
Obama hopes Business Roundtable's John Engler and CEOs will pressure Boehner into a deal in exchange for lower corporate taxes
My sense in this negotiations is that, if numbers and policy positions are leaking, the two sides are very far apart on a deal. And yesterday we had a lot of leaking, at least on the Republican side.
Here’s what we know. The White House sent a counter-offer to House Speaker John Boehner, one which lowered the revenue target from $1.6 trillion to $1.4 trillion, and which also included a reform of the corporate tax code, presumably of the “lower the rates, broaden the base” style. The Administration has long sought a corporate tax reform, as has probably every one of the many CEOs the President has met with since the election.
If this were a substitute for spending cuts, it would be a frustrating but acceptable trade. It’s amusing to me that these CEOs walked one by one in to meet the President, supposedly out of concern for the nation’s deficit and legacy of debt, and the strongest thing they could come up with was “lower my tax rates.” I think this quote is pretty telling:
“Start at wiping out all of the deductions, figuring out where that tax rate is—whether it’s 25%, 22%, 15%, whatever it is,” said Douglas Oberhelman, the chief executive of construction-equipment maker Caterpillar Inc. “I think all of us are on that wavelength today to begin the process.”
Yeah, NOBODY in the White House has ever proposed a rate as low as even 25%, much less the other numbers. And this obviously has nothing to do with deficit reduction.
But we have a captured government, and if we can swap reducing corporate tax rates for social insurance cuts, I’d take the trade. Unfortunately, I don’t think that IS the trade; I think the White House added the corporate tax piece into the negotiations so that they could get business groups to pressure Boehner on the other points, especially raising individual tax rates. John Engler of the Business Roundtable dutifully carried that out yesterday. So it’s probably a free throw-in.
Boehner responded with his own counter-offer, the content of which has not been revealed, though through a spokesman he described it as “not dramatically different” from previous offers. More importantly, Boehner went to the House floor and whined about the lack of specifics in spending cuts in the White House offer. This is a familiar dance. Boehner wants the President to own both sides of the negotiation, while the White House wants Boehner to be specific on what kind of cuts he wants to the safety net in particular.
The Administration also feels the economy needs stimulus, and have included it in every offer they have delivered to Republicans. Given the recent economic indicators, they’re probably right to include some near-term spending.
While I do not believe the US economy is in recession by any stretch of the imagination, I am under no illusions about the lack of underlying momentum. Slow and steady, in my opinion. But slow also means more vulnerable; there was more room to absorb an external hit in the late 1990′s than today. Which again leaves me wary about the impact of tighter fiscal policy, and I am not alone.
Sadly, stimulus seems like a blind corner for Republicans as well.
I pretty much agree with Brian Beutler on the state of the negotiations. The tax side of this probably gets done, with the House passing the Senate bill and rates going up above $250,000. But both sides at this point feel that have something to gain by going down the slope, through January 1, on the other issues. The dealmaking may not begin until then.
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In Michigan we see the dirty hands of the hedge fund managers, and other corporate and social miscreants, at work. Caterpillar, their record reeks of union busting, pension wrecking and lockouts. Which is what the future holds with the just passed right to work legislation. Obama owes these financial and corporate right wing interests in the last election a couple of things. First, total disdain and real payback for their lame duck dirty work in Michigan, the nation and also the 2010 elections. They’ve tried their best to crush him, the unions and progressives. The political cover and money given to Synder and other candidates by these a-holes of industry shouldn’t be rewarded with a seat at any table. Let them eat out of a political dumpster. Second, as much political payback to these p.o.s. as he can muster through Congress, which right now is considerable. Even Republicans voters are conceding revenue must come from these individual and corporate sources rather than the social safety net. If Obama and the Dems don’t punish their adversaries the voters will understand who the enemy is. And, ” happy days are here, again ” will be sung by Pat Boone and even worse con men.
Since we’re marinating in the stew of “tax reform,” I’d appreciate your thoughts, DDay on the following:
1) what would be the fiscal effect of changing the “carried interest” rule that hedge fund folks use to get their earnings taxed at capital gains rates [i.e., how much revenue would that produce?]; and
2) what would be the fiscal effect of imposing a “financial transactions tax,” one specifically designed to curb casino-like flash trading? [Again, revenue produced??]
Next question: are there ways of achieving these “tax changes” other than having them originate in the House, as usually required for such matters? Of course we can’t expect Obama to propose anything like this — it would piss off his buddies and reduce his money-making opportunities after he leaves office. But someone???? Somewhere????
Final question: even though the rich boys would be packing the halls of Congress to oppose such moves, I’d think framing these issues in the right way could generate support. “Kick the rich bankers/hedge fund folks’ asses” enjoys support on both sides of the political divide.
And people wonder why we call them “fat cats”.
Meanwhile this isn’t happening in a vacuum. The Banksters and Investment houses are still basically unregulated and will eventually create work arounds for every “new cost” the 1%ers have to absorb in this “grand bargain”. Nothing good for the majority of Americans can come out of a negotiation where their interests aren’t even represented.
Big businesses do not need tax cuts; they don’ pay much under the current laws and regulations. All this would mean is that they get bigger return checks or even smaller bills that they do now. They will then use that money to attack the govt, either through their friends on the repug side of the uniparty or their friends on the dim side. o is aiding and abetting as hard as he dare. Everything o does is a smokescreen to hide his real agenda of aiding the rich to gain more at the govt trough. There, I’ve had my morning rant.
How about Nike and in what looks like a coordination at the state level for an emergency leg session in Oregon for a tax break?
#NoDeal4Nike
Leaks about legs getting ready to move on similar hit ‘n run legal changes following on the heels of Michigan?
Engler, the Michigan governor who left our entire infrastructure crumbling, is one of the early ALEC people. He is a fat cat sleeze.
“WASHINGTON — President Obama will ask Congress to scrub the corporate tax code of dozens of loopholes and subsidies to reduce the top rate to 28 percent, down from 35 percent, while giving preferences to manufacturers that would set their maximum effective rate at 25 percent, a senior administration official said on Tuesday.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/22/business/economy/obama-offers-to-cut-corporate-tax-rate-to-28.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
I knew Obama was going to have to get to this, because you can’t slash corporate taxes while “cutting the deficit” unless you’re really fucking sneaky. This is so gross. Obama is going to cut estate taxes, corporate taxes, and income taxes for the rich, while raising them for everyone else, AND slashing (oh, sorry, cutting! not slashing!) my Social Security. SO GLAD THE DEMOCRAT WON YAY. I will once again point out that there is NO WAY Romney could have gotten away with this. (for example, there’s NO WAY these negotiations would be happening if Obama had lost) Sigh.
I like Robert Reich’s approach, don’t tax corporations and don’t let them contribute to campains. Corporations don’t really pay taxes anyway, they just collect them from customers and employees and pass them on to the government while taking a cut. The only true tax payer is the individual.
Oh, and give me a break, please! America has been “reforming” the tax code for 40 years. EVERY TIME the tax code is “reformed” it means “less taxes for the rich.” The claim is always made that THE LOOPHOLES ARE FINALLY CLOSED YAY! But then there are more loopholes…so we have to reform again…and lower rates again. IT NEVER WORKS. Or should I say, it works PERFECTLY for the 1%. It ALWAYS means that the rich and corporations pay less, the middle class pays more. WHY ARE WE STILL PRETENDING THIS IS REAL?
28% won’t work – I don’t think 35% works – where is that study that gave the percentage the wealthy need to be paying to help the economy and cut the deficit down?
Triple win for Bush Junior: First he gives the elites super tax cuts for ten years, then they get renewed for another year, then they get used to lower corporate taxes forever. Congratulations should go out to the uniparty club and its Dems and Republican masters. Obama did not have to go this. This is a giveaway to the elites.
Triple win for Bush Junior if Taxes are lowered.
some more whining from the King of the fat cats..not directly about taxes but still bitching And remember Obama loves him!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/12/jamie-dimon-dealbook_n_2285274.html?ref=topbar
more from fat cat land:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/12/caterpillar-fiscal-cliff-tax-breaks_n_2280130.html?utm_hp_ref=business
Simple rule: when somebody in Washington says “reform,” substitute “cuts.” Corporate tax “reform” = corporate tax cuts. “Entitlement reform” = Social Security and Medicare cuts.