Charlie Pierce’s big line about the debate mirrored my thoughts about how the discourse has been so narrowed by a combination of DC establishment insulation from the actual problems of ordinary Americans, and Democrats becoming the face of New Austerity:
What you saw, I think, anyway, was the end product of the president’s consuming naivete as regards the American political process, as well as the end product of thirty years of a Democratic Party that has slid so far to the center-right that a Democratic president found himself arguing with a “severely conservative” Republican candidate over the issues of how much the Democratic president had cut out of the budget, how many regulations he’d trimmed, how much more devoted to the middle-class-kick-in-the-balls Simpson-Bowles “plan” he is, and how he would “reform” Social Security and Medicare — and, frankly, a Democratic president losing some of those arguments to his left. A Democratic president got through an entire debate and didn’t mention unions at all, even though the fact that our teachers are unionized here in Massachusetts is a big part of the reason why Romney got to brag on how good our education system is [...] somewhere, Al From, that greasy corporatist lackey, was smiling. He’s got the political process of his dreams. Of course, it is also the case that The Great Sellout is already under way, so what the hell does it matter.
At one point, Romney was able to trap the President on the subject of deficits (“You’ve been president four years. You said you’d cut the deficit in half. It’s now four years later. We still have trillion-dollar deficits.”), which is only possible because of the way a Democratic President holds deficit-cutting as a virtue and refuses to point out that this is precisely the wrong thing to do in the midst of mass unemployment.
And this discourse gets narrowed, frankly, because there’s a massive political machine dedicated to narrowing it. These things don’t just happen by accident. Someone has to pay the bills to promote the rise of austerity economics:
Billionaire private equity mogul Peter Peterson is investing millions of dollars in a new Washington-based campaign for austerity, planning to blanket the airwaves after the election to bolster the case for a “grand bargain” in Congress’ lame-duck session that would slash Medicare and Social Security spending in exchange for new tax revenue.
The new Campaign to Fix the Debt is chaired by former Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, a Democrat, and former New Hampshire Sen. Judd Gregg, a Republican. It’s priming for lame-duck negotiations over the expirations of the payroll tax cut and the Bush tax cuts, as well as scheduled cuts to defense and non-defense spending.
Peterson’s allies aren’t waiting for the election, however. In New Hampshire, the co-chairmen of the 2010 Simpson-Bowles commission — former GOP Sen. Alan Simpson and former Clinton White House official Erskine Bowles — have endorsed incumbent Republican Rep. Charlie Bass, who supported a budget bill with many of their austerity recommendations, over progressive Democrat Annie Kuster. Bowles and Simpson have become fashionable politically, so Bass is taking full advantage of their endorsement, running full-page ads in newspapers across the state [...]
Peterson is not new to the austerity scene. From 2007 to 2011, he personally contributed at least $458 million to the Peter G. Peterson Foundation, which portrays all government spending as in crisis, desperately needing dramatic cuts. Peterson’s millions have done next to nothing to change public opinion: In survey after survey, Americans reject the idea of cutting Social Security and Medicare. A recent national tour largely funded by the foundation met with audiences who rebuffed its proposals.
It doesn’t matter if the public won’t buy the dog food. The politicians have. They’ve been positioning themselves to get this done for over two years. Only tax-averse Republicans who wouldn’t provide the cover needed for all the cuts stopped the deal the first time. And they have this massive machine to contend with from the Big Money Boys. These are people who want politicians to quit whining about poor people. They would rather keep them marginalized.
The President had an opportunity to defend social insurance programs last night, and he started with a dodge to give himself maximum political maneuverability before moving (not very convincingly) to a set of animating values about the people who need these benefits (without commenting on whether current benefits are adequate). This was pretty transparently discomforting.
I actually thought there was a decent enough debate about Medicare on both sides, but in the end it comes down to someone who wants to radically transform the system and someone who wants to, in his words, “tweak” it. And that means both sides are playing on the same side of the field.




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Yes! As I posted this morning:
NOT a disconnect–an expression of both candidates’ shared view of the importance of deficits and budget-balancing over our needs. Keynes is dead; long live Pinochet/Friedmanomics.
The whole premise of that opening, endless exchange about taxes turned on the fact that BOTH of these cruds care more about the deficit than about creating jobs or programs to help people in the middle of the worst economic crisis since the Depression.
In the end both of the candidates agreed on the issues that were most important to the ruling class. . . and Romney won because he did it all with more passion and surprising fluency.
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I’m surprised there wasn’t more time spent on what’s wrong with the Medicare voucher concept. It came and went quickly last night. Hoping O will have more next time.
Also Romney’s “vision” of state-by-state versions of RomneyCare would be even worse than ACA. Too often there has been a “there, you see?!” touting of RomneyCare in there parts, but the program is a fluke. Mass was not a good testbed for this. Mass is a highly wealthy state to begin with, then the Feds pumped in a lot more to help get RomneyCare started. Mass simply is not representative of the nation as a whole, nor is RomneyCare or anything like it a good fit all over.
Single payer, or at least a public option, next stop!
This whole thing is very discouraging to say the least.
This has been no secret where the PTB want to go but what isn’t getting as much attention is how complete a fail it will be. We need a plan for coming out of this inevitable planned austerity budget depression and both Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson had viable plans basically taken from the old New Deal. 2016 is what we are setting the foundation for in 2012 IMHO.
Reminds me of the phrase “shared psychosis” – known as “bipartisanship” for those still playing the Kabuki Theater home edition. Of course, it doesn’t really need to be said that LOTE is still evil, shared psychosis is still psychosis, and sprinkling parsley and green onions on a pile of dogshit does not change the fact that the dish being served is still dogshit …
Obama poor performance last night reflects his poor performance (tack to the right) of the past 4 years. Dismal performance by a “Democrat” on both scores. Not amazing how much they agree with each other as much as they said. I wonder if that’s becoming apparent to the “progressive” Obama supporters, finally? They’re two quasi-Republicans with altogether too similar approaches. UGH.
Yay Jill Stein who hasn’t capitulated.
Unless Jill Stein takes over one of the two political parties, you are in a fantasy land.
So you have faith in one of the two parties. That’s fantastic. I’ll try hope and change even if it is mostly hope.
Another Jill Stein for President, eh? Is that in an alternate universe? I think Obama lost last night, but that does not translate to a vote for Romney or for Jill Stein.
I have some faith in one of those two parties.
The people who are supposed to push back on the myth of the big bad deficit and the myth of the Social Security crisis are not pushing back. The so-called liberal think tanks have been co-opted by the Peterson money. They are not allowed to admit that this administration is going to make poor and middle class people pay for the bad deals Wall Street made and the wars the neocons never paid for. The middle persons of our intellectual class and economic policy watchdogs are standing down and using their ‘soft voices’ to remark, “Well. It looks like we are going to get a ‘grand bargain’ after all. My. My.” Their discourse is permitted to comment on how many dead, uninsured people can fit on the head of a privatized medical system’s deadly pin. But there is no longer any cui bono, who done it? questioning. And even AARP has been out there “selling the product” asking people what they want but skewing the questions to reflect public aspirations for economic crucifixions. Moving Medicare age up to 67 from 65 would create Obama VoucherCare from the ACA cloth. The Social Security sell-out is a complete disconnect from government as providing for the ‘common good’. Why would anyone want to vote for candidates who promise to give their children a future prospect of poverty in their future retirement? Stench 1 or Stench 2? PU.
I don’t.
Here’s your chainsaw cutting crew: (from Hitzlik’s article in the LA times on Peterson)
Up until that last sentence, I was with you. Why would I? Bc I think we need to rebuild a monopoly party from the ground up. We have to throw the blue Dogs out and put people in power to ensure and improve the safety net. I dislike saying it must be a monopoly party but quite obviously at least since the sixties we have been faced with one crack pot or another.
I saw something on another site that is discouraging. We have been fighting this neoliberal economic story for fifty years now and we can’t seem to break it. It will break one economist’s funeral at a time.
Yes, he is really good at that.
Well, at the moment I am highly discouraged by them both. But I will not waste my time on Jill Stein.
With all due respect (and I mean that), my parents told me, like 42 years ago, that, instead of protesting, etc, my generation needed to “make changes from inside the system.”
Well guess what?? It hasn’t worked.
Frankly I never believed my parents back then, albeit, to a large extent I did what I could both from *inside* and *outside* the system. IMO, at this point, working outside the One Party Monopoly is the way to go.
Attempting to vote out Blue Dogs is all very well, but for the most part, they are then merely replaced by someone who rapidly becomes co-opted and part of the system. As in: meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
That’s my take. I realize you disagree, but hopefully we can have a respectful discussion. Working from within Has. Not. Worked. It’s finished. Dead. Time to turn the page and move on…
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While it’s obvious to me that Peterson (etal, no doubt) is writing checks to push the (incredibly stupid and ill-conceived) “Grand Bargain” meme, I don’t really understand the motivation for doing so. Is it as simple as the plutocrats (essentially and fundamentally) wanting it all? Is “almost all” not yet enough? That’s so fucking cynical, it’s almost difficult for me to get my mind around it – and I ain’t exactly Pollyanna when it comes to such matters.
I wish you wouldn’t use the term “waste” because even if the Green party doesn’t grow into a major party history has shown that third parties can bring one of the major parties more into line with what a majority of citizens want their government to be. There are many people behind sending a message to our current two party (uniparty) system. I abandoned the Democratic Party AFTER they abandoned me and I want to vote for something good not against something bad. (especially when I think the bad was manufactured to make me afraid. Kevin Gostola has an essay in his Dissenter blog about where the two party system has gone and I highly recommend it but I applaud any efforts from within or without the D party to get them to listen to the majority of their members. (not the D.C. beltway millionaires and billionaires). To imply working for a third party is a waste is somewhat undemocratic and not true in our history of American politics.
This is Pete Peterson’s org
http://www.fixthedebt.org/partners
(Note all the slime partners with Patriotic sounding names)
Austerity War Revs Up: Peter Peterson Drops Millions On New Budget Campaign
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/03/austerity-war-peter-peterson_n_1937089.html
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Tell these criminals that their plan will lead to them being eaten.
The low point for me was when President Obama stated that he agrees with Romney on Social Security.
When the Obama campaign called me for money, I asked if they knew of any Democrats who were running for President this year.
And….what did they reply. Just curious.:)
You raise some good questions, for which I have no clear answer.
I would just point to, for ex, China, where the PTB there have done their damndest to enslave their workers – Foxconn springs to mind – to be ground under working in unsafe & unsavory and slave-like working conditions for very little pay.
IMO, the .0001% simply wish to grind the US rapidly dwindling middle and working classes down as far under as they possibly can to make us sick, tired, hungry, poor and desparate. Soooo much easier to manipulate that way.
What they want our hard-earned Soc Sec for is to pass it through to their greedy buddies on Wall St to manipulate and continue the rapine and pillaging.
I think when someone becomes that ridiculously wealthy, it causes them (if they weren’t already there) to become depraved narcissistic sociopaths, where NOTHING is ever enough. They just want more, more, more…
At this stage, after all of their financial shenigans, rip offs, manipulations, etc, there’s not too many other assets to rip off, EXCEPT Soc Sec & Medicare. They’re conniving jackals salivating after what remains of the spoils. Empty-headed self-absorbed 2 year olds befouling their own nests, actually.
Well said, and I quite agree. Although both of the “two” political parties have been in existence for well over one and half centuries, that doesn’t make them unassailable. The PTB just want us to believe that.
Third Parties, even if they don’t assume major status, can definitely play a role in pushing the “Bigs” back in line.
Stating that Third Parties simply need to give up the ghost runs counter to our Nation’s alleged “traditions” and “Democracy” as we’d like to know it.
Bingo! We can’t stop them fast enough so many will die (have died) and suffering will continue but we can still vote and voting third party down ticket this year and every year after will be effective as the 1% are not a clever conspiratorial geniuses but what you said. It will get worse before it gets better but it will get better.
At this stage, I think that was probably – disclaimer: I didn’t watch the debate, but I’ve read a lot of analysis following it – the high point for me, if you will. Why? Because it WAS the BIG REVEAL.
Many have been attempting to tell others that THIS IS what Obama intends to do: Gut Soc Sec.
Some of us have been dissed and derided for making that claim.
Well hip hip hooray. IMO, it’s probably one of the FEW actually *honest* things that Obama’s said to date. NOW everyone can see for themselves who they are voting for and what policies to expect.
Agreed.
Hey: if there are efforts to oust Blue Dogs with seemingly serious progressive “Democratic” candidates, then I’m open to considering that candidate and possibly working for them or whatever to GOTV, etc.
But I refuse to ONLY have that one, tiny and generally not very productive route be the ONLY thing that we can do.
Third Parties have always been around; they will always be around; and they can be useful and effective. I refuse to just roll over on this one. It’s a bogus argument to say you’re stupid for voting Third Party. No, not really.
If you watch the pre debate discussion that DN! had they talk about how the two major parties have conspired to keep other candidates out. If we don’t try to break the monopoly and the big money keeps both parties captured then it is as someone else said always going to be Tide v. Ivory and whoever you choose P & G wins.
Perhaps it’s time for you to admit to yourself the reality of Obama’s betrayals of the 99% and view this as a positive. Stop defending him and don’t get fooled again, otherwise you are just exacerbating the problem.
Agreed. It’s impossible to effect change from inside a system that’s broken, especially when prosecution of whistle-blowers is government policy.
I have given up. Although I still dispute the repuptilians’ constant cry “worst president ever“, I think “worst democrastic president ever” is fairly accurate.
As was said here before, Obama is really a “white conservastive mid-westerner republican” masquerading as a black man.
Helluva makeup job. Even fooled Michelle.
Boy, I hate to end the week on such a low note. I say, let’s look on the bright side. Maybe the world will end on December 22nd.
Obama is one of the 2 best corporatist Democrats in recorded history. The only one that can challenge him is Bill “I Caused Your Pain” Clinton.
Don’t excuse Michelle, she’s complicit as a corporatist tool.
There are better places to live than USA,Inc. We are only number 1 in our own minds, if we’re willing to be ignorant and believe our own propaganda, rather than the facts. Cheer up.
Read Chris Hedges’s column, The Obama Deception: Why Dr. Cornel West No Longer Supports Obama, and what West has to say about Michelle Obama.
When David Plouffe brings her into a situation it’s solely for political purposes. She’s used both to bolster Obama’s numbers and as a distraction, to misdirect attention. When the administration needs a diversion, Michelle will appear in some ridiculous get-up.
I really got Michelle Obama’s complicity and what she is about during an Oprah special at the White House at Christmas (the Obamas’ first year in the White House). Clips have been yanked off the internet for copyright infringement (Oprah has only carefully edited clips of the program up). Oprah asked the Obamas who gave better gifts, and it was as if the Obamas had forgotten a camera was recording their words and that the nation was circling the economic drain. As Michelle chided Obama for crummy gifts, he pointed to the diamond-clasped pearls around her neck and asked, “Where did those come from?” She quickly changed her tone, and practically purring, she admitted that the necklace came from him, “an anniversary gift”, and that he could “keep doing more of that”.
Her cause as First Lady (childhood obesity and healthy food) is ironic, given her past. Never talked about is the fact that in addition to her day job, Michelle Obama held a paid board seat position ($45k/year) at a food company up until Obama threw his hat into the 2008 campaign. The company (Treehouse Foods) is Walmart’s chief supplier, and its senior VP of Corporate Development is from Citigroup.
If Michelle and Barack Obama were authentic, if they were the real thing and sincerely interested in the issues that people put them in office to achieve, Obama’s Department of Agriculture wouldn’t be buying 7 million pounds of this toxic stew (pink slime) and serving it to the most vulnerable among us: Children. If Michelle wasn’t merely a prop, this would be precisely the situation she would be lobbying against and could actually have an effect on, i.e., a policy coming out of her husband’s administration.
After Gabrielle Giffords’ shooting in Tucson, Michelle Obama perpetuated the false narrative (and helped to spread the meme) that what happened in Arizona was the result of “incivility” instead of a failed healthcare system and government that needs to expand mental health services nationwide and prevent weapons getting into the hands of the mentally iII.
Just as I used to say that there was nothing “lovely” about Laura Bush or reason to excuse her from her husband’s offenses (she stayed married to the man), I find nothing to admire about Michelle Obama. She helps keep the fraud going.
Is Judd Gregg still working for Goldman Sachs? He was up here at Dartmouth last month to give a lecture entitled “The Role of the Senate in the Upcoming Fiscal Crisis”. If people are interested, there is an article about it posted on the web that is easy to find. I hemmed and hawed and then decided to skip it because it would have put my blood pressure through the roof.
Thank you, DD, for the excellent diary.
“The President had an opportunity to defend social insurance programs last night, and he started with a dodge to give himself maximum political maneuverability before moving (not very convincingly) to a set of animating values about the people who need these benefits (without commenting on whether current benefits are adequate). This was pretty transparently discomforting.”
You nailed it.
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Ditto, hbb.
Please check your e-mail.
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I would not go so far as “a highly wealthy state”, but I agree that MA is not representative. It is relatively more prosperous than average.
The more relevant truth is that Mitt Romney left our state in complete shambles, in spite of the eventual success of “Romneycare” (thanks to competent people who worked on the program after Romney abandoned everything to go play with his Olympics thing.)
He left the schools in shambles, contrary to his lie last night. He left the jobs picture at a rating of 47th in the country (the OTHER “47″ in his legacy). Etc. Etc. If it were not for Duval Patrick, our state would still be in shambles. Romney was a friggin’ nightmare.
I say “fantasyland” and “alternative universes” are far more promising, productive, and imaginatively visionary than a bad case of tunnel vision.
No, you’ll continue to waste your time on Democrats.
How do you spell la-la land?
One definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior while expecting a different result.
Not that the OP says that the Democratic Party has gone ever rightward for at least thirty years. That requires the Republican Party to go further right, in order to maintain its distinctness.
The net result is that the relentlessly rightward march of the Democratic Party is taking the entire country rightward, something that Republicans could never have done on their own.
For the left, continuing to vote Democratic is not the lesser of two evils. It’s the greater of two evils, not to mention downright suicidal.
Additionally, it amazes me that people who say “Never vote for a third party candidate because a third party candidate can never win” miss the inherent logical fallacy.
Can you be more specific?
Obama is the second Democratic President since the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) took over the Democratic Party and founding member of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was the first.
The Koch brothers contributed to the fledging DLC–and with good reason.
At this point, the entire Party has gone DLC, Third Way, No Labels, etc., all different ways to say moderate Republican.
Unless you want your choices to be moderate Republican or extreme right, the only hope for the country is voting third Party. My suggestion would be Green, as it has an international affiliation. But any third party left vote sends a message, especially to Democrats.
If nothing else, it gives the lie to the meme of “The Left has nowhere else to go.”
The machine to cut the social safety net started when Bill Clinton’s White House bragged about having “ended welfare as we know it.”
Neither Social Security nor Medicare is a social safety net. Both are insurance programs into which workers paid for decades before becoming eligible to draw dollar one from them. Some died without ever having taken a dollar from either program. (The correct name for Social Security is OASDI, Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance).
SSI (for the seniors and disabled who did not work enough quarters to be eligible for Social Security), Medicaid and food stamps are social safety nets, as is what remains of welfare.
Does the richest nation in the world really want to allow its weakest people to die for lack of food, very basic shelter or medical care? In the name of what? Religion? Morality? Economy?