President Obama plans to meet with business, labor and civic leaders early this week about the fiscal slope, according to Reuters. Congressional leaders will huddle with Obama at the end of the week. Labor has immediately and vocally rejected the concept of a grand bargain, at least for now, so judging their behavior after this meeting will be critical. The presence of corporate executives who have pull on Republicans probably matters more than the presence of labor, to whom I assume there will be an attempt to dictate terms.
After this inside game and as the negotiations continue, the President plans to hit the road in support of a deal, which sounds to me like a terrible idea for him.
As he prepares to meet with Congressional leaders at the White House on Friday, aides say, Mr. Obama will not simply hunker down there for weeks of closed-door negotiations as he did in mid-2011, when partisan brinkmanship over raising the nation’s debt limit damaged the economy and his political standing. He will travel beyond the Beltway at times to rally public support for a deficit-cutting accord that mixes tax increases on the wealthy with spending cuts [...]
And with the election campaign over, the campaign for the Obama legacy begins: Mr. Obama will keep his grass-roots organization in place to “have the president’s back,” as its members like to say, on the budget negotiations and other issues in the second term. Democrats concede that the network has not been a particularly effective legislative lobby to date. But they argue that when it was activated to pass payroll tax cuts and low-interest student loans, the pressure made a difference.
Maybe the White House thinks they can seduce their base once more, and I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with them. The Obama coalition has always been more tribal than ideological, willing to take their cues from their standard bearer. But maybe it’s worth pointing out that the public soundly rejected the kind of bargain that Obama appears to have in mind. Exit polling shows large majorities opposed to cuts in social insurance. Almost every candidate personally endorsed by Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson lost their election. Who exactly will stand behind this effort once it leaves the friendly confines of the Beltway? The grand bargain only works behind closed doors.
One thing the President has going for him is a pliant media. The Washington Post is practically giddy at the prospect of cutting the retirement benefits of old people. The National Journal is willing to described a “left divided” on the subject of a grand bargain, a description only achievable by putting Third Way on the left.
I was heartened by James Surowiecki, not exactly the beating heart of the Old Left, come out against a bargain:
If Congress and the President were to come up with a grand bargain in such a short time, there’s a good chance that it would be largely a product of the inside-the-Beltway biases of deficit hawks (who tend to dominate the “serious” discussions of budget policy), rather than the long-term interests of the country. And at a time when long-term interest rates are at historic lows, with the U.S. able to borrow money for ten years at less than one per cent, we simply don’t need to rush to come up with a massive debt-reduction plan. Yes, in the long run we need to deal with the debt (which, above all, means dealing with the rising cost of health care). But there’s no reason to let the fiscal cliff force us into policies that Americans don’t actually want.
Surowiecki makes an affirmative case for kicking the can down the road, which is tantamount to treason among elite media types. The thing to remember about the fiscal cliff, aside from everything else, is that it’s imaginary. Don’t like the sequester? Cancel it! Don’t like the expiration of an economy-boosting payroll tax cut? Extend them! Republicans don’t want to raise taxes? Let the tax cuts expire, and then pass a bill to cut taxes! Congress can only constrain itself willingly; in reality they have the freedom to do whatever they want.
Politicians flatter themselves with discussion of “making the hard choices” and “working together to move America forward.” Putting the country into recession for the purposes of moving it forward makes no sense whatsoever, nor does depriving the sick and the elderly. The false flattery belies a twisted cruelty, the idea that everyone must sacrifice – except those making the plans, of course.






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Wrong. It’s a great idea for him. It guarantees him millions of dollars in cushy speaking fees once he leaves office.
Seriously, why is this so difficult to understand?
We need to ditch GDP as the key measure and start using quality of life and better standard of living and even happiness measures as the key indicators of healt. This will be crucial so we can jettison socially destructive frauds like present day Wall Street without violence.
For those of us FDL types, this quick a return to the old Obama LLC comes as no surprise. Four more years?
I wonder if Barry O has enough nerve to hold true town hall meetings with the general public on this? Holding meetings within the echo chamber is really what guy is about. All the talk of how Obama came up out of proverty and he is one of the people; what BS! Well Stalin came from peasent roots and he turned on them.
The plutocrats are cruel, thieving motherfuckers. All the politicians who serve the plutocrats are cruel, disgusting sycophants. They are entitled to no respect, no deference, no air time and no further tolerance from the voters who re-elected this preznit. We need to start organizing local boycotts of local press and local cable news channels, then expand those boycotts somehow into meaningful national protests. We need to start occupying the plutocrats neighborhoods and publicizing their cruelty to their neighbors and on pirate radio or podcasts. We can’t just sit at our keyboards. We need to visit our congress-critters in their local district offices and in the House and Senate office buildings. We need to ask Alan Grayson for ideas on generating media against this Grand Bullshit.
If we expect opposition to entitlement cuts from Obama’s mushy-middle base, I fear we will be sorely disappointed. Sure, a majority of Americans might say that they oppose cuts–a majority has expressed a general distaste for the war in Afghanistan, too. But, eleven years after it started, the war grinds on with no end in sight. Just saying that we don’t like something is not enough.
Imagine if someone offered Mitt Romney a ‘grand bargain’ which touched one penny of his hidden Cayman tax cheat money.
thats bit of a misnomer. it screws younger people. The boomers get to continue to feed at the trough they have licked dry and screw the rest of us yet again
and on sacrifice – like i can see shared sacrifice if we were in a WW2 situation, but honestlty, why should any of us sacrifice because the bankers are wrecked the economy. I say nationalize Exxon or something before the people have to pay. I dont see why I need to “share” in others mistakes.
Funny how Iceland refused to pay and prosecuted and their economy is coming back.
But the fiscal cliff isn’t forcing anyone into anything–it’s just the excuse being used, with all the insiders fully aware that it’s just that, an excuse to start the gutting of the social insurance safety net. Which is why logic and facts won’t matter one damn to the outcome. Our government reps will tell us with sorrowful faces that these actions are necessary to preserve America and American values for our children and grandchildren, and assure us that doing it hurts them more than it will hurt us. After leaving this steaming heap in every available media outlet, they will march off in lock step to screw the people who voted them into office.
I’m 64 and on SSDI. I feel a bloody ass-rape coming on this.
The road trip didn’t do W much good when he had all that capital, I can’t see that it will do PBO much good. It is possible that he wants us to stop himfrom cuting and show the GOP the depth of opposition. We really have to approach any road trip with that mindset and do all we can to show the public’s displeasure. What else can we do?
Tough choices. Build another helicopter or feed us seniors catfood.
Not necessarily. The boomers/older generation ( like me) have kids and some have grandkids. Obviously O’s grand bargain will be designed to appeal to the greed of the older, to buy them off by not effecting their benefits much (unless, as is real possible, chained CPI gets thrown in there.) But a lot of us can’t be bought off. It’s not so much a question of age as principle. Don’t underestimate folks seeing through the charade.
What I worry about, too, is the younger generation being apathetic because they’ve already internalized a message that benefits, including and especially SS, which seems to get falsely wrapped in as an entitlement, will not even be there when they get ready to retire.
Herbert Hoover came from the humblest of beginnings, too.
I’m looking forward to this tour. Hopefully it will be a humiliation for Mr. Drone.
Obama’s arrogance of the bubble. Thinks he knows better than anyone what’s good for the rest of us. His Wall Street psychophant buddies and the bot-base tell him so. Thinks we all either love him and trust him or that he is making oh-so-grand a gesture by sacrificing that goodwill and political capital. Wrong on both counts. He’s both arrogant and blind.
Geez, if O goes to the right crowd he could really get an earful.
I was hoping for at least a month or two before we’d be telling those pragmatic realists “we told you so.”
I sure do hope that progressives are going to start looking for potential challengers for the Democratic party standard bearers that decide to go along with safety net cuts. They’ve got 20 in the Senate in 2012. Since they say primaries are their thing they probably should get crackin’
If he does something like this he could unite the left again. Maybe that’s what he wants?
I entered the workforce during the 80s and remember Reagan telling me I’d have to pay a little more to secure my retirement. So I paid a little more and now it looks like those like me will STILL be screwed because Congress has its priorities all screwed up.
no cap, no loopholes for Mittens and the hedge fund manafers. easy fix.
Obama is Pete Peterson’s Puppet. Peterson commands safety net cuts and economy-crippling austerity. Obama is going “on the road” to sell it.
Oilbomber will not subject himself to direct public scrutiny on this.
Look for stagecraft and canned audiences like the old Dubya program.
Ultimately, Social Security and Medicare are to be privatized by the one percenters. Once they get that pile of money injected into Wall Street. They’ll short the living piss out of it.
I drink your milkshake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_hFTR6qyEo&feature=fvwrel
For his first campaign didn’t Obama say, in essence, “make me” do what you want done? Well, maybe a couple of national strikes and street rioting will “make” him do what we want when it comes to social security. I’d heard that some Dems were going to try to get him to back off on this but it appears they didn’t get to see him (just like most elected officials never actually get to see him).
Sooo glad I didn’t vote for this loser this time…
I recommend EVERYONE who is interested in this topic, email the WHITEHOUSE with your concerns here http://tinyurl.com/cgup8c9
I did. I expect them to know that after all of our education over the last year we all know that SS and MEdicare have NOTHING AT ALL in anyway to do with TAXES and the DEFICIT. ..SO No Touching them..
ALSO we want payback for the Iraq war to the tune of $9BILLION asap and passage of the VETERANS JOBS Bill.
..now that only covers war costs. I also think the families of those KILLED and WOUNDED in a flagrantly ILLEGAL War get remuneration too.
Ah, LOrion, the White House gives not a whit what we regular people think or want done. Although I love your idea about the veterans job bill and the remuneration…
David: can’t thank you enough for cutting the tinkerbelle re-election bullshit and telling it like it is about our brave, progressive, preznint.
Pray, continue.
O sure knows which crowd to go to…as in that $30,000-a-plate fatcat dem fundraiser in his first term, where he taunted progressives and used us for a comic-shtick pinata in front of the DINO’s.
We, the Boomers, have NOT licked dry the SS trough and we will NOT allow them to screw the younger people in this country out of their SS benefits.
As long as the rest of the younger generation hits the streets with us when the time comes.
I keep saying we should nationalize oil but I fear we’d then dig up every inch of public land. If we were slightly less sheeple we could follow Iceland’s path. I am just really interested to see if cutting medicare and screwing with SS will make the people rise up or if the sheeple will remain happy with their TV entertainment and beer and minimum wage jobs.
Liar.
We didn’t lick anything dry, the bad people borrowed against the SS Trust Fund, have REFUSED to pay it back, and it’s STILL fully solvent thru 2035 or more.
It would REMAIN solvent, fully paid, for Gen X, Y and beyond if the Bush Tax Cuts were left to expire, and the rates of taxes on income $250K per couple were increased incrementally the higher the income.
Who pays you for this poppy cock nonsense you spew?
“They’ll short the living piss out of it.”
Yes, they will.
The republican wet dream of using the SS lockbox to prop up the Wall Street floating crap game…moving right along under a democratic president, and a black “progressive”, at that…
Who knew?
As a boomer “screwing you yet again”, I have to tell you there ain’t much I can do about it now, sonny. Maybe when you grow up you’ll understand about not being able to dig the ditches anymore. I paid in, I trusted what was promised in return, and it’s all I got to live on. You want me to give it to you? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.
Like others here at FDL, I keep cringing at the speed of the screwing of the masses by Obama this time around.
I thot for SURE stuff would happen 6 months or so into his second term but he’s rolling out hard and fast for killing we the people’s safety nets that we PAID INTO ALL OUR WORKING LIVES.
This total authoritarian corporate fascist oligarchy is all in at full speed ahead on all fronts.
The rate to implement UGLY upon the masses is increasing exponentially on a daily basis.
I thot I could haz a happy with CA and the Super Majority, but then I realize, I gotta take a spoonful of the medicine I keep heaping on the ObamaBotters/Faux Libs . . . . be phreakin careful what we wish for.
It’s all so god damned depressing it’s sick.
Thanks Mr. Dayen and all at FDL for keeping the shit and the shinola in full view, dawg knows most of the masses don’t even see the throat slitting coming.
The Scorpion and the Frog
One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.
The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn’t see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.
Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.
“Hellooo Mr. Frog!” called the scorpion across the water, “Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?”
“Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?” asked the frog hesitantly.
“Because,” the scorpion replied, “If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!”
Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. “What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!”
“This is true,” agreed the scorpion, “But then I wouldn’t be able to get to the other side of the river!”
“Alright then…how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?” said the frog.
“Ahh…,” crooned the scorpion, “Because you see, once you’ve taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!”
So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog’s back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog’s soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.
Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog’s back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.
“You fool!” croaked the frog, “Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?”
The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog’s back.
“I could not help myself. It is my nature.”
Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.
Self destruction – “Its my Nature”, said the Scorpion…
Its hard to feel bad for the millions of people who voted to have their benefits slashed by this man in a way they get what they deserve. Obama has a lot of scorpion in him.
Yep.
On the short selling, on the ‘who knew’ . . .
I mean, it’s not like we have a HISTORY to prove that junk bonds and such are a scam, and that Glass/Steagall being lost was THE key to the more recent and deeper ass reaming and looting that’s taken place for 14 years or more since CLINTON allowed Glass/Steagall to be repealed and replaced.
Who the fuck knew, indeed.
I mean, it’s ONE thing to not know, but it’s another thing altogether to be stoopid. Cuz ya can’t FIX stoopid.
LeSigh. All I wanted was a few months to forget about it.
We didn’t even get a few days after the erection
That’s how hard this is coming at us. From the Dem’s. Too. Also.
Now we all know EXACTLY what he thinks he has a mandate to do!
May his path be blocked by showers of catfood.
It’s going to be up to us. The Obama voters are in complete denial and won’t recognize what’s been done to them until it’s YEARS too late to stop it.
The only hope is that the House Tea Party people stands firm!! It’s very sad but very true. They do it for all the wrong reasons, but that doesn’t matter. House Tea partiers are all progressives got right now.
Don’t let him goad ya, he’s paid to talk shit, like a lot of trolls are on these issues that FDL covers in depth, that other sites and the msm won’t even TOUCH.
The REALLY sad part of this is, I got nuttin in terms of effective action or strategy to stop it all.
The whole game and system is so endemically corrupted and owned and operated top to bottom by the corporate fascist 1% that the final raping and pillaging of what little is left for and of the middle class is mostly unstopable.
All we got left is the knowledge that empires collapse, every time, when they neglect the needs of the masses.
Not much consolation, I know . . . I woulda liked to have lived my final 20-25 years with my old lady not knowing at some point, we will be on the streets and/or wards of the state.
At this rate tho, I guess we’ll be happy if we end up BEING soylent green for others.
Like they say, it’s a hard life, it’s either eat or be eaten.
Nah, they got nuthing to fight the beast they are a PRODUCT of the beast, the billionaires, the corporate fascists.
They are toads, tools. Distractions.
They got nuttin.
We fully disagree on the OBVIOUSNESS of that nuttin. Too. Also. Youbetcha.
they did shut down the last attempt at grand bargaining.
Man, I sure am glad black Romney beat white Obama. If it were the other way around, our rights would be eroded, banks would be fellated, and social security would be on the chopping block.
Hey, thanks, I needed that.
What I intended to say, before getting interrupted, had to do with thanking David for the consistent level-headed and even-handed and incredibly intelligent reporting, making relevant sense out of all this stuff. There really are not that many voices as knowledgeable and trustworthy, without any diatribe. Thanks, David, I really appreciate the education.
Ditto, DonS. Thank you again, David; please refer to my earlier comment post. Gonna listen to Robbie Robertson’s “Showdown at Big Sky”, already…
Thrown under the bus before even a week is up. No surprise, we all knew him only to be the lesser of two evils.
Sort of OT — will post FYI anyway since I hope to attend a panel discussion hosted by Native Americans at the community college tomorrow:
Sixth Annual AIM West Coast Inter-Tribal Conference November 19-23, 2012
Further info. can be found at “Censored News” (bsnorrell.blogspot.com)
Um, how about…
“…fixing the economy instead of fixing the debt…” (David Dayen)
Or…
“Fk The Deficit. People Got No Jobs. People Got No Money” (Charles Pierce)
Too bad we’re dealing with a government stuffed to the rafters with corporate-enabling hacks, all of whom possess the mental acuity and vision of a cardboard box full of lawn clippings.
It’s up to us to make the Administration and Congress do what we want. No more compromises. No exceptions.
I suspect that is true, and I say that as someone getting SS as well as Medicare. However I do not think we will get off scot-free The Congress can not afford that! Say about a $10 monthly increase over inflation for Medicare. I suspect some sort cost of living freeze for Medicare, which will conveniently not be re-adjusted up to benefit the younger generation as they come to retirement age. Just some guesses.
Thanks for the link.
I left him a message asking if he’d like to spend the last two years of his term with a republican congress.
It’s sad to see commenters here that still don’t get how SS works. They still think that there is some kind of bank account with their money sitting there waiting to pay them.
Educate yourselves. There is plenty of information here at FDL explaining the basic economics of SS.
Medicare and Medicaid will take care of themselves when we fix our draconian “health care” system.
FWIW I used to think that SS would be gone by the time I was 50. I’ve learned a lot since (and missed my prediction).
The only mention of health care costs was parenthetical. That’s a lot better than most pieces on the topic. Look at the graph featured at Ezra Klein’s recent piece: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/11/09/the-single-best-graph-on-whats-driving-our-deficits/ It’s all health care costs. Fix the budget now by cutting anything you want and we’ll still be right back here again in a few years. The problem isn’t government spending at all, it’s what the health care industry is charging. Nothing in the budget can fix this outside of totally eliminating all government provided health care.
If Obama gets his way, “tweaking” SocSec through a downward adjustment of the COLA, anyone living long enough will find themselves unable to keep up with the cost of living. Poor houses, anyone? Soylent Green? Or just joing the Hemlock Society and be prepared for death with dignity when life with dignity is impossible?
If the age for SocSec AND Medicare is raised, then there will be hundreds of thousands of those between mid-50′s and whatever age he feels is appropriate to receive full SocSec who will be without health insurance and without health CARE for a decade or more. Once they’re downsized, laid off, fired, well, finding a decent job will be well nigh impossible. I guess that’s part of his infatuation with Repub approaches, this one being “Hurry up and die.”
I want my children, their children, everyone to have a fair and secure SocSec. I want everyone to have Medicare for All.
Obama wants to out-Reagan St. Ronnie and be more “transformative” than Ronnie was. One way to do that is to mangle the great social safety net programs of FDR and LBJ.
Another way is to be the president who destroyed the remains of the Democratic Party.
Which he will do by fucking over SS/Medicare.
And he wants to do that sooooo bad it’s scary. He actually thought, when he was considering a run for the presidency in 2007, that going afterSS/Medicare was a great way to win an election. Wow, what a NOT Democrat.
I wonder even if self-immolations on the White House lawn would get his attention or, rather, get him to give a damn about the lower economic quintile people of this nation.
Betcha attempts to self-immolate gets a body sent to Gitmo…or some maxie prison.
What is to be done can always be undone. We live in hope, but that one I think is viable.
As a fellow Michigander Royal Oak,I couldn’t agree more with you my friend.
Sorry, I’m having a hard time believing this. Obama has been very adamant that he’s not going to make cuts that would harm the elderly, the poor or students. With the political capital that he now has, I don’t think he’s going to be quick to agree on anything that gives Republicans everything they want. I think you all are jumping the gun.
This is a great piece. I tweeted it out and got huge flack ! So I recommended that if they didn’t like the idea
just go ahead and tell the WHITEHOUSE and gave them WHITEHOUSE comment website. I sent one myself. Doesn’t hurt to let them know! Many people are too Pollyanna saying he won’t do it. Well, no I hope he doesn’t either, but I will tell him and OFA so so he knows he has the people backing him when he says NO.
That trough is funded by a total of 15.4% first dollar taxes that are paid by all working people until retirement age. It’s called insurance. Do you pay for car insurance? Do you expect to get benefits when you have a wreck?
Also it is the best friend young people have NOW. Unless you are one of the selfish who would throw your ill and elderly parents under the bus once they were unable to work. I am so grateful that no family has yet had to take from their education funds, decent housing, etc to feed me.
Yes. He will do it if he can see a way at all. He is counting on partnering with his new best friends the Republicans. Pray for obstructionism.
Isn’t the time to “make him do it” in the past? What sort of “people power” could possibly motivate that depraved and cowardly individual to change his stripes now? To ask the question is to answer it.
NO SORRY all you conspiracy theorists. HERE IS THE PLAN
Boehner ‘chastens’ his caucus, who demands no compromise http://tinyurl.com/a4fyc4v and OBAMA will get help from US if SS & Medicare safe.
BECAUSE We Just Had a Economicm Class War
And one side won http://tinyurl.com/bkcucae No really MIDDLE CLASS won.
The GOP put all the blame on Obama for the defense sequester, they said
it was all his idea.
What is to keep them from saying the same thing about cuts to Social Security.
If Republicans are pushing for cuts to Social Security make them own it!
Over 50 voters are the only age group the Republicans have left…
good bye Presidential Candidate for the people
Hello sitting president owned by Wall street.
SUckers.
Hey LOrion@58 ,I checked your link to see if you actually believe we won the class war .Anyone who be gullible enough to believe such rubbish obviously didn’t even know class warfare has been waged against us for over three decades .If you said you believe in Jesus because the Bible said you should ,at least I could respect your belief since no one can prove you wrong ,but we are inundated with proof that class warfare has,is , and will continue to impoverish us .
Great stuff DD ,and the above comment avers your most salient point :” The Obama coalition has always been more tribal than ideological ” .They demand nothing and lose everything with their faith and hope adulation .No such thing as progressive corporatists ,just underdogs embracing identity politics and their single issue movements.None of them really grasp why some of us are still advocating for OWS .even though they feed the hungry ,stop evictions and help people negotiate their debt crises every day without any corporate pimps .
This really is the one of the most remarkable thing I’ve seen in my life: a freshly reelected Pres ready to sell out his base even before the ticker tape has even been swept away. But here’s the thing, it seems like a lot of the base is ready for it: labor has already turned its machine away from BO’s re-election and towards fighting this, and anti-poverty/pro-jobs advocates like Smiley and West continue to lay into the president (so much so that their radio show was pulled off of public radio in Chicago right before the election).
It’s clear where Obama’s remaining weakness lies: in facing a democratic congressional revolt against his goal. There’s plenty of tough races again for control of the senate in 2014 and tough sledding for democrats to hope to gain control of the house. That’s where the pressure has to be placed (although it’s hard to see what can be done about the lame duck dems heading out the revolving door to their big payoffs).
I’m really sick of the whole thing about making generalizations about generations. The people who got the best deal on SS were the first people who got it. The whole tax and trust fund deal is totally unnecessary and was instituted out of political expediency by FDR. He didn’t want the right to attack it as a welfare program, so he set it up as an “insurance” program. The “baby boomers” I feel have not received their just due. On the whole they are much more interesting than the vastly overrated “greatest generation.” Just my opinion, and maybe it stems from a tendency to admire, in a way, older sibs more than parents. The GG’s I know are fine people, but they didn’t do anything all that special. They just went with the program. If you had anything going for you at all in the immediate postwar decades, you could do all right and most of them did.
I suspect he’d like that a lot. He acts as if he’s paid to make it happen.
Hey Yes ,I believe Dr,West and Smiley were picked up immediately by a competitor ,but your point is well taken .and shows the degree to which one can expect any loyalty via identity politics .They both do the work that the dems ignore,.advocating for the downtrodden and voiceless .I won’t even use the word ,poor ,since it is subjective .At this point in time ,I would rather say they advocate for the destitute ,which can only mean those in need of food ,shelter and medical intervention to survive .
No. The chained CPI starts hurting people immediately, including 75 year old people whose benefits start dropping against inflation immediately.
I hope you are right. I don’t think you are right, though. The only way to stop this is to be way out in front, making it clear that Obama and the democrats will pay if they go ahead with dismantling and damaging Social Security and Medicare.
The downside is that the progressives don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to having a record of making Democrats pay.
I agree with your message at heart. But I would not go as far in granting benefit-of-doubt. He really does have a faulted record.
But I like the respite from the tide of over-zealous dissing against every breath drawn by Obama. Especially all those who over-use the plural pronouns, dragging everyone into their diatribe, when they should be speaking just for themselves (even when the points are valid).
So thanks for the fresh air and I hope you’re right. But I agree with Travis Smiley–even if you love Obama, he needs to be pushed to do what is right.