The US got a good retail sales number for September today, which portends a decent holiday shopping season. But even this indicator led to forecasters predicting a sluggish 1.6% GDP growth for the third quarter. And with electronics up 4.5% for the month, we could simply be seeing an iPhone 5-generated sugar high.
This slow growth is expected to continue into 2013, which should serve as a reminder that the next President, whether an Obama second term or a Romney first term, will find a stuttering economy for much of their first year.
Economists foresee only tepid growth for the coming year, with unemployment back above 8 percent for the first half of 2013 [...]
The 44 economists surveyed now see gross domestic product — the value of all goods and services produced in the United States — rising just 1.9 percent in 2012 before reaching a 3 percent pace by the fourth quarter of next year.
Employment growth is forecast to weaken. The panel predicts that the unemployment rate will rise to 8.1 percent by the end of the year. The economy should add an average of 125,000 jobs per month during the fourth quarter, down from the economists’ May forecast of 190,000 jobs.
When that rate rises back up – including on November 2, the next jobs survey, delivered four days before the election – could impact the polls.
Basically, the economists report that housing is a bright spot (again, it’s a bright spot for the banks, and most of the price rise can be attributed to a drop of actual homes for sale), while manufacturing will struggle amid a global slowdown, and consumer spending will remain weak.
And of course, there’s the fiscal slope, including the guaranteed drag on growth from the expiration of the payroll tax cut, which should cut 1% from GDP in 2013.
The problem here is that the political class has become so confused about the fiscal slope and its impact for growth that they still seem to think that excessive DEFICITS will cause the slow recovery, when deficits are largely responsible for whatever recovery we’re getting. This is the legacy of a Democratic President who constantly harps on the need to get deficits under control; it’s very easy for the average American to associate the economy with the deficit in counter-productive ways. The whole point of the fiscal cliff is that it would eliminate the deficit too quickly, and crash the economy. You would think this could act as a teachable moment. But instead you have a Republican Presidential nominee criticizing the Democrats for cutting spending, and both parties pointing fingers at each other for cutting defense spending, and yet the true story of deficits and a depressed economy never emerges.




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I wonder whether weak but steady economic growth is preferable to how better employment numbers are reached than in the Clinton or W years. Those economies surged because of bubbles, and evaporated with attendant pain. This economy might not be dependent on a bubble (if the stock market isn’t already in that state).
A-yep.
Ironically enough, as weak as the US economy is, it’s in much better shape than the austerity-mad economies of Europe. It also helps that China is killing two birds with one stone by directing much of its big-ticket wind and solar equipment production towards domestic uses instead of exporting it all. The Chinese are thus creating price supports and working to solve China’s massive pollution problems.
The Clinton surpluses reflected a bubble, but until 97 or 98 the economy was essentially getting the benefit of a Peace Dividend, extremely low gasoline prices, and falling interest rates. The tech bubble was only right at the end of his administration, helped immensely by Greenspan and general madness of crowds. You couldn’t walk through an airport in 1999 and 2000 without seeing people’s eyes glued to MSNBC.
The real problem then and now was overemphasis on private consumption as the demand support for full employment. The real needs are in the public sphere, but that’s off limits, which means people will keep chasing the bubble.
I think Obama’s lack of enthusiasm for getting re-elected is due to the fact that he knows the economy is going to tank early in his second term (if he is re-elected), mainly because of his own policies. He won’t own up to his incompetence, but he must feel it just the same. If he is re-elected, he will go down as one of the worse, if not the worse non-criminally insane President ever.
Mike Konczal over at the Next New Deal has a recent article over at The American Prospect on the prospects and benefits of pursuing full employment policies. See http://prospect.org/article/full-employment-best-social-program
We need for Democrats to get away from the neoliberal agenda of being pro-business and return to the roots of the New Deal Full Employment Politics and high wages as exemplified by Hubert Humphrey.
I agree with a lot of this, especially repairing the hemorrhaging of public sector jobs which would do a lot to improve the employment situation. The dot-com bubble, though, was the equivalent of a stimulus with VC and stock market money. It employed lots of people who wound up producing nearly nothing.
Assuming the MOTU have eyes and can see that austerity has never worked in the history of civilized Man the second reDEpression is baked in the cake. Again if 2000 was the false choice of who would you rather have a beer with then 2012 is who would you rather get fired by? Austerity for all the muppets and continued expansion of the portfolios of the uber wealthy.
I’m certainly seeing a big slow-down in the part-time, private sector job I have worked in for the past 15 years, fwiw. Generally, we have a small bump up in Sept/Oct. This year?? Nada. If anything it’s slowed down since the dull summer months. I don’t see it getting better any time soon, and my friends who work full-time for this company are really suffering. Our limited low “pay” is very much based on getting certainly commissions, which, when the numbers are down, the commissions are down, too.
Similarly I work in the legal industry full-time (lucky for me, in a relatively “safe” job… insofar as anything is “safe” these days), and there are several articles today about how business has come to an almost screeching halt lately – after higher numbers earlier this year – and more lay-offs are predicted in law firms big and small.
I don’t think 2013 is gonna be a good year, no matter who wins, bc neither “branch” of the UniParty wants to do what’s necessary to breath some life into the workforce via FDR style public works projects.
So whoever “wins” essentially loses, but if RMoney happens to “win,” the so-called LIEbrul media will definitely LIE and spin it somehow that RMoney’s doing the bestest job EVAH!!!! woot! Doncha wanna lift weights with Paul R-Ayn??
The main difference will be that if Rmoney wins he will enjoy the suffering and if Obama wins he will be sad about the suffering.
Romney isn’t concerned about the poor, they have a safety net. But, he wants to put a big hole in the middle so many will fall through but that’s the republican philosophy. The one’s who can hold on, they’ll appreciate it more and be motivated to “move on up”, get a job, get off welfare.
The real problem people are the lower middle class. The one’s just barely keeping their heads above water. These are the people who are pillaged by the filty rich and filtier richer. They’ve been drained of all valuable assets, and the middle middle class is next. And that’s ME. I’m making less than I was 20 years ago, wife is working 2 days a week at best. If I didn’t have a rent home to help out, I couldn’t afford the very modest home I bought last year when wifey and I both had FT jobs. We don;t eat out much anymore, and drive a ’96 and a ’04 model Nissan.
Hey I’m a ’97 and ’04 and I know most people in my neighborhood are in my neighborhood wealth wise. Not planning remodels anymore or first class vacations. That tipping point the Stein talks about is happening after this election and then I hope it becomes the turning point she wants it to be or the future for my kids will be very uncertain because these current set of rich guys handle the economy the same way they handle say deepwater drilling.
I hear you!
I am among the “lucky” who are doing “ok,” but who knows what will happen tomorrow?
I have a number of friends who are in your position, whereby, although they are working AND are very very frugal, they are just barely keeping their heads above water. The friends I am thinking of have never been extravagent; in fact, I’ve picked up some good frugal habits from them.
One friend rents out rooms in her house (which she bought many years ago & has a low interest mortgage), works full-time, plus has a part-time job, and she’s STILL struggling to barely make it. This person, however, is *likely* to vote for RMoney, so go figure…
But you know me: I don’t see Obama as being any much better.
As Dylan so eloquently put it: “A Hard Rain’s Gonna Fall…” either way we look at it.
IMO, what I see is that things have to get much much worse (sad to say) before citizens wake up, smell the coffee that’s been strongly brewing for decades, and be willing to do something about this mess… rather than compliantly & obediently wait for “Big Daddy” to fix it.
I’m having a bad feeling that 2013 may our unlucky year where things really slide deeper in depression. I’d love to be wrong, but…
My experience is that we need sustained 4%-5% growth in the economy before anything trickles down to the middle-class. And that just allows people to maintain the standard of living they already have, barring any major health issues or college tuition expenditures.
David is doing a good job of reporting information that will prove you right IMO. Neither O or R have proposed solutions that they can implement in our current political structure so failure of our economy is unavoidable. Europe will continue to delay the fall of the Euro but again there is no solution on the table other than austerity for the masses. If you have a town of 10,000 people and 1000 are out of work and the economy is suffering cutting spending that puts 500 more people out of work will not be a successful stimulus. It’s might be how to run a business but it can’t be how to run a society.
Agreed. 2-3 years before it genuinely gets better. So many local and state govt employees out of work here. Lots of teachers too. And Texas is doing better than a lot of places.
I got no faith at all in either party to do what it takes.
You guys want to see how bad the middle class is doing. Look at the NASCAR races. What used to be completely full stadiums for the last ten races of the year, now they are half full or even less. Never been like that in my lifetime at Dover, Charlotte, Talladega, Atlanta. NEVER.
Mitt says once you spend all your money on fancy raincoats there is nothing left for tickets. Not just NASCAR but that is very symbolic of the way we are headed. The owners are counting on die hard fans but if the fans die it will be hard on the owners.
Interesting.
Totally not intersted in NASCAR, myself, but that’s certainly an economic indicator, isn’t it? Wonder what the vendors & owners think about that? Are they happy with how the country is being run into the ground?
As we’ve said for year: keep diminishing the Middle Class, and then what? Who’s gonna buy the stuff or attend things?
As for NASCAR, the wealthy or most of those who manage to cling to middle class status by their fingernails… they’re mostly not NASCAR fans.
NCG: has anyone else commented on this big drop in NASCAR attendance? Like any of the bigger vendors and/or drivers?? Would be interesting to know that.
Here’s my “safety” net: I get $899 a month after Medicare is deducted. Food stamps are a big $25 a month. In the summer I get $20 in vouchers to buy vegetables at a farmers’ market. After I have paid $2200 in school and property taxes, gotten official receipts, and filled out special forms, Pennsylvania will send me a refund of $1000 six months later. Which, if I don’t need glasses or a dentist or car repairs, I can then put towards my next taxes. Whoopee. And to conservatives out there: I do not have a smartphone, a giant wall TV or drive a Cadillac.
I guess that explains why it costs $1.30 to buy one euro>