Paul Krugman looked past the election yesterday and toward its aftermath, framing the election as a referendum on the social safety net and warning Democrats not to take the wrong lesson.
Here’s the reason he felt the need to do that. Jonathan Weisman’s lead story in today’s New York Times puts together the three-stage process key Senators want to use to force a grand bargain on the country, which would put Medicare and Social Security on the table for cuts. Right now this hasn’t advanced to the upper echelons of leadership, and the best hope to stop it remains House Republican antipathy to tax increases. But here’s what it looks like.
The first step would be where everyone is already at: setting a target for cutting $4 trillion from the budget over the next 10 years. It’s not totally clear whether the $1 trillion already cut in the spending cap factors into that at all, or the $1 trillion from ending the war in Afghanistan. Both of those are part of President Obama’s overall figure, but he’s been using the $4 trillion topline number in his campaign ads and deficit plans. He calls it a “balanced approach,” and that’s what this would incorporate, with tax increases, spending cuts and social insurance reforms.
A plan for budget savings from all those pieces would get forwarded to the relevant committees, which would have a timeline to fill in the specific details. The time frame would be the next 6 months to a year. So this goes from Super Committee to Super Committees, plural, aka the committees of jurisdiction.
And much like the Budget Control Act, we would have “trigger II.” If the committees failed to reach agreement on a plan, a placeholder deficit reduction proposal, basically Bowles-Simpson or something very much like it, would go into effect. So that would then become the other alternative. Republicans wouldn’t like it because of the tax increases. Democrats wouldn’t like it because of the increases to the retirement age and cuts to safety net spending. And that would be the baseline. We either get that, or whatever the committees come up with.
Stage III of this rocket would put off trigger I and the tax increases – not sure if this just means the Bush tax cuts or all the various tax increases that will add over $500 billion to the Treasury next year – with a “down payment” of some deficit reduction, probably enough to delay the trigger cuts for 6 months to a year, in the range of $55 billion to $110 billion. This was Dick Durbin’s idea, according to the NYT.
There are a lot of hurdles to this approach, to be sure. The White House has refused to sign any bill that would extend the Bush tax cuts over $250,000 for one more day. On the flip side, House Republicans have almost all signed the Norquist pledge, which this three-stage grand bargain rocket would violate. In fact, no House Republicans are involved in the talks at the moment. And then there’s the threat of Social Security cuts, which Harry Reid has said he would not do inside a deficit reduction package, along with 29 Senate Democrats in all.
That’s the framework, however. The details would get worked out after the election, and the outcome of that election would loom large. Obviously the deal looks different depending on the President and the composition of Congress. But the legislation is already being written:
With their party leaders’s encouragement, Senators Michael Bennet, Democrat of Colorado, and Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, have begun talks on legislative language to lock a deficit reduction framework into law.
The real depressing aspect to this is how much the focus has completely shifted away from a still-simmering unemployment crisis. The economy had to have stimulus at the beginning of last year, when unemployment was 8.3% with a low employment-population ratio. Now we’re at 8.1%, still with a low employment-population ratio, and Washington has not only resigned itself to end all the stimulus, they want to actively make things terrible through an austerity program. The 6-12 month buffer may delay the pain slightly, but the anti-stimulus from letting things like the payroll tax cut expire will still cut into GDP in the short term. There’s just no sense of urgency on jobs whatsoever.
As usual, gridlock is the main friend to those who would want to scuttle this deal. And there’s ample opportunity for that to happen. But there are definitely a lot of wheels in motion.




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David – you must abandon the quaint notion that Washington cares about unemployment.
Ah, the confluence of avarice, greed, and stupidity in all its putrid glory.
Lessee…high unemployment, rising food prices, rampant foreclosure. Now what can the government do to increase misery? Oh yeah! Cut SSMM! Genius.
This is why taking out Paul Ryan would help immensely — it would show that the Third Rail still exists.
Doesn’t the fact that Paul Ryan is a VP candidate and the D president is concocting a Grand Bargain prove that there is no longer a third rail? No going back, IMO.
“There’s just no sense of urgency on jobs whatsoever.”
The people mentioned all have very good jobs, and the micro economic habitat that they all live in is doing very well, probably the best in history outside of empires with absolute rulers.
Excluding the impact of climate change, their prospects for the future, are bright, and growing brighter. same for their children, and their grandchildren, and so on, well into the future.
Why would they do anything different. These policies enhance their prospects.
It’s quite clear; That is absolutely all that they care about. And that definitely includes Obama.
Taking out Ryan — and making it clear WHY he was taken out (namely, his austerity jonesing and granny-starving ways) — would bring the Third Rail back.
Remember, things were much much MUCH worse for the poor a century ago. Yet FDR came along and improved everyone’s lot. It can be done — in fact, it should be easier now.
Depends on how they grew up. Obama had a shaky home life but a moderately-prosperous grandpa, so he doesn’t automatically consider the 99% pond scum; his problem is that Pete Peterson owns the brains of the Beltway and most of the NYC crowd — he was steered early on by guys like Tom Daschle. People like Ryan, on the other hand, are out-and-out Randians who don’t identify at all with people like us.
You are absolutely correct mafr.
Taken in terms of pure economic analysis; the upper echelon, the Capitalists, are amassing wealth at a rate that deprives the rest of society of a standard of living. We are very rapidly approaching what I see as the Event Horizon; the point at which the finite wealth of the world is too highly concentrated in the hands of the Capitalists, and the poor majority revolts.
This society, the American economy of the last 40 years, cannot survive. It simply is not sustainable.
Blows to SS and M/M may be the last straw.
I’m not sure what form revolt will take. I hope it is peaceful and done in the voting booth. But it must come, or America will fall.
I really don’t see the need for urgency given that the country has such a strong and flexible safety net.
Wait. Hunh?
This is what President Drone Strike has been working for since appointing Simpson and Bowles to his Catfood Commission in early 2010.
Compare the effort he’s put into cutting Social Security to supporting a public option in the ACA.
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The Demo party brass should also be dropping a few bucks into the ZEGS-Zerban congressional race. Think how sweet it would be to see Ryan get bounced on both the national and state levels…and what a great opportunity it would create to expose his granny-starving ways. Seeing him publicly flogged and humiliated would suit me just fine.
I would happily celebrate the political demise of R-Ayn on all races, but I sincerely doubt that – other than schadenfreude – it will make one damn bit of difference to how the PTB operate these days. If R-Ayn loses, then he’ll just go on to some cushy lobbying job and make even more money than he does now.
Frankly for R-Ayn, it’s just: win-win. There’s no real downside for him, other than, possibly, a bruised ego. Big deal. Sorry to bust anyone’s bubble. JMHO, of course.
this post shills for the establishment. the implication of the post is that this is a good thing and necessarily avoids common sense resolutions being avoided by the MSM. the post should be titled democrat talking points-what a shill
The momentum is moving in the opposite direction.
And this:
Just fries my onions. Until those guys are thrown out of Congress on the ears for abiding by a non-enforcible pact with a non-elected person vs. performing their duties as stated in the Constitution, which they read verbatim at the opening of the session to demonstrate how passionate they were about it, we can expect no progress on this issue.
I don’t have a problem with being committed to a philosophical stand, but ignoring the ramifications of that stand and refusing to discuss any kind of compromise should be treated as non-performance of duty and result in the expulsion of said members.
That’s silly.
“Grand Bargain” is a cursed phrase around here, and well it should be.
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Will you allow that others may have a different reading of this report? I sure hope so.
So let’s get this straight we can’t cut the defense budget because the defense contractors will cry and the DoD will need to lay people and because it will harm the economy(even though this doesn’t have a dedicated revenue stream that actually contributes to our bottom line) However, cutting social security and medicare that comprise a much larger portion of our obligations (and have been prior to this point revenue neutral or in the case of Social Security a source of revenue for the dolts in Congress) is totally an intelligent move for the economy.
We are governed by morons. Only in idiotville would someone be anxiously looking for a way to get rid of a source of revenue while touting “saving” a bloated department(and let’s make it clear when you have number crunchers telling you that they can’t crunch the numbers because you’e made this portion of government so large and complex and have allowed it to grow with practically no oversight then it IS bloated) that is, was and always will be revenue negative for our government.
The only thing that will “move” the political class are mass demonstrations. Without that the public is at the whim of the ruling elites.
David. You assert that Democrats would not be happy if Social Security and Medicare get cut. Really.? I have not heard any words of protest from Pelosi on Bowles and Simpson’s recommendations to raise the retirement age and to change the COLA coefficient to reduce benefits over time. My own Senators, Schumer and Gillibrand have been completely silent about social program cuts; and they showed their cards when they capitulated on cutting the public option from the ACA bill. So are you sure the Democrats would be ‘unhappy’ if there were cuts?? What gives you the impression that they care that 70 to 80% of Americans want legislators to leave social programs alone??
Things will change when people are actually starving to death on the streets. Uber wealthy people are a small minority of the whole population but they are not a homogenous group. They will eat themselves and foul their own nest (Earth) before the 99% get control but what will replace the current plutocracy/fascist regime is more hopeful. I just think we will know more and care more as a people. In our new world we should make it a law that it is OK to be rich but only if your not crazy.
Meh,the Democrats see Ryan as a useful idiot.
He proposes outrageous crap and then they cluck and wring their hands before compromising and giving the GOP half of what they ask for. Then GOP waits a little while and then goes for it again. Next thing you know the “crazy crap” is actual policy because the Democrats have consistently given in incrementally. See women’s reproductive health care for examples.
The sooner people come to grips with the idea that perhaps the Democrats may not have the same goals as you, I or Joe Average, the better off we’ll all be. Their goal is to be re elected and as long as they can run against the “lesser evil” they really don’t need to do menial things like protect the majority of this country from poverty.
No, it won’t. However, taking out Obama for putting the social safety net on the chopping block would indeed bring the Third Rail back. Unfortunately, many partisan Democrats seem to think that it’s OK if the Democrats and Obama are the ones cutting the social safety net (among other abominations).
The problem is with the Democratic Party. The GOP is serving its historical role as the Party of Big Money. The American political system has collapsed because the Democratic Party under Obama no longer fulfills its role as the party of the People. Want to fix the system? Want to “improve” the Republican Party? Fix the Democratic Party by forcing it to move Left, abandon corporatism and work for the American People. Or else replace the Democratic Party with the Green Party, which does indeed stand with the American People.
Right now, the American People are wholly unrepresented by the mainstream political spectrum, comprised of the two major parties who serve only the plutocrats. That is failure on every level and it is utterly unsustainable.
That hasn’t even been effective as far as I can see. Despite mass demonstrations the largest result appeared to be laws to make mass demonstrations more uncomfortable rather than actual laws that addressed the housing crisis, the unemployment rate or any other of the number of real problems this country faces.
This is true. A hopeful sign would have been Obama coming to the aid of the 1st Amendment. I know he has read it.
The conclusion I have come to is that by hook or crook we NEED to make the Green Party a part of the debate. It’s the only way we can force the narrative to the left and force the Democrats not to treat those of us that believe we should govern from the left like “f**kin retards”. As it stands right now we have a default vote system, where the only requirement many of the Democrats need to fulfill to get a vote is not have an R after their name. It’s a crappy system and it needs to change.
Senator Durbin (D-Austerity) voted for Bowles-Simpson and hasn’t signed the recent letter about not cutting SS as part of deficit reduction. The next D politician I’ll consider trusting will be the one who breaks with the party and endorses Jill Stein for President.
Nancy Pelosi supports Bowles-Simpson (3/29/12):
Here.
Is that high enough on the Democrat food chain for us to believe that the Democrats don’t care that the people do not want social program cuts??
Someone set me straight here. How many years in Congress and Senate do these yahoos have to serve before they leave with a nice tidy little sum and how much is it and what about their health care ?? Why doesn’t the press report on this when they are slashing cuts for me and you ?
Bush tax cuts for the wealthy passed the Senate with 50 +1 (Cheney) votes and we couldn’t get single payer or tax reform for Oil Companies with 58 votes and a majority in the house. Enuf said.
Yes, and worst of all, it (our current political system) simply is not working. Global warming is the most grave problem we and the world have ever faced. Now, more than three years into the rule by America’s allegedly Progressive party, AGW is worse than ever and getting worse every day. Not only did humans put more carbon into the atmosphere last year than in any year in history, not only did AGW cost the global economy $1.2T last year, but now our “Progressive” party president has added unregulated and uncontrolled fracking to our list of environmental catastrophes. Not to mention the near-certain approval of the Tar Sands Pipeline, the refusal of Obama’s EPA to regulate GHGs despite Supreme Court authority, and turning the U.S. into a hydrocarbon export economy. And that is just on energy and global warming. The list of Obama’s atrocities is almost as long in almost every other major policy area. Anyone who still thinks this political system is working is nuts.
And John Kerry, Obama’s SecState-in-waiting and a true plutocratic profile-in-courage, won’t even sign the letter opposing Social Security benefits cuts. Who’s kidding whom? At this point, only the willfully blind can’t see what Obama is and what he intends.
” Global warming is the most grave problem we and the world have ever faced.”
by a very large margin.
Why are we (the American people/Progressives) voting for Obama if he’s going to do what the GOP would do if Romney won.
I say let the GOP take power and put in their own policies, then when they don’t work the Progressives will sweep into power!
Vote Green Party!
In order to be eligible for a pension they have to serve 5 years per the Senate site.
They can retire at 60 if they have 10 years of service or 62 if they have 5 years of service. They can also take a reduced pension at 50 if they served 20 years.
Their pensions are less a problem IMO then the fact that they use their congressional careers as a jumping point to a lobbying career which is the far more lucrative route.
Or maybe the Democratic Party will move Left out of self-interest when Leftists begin abandoning it in droves for the Green Party. Either way, the country moves Left. In any case, supporting Right Wing Democrats like Obama simply out of fear of the GOP boogeymen just moves the country ever further Right. As Jill Stein says: the politics of fear is bringing us everything we fear.
Ok Thanks cwaltz. It was reported a few months ago that Kyle from AZ was retiring after 18 years…..3 Senate Terms at a salary of $180,000.00 per year and that pissed me off.
Pretty much. It’s ironic because we are a country that reveres it’s forefathers and their revolutionary approach. Meanwhile many decry(from both sides of the aisle) those suggesting that we need revolutionary change as being unrealistic idealists. They’ve embraced pragmatism and loyalty to a system that clearly is broken. Tell someone that you are going to vote third party and you’ll get a litany of excuses of why the person can’t win or how hard it is to change things. *puts head on desk*
It’s disheartening to see so many embrace the suckitude.
$180,000 sounds high.
According to this page the average pension was less than $36,000 in 2006.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/uscongress/a/congresspay.htm
It’s obvious if President Obama loses this election because he lost the left wing of the Democrat party, the democrats will move sharply to the left next time, or be pushed aside.
As proof you only need to look at the GOP. . . The Tea Party pushed them to the right.
Progressives need to unite behind the Green Party!
Now is the time!
Soon none if it will matter. Lemmings.
You’re probably overestimating the Democratic Party I don’t think they’ll get it after one election cycle. It’ll take a couple of cycles before the survival instinct kicks in and they start to worry that folks will toss them over for the Green Party and they’ll lose all that special interest money and access to power players.
I think the Greens have their work cut out for them. As it stands right now less than 5% of the population seems to get that the solution to a problem is not to pretend there isn’t a problem.
A referendum?
Fine, how do I vote to stop this?
Obama? the driving force behind it?
Well I have the same reading as jbade. To even suggest that democrats care about stopping cuts to the safety net is so absurdly counterfactual, I’d laugh if it weren’t so sad to see it here.
I could be wrong but I swear that CNN reported that number.
Ok Thank you , This answers my questions.