“Bottom line, I’m more disturbed now than I was before,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of the critics, said after the meeting.
The Republican senators have repeatedly said they are concerned with how Rice explained what caused the Benghazi attack during a series of Sept. 16 appearances on Sunday political talk shows. At the time, Rice said that a spontaneous demonstration led to the violence, a claim later debunked by intelligence officials and reports from the ground.
The White House and senior intelligence officials have said that Rice’s statement followed talking points they had approved, including vague wording designed to conceal intelligence information. Rice said that “extremist” elements had participated in the attack, and that the conclusions were preliminary pending FBI investigation.
The darkly comic part of this is that there’s probably no bigger liberal interventionist in the executive branch than Susan Rice. We may not have had a US consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and by association a ruler other than Moammar Gadhafi, if it wasn’t for Susan Rice and her foreign policy perspective winning the day in 2011.
But McCain and Graham – and now Kelly Ayotte, the new amiga for the Three Neocon Amigos – want to collect a scalp because of their personal animosity toward the President, desire to look tough to the folks back home, and preference to show some kind of superiority on foreign policy, which could be useful in future circumstances. So they’ve settled on Rice as the source of their outbursts. John McCain in particular, who just a day before showed a softer approach toward Rice, now says that he would be “hard pressed” to support her for Secretary of State.
Rice has now acknowledged that there was no demonstration in Benghazi on the night of the attack on September 11, arguing that she worked off approved, unclassified talking points when she made comments on the Sunday shows. Even if she had classified knowledge, she wouldn’t have been able to release those details in a public forum. The Republican argument that Rice should have revealed classified information or done her own investigation to more readily answer questions about an attack five days after the fact doesn’t make much sense. Moreover, nobody has been able to properly explain why there’s supposed to be a cover-up here, and what the Administration sought in linking the attack to the anti-Muslim video that spawned demonstrations around the Middle East and North Africa (which Ansar al-Sharia, the group in Libya seen as responsible for the attack, cited as an opportunistic incident they could exploit by putting their attack in motion).
Meanwhile, this shouldn’t be so much a question about Benghazi as a question about the filibuster. Barack Obama clearly wants Rice as his next Secretary of State. He almost certainly has majority support in the Senate for that appointment. He may even have 60 votes. But there’s no reason that, short of 60 votes, a minority led by a vengeful John McCain should disrupt Obama from getting his choice of adviser in place. Advise and consent is one thing, but super-majority advise and consent doesn’t exist in the Constitution. In fact, the Federalist Papers argue specifically against it. “Its real operation is to embarrass the administration, to destroy the energy of government and to substitute the pleasure, caprice or artifices of an insignificant, turbulent or corrupt junta, to the regular deliberations and decisions of a respectable majority,” wrote Alexander Hamilton at the time. I don’t often quote Hamilton, but he’s clearly correct here.
Democrats have the ability to change the Senate rules at the beginning of the session. They plan to do it. Support groups reassembled a reform coalition to help with public opinion for the fight. But there’s no indication that Democrats plan to remove the 60-vote Senate by eliminating in any way the filibuster threshold for nominations and legislation. Sure, they may make it more arduous on the part of the minority. They may make them talk for a while. Do you think John McCain and Lindsey Graham would pass up the opportunity to talk, in uninterrupted fashion, about Benghazi and Susan Rice? Fox would build a new channel around it!
Unless Democrats are willing to subscribe to the normal majority rules that govern almost all legislative bodies in the world, we’re going to have more pointless Susan Rice situations.






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Susan Rice is a liberal interventionist? I’d like to hear more about that. Seems more like a classic neocon hawk to me. She actually has a lot in common with McCain and Graham, which is another thing that makes the whole situation quite bizarre.
If it looks like Kabuki Show, smells like Kabuki Show & quacks like Kabuki Show, why then: I’ll take Kabuki Show for $500, Dave!
Susan Rice is a NeoCon/NeoLib War Hawk, but, unlike the “other” Rice, she has that Big D beside her name, and I ain’t referring to a town in Tejas.
Tres Amigos perform Kabuki Show for the rightwing base. Gotta toss ‘em some red meat after their “stunning defeat,” doncha know?
I’m not so sure that I’m thrilled about Rice as the next SOS, but then again, as the French say: Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.
Madeline Albright? Condi Rice? Hilary Clinton? Susan Rice?
I ain’t seeing much difference going on here.
In my opinion, Susan Rice should never have agreed to meet with McCain,Ayotte,and Graham a few days ago.
They have their agenda and all that meeting did was reinforce their obstinance and give them more air time.
The issue was dying, McCain was softening (which I do not believe for a minute)and we were moving on.
To give these three more time in front of the cameras was a mistake.
As far as Susan Rice as Sec. of State, I would prefer John Kerry, but that would open up a chance for Scott whats his name again a new chance to run for Senator in Mass.
McCain needs to eat a bag of prunes, take his Viagra, and down a shot or two of Jack Daniels. After a good shit, banging the old lady, and loosening up, he’ll be right as rain.
Holy Buckets, could Barasso be more obvious than on MSNBC this morning that this is all about pushing Kerry for SecState. So ham-handed I think McConnell had the feed cut.
Bring it on.
The party of nope was all to ready and willing to support hail Mary from the tundra to a heartbeak away from leader of the free world. McCain will go down in history as one of the greatest political partisan hacks of all time.
onitgoes @ #2: yep, “kabuki” is the first and last word that came to my mind as well.
Apparently subtlety isn’t Senator Barasso’s strong suit. Rachel Maddow has pointed out that if Kerry resigns his Senate seat, then Scott Brown could get back in.
Hop back in the red pickup Scott Brown–we are going all out to get you another shot lol.
Reid needs to grow a set and go with up and downs in next senate. My take is he has the votes if he actually does his job and lines up behind it himself. F### the repugs. With the REPUG transparent push for Kerry it becomes essential to keep him in the senate at least thru the first 2 years of 2nd term and with a majority rules senate get some bus done which sets up the failure button for house repugs as they obstruct (and take the fall) and sweep those bums out in midterm.
Love the Scott Brown angle. As senior senator, Broadway Bob Kerry isn’t going to much like being upstaged by his junior partner anyway. And his French is getting rusty.
It will also be interesting to see whether Obama plays true to character and backs away from Rice in the face of increased pressure brought by the two clowns and their new partner. Wonder if Dawn Johnsen would submit an opinion on that.
meanwhile John Boehner surrounds himself with wimmens who are not cttee chairs to posture about spending in today’s tired photo-op
fergawdssake it was a talk show, not testimony, Susan Collins. wherein she blithely skips over the entire W presidency…
but we have “troubled” … drink word of the day.
and the posturing rolls on.
When did Susan Collins get so unreasonable??
P.S. And hurray for Angus King.
It is sad that Democrats would support Rice, who after all came from the Brookings Institute: An Oil industry think tank posing as “Liberal” or “Progressive” so as to place guests on news shows and C-SPAN.
“…collect a scalp…”
That’s exactly what it is. They want to start Obama’s second term off by spaying and neutering him all over again.
Rice is very much an empire builder…I think she would have fit in the Bush administration, quite comfortably, but if Obama starts off by caving on her nomination, he’ll be sending the same old signals to the republicans as he did in his first term:
“If I bend over, will you guys at least bring your own vaseline?”
It’s a perfect yardstick of how badly progressives have gotten our asses kicked that we’re reduced to wanting Obama to stand up for appointing this neo-Bushian as SecState…just to see him actually confront the republicans for a change.
“Reid needs to grow a set.”
I giggle.
No! I howl! :o)
The Senate will reform the filibuster just in time to prevent Sanders, Whitehouse, Brown etc from using it to kill Obama’s and the GOP’s Grand Bargain.
I frankly could not care less if Rice is confirmed. Anyone who has been part of Obama’s foreign policy/national security team ought to be anathema to liberals.
I don’t know much about Rice but if Johnny Boy and Lindsay the Tough oppose her that’s reason enough for me to support her. They are dickheads.
I don’t want to see that war hawk Susan Rice become Secretary of State. However, she is being opposed for strictly partisan reasons and another war hawk just like her would be the alternative. Still, I hope they give her hell for whatever reason because that is what she deserves.
Depends on how much weight one gives to Russia Today (aka: Putin) and their take on Libya and Syria. Gotta remember that Putin backed both Moammar and Bashir and note the spin accordingly. (Just as one would note the spin/bias for any news source.)
That being said, Gaddafi, early on, was probably better for the majority of his people than his replacements are likely to be.
it’s all about getting Scott Brown in the Senate. Wall Street’s top money recipient can’t be denied a good chance at obstructing any and all wall street regulation ideas, wall street always gets a return on investment.
Obama did the right thing allowing the CIA dude to sit in the meeting, which totally deflects the three NeoCons argument, that they “still have more questions.” They are truly an absurd sideshow at this point, a rare good move by Obama.
McCain is a misogynist as was clearly proven back in ’08 by Professional Left bloggers who are not really the media. Publicly embarrassing his wife, berating and insulting witnesses to tears is his MO, now apparently, also too, he’s a racist. With Rice he has the daily-double. Graham is from SC, enough said, and Ayotte is the token female. This is the party that gave Colin Powell his bio-weapons, anthrax talking points. And then there’s Harriet Miers. What short memories the Village Media has, another group the DFH’s maligned. So it’s leveling the playing field – “Both sides do it!”
FDR’s 1940 letter to the DNC about their obstruction and disapproval to his VP candidate Henry Wallace clearly spells out the split in the Party that remains to this day. Seems many want Obama to be on the FDR side of the party when he really is on the corporate-business-Wall Street side. He doesn’t care what the other side wants – too liberal/too socialist.
Nominating Kerry? After just adding seats to the Senate? McCaskill was supposed to lose. Are you fucking kidding me!
She’s the black version of John Bolton in drag.
We any closer to knowing who actually orchestrated the attack. Clear unequivocal evidence?
More important was it another CIA black torture site ?