I have no reason to doubt that Mitt Romney’s math purporting to show how he’ll create 12 million jobs is bogus.
First of all, the studies on which the figure is based have longer timelines than the first term, which is the assumed time frame for the job creation. Romney’s claim of 7 million jobs created from his tax plan (and it’s a claim with little basis in reality) is based on a ten-year timeline. The 3 million jobs created from oil and gas drilling is based on an eight-year timeline, and derived from policies already adopted. And anyway, 12 million jobs created over the next four years approaches the baseline expectation for job creation under current policy.
That said, it sounds suspiciously like a plan. We sadly don’t have a media that disqualifies candidates for using bogus math or flawed studies (though Romney skirts that line). We do have a public which has waited patiently for the economy to improve. Though consumer confidence has ticked up, as well as the outlook for the economic future, the public still expects candidates for Presidents to have some plan, especially when there remains a fragility to the economic picture.
And it’s here, not in the listlessness or taking of notes, where Obama fell down during the first debate. He didn’t offer much of an actual plan for the future. Indeed, he has trimmed his sails and rolled up most of the ambitions from the first term. He can talk about the futility of Mitt Romney’s plans, but he has decided to massively under-promise, in line with some lesson learned about Washington and its challenges. The Obama plan for a sick economy doesn’t offer anything voters can grab onto.
Obama campaign officials insist that they have an agenda. They want to create a million new manufacturing jobs, hire 100,000 new math and science teachers, and require the rich to pay a bit more in taxes to protect our most important public investments.
Sorry, but I don’t buy it. The guy who ran in 2008 to change, well, almost everything, isn’t enduring the grind of another presidential campaign to give the manufacturing sector a modest push. Obama hasn’t forgotten his more ambitious goals on climate change or campaign finance reform or the American Jobs Act. He has just stopped mentioning them.
As I wrote last week, Elizabeth Warren’s consistent invocations of the American Jobs Act appear to have served her well in her race in Massachusetts. That’s not quite an example of the country at large, but the disappearance of the only concrete near-term jobs plan from the President’s toolkit is nothing short of remarkable. He likely doesn’t feel it can pass, and indeed he seems poised to let the only part of it that got through – the payroll tax cut – expire. This alleged pragmatism has left the public extremely cold on whether the President has any ideas left. He certainly didn’t show much of them in that first debate.
The Obama campaign to date has entirely looked outward, focusing on Romney’s programs, Romney’s plans, Romney’s ideas. Small wonder that the public got the message on who has programs, plans and ideas, and it just took a little ju-jitsu from Romney to cobble together with spit and paper clips an image of competence.
Maybe you think that Obama’s record is worth running on, or maybe not. Politically speaking, there are ways to run on either of those scenarios, either touting successes or castigating a do-nothing Congress and offering a vision and a plan. Democrats appear to have gotten Republican primary debate disease. They laugh and point at the spectacle, without remembering that you have to give people something to believe in.
It’s best if you run for political office on a record and an agenda. In the absence of either, even a distorted record and a fuzzy agenda will start to look good.




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Hmmm, an “actual agenda”.
Do tell.
Let’s see, how long is it until the election?
Not very long.
What did that recent Obama advert urge …?
Oh, yes!
“Get started!”
Yeppers, a “distorted record and a fuzzy agenda will start to look good.”
Is that conventional wisdom?
Or all Obama has “got”?
It is just a crying shame that there are no rational alternatives to the “lameness and sameness” of Obama and the “sameness and lameness” of Romney, now isn’t it?
And, just think, there are many reasons, compelling reasons, insurmountable reasons … as well as “practical” and “pragmatic” reasons or “reasons”, why this is “so” …
Not to mention that little thing about “governing” without the INFORMED consent of the governed … that little, itty bitty thing about the actual legitimacy … about a political system, a “government”, rife with corruption, abuse, and neglect.
Ah, well … we DO have the best political class that money can buy, the VERY best “government” which money, in the “Homeland”, can buy.
That is … “something” … one must suppose?
Amidst a whole lot of nothing.
Thank you, DDay.
May you bring us good news tomorrow?
And better news the next day?
Your efforts are appreciated. Although, one imagines, that you are getting rather disgusted, likely as “well” and as truly … as the rest of us?
DW
Imagine if Obama actually had a different viewpoint of the country and its future than Romney? Now that wld be some debate but tonite its the republican vs republican lite and most people normally choose the real thing. Also, what few people want to talk about in the media is the lack of enthusiasm for Obama in the hood. Drove thru there the other day and counted just two Obama signs and one was at an Obama headquarters. I predict a long nite for Obama on election day.
And we started off so REALLY WEll. Washingtron, Jefferson, Madison, The Constitution, amendments, lots of them, Tippecanoe and Tyler too, Lincoln, Teddy and FD Roosevelt, Truman, Civil Rights, Camelot, and we even got through the Reagan era.
Then the shit hit the fan. MIC and the 1% now run the country and own the government lock, stock and barrell. We voted for “Hope and Change” and got screwed.
Missed it by that much.
More bluntly: Idenitfying a reason why anyone should vote for him.
Pragmatism used to be about getting things done, but this is the New Pragmatism: Don’t even try to get a damn thing done, then proclaim that that’s as good as it gets.
Er, isn’t O’s plan for term 2 The Grand Bargain. That’s a plan. It’s a crappy ass plan, but it *is* a plan.
Jobs plans = kabuki bullshit.
Our future: lower wages, more part timers, fewer benefits. McTurd jobs, for short.
The Democrats in general, and Obama in particular, seem to be running on the platform: “Vote for us because we’re not as evil as the Republicans.” Because that worked so well for them in 2010, apparently.
No argument using logic and math will make any difference now.
Emotion rules the day….
If Mr. Obama can instill good emotions again, like his first campaign, he will win.
Emotional decisions almost always, always trump logic and emperical evidence with humans throughout history, and through individual lifetimes.
Nearly any position can be backed up now with an “institute study”, so logic and observational evidence are even weaker.
Mr Obama, don’t use much time pointing out such logical and mathematical weaknesses, or past use of similar choices by republicans…..tap into the emotion power please.
Sure, they can create the environment to spur job growth, but if those jobs are minimum wage, and part-time, in what sense is anyone better off?
A country full of wage-slaves is exactly what China has now.
Obama needs to let Mitt talk the more liars talk without being interrupted the more they lie.
Second pick an issue like Abortion that Mitt’s voters feel strongly about his lies
Third attack by showing that Mitt has been on both sides of the issue.
Fourth insult Mitt’s voters by saying we disagree on abortion Yes but with me you know where you stand. I find it sad that Republicans are so Desperate to get rid of me that they would sacrifice one of their core principles just to beat me.
If Mitt does beat me just what guarantee do anti Abortion voters have that Mitt will not double cross them?
Its your vote don’t be stupid.
On Jobs Mitt claims tax cuts for the rich will produce jobs during the Bush and Obama years the rich had a tax cut so where are the jobs?
Mitt says cutting government spending will create jobs Obama needs to point out just how much government spending England has cut and how many jobs have been created.
Then Obama needs to say I am Man enough to admit when I was wrong when confronted with Real World facts. Bush tried tax cuts I tried tax cuts we have created hardly any jobs tax cuts obviously don’t work, cutting government spending obviously doesn’t work.
It time to tax the rich like FDR did and create jobs like FDR did.
FORWARD to REBUILD AMERICA ! Vote for Rombama and then go fuck yerself you people. Damn muppets.
I think a new slogan would help, too. Something like, ‘The Future Lies Ahead.’ (Mort Saul, but who remembers)
This debate is the TownHall format Obama does his best in this format if he blows this one we might as well all buy guns in preparation for President Mitt.
And “Put yer past in yer behind” Timon :)
Seems to me this debate is really a contest between Obama channeling defeated MA Senate candidate Martha Coakley vs. Romney channeling former VP Quayle.
Coakley v Quayle.
Awesome.
old dude, @8
You’ve a much dimmer view of human beings than I, old dude.
My three score and five, have suggested that we are not wise to sell ourselves so cheaply to the political class who will sell us down the river with nary a twinge not hint of regret.
Obama has, and promises to do more of the same …
Romney has, and promises to do more of the same …
Both believe in the power of money and the money of power.
Both embrace the notion of a unitary executive and, therefore, a President who may kill anyone, anywhere, and at any time it so pleases the President, quite without due process … no NO emotional appeal will cause me to look upon these things with either pleasure or acceptance.
You suggest, it appear, that Obama act like his hero, Ronald Reagan, who very successfully did just what you suggest.
Let us consider our world and our “relationship” to it … we are making it likely that our planet will, all too soon, not be able to provide for our existence.
Presumably, the political class may persuade us or our emotions to be “good”, to be happy, to be content with that?
You suggest that logic and reason are, essentially, dead to us, of no earthly or reasonable, rational use to us.
Have you no children or grandchildren?
Consider what you so blithely wish upon them?
Some urge Obama to moral “stands” and the articulation of “standards”, you implore him to appeal to our emotions, that is to fear, to hope, to faith …
Do you include love, compassion … since you cannot claim to be asking him to seek understanding or conscience, patience or principle.
You “road map”, old dude, is no longer trusted, for trust has been squandered, sneered at, and lost.
You hope that Obama can change the dynamic he has so assiduously sought, the IMPRESSION of “progress”, of “standing” for the substance of transparency, of the ring of truth and justice … when what has been “delivered” is deceit, continuing mayhem and an unwillingness to combat criminal acts, whether of torture, fraud, or the deliberate destruction of the well-being of millions, both here and abroad …
Obama now, is “set” to reap what he has sown, whether he “wins” or whether he loses … no one of conscience expects much of him, except empty phrases and meaningless promises, more killing, more lying, more excusing the inexcusable.
Obama has, like Bush, like Clinton, and the Bush before him, brought this nation low and in even lower repute.
Appeals to unthinking emotion, for that is what you propose, are the stuff of charlatans, criminals, tyrants, thugs, and all other “sellers” of snake oil and empty-headed “magic”.
However, perhaps such “appeal” is all that Obama truly doth possess.
DW
Can’t imagine the trancendental meditational skills required to sit through that debate. I think the Dali Lama would throw a tomato. :)
Best “bumper sticker slogan” of this election season, Knut!
May it go viral!
;~DW
“Actual agenda? after 4 failed years still looking for an agenda?that’s easy, let me tell you:
1)Wreck of SS.
2)Medicare cuts
3)Rising tax rates.
4)Diminishing middle class.
5)Maximize outsourcing.
6)Taxes and penalties for Obamalosi care law.
7) Protection of Wall Street.
8)Playing golf and basketball a lot.( lame duck price).
9)No help for job creation.
10)Blame others for 4 failed years as president.
Ah, now, that was the “domestic” agenda, robertg, and I thank you.
Have you a similar list of foreign “policy” achievements to go along with that stellar and admirable accounting, above?
DW
The Big O is really no difference from the big R. Either way, we the people (99%) will be taking on the chin. Vote third party!!!
Willard needs to be asked if he belives in global warming.
Glen Beck this morning was shooting down the global warming “crackpots” and pushing for more drill, drill, drill. Given Beck is Willard’s propoganda minister this segues in with Willard’s “energy independence” plan to burn more coal, drill ANWAR, etc.
Someone might point out to Willard we just had the warmest summer on record. Might be a chance to let Willard be creative with his lies.
Voting for either R or O is just like voting for a raise for your fabulously wealthy boss and agreeing that some of that raise can come out of your pay.
Remember DW that Obama is carrying out Dick Cheney’s energy plan:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-215_162-57458911/obamas-carrying-out-dick-cheneys-energy-plan/
It will never happen. The debates are about as spontaneous as WWE matches.
Obama’s hoping he gets re-elected anyway, and the Republican Congress prevails.
“If we don’t change course soon, we’re gonna end up where we going.”
Professor Irwin Corey
How many can we pick??????
Obama’s campaign strategy from the get go was to run an entirely negative campaign against Romney. He has no agenda for turning the country around for the 99% er’s and never has. His only interest is protecting the status quo for the wealthy oligarchs. Given the economic conditions that we’re living under this election is worse than pathetic. Anybody who believes in Obama as the lesser evil is part of the problem.
Stein and Honkala arrested at debate!
Of course, but large portions of the readership here are mesmerized by his suave voice.
http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/phillynow/2012/10/16/green-party-ticket-to-rush-tonight%E2%80%99s-debate-are-prepared-for-arrests/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=green-party-ticket-to-rush-tonight%25e2%2580%2599s-debate-are-prepared-for-arrests
When watching the performances this evening (good luck — I haven’t the stomach for it) just remember how deeply the cynical narcissist con game runs: The more “likable” of the two assholes performing doesn’t return the public’s sentiment, as confirmed by adviser Neera Tanden. I’d say his disdain for real human beings was pretty obvious from day one. (She has since tweeted an apology that she only meant that Obama is a “private person” — some pretty comical backtracking even by current clown parade standards.)
h/t Glenn Greenwald:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/former-aide-obama-stunning-he-s-politics-because-he-really-doesn-t-people_654636.html
Stein has had my vote for months. Obama had my support for not more than 2 months.
Is this what you are referring to, BS?
http://blogs.philadelphiaweekly.com/phillynow/2012/10/16/green-party-ticket-to-rush-tonight%E2%80%99s-debate-are-prepared-for-arrests/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=green-party-ticket-to-rush-tonight%25e2%2580%2599s-debate-are-prepared-for-arrests
Note video at bottom of article.
DW
Note video at bottom of article.
DW
I saw video posted at Green Party Watch of Stein and Honkala arrested at Hoftsra.
Here’s a youtube clip of the arrest.