Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), who has almost become the liaison to the left for cuts to federal health care programs in the grand bargain, gave a speech today at the Center for American Progress that included a couple important points:
• Durbin sequenced the provisions of the deal, saying that Republicans would have to build the framework on taxes, which includes an increase in the top marginal rates, before any Democrat will even begin to talk about social insurance programs. This seems like a hardline stance, but it just mirrors the dominant conversation, which has focused on taxes to the exclusion of practically everything else.
• Though Durbin has sought to bring rank-and-file Democrats along on a grand bargain that would include cuts to those social insurance programs, he set out some red lines. In addition to rejecting the privatization of Medicare or Social Security and the block granting of Medicaid – a common tactic to reject the extreme view to provide space for more modest but still damaging cuts – Durbin took Social Security almost entirely off the table. This matches White House Press Secretary Jay Carney’s statements yesterday. It does appear that’s been filed away for the time being.
In addition, Durbin said, regarding spending cuts on anti-poverty social programs, “Let me be clear: Those cuts will not happen.” And he sought to line up with the Administration’s viewpoint that any changes to Medicare and Medicaid can happen without cuts to benefits, through payment reforms or provider cuts. This would “strengthen” those programs through the reform, he said. He also wanted to exempt infrastructure spending fully from any cuts.
• In fact, Durbin said that any long-term deal would have to include short-term stimulus:
“We can’t just cut our way out of this deficit or tax our way out. We have to think our way out. We have to invest and work our way out,” he said.
Infrastructure is seen as a prime candidate for that stimulus, and the recent devastation to the East Coast could provide a window for that.
• Critically, Durbin also said that any deal would have to include a solution for extending the debt limit:
“I think honestly it’s going to be closer to $4 trillion when it’s all said and done, and I also think that the President isn’t going to sign off on any agreement that doesn’t include some certainty as to budgets, appropriations, dealing with our debt ceiling,” Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) said after a policy speech at the liberal Center for American Progress. “We’re not going to find ourselves at some big party celebrating in February and then turn around in March and have another doomsday scenario with the debt ceiling. We’ve got to get this done as one big package.”
House Speaker John Boehner indicated that resolving the debt limit would come at a price, so Durbin made a kind of response to that.
Overall, Durbin tried to put a happy face on a grand bargain deal expressly to encourage the Professional Left in DC. Many of them came out of a meeting at the White House encouraged by the Democratic line as well. I think there’s a serious case of “trust but verify” needed here. And it should be noted that this is where the party is at before one minute of negotiation with the other side.
…more from Ryan Grim.
UPDATE: Dave Weigel points out that Durbin actually called for a new commission on Social Security, which is usually a way for politicians to punt on the issue, by creating a new blue-ribbon panel.





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Put me down for $50 to any Dem who will primary Dick from the left for the U.S. Senate in 2014.
BooRadley,
Just speaking for myself, but the “dedo” of disgust is pointing in Durbin’s direction. And if Durbin is “primaried” there will be a ton of votes available in the Spanish-speaking communities in Illinois for this pre-supposed primary candidate.
Jaango
Overall, Durbin tried to put a happy face on a grand bargain deal expressly to encourage the Professional Left in DC.
The last four years have left me with zero trust in these assholes.
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It would help if President Obama said he was sorry for extending the Bush Tax Cuts, and stopped claiming that $250,000 a year is “middle class.” The top end of the middle class is $100K. I don’t even know anyone who makes $250,000 a year, and that’s who would benefit most from the so-called “middle class” tax cut.
Let’s preempt the grand bargain by fighting to close a military base, expensive plane and an embargo that besides hurting Cuba hurts US tax revenue and jobs,
http://my.firedoglake.com/richardkanepa/2012/11/27/don-t-forget-the-huge-military-budget-vastly-larger-than-social-security-with-ripe-spots-easier-to-cut/
Hey Dick Durbin. Don’t be a fucking chump! There would be no need for cuts if America was not in servitude to oil. Anything else is a bold faced fucking lie…..
Noe of these assholes are to be trusted……….
Well, they will have no Social Security pensions or Medicare when they are old enough, but at least all of my gay / lesbian acquaintances, who were scared into voting for Obama, will have the right to be married . . .maybe.
Agreed on both. “Trust but verify” should be modified to “verify before trust” in my opinion. As for the second sentence, at least it’s not Obama and the Democrats’ usual starting position of giving the Republicans whatever they demand so they can then move the goalposts. Hopeful. Not saying I’m incredibly optimistic or anything but at least we haven’t yet seen a pre negotiations collapse.
I really loathe Durbin. He is totally spineless and a sell-out. Hope he does get a primary challenge.
I would say giveaway rather than collapse. And I’m suspecting pre-arranged rather than pre-negotiated: these can be tacit agreements, the pre-arrangements don’t have to be explicitly hammered out and signed and sealed beforehand, but everyone on stage knows the choreography.
Got a letter today from SS. Got a raise – $12.00. Hooray! Looking at new yachts.
I agree. Verify then trust.
We will know what happens in 35 days. That will frame our expectations for the next four years. Right now. A little over a month in verification.
Tell me who your yacht dealer is. I might be in that sort of money myself.
Durbin voted for Bowles-Simpson and has never waivered from that position. He hasn’t signed the Sanders pledge not to cut SS and Medicare, and this month people protesting cuts were arrested at his Chicago office.
He appears to be taking SS, Medicare, or Medicaid “off the table” for purposes of the short-term lame-duck budget deal. Until he advocates for the kinds of solutions many of us would be looking for, like removing the SS cap, or expanding Medicare or negotiating prescription drug process, there is every reason to remain skeptical.
(my bold)
Bowles-Simpson SS benefit cuts
So much for petitioning your government via your elected representative. Arrested none the less for waiting to speak via phone? Fascist scum suck
I suppose I’m a pessimist. I don’t think this is going to end well for our side. But. The rich bastards? They’ll keep their cushy estate taxes, their carried Interest. and oh yeah, prolly the favored tax rates as well. What’s that song say” she got the gold mine, I got the shaft” or something like that. ( Jerry Reed, I think)
David should not have relied soley on the testimony of the reporter in the first link. Listen to Durbin in this video clip HERE. He is calling Democrats who won’t make cuts, “irresponsible”. Unless I am hallucinating he is saying something 180 degrees to what the reporter, Susan Davis reported. Maybe he has a ‘script’ which he read to her group and an off script which he demonstrates in my link.
He has historically ended up against the will of the people, supporting Bowles-Simpson, and championing ‘cuts’, rationalizing that they are needed because of the myths of the size and the life expectancy of the radioactive Boomers. This is appearing to be more theatre, smoke. Watch what they actually do.
“Long term viability” when you hear those words you know it is bullshit. Ask LGID on the previous post.
I haven’t watched the video, but I found this quote earlier today, along with a video link also from the Hill.
LINK
(oh, those troublesome “liberals”)
Wow, can’t wait to see mine. Maybe I’ll chip in a boarding ladder.
When will our leaders, the dimwits mostly, finally realize our deficit and debt are virtually meaningless. Only then will the government be freed to pursue the public purpose.
I thought Durbin already said he wasn’t running again.
Am I mistaken?
Think so: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120906/news/709069944/print/
Not my DINO, so I don’t follow closely. Of course, if his lead on cuts becomes alaringly unpopular, he can always say, “I wasn’t sure then………”
One budget measure I would support would be to zero out all federal money for the Secret Service detail of any Representative or Senator who touches any of the social safety net, especially Social Security, Medicare Medicaid, Food Stamps. I’ll bet that would get their attention.
“…any changes to Medicare and Medicaid can happen without cuts to benefits…”
The notion that cutting reimbursement rates is not a cut to benefits is laughable. The lower the reimbursement rates, the fewer doctors that will be willing to see patients dependent on those programs. How is having a benefit you can’t use different from not having the benefit at all?
Looks like we are headed for the “don’t get sick and if you do, die quick” plan.
Awwwww I bet you know “some” folks who make six figures and consider themselves “middle class?”
I’ll give you a hint. They call themselves Congress.
According to what I read from September 2012 he has said he was still running. The Democratic establishment is having problems finding a replacement for him.
I’m pretty sure that neither side is interested in “public purpose.” That’s why both sides are rushing to privatize what they can and divvy up all the profits they can from the process. Privatize education? Sure thing. Make it a requirement that you carry insurance from a for profit if you want health care? Check. Hey, does anybody know how we can profit off of things like Hurricane Sandy? I know we’ll make this an “infrastructure stimulus” that way our corporate buddies can profit some more.
It isn’t like if they were really serious about cutting they couldn’t take 4 trillion from defense and still be way ahead of the rest of the world in spending on defense. Heck I can even give it a nifty name like the “This will help you get ready for that 2014 audit Act” or the “You have so much money that no one can figure out how to ensure it isn’t wasted Act”
Send in Halliburton to fix up New Orleans and Staten Island. They work wonders everywhere they go. Wheres a nice Democrat Party hector meister when you really need one to call people names like moron, or sanctomonious purists. Private enterprise uber alles.
Great. Except that you can put down the Democratic Party and big business for at least a few million to either keep him in office or replace with with another “centrist” Democrat.
Oh, and then he’ll become a highly-paid lobbyist who may have even greater influence on legislation than any single U.S. Senator.
We have to figure out a way to shake up the entire Democratic Party.
Most in Congress are multi-millionaires.
Of course Durbin voted for the Bowles Simpson Commission’s recommendations.
Not only is he a Democratic Senator under Obama, but he is from the same state as Obama and a member of Obama’s B.S. Commission, as was Congressman Ryan.
Obama (and/or his team) knew exactly whom to put on that commission, Republicans, Blue Dogs and Democratic loyalists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Commission_on_Fiscal_Responsibility_and_Reform
Lesser of two evils or more deceptive and more effective of two evils?
I am going with the latter.
Why aren’t they getting rid of this troublesome debt ceiling law for good while they have an opportunity? Let’s remove this opportunity for legislative mischief.