Since Jon Chait has never met a concession he didn’t like, he comes out with an endorsement of raising the Medicare eligibility age as part of a long-term deficit deal. So his cover for what is universally regarded as a terrible idea surely led deficit scolds seeking to use the problem to weaken the safety net to give each other high-fives.
Let’s look at Chait’s reasoning. I would probably start with the fact that he’s not 64 or 65. My parents are, and until my dad reached Medicare in November, they were paying $2,500 a month on the private market for health insurance. So I’ll be happy to provide him with their phone number so he can tell them how it’s “tolerable” for them to spend two years more than they expected doing that.
But soft! Here are his actual reasons. One, Democrats have to accept concessions (that’s always a good strategic place from which to begin a negotiation!), and the scolds seem to like raising the eligibility age. So let’s give ‘em what they want. This is a bizarrely content-free assertion. The phrase “If Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles wanted you to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do it?” springs to mind. Second, he thinks that Republicans will somehow forget that this only raises $100 billion, at most, over 10 years, and will then drop any demands to hit a particular number in the negotiations.
Then there’s this bit of folly:
What’s more, raising the Medicare retirement age would help strengthen the fight to preserve the Affordable Care Act [...] The political basis for the right’s opposition to universal health insurance has always been that the uninsured are politically disorganized and weak. But a side effect of raising the Medicare retirement age would be that a large cohort of 65- and 66-year-olds would suddenly find themselves needing the Affordable Care Act to buy their health insurance. Which is to say, Republicans attacking the Affordable Care Act would no longer be attacking the usual band of very poor or desperate people they can afford to ignore but a significant chunk of middle-class voters who have grown accustomed to the assumption that they will be able to afford health care. Strengthening the political coalition for universal coverage seems like a helpful side benefit — possibly even one conservatives come to regret, and liberals, to feel relief they accepted.
This is cynical, to say the least. It’s also completely wrong. The one thing we know will be a side effect of increasing the Medicare eligibility age is that insurance premiums will skyrocket. It will make Medicare more expensive because they lose relatively healthy 65 and 66 year-olds from their risk pool, and it will make private insurance more expensive because they add relatively sick 65 and 66 year-olds to their risk pool. Insurers hate the idea for just this reason. As a result, everyone’s premiums will rise, and cost-shifting will ensue from the government to its citizens.
People with busy lives don’t differentiate between what provisions in health care can be attributed to the Affordable Care Act and what provisions come from a fiscal deal. They’ll just know that the ACA got implemented in 2014, and as a result their insurance rates jumped. It’s maybe the worst strategic plan in the world to raise the Medicare age to bolster support for the Affordable Care Act by raising how much everyone has to spend on health insurance, particularly those who don’t get subsidies, the same “significant chunk of middle-class voters who have grown accustomed to the assumption that they will be able to afford health care.”
The idiocy on display here can hardly be believed. The dangerous part is how many members of the Democratic caucus might agree with this logic, Nancy Pelosi excepted.




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Is anyone really surprised by this? People like Chait, K-Drum, Yglesias and Ezra Klein are what give Democrats a bad name.
I have no problem raising the age to 68 over time, but it should only be done with two conditions–first, people 50 and above are able to buy into Medicare, and people between the age of 65 and the then current higher age who have incomes below a certain level ($40,000 indexed perhaps) pay nothing.
Now that E.J. Dionne is getting old, Jon Chait has become top candidate for the coveted “Even the Democrats…” chair.
This will be sorely missed.
Democrats had their chance to avoid this bullshit by reforming the health care system to bring costs in line with other countries. Instead, they whiffed, and passed the Heritage Foundation Sickcare Plan. They can’t have it both ways.
The rich (both “Democrats” and Republicans) attempting to make changes in programs that will never impact them because they have the financial means.
This is happening as Glenn Greenwald predicted–
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/07/obama-progressives-left-entitlements
Horrifying.
Its always the folks that sit behind a fucking desk that tout the benefits of raising the retirement age, i wonder why that is… wonder how they would feel if they had to actually do manual labor into damn near their 70s
If I call the Dems “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” from the left, does that make me a bad person? Maybe not. But probably a deluded one. What all these pols have in common: they’re the ruling class. Sorry if that’s just too old-fashioned and leftish-sounding. But we are slapped all around the head on a daily basis by the fact, yet continue to talk about Dems and Republicans as if one side is ours and the other isn’t. That’s bunk.
Until the Stock Market goes below 10,000 the wealthy class will take no notice of the suffering of the rest of us. Austerity driven recessions turn into depressions. Rich people just don’t care or have no frame of reference to the lives of “average/normal” people. It took photos of the abuses in child labor to finally get laws to protect children 100 years ago because the PTB don’t have the imagination to picture suffering in their own minds. To them flying commercial is suffering.
He really brings magical thinking to a whole new level
Thank you, David. Would he qualify as a “liberal enabler” of Republican policies?
Screw the POS……..
This is one you just have to lay at the feet of Obama. One word from him and this terrible proposal would go away. I think this has the potential to destroy his Presidency once and for good. I think the same applies to SS if he raises the eligibility age. What is even worse from my perspective is the deficit is not the issue. It never was and never will be bc we can always pay our bills. This is the worst of all possible proposals.
Yes, I like that phrase— magical thinking. I wonder if it works? You know we pretend we are truly smart people with great ideas and some magic happens to make it so. And we thought our leaders and pundits were really smart people.
Chait is Tweedledum to Drum’s Tweedledee on these issues. The wankery never ends.
I heard someone on the tube a few minutes ago talk about the ” math” of entitlements. So now they have convinced themselves and are now trying to convince all of us that cuts are indeed needed. This particular math was there are so few people working to support SS payments. It is wrong. But if it were in the ball park, what are we doing about twenty million people looking for work and now we want more austerity? Idiots.
No, Democrats are who give Democrats a bad name.
No, Jon Chait, let’s stop the death and *lower* the Medicare eligibility age to, like, zero and cover every aspect of human health (mental, dental, vision, the works!).
If Obama was on “our” side we would know it by know. He’s not.
The truly sad thing is that a lot of citizens are hoodwinked by POS shills like Chait into believing that we *have to* cut SS & Medicare because they’re the reasons why the nation is in such debt blah blah blah.
I hear it all the time from various friends of mine, many of whom should know better but do not.
What kind of health insurance coverage does Chait have? What’s his “salary”? What are his financial prospects going forward in terms of longevity of his job? What’s his portfolio look like? In truth, all of this should be disclosed before some monkey like Chait flings his financial poo out to the masses. If he’s sitting pretty (which undoubtedly he is), then he needs to STFU about this kind of thing, which has a devastating impact on the lives of millions who are not in a position to earn giant salaries with top of the line perks & health care benefits.
ptoui!
We gave him another chance as the lesser of the two fucks. He is screwing up his second chance. If he goes through with this shit…….. He will seal his fate with history.
Ptoui!! Got that right for sure.
I turned 65 this year, and needed a left knee replacement, a hernia repair, and a gall bladder removal. Without Medicare I would have been screwed.
I just can’t believe this shit about the fiscal cliff. It is all so unnecessary. it is really,hard to,believe coming from supposedly smart people. They all know the numbers and the CBO confirms them. And all of them, all of the numbers are so fucking meaningless.
You’re pissing me OFF.
I think a great start would for the Democrats to take a play out of the Republican book. The Republican mindset is that if the facts conflict with ideology, go in the opposite direction from the facts. The Democrats need to do something similar. If the Republicans want to raise the age of eligibility for Medicare, the Democrats should want the age reduced to 60. If the Republicans want to lower taxes on the wealthy, the Democrats should advocate raising them.
So he’s saying that given the option of the ACA or nothing, people will learn to love the lesser of two evils.
By 2014 the D’s will be pushing vouchers, the R’s will have moved to recommending freezing under a bridge, and liberals will be saying it’s the Most Important Election of Our Lifetime.
o’s mission as pres is to resusitate the repugs again and again. o’s search for a “grand bargain” gives the repugs a zombie life that would disappear if not for him. The “progressives” that follow chait’s (and others) line of reason always seem to be people who are relatively well fixed in life. Foisting more and more “austerity” on the nation would be good for us, getting SS and Medicare are soul-destroying crutches that should be broken; this would show the true power of our indomitable souls.
No, but it makes you a person who likes to quote Montgomery Burns. ;-)
So when is Obama going to give Chait the job the latter has been begging for now for over a year?
January 21st.
Yes! Improved Medicare for All…Now! I am a nurse and see what happens when access to health care is delayed, limited or non existent. It’s not pretty. We can do this (HR676), we can afford this, we only lack the will in Washington to make it happen. We are not broke! There is money enough for endless war, bank bail outs, domestic surveillance, oil subsidies, etc… It’s time to re-think, re- prioritize what we value. I say people and the planet are our top priorities. What say you? What say you!
You forgot Josh “building the brand” Marshall…
The Insurance companies totally wring you dry with exorbitant premiums between ages 60-65. At a bare minimum, we should be able to buy in to medicare at a reduced rate, say $200 per month for years 55-65, then be eligible for medicare advantage. Anything else is basically stealing from people.
This is why Democrats are actually worse than Republicans. The Democrats have the gall to tell you they are your friends and are trying to help you. And they’re so full of self-righteous bullshit and deceit that they may actually have convinced themselves that they are. Their contempt is expressed in the knife in the back, which you feel but don’t see coming. The Republicans on the other hand will tell you they hate you to your face. Which is a kind of honesty.
The DC group and their pundits suffer from divorced from reality syndrome. They have absolutely no idea how the half of the world that survives by forcing their bodies to day after day to take the physical toll of labor actually live but by damn it they are going to opine about it.
It’s been going on for years. I’ve been suffering from tongue lacerations every time one of those putzes would opine that the poor are poor because they have more bad habits then most. Uh no, they just don’t have a safety net and so they suffer the consequences of those habits more than most. It has nothing to do with the actual habits themselves or folks like Noelle Bush (got caught stealing a prescription pad) or Dick Cheney(DUI) would also be poor.
I’d bought like to have screamed the other day when reading the comments on a yahoo article about the striking fast food workers. It’s amazing the number of entitled putzes who opined that they only deserved $1300 to live on because apparently we belong being neurosurgeons and if you don’t have THAT capacity then you totally deserve to be forced to beg like a dog for scraps.
Embrace the pragmatism…….
Heck as “pragamatic” as Chait is I’m surprised that the “well at least he’s not a Republican” brigade can’t find a higher office for him to run for.
Chait has replied on his blog, in his usual dismissive fashion. What a tool he is, and doesn’t even know it.
There’s not that I can add to this conversation, so, perhaps, I should keep my trap shut. However, a tad of fun can be had here given my proclivity for being both ornery and grumpy.
Take, for example, Atrios agrees with David. Digby goes after Chait due to her diagreement with Chait over Iraq. And Kilgore “counsels” Calm, among progressives.
I, on the other hand agree far more with David than I do with Chait. And of course, for the “usual” reasons that Medicare should be kept pristine for all intent and purpose, And in my doing so, economic/financial history has adwquately proven that Medicare, the VA and Indian Health Services proved “qualitative and quantitative” health care is far better delivered than does the private sector, and especially when tax dollars are factored in when the utilization of two “yardsticks” for any stellar measurement.
In closing, the Great European Migration is coming to a close and thusly, Native Americans/Chicanos/African Americans/Asian Americans, are and will be far less timid when it comes to calling out the Chaits of this world and when there is no emphasis as to the “unmet needs” of our mulitplicity of communities. Regardless, as the white Progressives are determined to advocate to “anyone who is listening” in white America, this behavior is well-recognized and well-understood, by us and which reinforces the lackluster profit-taking among the national media outlets. And yet, the “messaging” among Progressives have much to be desired.
Jaango