But Democrats on Capitol Hill are showing signs of balking at the notion that the payroll tax cut should be sacrificed to help solve the U.S.’s debt problems. Their top objective still remains to force Republicans to accept the expiration of Bush income tax cuts for the rich, while extending middle-class income tax cuts.
“[The payroll tax cut] could potentially be in the mix, just not at the top of the priority list,” said one Democratic aide in the Senate. “There’s not necessarily a big push at this time to extend it . . . in the Senate.”
Chris Van Hollen, the top Democrat on the budget committee in the House of Representatives, told C-SPAN television at the weekend: “I don’t think anyone thinks we should permanently extend the payroll tax cut but, given the situation we’re in, I don’t think that should be taken off the table.”
The substance for this is an unnamed aide who only goes as far as saying it “could potentially be in the mix,” and Chris Van Hollen’s comments on C-SPAN. Van Hollen, as the House Budget Committee ranking member, has value for understanding how the caucus will move as a whole. But even his statement is more about not taking the payroll tax cut off the table, rather than advancing it as a priority.
I ultimately think the payroll tax cut still dies, mainly because it’s a payroll tax cut, and as such is tied to the Social Security trust fund. There’s no specific reason why this has to be so; you could design a refundable tax credit at 2% of income folded into withholding that comes directly out of general revenue, rather than indirectly with the payroll tax cut. That was, in general terms, how the Making Work Pay tax cut from the Recovery Act worked.
But the macroeconomic impact of the payroll tax cut expiring is much greater than the Bush tax cuts expiring, for example. That’s particularly true at the high end. As Laura Tyson and Owen Zidar noted last week, tax cuts at the high end of the income scale do not actually increase economic growth or employment, while broad tax cuts for the lower end of the scale do stimulate the economy.
Lower-income taxpayers spend a higher share of their tax cuts. Many of these taxpayers often have more difficulty borrowing money and tapping into their housing wealth than higher-income individuals. These demand-side forces explain why consumption goes up much more after tax cuts for the bottom 95 percent than after equivalently sized cuts for the top 5 percent. An increase in consumption, which still accounts for about 70 percent of G.D.P., fuels increases in demand, and that leads companies to create more jobs. In survey after survey, businesses confirm that changes in demand are the primary determinant of their employment decisions [...]
Over all, our research shows that tax cuts for the bottom 95 percent are much more effective than tax cuts for the top 5 percent at increasing job creation in the subsequent two years.
Democrats can choose to let go the payroll tax cut as a trade-off, so they can chase the white whale of increasing taxes on the rich. But they do so at a cost to the near-term economy, which in a time of still-high unemployment doesn’t make a ton of sense.





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Way to weaken Old Age, Survivors, Disability Insurance!
Fuck you, Democrats in Congress. Fuck you twice. and your Trojan Horse boss, too.
Lesser of two evils, my ass.
There goes Social Security.
Yeah, that’s right. We can’t have a healthy economy and fund the entitlement programs. Great GOP talking point. Nice going, Dems.
Either it won’t happen because the Democrats won’t really fight for it, or it will happen because the Republicans allowed it in exchange for extending Bush income tax cuts for the filthy rich.
We already know that Democrats are ok with extending income tax cuts for the filthy rich…
Democrats are ok with extending the Bush Income Tax Cuts for the Filthy Rich because they mostly went to the middle class.
Well, that certainly explains why the gap between the income of the 1% and the income and opportunities for the rest of us has decreased so much over the last decade.
not.
Benefits from the Bush/Obama tax cuts
Estimates from the Tax Policy Center. Alternate scenarious are included. My bold)
“The Bush Tax Cuts: If we ignore how the cuts are paid for, who benefits from them?
If the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts were made permanent and the number of taxpayers subject to the alternative minimum tax were held at levels that would have prevailed under pre-2001 law, about 73 percent of tax-filing units would receive a direct tax cut in 2010; that share rises with income, from only 16 percent of units in the bottom income quintile to more than 99 percent in the top quintile. This, however, is not a complete picture of the ultimate impact of the tax cuts, because it does not take into account the tax increases or spending cuts that will eventually be needed to pay for the tax cuts. That accounting is presented in another entry…
The Bush Tax Cuts: If we account for how the cuts are paid for, who benefits from them?
The Bush tax cuts will be financed in the future by some combination of tax increases and spending cuts, but it is impossible to say today what the mix will be. TPC has estimated changes in tax burdens across income groups under a variety of assumptions about how the tax cuts will eventually be paid for. In all of these hypothetical scenarios, two common conclusions emerge: a majority of households are made worse off by the tax cuts, and the net effect of the tax cuts is a transfer of wealth from lower-income households to wealthier households.”
Will Mitt Romney, Who Actually Owns the Black Box Voting Machines, Try to Steal the US presidential election?
Despite the thunderous silence of the media, all signs are pointing towards another neocon-Republican election theft attempt, like the successful ones of 2000 and 2004. One warning sign: The appearance of blatantly fraudulent public opinion polls giving Romney a substantial lead over Obama. While all other polls show that Obama has enough of an edge in the swing states to constitute an electoral-college “firewall,” Gallup’s national polls – using a “likely voter” model that apparently posits an inverse correlation between voting and skin pigmentation – currently give Romney an edge of more than five points in the popular vote.
Why would the Republicans falsify a prominent national poll? To give Romney “momentum,” and create the illusion of plausibility when rigged voting machines hand him a “surprise victory.”
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/10/21/election-fraud-storm-clouds-loom-over-presidential-race/
Please don’t sugar coat it so much.
This simply highlights how utterly bankrupt the democratic thought process is. The only idea they can come up with to invigorate the economy is to poke a hole in their signature achievement of the last 100 years.
No wonder I’m going Green!
I’ts just bad policy, but they like it because most goes to upper-income folks. Better to expand things like EITC.
Somebody has to pay for them.
OT the payroll tax cuts function to break the connection between earned benefits at retirement and payroll taxes paid into the system.
The timing is the worst aspect of this: They plan to make 4 trillion in their Grand Bargain, so it is a great time to imply that SS is not paying its own way. Even though SS is solvent out to 2039 or thereabouts and can still pay 75% of benefits after that if no changes are made.
The point of the Grand Bargain is to force us to pay for the Federal deficit through cutting our programs.
One way they do that is by applying reductions in “implicit debts” of future Social Security obligations, to the Unified Budget that covers the entire Federal Government. So cuts to SS have a double effect. They ruin the best social program we have for preventing those who are old, ill, or disabled from falling into poverty. They cover the other debts of the money that went to Wall Street and the rich.
oy vey es mir.
I loath the “Democrats” more than “Republicans.” What a bunch of abject CROOKS. Steal from the poor and give to the rich but pretend that’s not what you’re doing. At least the so-called “Republicans” are more out front about how they are & who they rob, even if many of their “supporters” chose to be in denial about it.
Great. Grand bargains all around….
Screw your kids out of Social Security for 16 dollars a week in tax relief.
No talk Ever of Raise The Cap.
Big Dawg Bill conniving with Paul Ryan at a Pete Peterson function.
Oh, the Sacred Honor…
I agree with your idea of a tax credit and funding of SS out of general revenue. But guess who will not agree to that? Maybe we can do the same for corporations. Do we need another year extending the tax cut for the rich? Maybe we can agree to that if we put off the fiscal cliff for another year as well and ignore the debt limit. Heavens, imagine the increased deficit. That would be good.
There is never any economic reasons to ” pay” for the tax cuts short of full employment and full capacity which is years away. And even then we only need to raise taxes until things slow down. The debt, per se, never needs to be paid off. We have to get past that mind set. It is a neoliberal myth that is harming us.
That said, one can increase taxes on the wealthy to help redistribute income down. But if you do it, you better spend it or there will be another recession. Either way, increased taxes or lower spending, will result in another recession — unless of course, we have another bubble of some kind. Housing anyone?
Why not just go back to the “Making Work Pay” tax credit?
I will answer my own question, it doesn’t have the added benefit of undercutting Social Security for Republicans (and some/many Demorats).
Did you take that handle from the song?
Agreed, except I don’t know that it’s a myth, more like propaganda, just like conservative propaganda about tax breaks for job creators. Maybe a myth to the people hearing the story, but not to the people spreading the story.
Or a lie. I like saying its a lie.
Naturally.
I need to figure out a way to increase my income in my rapidly approaching “retirement”. I know! I’ll write a book. “Fifty Shades of Cat Food: How the Democratic party will sodomize me in my “golden years” “. Yup. No doubt about it now. I’m going to “throw my vote away” for Jill Stein.
Bingo!
Why just give people $500 when you can totally take it out of the money you were planning on paying them towards their retirement years and use it as an excuse to raise the retirement age, cut COLAs, and lower benefits?
They should just be done with the pretending that there is a party that actually represents the interests of the working class already.
When Romney wins the first thing on the agenda will be tax cuts, if that means extending the payroll tax cut … then that will happen.
No other big changes will be attempted until the Romney tax policy has been
signed into law.
The next policy change will probably be gutting regulation and increased defense spending … war hawks and the tea party will join forces to get this done.
After all that, if thier is still time left in his first term, they would probably go after Medicaid block grants … thats a huge fight and they can use momentum from the first two policy victories to push it thru.
So I predict Social Security and Medicare changes will be left to the second term (if ever) under a Romney presidency.
Understatement has always been my downfall.