In a speech to the National Press Club, Mr. Schumer said he rejected the idea of a tax code overhaul as “little more than happy talk.” Taxes, he said, could not be changed to bring in more revenue, lower the top tax rates and still protect the middle class from tax increases.
Instead, he said that the top two income tax rates should be frozen, and any additional revenues generated by closing loopholes and curtailing or eliminating tax deductions and credits should be devoted to deficit reduction.
“It is an alluring prospect to cut taxes on the wealthiest people and somehow still reduce the deficit, but you can’t have your cake and eat it, too,” Mr. Schumer said. “The reality is, any path forward on tax reform that promised to cut rates will end up either failing to reduce the deficit or failing to protect the middle class from a net tax increase.”
This is a big deal. Prior to this point, the expectation was for Democrats to accommodate the Republican desire to cut tax rates by using the closure of loopholes to raise overall revenue or at least keep the reform revenue-neutral. This would have worked for about the first five minutes after the deal, and then Congress would go back to its usual practice of carving out tax breaks for selected interest groups, defeating the purpose of base-broadening. That’s what happened with the 1986 tax reform; eventually, the loopholes worked their way back into the system. Schumer basically called BS on this today. He said that rates could not be dropped, and that Democrats would not maintain the fiction that lower rates would lead to higher revenue.
I believe what Schumer meant by “freezing” the top two income tax rates is that he would freeze them at the level after the expiration of the Bush tax cuts above $250,000. Schumer voted for the successfully passed bill in the Senate that allowed those rates to expire.
This is a major blow against Bowles-Simpson, which cut tax rates as low as 23% for the top earners, dependent on the elimination of certain tax expenditures. It also lobs a volley in the direction of Dick Dubrin, part of the “Gang of Eight” of Democrats and Republicans which has been working on a grand bargain that included rate-lowering, base-broadening tax reform. Schumer typically speaks for the Senate Democratic leadership, and he’s basically calling that kind of tax reform a dead letter.
But there’s a giant caveat to all of this, based on the excerpts (haven’t yet found the full speech):
But he says that Republicans should be drawn to such a deal by the prospect of a bipartisan bargain that also includes changes to improve the sustainability of entitlement programs. Those programs – such as Social Security and Medicare – are expected to run substantial shortfalls in the future, adding dramatically to budget deficits.
“The lure for Republicans to come to the table around a grand bargain should be the potential for serious entitlement reform, not the promise of a lower top rate in tax reform,” Mr. Schumer is expected to say, according to excerpts of his speech.
So Schumer wants to trade unworkable “tax reform” for deeply unpopular “entitlement reform.” That’s not really a great trade. It’s good to acknowledge that tax reform will never work the way its most passionate advocates suggest. But if that doesn’t exist as a “get” for Republicans in a grand bargain, and entitlement cuts are the substitute, we have a whole different problem.
I would humbly suggest that there’s no reason for a grand bargain, rejecting Schumer’s premise entirely, especially amidst a global slowdown where fiscal supports continue to be necessary.
UPDATE: I think Atrios makes a fairly strong point here. Yes, Republican tendencies on a grand bargain trend toward giving loot to Wall Street through privatization or giving loot to the rich through tax cuts. The only GOP tampering with social insurance programs over the last decade was to add a prescription drug program to Medicare (albeit one that involved a form of privatization through stopping bargaining for lower prices and enhancing Medicare Advantage, the private alternative to Medicare). They ran ads in 2010 assailing Democrats for cutting Medicare. They care more about the tax cuts and the privatization than anything else. The chances of no grand bargain at all definitely increase with this move by Schumer.
The power play against Durbin – his roommate in Washington – is fascinating.





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Alphas don’t need Medicare and Social Security, and Alphas rule. Read “Brave New World” – a 1931 prediction of today.
All the important people agree: we need to cut Social Security to pay for our wars and bailouts.
Of course it’s stupid and evil. But pushing those kind of policies is how you get to be an important person.
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I’ve found Schumer has a tendency to obfuscate similar to Obama, or most other leading Democrats for that matter. Sets up one set of expectations and votes the opposite. An avatar indeed.
Schumer ended with saying he isn’t taking raising the retirement age off the table.
If anything, this calls for lowering the retirement age of every evil bought-and-paid-for corporate tool in Washington who votes for this.
Vote as many of them out on November 6th as you can.
With Romney and 51 votes in the Senate what Schumer says doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.
I guess the Democrats just don’t want my vote (in a swing state)?
Ok if that’s they way it goes then I will have to trust Romney that he won’t make any changes for 10 years and by then the rest of the baby boom will be retired.
A much better deal.
Would I be going out on a limb if I said that Chuck is Wall Street’s b*tt boy?
Somebody can remove my ill-advised post just above–thanks, and apologies to anyone it might offend.
I’m afraid that one we are going to lose. If Germany does it, we will too.
Which one was that?
Who cares if tax rates for the rich remain the same but deductions are closed or if deductions remain but rates go up?
In the end we need a plan that gets more money from the rich I would prefer a simple plan because the simpler the plan the more easy it is to enforce for example no tax deductions of any kind or we could limit tax deductions to only $10,000 dollars per person.
Schumer wants
After a year or two Chuck would raise tons of cash as the rich all start lobbying to bring back their tax deductions Chuck’s plan is Great for Chuck but does not help reduce the debt long term.
You also get to be a very important person by lying. I almost thought that schumer was going to make sense. Those of us who oppose giving the tax breaks to the rich and “closing loopholes” and who oppose cutting (or slashing) the social safety net payouts will never be forgiven. We will always be dismissed as being “right for the wrong reasons.” IOW, we were just lucky or misread reality and have no understanding of the world. Sort of like sandra day o’conner saying that we need to be educated up to her level or we don’t understand the greatness of scotus decisions.
Schumer lies.
Generally speaking, Open Secrets offers a pretty good insight into who’s got their hooks in the deepest.
No.
And I’m not offended by what you said.
I can’t stop myself. When I see the word deficit it drives me bonkers. The deficit is utterly meaningless. We can always afford to pay deficits. The real problem is we have all bought into the austerity pushed on us by the elites. And can you ever guess why?
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From the NYTimes piece.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/10/us/politics/in-speech-schumer-will-reject-idea-of-tax-code-overhaul.html
Terrible. Better I say that than what I really think.
Cool. It might have been construed as anti-gay, and I am not. Further reason if needed that ad hom stuff is rarely if ever the way to go.
In the end both candidates plan to cut entitlements. Pick one. And it will never come back.
bluedot12, I have to disagree slightly. Here in the BearCountry home, we have never bought into the austerity model in spite of the constant Wurlitzer playing at its greatest volume. Nothing has been done actually try to get the economy properly operating again. The few little crumbs thrown to us were supposed to make us feel that those inside the beltway were actually trying to solve our problems. In reality, they are willing to let us die by withdrawing help in terms of paying for our care. There is never any discussion of getting out of all of our military commitments. We have to keep feeding that machine ever increasing pockets full of money.
Quite agree. Get prepared cuz the one from Column A or the other one from Column B will both commence the plundering of Soc Sec & Medicare once one of
the crooks‘em “wins.”CYA – - every middle class worker is about to get hit with higher SS age retirement and less medicare.
Dean Baker has posted this on HuffPo regarding Obama’s mistaken move to cut SS:
Again, I have to disagree slightly. You say “…both candidates…” while I say the two uniparty candidates. To say both indicates that there is no other choice; I have a choice, and I choose Jill Stein. Other than rhetorical presentations, the two uniparty candidates present no reason to vote for either, since the outcome for us is the same. Throwing my vote into either of those two pots means my vote is valueless. Voting for Jill Stein shows my vote counts for something.
Prolly not much disagreement. I,am referring mostly to the idea that bc of deficits we have to tighten our belt and cut some programs, including SSMM. Too many people buy into that. And it is wrong.
Heh. Suspect I am starting to move your way.
Works for me.
That Shumer is a typical Democratic political whore certainly won’t raise any eyebrows.
The big problem with all of this is that as Bush III can’t be arsed being president to all those ungrateful, filthy little oiks any more and is throwing the race to his party comrade Mitt, the coming rebalancing of Uniparty seat allocations will make Dick’s wranglings irrelevant.
It’s already at 67 for most baby boomers.
Raise it to 70 so people can spend 20 years unemployed?
It’s called genocide.
David,
I am EXTREMELY dubious about your theory that when Schumer says “freeze the top two tax rates” he actually means “let them go higher and then freeze them”. So basically, he’s offering up cuts in SS/Medicare in exchange for not cutting the Billionaire rates further. FFS.
Also, have you noticed that it’s October and not one “Democrat” has moved to extend Unemployment benefits? This unemployed person sure has. Yep, over 8% unemployment for the fourth straight year (never more than two consecutive years, post-WW2, before this) and the “Democrats” don’t give the slightest fraction of a sh*t.
(In contrast, last year Obama introduced the “American Jobs Act”, including UI extensions, on September 8th…a month earlier than now.)
Pity Schumer couldn’t have spoken about that. But all we get from him is “no more tax cuts…for now. Maybe.” F*ck him.