Anyone hoping to see an end to our policies of encouraging the burning of fossil fuels certainly winced at the energy section of last night’s debate, which did not mention climate change but did feature both candidates trying to convince the country that they would deliver more coal and oil-based domestic energy.
The debate was focused entirely on the turf of the fossil fuel burners, with President Obama making only glancing references to renewables.
The question that prompted this, about the government and gas prices, began from a faulty premise:
QUESTION: Your energy secretary, Steven Chu, has now been on record three times stating it’s not policy of his department to help lower gas prices. Do you agree with Secretary Chu that this is not the job of the Energy Department?
It’s not the policy of the Energy Department to help lower gas prices, because that would be impossible for a US Energy Department to accomplish. Gas prices are set by global demand. For all the boasting from President Obama about “increas[ing] oil production to the highest levels in 16 years,” gas prices have risen and fallen precisely in line with global demand. It doesn’t matter whether we get energy independent or “North American energy independent” or whatever. Obama obliquely referenced this at one point in the debate, rebutting an attack line from Romney about where gas prices were at the start of his Administration:
OBAMA: Well, think about what the governor — think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression, as a consequence of some of the same policies that Governor Romney’s now promoting.
So, it’s conceivable that Governor Romney could bring down gas prices because with his policies, we might be back in that same mess.
That doesn’t fully connect that, in recession-like conditions, demand plummets. And that determines the price.
And at every point, the focus fell on more drilling, more mining, and more fracking. Obama said that oil production is up, natural gas has boomed, and coal mining employment has increased. That’s all true, even oil production on federally leased lands, where Romney weirdly set the dividing line (oil production on federal land or privately owned land remains oil, as far as I can tell). But why would burning more coal (even the mythical “clean coal,” which got a shout-out from the President) or oil be desirable? The President did try to turn the conversation to renewables, but only after a very long contest over who would burn more fossil fuels:
OBAMA: So, I’m all for pipelines. I’m all for oil production. What I’m not for is us ignoring the other half of the equation. So, for example, on wind energy, when Governor Romney says “these are imaginary jobs.” When you’ve got thousands of people right now in Iowa, right now in Colorado, who are working, creating wind power with good-paying manufacturing jobs, and the Republican senator in that — in Iowa is all for it, providing tax breaks to help this work and Governor Romney says, “I’m opposed. I’d get rid of it.”
That’s not an energy strategy for the future. And we need to win that future. And I intend to win it as President of the United States.
Romney replied to this by saying he “appreciate wind jobs in Iowa.” He does oppose extending the production tax credit for wind, which would decimate the burgeoning wind industry.
One other point I wanted to make. There was this long confrontation over federal lease permits for oil drilling. The fact that we had a rig explode in the Gulf of Mexico and pollute that ecosystem for decades on never entered into this conversation. But the President did put forward this concept of “use it or lose it.” Again, there was one thing missing:
ROMNEY: In the last four years, you cut permits and licenses on federal land and federal waters in half.
OBAMA: Not true, Governor Romney.
ROMNEY: So how much did you cut (inaudible)?
OBAMA: Not true.
ROMNEY: How much did you cut them by, then? [standoffish confrontation, and then...]
OBAMA: Here’s what happened. You had a whole bunch of oil companies who had leases on public lands that they weren’t using. So what we said was you can’t just sit on this for 10, 20, 30 years, decide when you want to drill, when you want to produce, when it’s most profitable for you. These are public lands. So if you want to drill on public lands, you use it or you lose it.
It’s actually more insidious than that. One way that oil companies promote themselves to shareholders is by describing the amount of “proven reserves” they own. This in turn gooses their stock price. The more federal leases oil companies sit on, the more proven reserves they can tout to shareholders, and the more their stock increases. That’s why two-thirds of leased land sits idle. That’s the scam that “use it or lose it” seeks to prevent. Of course, this leads to either a) oil companies using the land or b) it reverting back to the government, who seeks to sell it to someone who will. So it ends up ACCELERATING the amount of oil developed.
We do not have anything approaching a consensus on climate change in America, gas prices are a poorly understood swing-voter issue, and the battleground states in elections mostly come from dirty energy-producing states like Ohio. Virginia, a new swing state, has a lot of coal, and under their current Republican legislature they’ve promoted oil drilling for their coastal regions. And that’s why we get this debate: a little talk of renewables, a little talk of energy efficiency (which is a major Obama accomplishment, in terms of fuel efficiency standards), and the rest on who will burn fossil fuels the fastest.
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I cringe every time I hear Obama utter that oxymoron, “clean coal.”
Coal is (mostly) carbon. It isn’t physically clean. And, worse yet, when it burns, it turns to the greenhouse gas, CO2 (aka, “carbon dioxide).
By contrast, natural gas is only half carbon. It’s physically clean and when it burns, the other half of it turns to water. Still, half of is carbon, and that part contributes to global warming.
We can, however, make “synthetic” natural gas (aka, biogas) in a way that recycles carbon that is already in the atmosphere. But, biogas is still too expensive to produce in the volumes that we need.
America’s servitude to energy interests is no different than the slave’s servitude to the master. Profit at life’s expense is a most regressive tax, which left unabated is a death sentence.
Obama never did give a straight answer to that man’s question.
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This whole hullabaloo goes back to February of this year and he had the same non-response.
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And when neither candidate even attempts in humor to give a straight answer to a “debate” question, we don’t have a hope in hell of change for the better.
President Barack Obama…making sure that he doesn’t rock the corporate boat…
Even if the boat is named “Titanic”.
Energy price is tied to Global demand so domestic supply has little pr4essure on cost except when our inadequate refinery system breaks then Big Carbon can skin us at the pumps. Naked Capitalism has a piece Myths of Affordable Energy http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/10/the-myth-of-affordable-energy-interview-with-ed-dolan.html Global warming is still not a political issue!
Did either of those 2 empty suits even discuss the Royalties that BigOil pays (or doesn’t) for the oil that’s drilled out of YOUR and MY natural resources? Or that the BigMines pay (or don’t) for coal dug out of YOUR and MY natural resources??
NO? Didn’t think so.
Did either of those 2 empty suits discuss how most of the Oil currently drilled & refined here is shipped overseas to be sold elsewhere? Whilst idiotic citizens are fed bullshit LIES about how Team USA Fuck Yeah! so desparate for Oil that we need to Drill, baby, Drill???
NO? Didn’t think so.
Just what I thought: 2 rich entitled Liars standing around lying…
It’s “All of the Above baby” but mostly “clean” (I’m not shittin you) Coal, “safe” (I’m not shittin you) nuclear and “non-polluting” (I’m not shittin you) fracking for gas, and last but not least unregulated but safe deepwater oil drilling (I’m not shittin you)…… O.K. I’m shittin you.
H E M P is the answer.
onitgoes @ #6: nor do they discuss the lifetimes of environmental damage inflicted on people and costs to taxpayers long after the global corps have reaped (raped) their profits and moved on…
My God author. You are so brilliant. Yes, it is Obama’s fault. I mean, let’s look at history. We citizens refused to stand and fight, refused to put on uniforms to win a future for our kids in WWII, remember? But FDR, rose the the task and WON THE WAR FOR US! He did it. We the people just spectated. Remember? Just two years ago, remember how Wael Ghonim, the google exec, stood and talked, and talked, and talked, while his fellow Egyptians stayed home, risked nothing, ventured nothing, just blamed Mubarak, and all by himself Ghonim prevailed?
Stop whining. Point the finger where it belongs, starting in the mirror, yours, mine, ours. There are 300 million of us, and a fossil fuel industry army bankrolled by $40 trillion in fossil fuel reserves. Rise us up, body and soul, to fight for the future of humanity, all 300 million of we Americans, or sh*t up, get out of the way, and let someone else lead. For God’s sake.
Exactly, guess who is paying for Fukashima? Hint it is not GE or Tepco.
To the late, lamented, James Joyce…JD Rockefeller understood your comment very well. Control the market and create a shortage. How about setting a refinery fire whenever it’s needed to jack-up prices.
But Tony Hayward hung for BP’s preventable catastrophe in our Gulf. Didn’t he?
Oh wait. He went sailing on his private yacht and bitched he was getting any blame.
In the gas hydrofracking energy gold rush one very large energy company XXX XXX has only survived through selling its acquired land leases (purchased from private landowners). A portion of its acquisitions, when sold each year, allows said entity to continue, instead of going belly up for the ponzi scheme it is. At the same time, said energy company donates prodigiously to local, state and Federal politicians and is driving the regulatory approval for what will be a water acquifer polluting gas extraction in the NE USA. Meanwhile the price for natural gas in the USA is very low, incapable of supporting said energy company’s acquisition of leases, hence the yearly sales. Ads for investors are everywhere. Ads for landowners to sell leases also are everywhere on the web.
He suffered psychic pain and now has to ask his boss to get a tee time at Royal St George whereas before he was the boss. So pity party at my Island in Greece if the weather is nice otherwise Rio. And he was forced to publicly say he was sorry some workers died. Let’s move on, FORWARD.
“Gas prices are set by global demand.”
For a country that worships at the altar of capitalism, we are woefully ignorant of its basic tenets.
The price of NG is so low right (and the supply so plentiful) now that the number of wells being drilled is in decline. Companies that that produce the equipment required for gas exploration and production are cutting back production.
Just like ALL the other whiiiiiing 1%ers, who cry & vetch & bitch that the dreadful
slaves99% ain’t kissing their hienies enough whilst strewing rose petals everywhere they go.It’s quite amazing how vastly entitled these narcissitic sociopaths are, and how much they can whinge & cry about how badly they are mis-treated by the ever-so-ungrateful
drekpeonsmoochers99%, who, you know, actually do most of the work that makes these greedy bastards such criminally rich.ptoui!
Exactly. And aren’t there, like, a “boatload” of super-tankers cruising to nowhere with loads & tons of crude on ‘em… in order to drive up prices by keeping supply artifically low??
Sort like how the banks are withholding foreclosed properties from coming onto the market (some in my neighborhood have been vacant for nearly 4 years now) in order to artifically drive up prices…
US citizens are dumb-bunny sheep. I know I’m supposed to be “gracious” or something, but anymore I can’t control my truth-telling.
The banks aren’t trying to drive up prices, they are trying to PROP up prices.
Which should be in free fall as I type when you consider actual reality:
the foreclosure overhang, the millions of unemployed and the coming low, low wages of American workers.
And with regard to natural gas, let’s not forget the dirty fracking…tons of water mixed with carcinogens, vats of dirty water stored in open pits, contaminated water wells, tons of methane, hundreds of truck trips over newly constructed roads to get to the wells, and more.
No energy source is clean. Conservation is fairly clean, but I mainly heard drill, baby, drill last night.
You go first. Sure, go and get arrested (and maybe your head busted), lose your job, go bankrupt, end up homeless, then you might as well call it quits. Thanks for the cowardly advice.
Not to mention illogical and uninformed advice. (Oh I just mentioned it) :)
Always reminded me more of the drug addict/dealer relationship. I didn’t watch this installment of Kabuki Theatre. Did Obama shill for nuclear energy to placate his backers at Exelon?
The energy department does have an effect on supply, because it participates in the biofuels program, which increases supply. That’s at least part of the reason why demand in the U.S. for oil has gone down. By some accounts, too, the existence of biofuels in the system has brought down the price of gas by over $1 a gallon. Energy independence would have an effect on the price of gas, because demand for oil would be reduced even further, assuming you’re talking about cars fueled by electricity, natural gas, or biofuels. If it were possible for the U.S. to become independent through drilling for crude oil, that would have a huge effect on prices, too. The fact that prices went way down because of reduced demand in the recession would seem to be evidence that supply and demand at home does have an effect on prices, the global system notwithstanding.
Gets boring watching reruns of the same old porno flick?
Competition would drive the cost of oil down…
Monopolies have been protected to the detriment of the republic, innovations are buried and cash cow’s profit then use monies extracted to rig a system…
America, is enslaved like a rat in a cage, by design!