvania delivered a tell when they relaxed requirements for obtaining an ID. Previously it would take two trips to a local Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT) center to get one. Now the state reduced that to just one. They also removed the proof of residence requirement, while keeping the need to provide a Social Security number. This was obviously done to avoid an injunction. The lawyers opposed to the law want it enjoined for the entirety of this election, pending a full trial on the merits in the future. They say that a change to the requirements six weeks before the election is far too late to make a difference.
Incredibly, a spokesman for PennDOT said that only 11,000 voters have obtained the ID so far. Estimates were that 750,000 could be disenfranchised by the law.
Simpson has until next Tuesday to rule in the case, but he indicated at yesterday’s hearing that he would make a ruling as soon as possible, perhaps after another set of hearings tomorrow.
While this may not seem as vital with Pennsylvania slipping away as a swing state in the Presidential election, lots of downballot races would be impacted by the implementation of the voter ID law. And democracy is strengthened by the participation of everyone who wants a chance.






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“And democracy is strengthened by the participation of everyone who wants a chance.”
“Wants” a “chance” for what?
To vote as part of a meaningless ritual?
Democracy requires more, far more, than the act of simply rendering a “vote”, David. Democracy is NOT a spectator sport.
It requires meaningful participation of those who want a chance or a “change”.
Democracy requires, if it is to be actual and meaningful democracy, that candidates actually speak to the real and substantive issues of the day, those “things” which actually affect the lives and well-being of the people.
It requires the day to day engagement of the people in the decisions which affect their lives and well-being, issues like war, whether there is to be pone or not and it requires the “leaders” to raise the issue of war, for example, honestly, openly, and seek the agreement of the people in a reasonable way, for war is NOT reasonable, it is a dire and charged undertaking, indeed it should be the absolutely LAST resort of a civilized and democratic people, it should NOT be the means of wealth and power for an elite few.
In THIS election, neither of the two legacy party candidates will even discuss the wars … the “open” ones, or the “secret” ones …
In this election neither of the two legacy candidates will even discuss the criminal fraud of Wall Street nor address the debt hysteria that is adversely affecting the lives of millions in this nation.
In an actual, functioning democracy the will, the true well-being and the genuine needs of the people matter and the people are able to have those realities drive policy and outcome … it is not relegated to the back-burner that a monied aristocracy may have what amounts to a neo-feudal “first access” to everything … even if that access may destroy the very environment upon which the lives of EVERYONE depends.
The “right” to vote matters ONLY if voting has the power to change things, to make a difference.
An orchestrated “choice” between “evils”, lesser or “more effective”, hardly amounts to a sane and mature choice … and to pretend that a “no choice” situation, as it is framed by pundits and party shills, can hardly be conducive to the development or “evolution” of further and more meaningful democracy, as “no choice” implies an already successful breakdown of meaningful participation and honest democracy.
At best, we have a pretend democracy in this country, and to imagine that we have anything more than a pretend vote, given that there is not even a paper trail to verify the announced “results” of the vote is wishful thinking and a tissue of hopes … it is another “dream” which too many have not yet awakened to honestly contemplate.
DW
I take your points, but I don’t see it as starkly as you. The act of voting is not, IMHO, “engaging in a spectator sport.” It’s real, not pretend. Unless the whole voting system is rigged, of course.
I’d like to see more engagement by the electorate too. However, until we get income/wealth inequity under control and dramatically improve public education, voting is all most of us have. Who has the resources to volunteer these days? I doubt even if we have useful PTA’s in this country any more.
From personal experience… The SS number is what will mess you up if you dont have that little white card. This starts the circular maze. You need an ID to get the SS but you need an SS to get the ID. In my case you had to have a birth certificate with the seal to get either which requires ID or your parent swearing you were born.
It all sounds easy on paper until you start doing it.
I’ve got to add my 2cents on that too. I think folks are too caught up in the presidential contest and tend to reduce “voting” into participating in that single race. If this were all there were to it, I would be more inclined to lean in the direction of your take. In
manymost states, I guess viewing “down-ballot” in terms of the federal congressional races is pretty bleak as far as all that goes too.But there really are a boatton of local measures and offices that are decided in these elections along side the handful of big-dollar political offices that folks get frustrated to the point of distraction about. Those decisions matter in the concrete to the specific way people’s local lives are administered … especially in states with voter’s initiative processes. Many of those elections really are far less subjected to the dynamics underlying what you are discussing.
In short. What the hell else are you planning to do on that day that’s so important? Go fucking vote already.
Let me add this from Bruce Dixon, at Black Agenda Reports, botazefa to add a bit more substance to my concern about THIS election:
http://blackagendareport.com/content/brought-you-%E2%80%9Cclean-coal%E2%80%9D-all-you-need-know-about-2012-obama-romney-debates
And I would like to ask you, if I might, why you think that the electorate is less engaged, as they clearly are, in the larger “process” and actual work of democracy … understanding that the “disengagement” began to really expand in the late nineteen seventies (although even in the sixties it was evident that the powers that be did not mind beginning a war based on lies, Vietnam and popular “support” for America as world cop had begun to wane) when the class war, the stagnating of wages, even as the wealthy gained an ever larger amount of the surplus that resulted from increased production allowed the wealthy to begin buying the government, all three branches?
Was it because, perhaps, that members of the political class had already begun to align THEIR “interests” with the corporate elite, was it war weariness, was it that the media was beginning to be bought up and used to further the interests of the wealthy, was it the off-shoring of jobs, the destruction of meaningful endeavor for the people, was it the need to borrow to continue live in the manner to which the middle class had become accustomed over the previous 100 years, of rising wages and expectations, was it the breakdown of community and the sense of shared vision, to be replaced by myths of rugged individualism and the ballyhooed notion that “greed was good”?
What caused the accelerating lack of engagement?
This happens to be a most important question and I would suggest that unexamined realities, in particular, the fact that no one spoke to the end of that 100 year old pattern I mentioned … for you know that was when the family began to disintegrate and most people blamed themselves and each other for the failing “American Dream”, rather than understanding that capitalism is NOT democracy and that “free enterprise” is not freedom.
That “democracy” does not and did not exist in the workplace OR the home, that EXPLOITATION was, and continues to be, the basic experience of MOST human beings in this nation … and the world for that matter?
One hopes that there might arise the possibility of some deeper examination of just how we arrived “where” we “are” … or are not.
DW
We are not going to have public ownership of the means of production in this country for the forseeablefuture,if ever,I fully realize all the problems of the free enterprise system,however we have a clear choice in November before a predatory plutocrat(Romney) and a President who seeks to ameliorate the worst abuses of predator capitalism. This man is not perfect but there is no such thing as perfection in this world.
Democracy as a governmental system will always be flawed and all your points are valid but I look at the incremental changes (including the ups and downs of the American experience) and want to believe we will get there someday. When you look at only valid polls (what Nate Silver calls industry standard polling methodology) on the most important issues the majority of Americans agree with what would be described as a very progressive system of government. I will vote third party knowing many votes cast are by uninformed or low information voters and mine won’t make a big difference to anyone but me in 2012 but I see the changes happening albeit ever so slowly.
Venting is good but voting is gooder. :)
I intend to vote, kgb999, just not for either legacy party candidate, but my point is that a five-minute act does NOT democracy make … and the local political “scene” is just as controlled and circumscribed as the “national”.
The legacy parties control the elections, literally, they determine who can vote, who will be on the ballot and whether write-ins, for instance will be allowed.
Here, during the last local election for the school board, we could vote for Republicans who would privatize the school transportation system and vow to cut school taxes or Democrats who would privatize the school transportation system and vow to cut school takes … the suggestion that the local “branches” of the legacy parties are different from the national party, in their priorities or desire to CONTROL the system does NOT, very often, stand up to genuine scrutiny … and most third parties have not yet committed themselves to building the structure that would permit their meaningful local participation.
And, kgb999, I would ask you the same question(s) which I posed to botazefa; why do you suppose that the people became estranged from the “process” even as the wealthy began to buy that process?
Let us examine say the Senate races nationally, what do we find? Something like this:
http://my.firedoglake.com/gonpa/2012/09/25/more-war/
Now, we know that the majority of “the people” oppose more war … do we see that “will” reflected anywhere in DC, today?
It is not just the issue of war.
Consider health care, or jobs, or the infrastructure …
Simply voting for “more of the same”, in a rigged system, is NOT to experience democracy, it is to legitimize our own, the people’s diminishment and increasing irrelevance … until the ONLY meaningful use of a “vote” is to “register” a “protest” by voting for a third party.
DW
(Hmmm, on edit, I see my “order” of things got messed up, well, kgb999, I hope that you might be able to perceive my concerns, nonetheless.
DW)
I think you may be surprised, litvak, if sufficient understanding may be achieved around a rather specific form of “analysis” …
DW
I read the link and I think your general premise is that the entire system is so controlled by the elites that our vote is similar to how the Fed Chairman gets appointed. The bankers hand a list of names to the President, and the list may have but one name. Similarly, we are given a list of two candidates, and they may both be supported by the corporate/elite/wealthy machine. This show is repeated at the state/local level as well.
Do we really have a choice? Does a vote for pre-packaged marketed candidates mean anything at all in terms of a well-functioning Democracy?
That is a fair question, but beneath it all seems to me to be some feeling that it’s conspiratorial. Maybe the lizard people are in control as David Ike (sp?) claims. That’s where the argument falls apart for me. And, this election is a good example of that. Mitt Romney doesn’t strike me as establishment elite, despite his curriculum vitae. He hasn’t been able to get real/big/committed support from the party (or the SuperPacs) and it’s clear that they threw every nitwit candidate into the ring to try to out him. Or, they threw every nitwit candidate into the debates to make him look good. We can’t know, but my sense is that what we are seeing *now* is accidental and that we have somewhat of a real choice.
Everything you say about the merging of wealth and politics and the commensurate slide of makes good sense to me. That stuff is not cool, to say the least.
In the back of my mind, I think, if we all would just vote the problem could be solved quickly. Am I a hopeless romatic? You’ve gotten my mind thinking on this and I really appreciate it. That said, my shift is about up and it’s 1/2 price happy hour at Opal Devine’s (Austin) tonight, so I’m already a bit mentally checked-out. In the end, maybe that’s the problem: happy hours and credit cards are the new opiate of the masses.
Best.
Hope I didn’t completely misunderstand your point.
Romney is merely part of the Kabuki, botazefa, Obama is the preferred “choice” of the PTB, the MOTU … Romney’s job, whether he knows it or not, is simply to frighten the many into stampeding into the Obama camp.
It would be funny were it not so blatantly obvious and fraught with flirtations with calamity.
Neither legacy party, D or R, “represents” anything but money and corporate power … meaning limitless greed and unrestrained power … you need not call this “conspiracy”, simply the “way” things “evolved” … when the people became estranged from the process the wealthy had the means, the excess of “surplus” from the fruits of the working classes, to buy the system, both the three branches and the opinion-shaping apparatus.
I appreciate your response and you well-grasped the nettle of my “points”.
I do not seek “agreement”, merely a deeper and broader discussion.
DW
Your commentary makes your intentions very clear. I appreciate what you bring to the table and I’m always enlightened by the content of what FDL folk post. It’s much different than what I encounter on HuffPo or the Atlantic. I do a lot more therapy there as part of my outreach to civilize.
Now, for that beer.
I term “it”, the Great Educational Outreach, botazefa.
Though, I rather like your term … as it gets to the human heart of the matter.
Wouldn’t mind a wee pint, meself.
;~DW
Outstanding discussion today DW, BS and botazefa.
I agree this election makes one reconsider the desires and aims of the PTB and MOTU. Certainly the GOP. Perhaps these people don;t have as much control over “the people” as they think. Perhaps we, the American voters are smarter or better informed than we were, say ten years ago.
Agree, FDL provides a safe and SANE place for me to play. I think the internet can’t be ignored as the source of the “better informed” and the smarter comes from that. I didn’t know very much ten years ago compard to now that is for sure. I remember the first time I saw a “Question Authority” bumper sticker and you would have to say we’ve come a long way since then.
Best discussions on the internet here at FDL. Excellent reporters in Jon, Dave and Tbogg. Excellent contributors in BS, DW, onit, several others. OUtatanding “comedy relief” by that carguy too.
The fact that some 57% believe Romney would be an unsuitable president shows that SOMEbody is paying attention. I’m encouraged by that and somewhat relieved.
You are “encouraged” that all of 57% see him for the asshat he is. 43% must be Canadians from Newfoundland and not from this Country, eh. Meanwhile shit is hitting fans all over Greece and Spain.
Just happened to see what post comes after this one, “TransCanada Urges Texas Police to use ‘Aggressive Pain Compliance Tactics’ on Keystone XL Blockaders”, by Jane Hamsher.
What then happened, is … made very clear. Torture R Us …
One notes what Jane had to say about Obama’s and Romney’s “positions” on the pipeline … which are … virtually identical …
How will our votes change ANY of this?
When might we expect to see this change?
Ah, well …
DW
2016 I’m hoping. Unless a bunch more people can climb up the trees with these patriots.
That’s why I think we should encourage immigration from Canada with no limits. We MUST exoand the gene pool. IN fact, encouraging Canadians to settle in the South.
Spain and Greece thing was bound to happen. Worse, it might be catching.
Nobody needs to encourage Texas police to use force. Hell, over the weekend a Houston cop shot and killed double amputee in a wheelchair because he was brandishing………a ballpoint pen.
If what your saying was actually the case you’d have a pt. However, look at what Obama did not what he said he did. He basically bailed out the villains that took the system to its knees and he has done little or nothing to help the victims of these same criminals. Not one bankster was charged for fraud oetc. Even during Reagan’s rule thousands of cases were prosecuted against the S& L robbers and many of these people went to jail. NOT ONE OF the present vandals and Visigoths that run Wall st. we’re punished. Instead, the weak, poor , infirm and children and the long term unemployed have been asked to shoulder the burden of the collapsed economy. Plus, that just scratches the surface of all the infamy this man has reigned over. Yes, Willard is a joke but Barry is not all that better.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t Obama alter his slogan from “Hope and Change” to just “Hope”???
You don’t see the term “visigoths” very often these days.
You think, BS, another four years of Barack, “you’ll never see it coming”, Obama, will serve to educate a sufficient number of the people to cause those people to INSIST upon ACTUAL change? Or, are the legacy parties going to re-form themselves? Or, are third parties going to rise sufficiently to be able to wrest “control” from the uberwealthy?
The world will be a VERY different place if current “trajectories” continue until 2016 … and remember a certain potential “war” might still be “raging” … a new “bailout may have been “required”, and so forth and so on.
No one knows what will happen, of course, yet consequences have a way of finally catching up with empires, especially those which have “off-shored” their essential humanity … which is a step-by-step “process” … and we are already quite far “along” …
DW
Ah-ha. Current trajectories, looming war, and additional bailouts???????
Wish I couild disagree. But I think you’ve hit the potential disasterous consequences pretty much on the head.
“At least we ain’t got locust”.
Old Japanese proverb.
I have always thought it has to get worse before it can get better. When people are actually starving in the streets we will change.
Yes, I agree, sad, but very likely so, BS.
I would add that we need to develop or, in truth, make use of a form of “analysis” of our plight that Southern Dragon shared with us here:
http://my.firedoglake.com/southerndragon/2012/09/25/marx-in-the-morning-6/
sharing it widely with many other human beings, else we will not be prepared to offer meaningful and useful, as well as understandable and desirable options and perspectives to others.
Ain’t Easy.
Yet dreadful experience is not enough, by itself, it must become “meaningful” and instructive to have any merit, and suggest possibility and worthwhile purpose … beyond the “company” of shared misery.
DW
Well, we cannot leave out the possibility of drought or high water, ncg …
The Four Horsemen may yet visit upon us, their “gifts”.
DW
I think I saw them on Monday along I-45 North at the Crossroads exit.
Didn’t think anything about at the time.