
For the long-term unemployed, there really is a fiscal cliff that needs to be dealt with in the lame duck session
I just want to add on to what Dean Baker says here. It’s not just that the people trying to hype the fiscal cliffas a scary, terrifying prospect shouldn’t be trusted given their track record. It’s that the short-term impact, say one month, of expiring measures really does approach zero.
Here’s Dean’s base case as it relates to taxes:
…consumption is unlikely to respond in any measurable way to a one-month tax hike. There is a big debate among economists as to how much consumption responds to temporary tax cuts, like the Make Work Pay tax cut that was part of the initial stimulus package. Many economists, especially those who seem to be most worried about the “fiscal cliff” right now, argue that consumption responds little or not at all to tax cuts that are scheduled to be in effect for a year or two. One doesn’t have to agree with this strong position to accept the view that a one month increase in taxes will have a minimal impact on people’s consumption patterns.
This is especially likely if the tax increase is likely to be reversed the next month, which would almost certainly be the case, as the column acknowledges in the next sentence. So, this arithmetic exercise gets us essential zero hit from jumping over the fiscal cliff.
Baker also bats away the assumptions of how the market will react to “going over the cliff.”
But there’s more to say here. The thing nobody is taking into account is that the executive branch has tools at their disposal to make the short-term impact of the major expiring tax and spending measures completely negligible.
For instance, OMB Watch has delivered a report showing that the automatic sequester can be mitigated through a series of simple strategies, like front-loading and accelerating appropriated spending, using “carryover” funds from previous years, prioritizing the most urgent activities, and delaying new federal contracts (which are subject to the sequester) and focusing on existing ones (which are not). You can basically delay any macroeconomic impact, including layoffs, for several weeks.
Similarly, Treasury has the authority to freeze withholding rates in place if changes are imminent. You don’t have to do a behavioral economic study; the actual macroeconomic impact can be minimal.
That doesn’t mean non-existent. Clearly, letting the payroll tax cut expire will operate like a 2% wage reduction. And for the long-term unemployed, the end of the year really is a fiscal cliff. I hope that gets dealt with in the lame duck session; it’s the most critical, pressing item right now. And as Dean writes, the economy is weak right now and we shouldn’t be focused on deficit reduction whatsoever, not when borrowing costs are low and the Atlantic Coast is ruined and there are all kinds of construction personnel out of work.
But the bigger fiscal items, the ones that can allegedly send the economy into recession, really will have no impact in the first several weeks. If you believe, as the Democrats do, that they receive more leverage from moving into January 2013 without a deal, there’s no compelling reason not to do it.




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“Tools” are of little use if they are little used.
Their “use” would require both the imagination of “why?” they should be used and the actual desire to use them.
Would the use of such “tools” serve Barack Obama’s personal “interests”, now, or AFTER he leaves office?
“Tools” in the Executive Toolbox must be seen to serve the strategic “political” and the “personal” interests of the Executive …
All other “considerations” are foolish and utterly ridiculous nonsense, pragmatically and practically …
DW
If the ruling class doesn’t want it, then there’s a compelling reason not to do it.
And how do you really know what the Democrats believe? I took a journalism class in college, and the professor said one should never write something like, “Mr. Smith believes…” or “Mr. Smith thinks…”, but rather, “Mr. Smith says he believes…” or “Mr. Smith says he thinks…” — the obvious reason being that, if one is seriously interested in stating facts as faithfully as possible, then all one can say is that someone else says he thinks or believes something. Because one can never actually know what another person thinks or believes.
However, I can literally count on zero fingers the number of times I’ve ever seen any U.S. official (public or private) written about in this manner — even from otherwise excellent reporters like Dayen. If, say, Ahmadinejad says something, reporters always write “Ahmadinejad says he thinks…” or “Ahmadinejad says he belives…”.
But anyone stateside? Forget it. Even from Dayen.
Well, unless it’s to say “Ahmadinejad wants to destroy Israel.” Then there’s no attempt at accuracy.
Discussing the Democrats strategy for the next four years and the impending “fiscal cliff” (which should not and actually does not include the expiring bush tax cuts) is naive if you are starting with the assumption they are on the side of the 99% or even the majority of Americans. Disabuse yourself of that notion and their strategy becomes more political cover and propaganda than desire for substantive change in the status quo. Aristocracy is ruling our Government and O is just a mouthpiece.
Obama’s mandate is to deliver to his corporate paymasters. Being a lame duck makes him able to ignore any citizen pushback. What I don’t understand is how he isn’t facing a significant riot among his Democratic Senate/House colleagues who are going to reap the whilrwind of this in 2014. They do have to stand for re-election. Was nothing learned after the vote on Obamacare in 2010? Do they want to undo their electoral momentum for a Rockefeller Republican (as Cornel West called Obama on Democracy Now).****
But that’s okay too. B/c Obama wanted what Clinton had: a Republican House and Senate to make the Democratic membership entirely irrelevant.
If the Dems in Congress vote along with “their” President, they have placed the noose around their own necks.
***BTW that clip of West talking to Amy Goodman on Democracy now was brutal. Not just against Obama but against the black commentators on MSNBC like Sharpton and Melissa Harris-Perry for Obama apologia. Well worth a look. Very viscerally satisfying
Wednesday, November 14, 2012
“IRS to “Back-Value” Heinous AMT to 2012?”
http://brucekrasting.com/irs-to-back-value-heinous-amt-to-2012/
“I think the AMT tax is a conundrum that has to be fixed. It is the most heinous aspect of the fiscal cliff. I say that because it is the only tax related to the fiscal cliff that has negative implications for 2012 (everything else is forward looking). Can Congress fix the problems with AMT? Sure they can. There are dozens of options. But Congress must act to fix the problem, they simply can’t “do nothing” as has been suggest by some Democrats.”
I wasn’t aware of this. Comments?
preznit just said in presser on all teevee channels — right in the middle of afternoon stories — that freezing middle class tax rates immediately takes care of “half of the fiscal cliff.”
To a followup question from Chuck Todd about whether raising rates on the rich is non-negotiable, preznit said [omitting answer to Petraeus question] “I just wanna emphasize, I am open to new ideas … I’m not gonna just slam the door in their face … I believe this is solvable … I don’t expect Republicans just to adopt my budget … What I will not do is to have a process that is vague, that says we are gonna sorta kinda raise revenue through … dynamic scoring … I’m concerned less about red lines … I’m concerned about … middle class families making up the difference [for wealthy not paying their fair share]. American people want compromise, they want action … they expect that the folks at the top are doing their fair share ….”
Be careful what you wish for
Assume your’re absolutely right. We can go over that cliff and not have any adverse consequences. Okay, if the House Rs take you at your word, then why do they not hold out for the most extreme conditions their little Teahadist hearts can encompass? They would be under no pressure to agree to a reasonable way out of the sequester mess until and unless we reach that point at which the sequester starts to do serious damage.
People seem to forget that this sequester mess is a game of chicken. Our side swerved over the debt ceiling game of chicken, and agreed to hand over the hostage of 20% across the board domestic spending cuts to go into effect automatically if we and the other side failed to reach a deficit reductin agreement by January 2013. All we got in exchange was that they gave up the notional hostage of 20% military spending cuts, which arrangement fails of symmetry because our side is every bit as reluctant as theirs to see “defense” spending cut.
Be that as it may, yes, their side does not want 20% cuts in military spending. They don’t want the downstream economic consequences of any of the cuts, and a lot of them are not quite so stupid as to dismiss the reality of those downstream effects should the cuts happen. Yes, this is a game of chicken, so neither side wants a fiery crash.
So what are you doing trying to convince them that they can be as intransigeant as they want, and there still won’t be any fiery crash?
Remember the run-up to the debt ceiling deadline? Folks on the other side, the real radicals on the other side, took to downplaying the effects of the fiery crash that would have ensued had the US defaulted on its obligations. At the same time, the administration furiously donwplayed any fancy talk of platinum coins or 14ther gambits that were going to make the fiery crash go away even if the Congress didn’t raise the debt ceiling. Of course the administration, even if it would have done any of these things, or just gone on issuing debt in excess of the ceiling without any of these tricks, in the event of an actual failure to raise the ceiling, was absolutely not going to admit beforehand that it would do that, avert the fiery crash. Had it done so, all pressure on the House goons to raise the ceiling would have been lifted, and they would have refused to raise the ceiling in order to leave the administration perpetually in a legal limbo that they would have usd to campaign on.