The one reason that a set of filibuster reforms that fall short of eliminating the 60-vote Senate may still allow for majoritarian democracy in that body is that it would set the precedent that the Senate can determine its rules with a majority vote rather than a 2/3 vote. The minority still obstructing consistently would have to think about what might happen if the majority has the ability to further tweak the rules in future years, further limiting their ability to obstruct.
So of course, that’s the one sticking point in the filibuster reform measures that Harry Reid wants to implement.
During floor votes, on the Senate subway and over breakfast meetings, senators from both parties are quietly trading ideas to avoid the precedent-setting move to alter filibuster rules with a simple majority — rather than two-thirds — vote. They’re alarmed that the move could fundamentally change the Senate: Future majorities could cite such a precedent to change whatever rules they want in an institution designed to protect the rights of the minority [...]
top Senate Republicans — including John McCain of Arizona, Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Jon Kyl of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina — are trying to head off the showdown. They’re reaching out to Democrats who have expressed concerns about changing the rules by 51 votes, including Sens. Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Carl Levin of Michigan. And Republicans are reaching out to a key Reid ally, New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, the No. 3 Senate Democrat and chairman of the Rules Committee, to see whether a deal can be cut before the new Congress convenes in January.
The same “nuclear option” that these eminences grises of the Senate Republican caucus now purport to be wary of was the one many of them were on board with using in 2005 for judicial nominations, in the middle of a Senate session, rather than at the beginning of the session, as under the Udall/Merkley “Constitutional option.” This idea that if the Senate can set its rules by majority vote, then cats and dogs will start living together, is really amazing. What other organization in the world objects to the mere setting of rules for conduct for the body with a simple majority?
For those not wedded to Senate tradition like myself, this use of the simple majority doesn’t strike me as a difficult call. To those steeped in that tradition, perhaps it feels like the world will change. But that world has changed. The Senate has gradually but inexorably become a dysfunctional body because of the mass of veto points that can be wielded by any individual member. This creates a crisis for democracy, and needs to be dispensed with as soon as possible. It would particularly make sense to do this now, under divided government, so that the alleged tyranny that would result would accomplish virtually nothing. It would just mean that the Senate can function like a legitimate legislative body once again.




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The filibuster itself and the fear of eliminating it are utter bullshit, pure and simple. Every state legislature, either bicameral or unicameral, does uses majority rule. Same with European and Australian parliaments. They seems to function quite well.
The fucked-up filibuster is just a handy excuse to do nothing and avoid accountability to the nation in general and their constituents in particular.
Am I supposed to be surprised?
Spot on.
The minority gets to stop stuff, and the majority can float stuff just to “frame” an issue knowing full well it will never get to a vote.
They need to do away with filibuster without exception, but probably never will. A pox on both sides, either can diddle it to their advantage whether in the majority or minority.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
They will not change the rules. You can take that to the bank. They do.
The last time around, Majority Leader Harry Reid agreed not to do anything about the filibuster in exchange for a promise by Republicans not to obstruct legislation. I don’t know what he was thinking.
No, the Senate wasn’t designed this way. The filibuster is not written into the Constitution; it’s one of the many sad legacies of Aaron Burr.
And the 2/3 vote to change Senate procedure doesn’t apply at the beginning of a new session, when the new Senate adopts its rules. Even after that, a simple majority can vote to change the rules, though it’s more complicated.
Harry Reid just did this in October 2011; Robert Byrd did it four times during his tenure.
In a perfect world, why did Reid need to make that deal? He didn’t, but compromised anyway for something he could have made disappear for good.
My #7 is re: #5. Reply flag not posting. . .
What the hell is wrong with majority rule? The idea that a bunch of small-state senators can control proceedings for the rest of us is repugnant.
Told ya.
But points for using the phrase éminence grise.
Just once…..I wish someone in Washington would surprise me…Anyone?
I’m sure a deal could be made with Republicans, but have Republicans ever bargained in good faith.
Perhaps he was thinking with his spine. Oh wait …
The Senate, the ultimate demonstration of the “Peter Principle”. They got promoted to their level of incompetence.
Of course, even if they manage to pull the Wizard-of-Oz curtain aside on the filibuster, there will still be nothing like majority rule in national politics, as long as there is such a thing as “small-state senators”, in the current sense of states like Wyoming and California having equal representation in the Senate …
… and the unelected priesthood of the Supreme Court busying itself with everything except defending the actual rights of vulnerable individuals and minorities,
… and the unelected priesthood of the Federal Reserve,
… and the Electoral College,
… and government by secret, Presidential decree over an ever growing range of matters related to the so-called “national security” realm, which is where all the money goes,
… and enormous hurdles to amending the Constitution (which is effectively unamendable, by its own terms, as to equal representation in the Senate, vide supra),
… and inflexible terms of elected office, not allowing for parliamentary solutions when an incumbent government/administration has lost credibility,
… and no democratic power to regulate political campaign spending (and duration), since First-Amendment jurisprudence has turned the whole subject into a suicide belt wrapped around legitimate free-speech rights, vide Supreme Court, supra,
… and I don’t want to fill up the whole Internet, so I’ll stop.
Have Senators McCain, Alexander, Kyl, and Graham offered up any explanation as to why anyone, anywhere should trust a republican senator? These four are part of the problem. How often in the last four years did any one of them offer to break a filibuster? Or, for that matter, offer anything in good faith negotiations?
Why would anyone cut a deal with these charlatans? They’ve already proven themselves.
Regarding the GOP Sens. . . “Why would anyone cut a deal with these charlatans?”
Exactly. But the way to moot them out is for Reid to invoke 51 votes to scotch filibuster on the first day of the next session. Just do it.
I don’t understand the claim of setting a precedent.
I read years ago that, at the start of a new session, a majority suffices to change a Senate rule, so this is nothing new.