Here’s what the 1972 candidate for President, the late George McGovern, said on the Senate floor in 1970, during the debate over the McGovern-Hatfield Amendment to End the War in Vietnam:
Every senator in this chamber is partly responsible for sending 50,000 young Americans to an early grave. This chamber reeks of blood. Every Senator here is partly responsible for that human wreckage at Walter Reed and Bethesda Naval and all across our land-young men without legs, or arms, or genitals, or faces or hopes.”
There are not very many of these blasted and broken boys who think this war is a glorious adventure. Do not talk to them about bugging out, or national honor or courage. It does not take any courage at all for a congressman, or a senator, or a president to wrap himself in the flag and say we are staying in Vietnam, because it is not our blood that is being shed. But we are responsible for those young men and their lives and their hopes.
And if we do not end this damnable war those young men will some day curse us for our pitiful willingness to let the Executive carry the burden that the Constitution places on us.
So before we vote, let us ponder the admonition of Edmund Burke, the great parliamentarian of an earlier day: “A contentious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood.”
There weren’t any debates in 1972, but if there were, the differences between a candidate who would make that speech and what we had on display last night would be so stark it would seem to come from two different countries.
While Mitt Romney hid behind Barack Obama and displayed about as much independent thought as a college student who didn’t cram enough the night before the test and spent the whole time looking at his neighbor’s paper, his neighbor Barack Obama reflected so strongly the smoldering wreck that is this nation’s foreign policy consensus.
It’s amazing that the Republican Party, once associated almost totally with a “strong national defense,” would give up so completely on foreign policy, to the extent that they have no identity whatsoever on the issue. Romney agreed with every Obama position but said the nation needed a “comprehensive strategy” to deal with the world, the equivalent of Gerald Ford’s “Whip Inflation Now” buttons, a signifier without anything behind it.
But it’s also amazing to me that anyone would call the Republican candidate Peacenik Mitt, since on the one area by which we wage war in the 21st-century world, Mitt agreed “completely” on the use of drones. That’s increasingly the only way America and the west fights wars these days. So agreement on drones means agreement on the war strategy for the world powers over the next several decades.
We’re exporting our drone strategy throughout the world. Britain just bought a cache of Reaper drones to fly combat missions in Afghanistan. And that new hotspot, Mali, that many in America just heard about last night? France plans to send drones there:
France is planning to send drones into Mali as part of an international intervention to free the west African country from al-Qaida-backed insurgents who control large swaths of its territory, according to reports.
A French defence official said the country was moving surveillance drones to the region as part of secretive plans with the US, amid increasing fears that, if left unchecked, the crisis could serve as a launchpad for terrorist attacks on its own soil.
Speaking to the Associated Press, the official said on Monday that France was discussing plans with the US for drones, intelligence-gathering and security in Africa’s Sahel region. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, said that Germany would be prepared to train Malian security forces and would consider providing “material and logistical support”.
When war policy gets reduced to “send flying robots overhead to strike,” eliciting no sacrifice on the part of the general population, it becomes much easier to make these calls, to sign off on interventions in Libya or Somalia or Yemen or Mali or wherever else.
I think it’s telling that this BBC World Service poll of 21 countries found President Obama ahead for re-election in all of them except for Pakistan, the country most brutalized by drones. Seems that the people who have bombs rained down on them from flying machines in the sky tend not to appreciate the individual who authorized it. Romney would authorize the same missions, but presumably the Pakistanis don’t have that level of understanding of US policy. But it will become clear soon enough. The new American way of war is to use flying machines and special forces to circumvent the actual processes by which war is supposed to be authorized, and to turn foreign policy into a unilateral dictatorship. Here’s Charlie Pierce:
The rough consensus on foreign policy, to which Willard Romney spent most of the evening appealing, is a truncated, dismal thing, a grim march through a universe of bad options and worse choices. “Harvey Cox said once that not to decide is to decide,” former senator Bob Graham said after it was over. “The only option not worth taking is the one where we do nothing.”
Unfortunately for Graham’s theory, there is no “we” in these questions. There was no “we” in the final presidential debate this year. In no area have we as a self-governing nation so abandoned our obligations as we have on foreign policy. In no area are we so intellectually subservient to expertise, and to the Great Man Theory of how things should be run. In no area are we so clearly governed, rather than governing ourselves. The president, at least, occasionally seems to be aware not only that this is true, but also that it puts the whole experiment of self-government in mortal peril, just as the Founders knew it would when they lodged the war powers in the Congress, which has spent the last 225 years giving them back, in one way or another, to the Executive, which is presided over, always, by One Great Man. He at least seems self-aware enough to appear troubled by the power he nonetheless wields.
Outside of reading the President’s mind to decide that this foreign policy architecture he helped build troubles him, I approve this message.





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Your “approval”, with its clear reservation(s), absolutely, is seconded, DDay.
DW
Calling last nights “presentation” or “performance” a debate is Orwellian newspeak. We should resolve to avoid the MSM newspeak and describe events and policies in real defined English. Debate, Moderator, Entitlement, Affordable, etc., etc., should only be used if they accurately fit an acceptable definition of the word.
While I didn’t watch much of that Kabuki Show last night, did anyone else feel that it was “staged” … such that, as DDay describes, it seemed as if Obama got the main speaking parts (with the moderator, whoever that stooge was, “permitting” it to happen) & then RMoney just kinda phoning it in.
Amirite? Or am I just so utterly jaded & cynical that watching such tripe is an total waste of my valuable time???
Go Giants!
The monsters have taken over the country. The monster of militarism, unchecked and unaccountable. The monster of the banks and the creditors, dooming millions to poverty. The monsters of Big Ag and Big Pharma and ALEC prisons. It’s very frightening.
Our two candidates are merely the monsters Igor’s, sent out to communicate with us, steal from us, and scare us from time to time, all while mumbling their real agenda: “Must protect the monster.”
And let me be the first to wish you all a Happy Halloween.
We don’t have a foreign policy debate. We don’t even have a domestic policy debate. Who decided that the debt deal was such a good thing?
applepie @ 4: but it’s not a “happy” halloween when the monsters are real, are here and they plan more ways to harm us.
“us” defined as all the earth and its inhabitants.
It seems to me that for most of our 225 year existance, our “foreign policy” has consisted of waging war against brown people although we rarely call it that prefering such euphemisms as police actions and peacekeeping missions.
Among the victims: Native Americans, Filipinos, Japanese, Koreans, Viet Namese, Iraqi’s and Afghani’s.
Obama ignored the rule of law when he decided to look only ahead and not harm a hair on the head of anyone in the Bush Administration. Indeed, he gave a medal to Poppy and gave pride of place to W by sending him to Haiti with Clinton and making him the first phone call after Osama was killed.
He has abolished the rule of law with the drones.
If anyone had told me that a Democratic President, and a constitutional law lecturer to boot, would do more violence to the Constitution and the rule of law than W did, and most Democrats would support him, I simply would not have believed the fucker.
But, I was so much older then. I’m younger than that now.
If a Republican President had done it, at least half the country would have pushed back. But, because a Democratic President did it, it gets almost universal silence, if not almost universal approval.
Lesser of two evils, my ass.
I know…but I couldn’t resist. Perhaps the scariest thing is that our devastating ‘foreign policy’ will become a domestic policy as well, no matter who wins. The economic devastation is well under way, and the drones are already being used to surveil us.
Lesser by nths?
yes. ’tis true. and how sad that is. I still have my Obamabot pals *pleading* with me (literally) to vote for this War Criminal who is sh*tting all over the constitution because LOTE and ONLY Mitt will bomb bomb bomb Eye-Ran.
puh-leeze.
The one thing Democracy Now’s expanded debate to include third parties did was force me to listen to the two mainstream candidates. I am absolutely convinced that Romney is very deliberately making himself out to be the ‘worst evil’. It is understandable that the Powers that Be wish to keep everything as it now is, from a cost analysis, because it will be less expensive in the long run. They would not mind getting Romney, but better the devil you know…
Both candidates hewed to the same line, war, war, war, and American exceptionalism, everything on an international scale reflecting the ‘it’s all about ME’ mantra that the media tries to drum into our heads. More kill, more military, and what we are getting now and for ever in spades. And Obama’s smirk – well, that’s enough for me to give bad dreams for a lifetime. He really doesn’t do well trying to look like Bush,;or maybe he’s not trying – it’s just what happens.
The third party responses were a blessed relief.
Agree.
I’m politically neutral for reasons I don’t wish to share right now. I have never voted and never will, so I feel I can speak without much prejudice for or against either side as an outside observer. Being 64 years old, I’ve seen a lot of history in this country. I even recall hearing on the radio that, “. . . three Red planes were shot down over Korea.” I wondered what they were talking about. Coming of age in the 60s, I saw all the social and political ferment, the Nixon debacle, the Reagan excesses, and now there’s this sick, sad, and sorry display the past dozen years. It all leaves me disgusted and sick to my core what humans are capable of and how utterly stupid they are as a group. I understand enough of psychology, salesmanship, critical thinking, politics, and show business to see how base and corrupt politics, religion, and commerce is. It is and always will be beyond redemption. The people in power at all levels are devoid of morals, character, ethics, common sense, statesmanship, honesty, integrity, unselfishness, and conscience.
My late mother had a bumper sticker back in the 70s that read: “I Love mankind; it’s People I can’t stand.” How fitting. Not to beat a dead horse, but as I’ve posted numerous times, the late George Carlin was almost prescient in many of his observations. Then again you could argue that anyone with half a brain could see what he did, if they were at all paying attention and straining out the BS.
Nope. By far, the greater of two evils is the Republican who put a (D) after his or her name. For the reason stated in my prior post, namely, when a Republican with an (R) after his or her name does evil, at least half the nation opposes him or her.
When a Republican with a (D) after his or her name does evil, almost 100% of the nation goes along with it, or even approves it.
I disagree only because to me both represent uber wealthy people who are supporting both major parties and are really multi-national. Their interests are not political and whomever is elected will do their bidding and this R v. D is just for the kabuki theater.
we’re all taken in by this part of the ongoing kabuki while the corps(e)’ pResident has the trans-pacific Pirateship, “TPP,” ready to launch.
only a (D) can implement the Privateers’ “legal” boarding and seizure of people, property, air, water, gov’ts world wide. bush,sr-clinton made the corps(e) equal to gov’ts; now cheney-oboma will make the Pirateships superior to gov’t.
Yes, the TPP is another step to the destruction of the Bill of Rights, and consolidation international markets by the few. The deals were made and we were left out, or perhaps it was a coup. In any event it is quickly becoming a policy of disintegrating any semblance of local control over everything. We are now more on our own, as progressive activists, than ever before.
Limiting “choice,” politically or economically is the name of the game. Lack of competition means lack of choice and the overt protections of monopolies and profits. America is being sodomized by corporate interests buying law to protect the systemic rape of this republic, just as Jefferson and Madison predicted.
A drunk can go without booze and better his life. However without “stored potential energy,” the drunk can’t even get to work to earn the money to buy his booze. The drunk has no choice, just like millions of sober, yet brainwashed Americans seeking choices and solutions to the limited choices imposed on a nation by corporations.
BTW America’s foreign policy is about protecting the profit of those who are involved with “black gold,” just as Congress protected the enslavement of humans with black skin!
America’s servitude to interests in energy is no different from a slave’s servitude, “used” for energy. There is a common denominator here. America knows it, just like we knew smoking causes premature death, when corporations lied right through their teeth, protected by the first Amendment to perpetuate lies in the name of Mammon….
Energy?
It’s all for the kids. Their kids.
Sad Humans.
I’m having trouble with the monster metaphor, applepie. This is is a machine of death, not artificial life. Romantics were supposed to pity Frankenstein and his monster, no? These death mechanics deserve so much more.
There’s a very wicked game going here. Part of O’Bummer’s 2008 PR was that his deep humanity would tame the empire. Having failed that, this election, it’s the Rethuglican’s that would only enrage it.
I think we need a Bureaucrat Project (like Dawkin’s Clergy Project) to relieve those tormented unbelievers. Do you think they’d make the terrorist list?
Guess we are not as enlightened as some may think? That natural aristocracy among men, it is a sordid lot, in need of
lead poisoningan intervention, to make them as human and humble as my fellow humble human neighbor, who witnesses the horrors of death camps and made sure the good German buried the dead, victims of their silence coerced at the point of a Nazi’s Luger.Seems as if gas prices and the economy’s real life uncertainty are being used like a Luger to coerce the silence of Americans, leveraged into servitude, corporate style….
Monsters are a matter of perception I suppose. In one sense, the romantic and Wollstonecraft, you could say that they are of our own creation, the Beast from Within and all that, deserving of our quiet introspection. In another you could say that they are not of our creation but are purely the machination of the war profiteers and authoritarians. In my view we have culturally gone beyond both of those, in that it doesn’t really matter. Whatever the origin they are out of control and destroying lives and cultures, kind of a 50s scifi movie outlook I suppose.
I am not trying to make light of it all, and I certainly don’t presume the innocence of the death weapons merchants. Actually, though, I am more interested in the thread of collusion between the Dems and Repubs on the need to banish any thought of a non-militarist foreign policy.
The CIA had a rocky ride back in the 70′s. They just couldn’t smother the whiners and then Carter started in on the moral equivalent of war. Things were falling apart. Then they hired Raygun, killed Len(i)n, and went full in on Domestic Propaganda.
So we got the morality of the last conquerer, instead. Limits to growth will just make the masses insane; we must have managed decline.
So I guess I’m in alignment with your metaphor, except that I stretch it’s judgment back. Grandpop Bush fed Hitler and other profiteers enjoy the A-merkin harvest. And the same class of people profit on the cleanup.
I have Ozymandias and Frankenstein on the mind, now. I’ll go with both Shelley and Marx, comrade. Her lament could not stop the bourgeois ascension, which now recreates the mind of the old testament Gawd.
So much for Jesus.
Have I caught the thread?
See, we keep America safe by using military, covert and economic aggression to de-stabilize every country in Asia between India and the Mediterranean, plus half a dozen countries in Africa, then we need larger military and intelligence forces because of all the instability.
Quite simple, really.
Got it. The question is, how many Good Germans are ready to defect?
The guy who showed up at the debate last night for the Repubs was the Monday-night-Romney, whose policies have no relation to the Sunday-night-Romney nor the post-inauguration-Romney.
The Bushies will be back in a Romney administration: John Bolton, Eliot Abrams, John Yoo, Condolizard Rice, Wolfowitz, the Cheneys. Just as Bush handed over controls to Cheney, so will Rombo hand it over to Bolton (or similar). Thus any position rombot took last nite will quickly be forgotten by the NeoCons who take full rein of the pentagon in a Rombo administration.
Odd that Rombo played passive and “looked presidential” and calmed the suburban walmart moms whilst Obama was condescending; yet switch chairs in the first debate and Obama lost by being passive and calming. At least he DOES LOVE HIM SOME TEACHERS.
Everything is optics: doesn’t matter if Rombot’s statements contradict everything he has stood for in the last year so long as his new statments fit the optics of winning.
On Iran there is a difference between “capability” and “obtaining”. Rombo and Bebe will bomb the bejeezus out of Tehran when the Rocky the Flying Squirrel bomb that Bebe displayed at the UN hits the redline some time around March. Them’s facts.
““A contentious man would be cautious how he dealt in blood.””
Ah, well there’s the rub. The recent “debate” was between two sociopathic corporate whores who are more than happy to walk on a road of other people’s bones if it serves their interests and the interests of those who have bought them. As evidenced by their actions, neither Romney nor Obama give a fuck about those who die in foreign wars of hegemony and profit. What the fuck are poor people for anyway?!
And unless you and I helped give them the hundreds of billions of dollars they needed to compete for the job of President, neither Romney nor Obama give a fuck about us either.
“In no area are we so clearly governed, rather than governing ourselves.”
The operative word–the one missing from this paragraph–is Fascism.
“He at least seems self-aware enough to appear troubled by the power he nonetheless wields.”
And, if his actions are any indication, this semblance of appearance is where his being troubled stops.
Comrade Grendel, salute!
I won’t waste my time finding the original idjit who farked this quote up (I suspect it was a Republican idjit – it’s Burke and it’s an error). First, the correct word is conscientious, not contentious. Wikipedia says McGovern got it right. Second, the context, Burke’s Letter on the Affairs of America (1777), is interesting:
I think he just called present day A-merkins the lowest form of life. I wonder if Burke would have called their exploiters Devils.
What say ye, comrade?
Salutations to you too, comrade.
Ah yes. I read the word as “conscientious” but cut and past the quote from the post and missed the mistake. And I meant to say “hundreds of millions” not “billions” as well.
Yes, that is precisely what he said about them. Well, US citizens who, in their servility to power, ignorantly and arrogantly deal in blood, which is most of us–George W’s approval rating just prior to the US attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan was 90% and Barbara Lee was the only member of Congress to vote against the AUMF. Such a description as Burke’s must be included in the definition of American Exceptionalism. What a vicious, honest counterpoint to all those odious yellow ribbons on the streets and red-white-and-blue-bathed propagandists on the TV “news” who hearten the multitudes into dangerous courses.
Part of the ease of the exploitation is that the Devils have no check on their power. If members of Congress and the President fan the flames of pride and goad those who prostrate themselves before power into dealing in blood to the ruination of those same mean and miserable creatures, the worst that happens to the Devils is that they lose their jobs. Now what kind of a check on power is that?
I’m reminded of the military traditions of many other nations whereby if a commander seriously fucks up, he is expected to commit suicide. This is the check on the tremendous power over life and death he is accorded. The US has no such tradition. (What happened to Mark Clark or William Westmoreland?) Perhaps because of this the Devils are more apt to exploit those without civil wisdom or military skill? In the US, the Devils can’t lose. It is how the US gets sociopaths and warmongers like George W and Obama or Enron and JPMorgan Chase.
Tradition! Tradition.
Seppuku did not prevent Fukushima. The capitalist anarchy devours shame and the technological priesthood hides culpability.
Sagan forgot to put The Internationale on Voyager’s record. I hope in Gawd’s Creation some extraterrestrials will appreciate the mistake.
Ha! :)
“The capitalist anarchy devours shame and the technological priesthood hides culpability.”
Brilliant. Indeed.