The high-stakes battle over the fiscal slope has detoured into a high-stakes battle over the government’s debt limit. Seeing little hope of forestalling rises top-level tax rates, Republicans have discussed a plan to relent on that and then move directly to a debt limit showdown, where they have the advantage because of the need to have Congress act affirmatively to hike that borrowing capacity.
The President has gathered business leaders to press the case that the debt limit must be extended, and he has said he will simply not negotiate over it. However, the White House did give up significant leverage on this question yesterday, with spokesman Jay Carney saying that the President will not use the 14th Amendment’s language about how the validity of the public debt “shall not be questioned” to essentially supersede the debt limit. Carney said the President does not believe he has the power under the 14th Amendment to ignore the debt limit.
The White House prefers the option of effectively neutering the debt limit, by making it an executive branch request that Congress can only disapprove, subject to veto by the President. This turns the debt limit vote from a simple majority to raise it into an effective 2/3 majority to stop raising it. Mitch McConnell, obviously thinking that Congress would never willingly constrain its own power, put legislation like that on the floor of the Senate yesterday, until he realized Senate Democrats were totally willing to do that, leading him to filibuster his own bill.
There are actually other theories beyond the 14th Amendment at the President’s disposal to ignore the debt limit, including the minting of a $1 trillion platinum coin, under the authority of the Treasury Department. But it looks clear from the Administration’s stance, having consulted their legal advisors at the Office of Legal Counsel, that they won’t reach for something this novel.
A more likely course, if the White House refuses to negotiate, is that they would just start shutting down large sectors of the government and only keeping open what can be paid for out of existing funds. This would cause a massive disruption, but could play out like the government shutdown of 1995-96, especially if Republicans got blamed for the closures of national parks and inability to get passports processed and all the hundreds of thousands if not millions of furloughs.
The problem here actually goes back to last year’s debt limit showdown. This opened a Pandora’s box, telling Republicans in this case that they can take this vote hostage and find a receptive audience in the White House willing to negotiate with them. The President at the time wanted a debt limit showdown as a forcing event to get a grand bargain. He claims that circumstances have changed and that he won’t negotiate this time around. But the problem here is that Republicans learned from the debt limit fight that they can wield this normally routine vote as a weapon. It’s critical to nip that in the bud before it becomes routine practice, before it’s too late.
The other possibility here is that we’re seeing a sequenced grand bargain. The President and House Speaker John Boehner are meeting alone today. The private talks have resumed at all levels. It’s plausible that the parties are orchestrating some kind of two-step. “Exasperated” Republicans first pass the bill extending tax cuts on the first $250,000 of income, letting the rates go up on the top 2%. Then they use the debt limit leverage to get a second deal, with spending cuts and slashes to the safety net. Democrats will say that they lost their leverage and had to give in the second time around. But the whole thing may have been planned from the start.
Provided that Boehner can keep his job, this may just work. But in public, anyway, the talk is of no negotiation whatsoever on the debt limit. We’ll have to see how that holds.
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That’s what I’m thinking, too.
Great work! David, I was not able to take the time yesterday, but I want to thank you so very much for all of your extremely hard work over the last years to keep us informed and up to date on matters fiscal and fraud.
You have been outstanding, and I hope that your break from the relentlessness of all of this posting will open you up to opportunities that will increase your capacity for influence and remuneration!
All best to you. Thank you again.
An austerity driven recession looms for 2013, the collapse of the Euro, more costly natural disasters, a harsh winter, infrastucture decay, medical inflation still out of control, Banks and hedge funds still basically unregulated, among many other issues and this is the chickenshit we are talking about in “our” Government. Secession might not be so crazy.
Didn’t Bill Clinton say the other day it is all kabuki? And we are the fuckees in this dance. If he gave up the constitutional approach, then Obama has given up. Unless he allows a default he has no choice but to negotiate or take the deal. Rs win again. Nice job Bummer!
another great summation from David Dayen.
agreed, this was the negotiating plan all along. Obama comes out early to say the 14th amendment cannot be used, and thus enshrines his excuse to cut the safety net and secure his corner office at the Pete Peterson institute, and massive speaking fees on the corporate circuit after 2016.
We have B.Clinton advocating using the 14th, and most of the Dem leaders in the house, even Steny Hoyer for chrissakes, and favored by Pelosi as well. Can they all be that wrong ? For Obama to come out this week and categorically disavow the 14th, is the sure sign that he will fold and slash the safety net. That is the only explanation that makes sense.
Given the obvious aptitute of Obama’s new advisors to actually negotiate, we can no longer blame the old “they’re terrible negotiators” excuse.
This is the setup for Obama to throw the populace under the bus and reaffirm his moderate Republican policy stance, ensuring a lucrative
retirement future with the plutocratic elites.
I hope that all of Obama’s supporters see what he is doing here. Truly disgusting stuff.
Put pressure on the white house to use the 14th, call out their despicable plan.
I’m afraid that sounds entirely plausible.
It would have been nice to try the 14th amendment. If the supremes ruled against him, so what? The whole world would know who really screwed up. The way it is, the fault is all Bummers.
He has effectively already caved. But I will know who screwed us and so will history.
Are you suggesting that our political classes don’t give a shit about us?
Obama and Boehner meeting alone does not give me a good feeling. Don’t trust either.
Oh no! They give us shit. Look around :)
I would specifically note the ongoing drought in parts of the upper midwest and the great plains as part of the “more costly natural disasters”.
I live in northern iowa and in the past 12 months we have had a grand total of 23 inches of precipitation, including the liquid snowfall equivalent. Normal precip for a year is c. 35 inches–and thus far this winter there has been nothing but one-time flurries. Not much on the horizon either.
West of here it is much worse. Food costs increases should really kick in next summer.
It’s misleading to continue to refer to this as a confict between the R’s and Obama. The 1% wins, the rest of us lose.
So, the president can appropriate extra judicial powers on the one hand but is afraid of the 14th amendment on the other hand? Bullshit. Obama has no respect for anything Constitutional, or otherwise, that he wants to abrogate. The whole discussion is phoney baloney. Tell him there’s a suspected terrorist hiding in the 14th amendment and he’d order the hit in a NY second.
And (if scientists are right) it will only get worse. The optimism I have now comes from the hope that humans are generally at their best when things are at their worst. So much needless suffering while the worst approaches.
Boehner goes one-on-one to get a deal. His leadership team is composed of folks who want him gone as Speaker. This to me says that the GOP expects the automatic tax cut expirations and the automatic sequester to actually take place but want to bargain as much as they can in order to dodge the expiration of the middle class tax cut. A good deal for the GOP; his leadership team takes credit for stiffening Boehner’s spine. No deal; they have to deal with middle class tax cuts in the new Congress. Either way, Boehner’s the scapegoat.
Obama has stated that he doesn’t see just using the 14th amendment and blowing by the debt ceiling as wise. In a game of Chicken, that’s like throwing the steering wheel out of the car. If the GOP pushes the US into another credit rating write-down, they will take the blame again. And if Obama blinks, the GOP will take the blame for all the cuts that will occur. And that is precisely because of Obama’s “I’m open to negotiation” stance and the GOP’s inflexibility (the “Party of No” meme has gotten pretty embedded in public consciousness. The solution negotiated in 2011 of the SuperCongress gave Congress the chance to demonstrate whether it was functional or dysfunctional; it failed the test by us now coming to an automatic sequester. Likely it will fail the test again and the automatic sequester will occur on January 1.
Enjoy the endless kabuki. Act II will begin in January.
Assuming that your hope is true, unfortunately I think there are just so many institutional impediments (mainly the financial and political class) that would do everything they can to ignore the needless suffering, no matter what the people want. It goes without saying we see this at work everyday.
Interesting ideas, and very plausible, but the way I see it we’re going over the cliff.
The President will get his raise in tax rates and the GOP gets cuts in spending, then the President will try to get tax rates lowered for everyone below $200,000, but the GOP will fight to totally change the tax code, by lowering the tax rates, and reducing the loopholes, and limiting anyone above $200,000 to deduct a max of 2% of their income.
I also see this at work every day but I also see that people don’t just disappear and give up. The wealthy class is in power now but they will be surprised when they take too much and they are very far down that road right now. Third generation wealthy people are super sensitive and narcissistic and preternaturally stupid.
What I’m thinking too. “I can order the extra-judicial killing of any American citizen, but the Constitution doesn’t give me the power to do what it explicitly says”. Bullshit is right.
-stewartm
I don’t know why there’s even any discussion around this. Obama’s attitudes and actions make it clear he does whatever he damn well wants to. Period. End of story.
Obama is doing what he is allowed to do and nothing more and we the people are not the ones holding the reins.
The “cliff” was downgraded to “slope” on the fear meter, so they bring back the debt ceiling boogeyman.
Lobby
Lobby the President not to cave?
He does not disagree with the Republicans about the privatization of Social Security, just the way it shoul be done.
“The Republicans want to privatize Social Security; without the necessary cuts.”
That’s the criticism he leveled at previous Republican plans for privatization. This qoute can be found in his book: “The Audacity of Hope”
Didn’t take Obama long to go back to negotiating with himself. Voting for him was the hardest poltical thing I’ve ever had to do. What a mess.
You did not have to do it, you chose to do it. I chose to vote for Stewart Alexander, I did not have to do it. As George Carlin pointed out, the mess is yours. You voted for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk
How about an underground Budget committee. Libertarians are pissed that they suddenly got purged from the Budget and Finance Committee. They can form an underground committee with progressives the first agreement being a 50%cut in Defense Spending and 10% more each month the war continues, or the debt ceiling is about to be reached.
One sticky point, what can Progressives offer in a compromise with Libertarians? I have some ideas here,
http://my.firedoglake.com/richardkanepa/2012/12/08/lefties-must-defend-libertarians-in-this-time-of-crisis-or-bernie-sanders-might-be-next/
I would have voted for Obama in a real swing state, there was fear he might lose in even PA but I didn’t vote for him because if Pennsylvania had to have a recount he would have lost elsewhere even more.
PhilS, which state do you live in?