Paul Krugman takes aim at something that should have been a major talking point for progressives, even if lawmakers couldn’t touch it, for the last four years. There has been a void in talking about the budget deficit in real terms, in what it’s composed of and what it really means.
First of all, to say that “we have a budget deficit” is no different than saying “we’re in the middle of a recession.” The correlation between deficits and economic growth is very tight, as you can see above. A large part of deficits are composed of reduced tax receipts from less people working, and increase in utilization of automatic stabilizers like unemployment benefits, Medicaid and food stamps, which recedes in better economic times.
Krugman puts some numbers to this:
The first thing we need to ask is what a sustainable budget would look like. The answer is that in a growing economy, budgets don’t have to be balanced to be sustainable. Federal debt was higher at the end of the Clinton years than at the beginning — that is, the deficits of the Clinton administration’s early years outweighed the surpluses at the end. Yet because gross domestic product rose over those eight years, the best measure of our debt position, the ratio of debt to G.D.P., fell dramatically, from 49 to 33 percent.
Right now, given reasonable estimates of likely future growth and inflation, we would have a stable or declining ratio of debt to G.D.P. even if we had a $400 billion deficit. You can argue that we should do better; but if the question is whether current deficits are sustainable, you should take $400 billion off the table right away.
That still leaves $600 billion or so. What’s that about? It’s the depressed economy — full stop.
As he points out, a full economic recovery would increase revenue by $450 billion and reduce spending by $150 billion. And that’s your deficit.
This should, but never does, inform budget talks. In fact, Republicans internalize this point when it suits their real desires. The whole point of “dynamic scoring” is that economic growth produces more tax receipts. Therefore, in the GOP vision, cutting taxes automatically increases economic growth, leading to that tax boost. That’s where their plan runs off the rails – there’s no actual evidence showing a uniform relationship between tax cuts and growth. But the idea of growth and recovery increasing tax revenue is self-evident – and it’s why any deficit discussion, if you want to have one, should begin and end with HOW TO INCREASE GROWTH. Of course, that only makes sense if the goal of this whole fiscal slope negotiation was to reduce the deficit, which it isn’t: it’s to intimidate people into weakening the social safety net to allow for as many tax cuts for the rich as possible.
But don’t take my word for it that a trillion dollar deficit doesn’t matter very much. Take the word of John Makin of the American Enterprise Institute. We have different perspectives, but we arrive at the same place:
The tactic of threatening to go over the fiscal cliff will fail … because deficits have been, and will continue to be for some time, eminently sustainable. The Chicken Little “sky is falling” approach to frightening Congress into significant deficit reduction has failed because the sky has not fallen. Interest rates have not soared as promised… Two percent inflation means that the real inflation-adjusted cost of deficit finance averages –1.5 percent [...]
The United States Is NOT Greece … The hyperbolic claim that the United States is becoming Greece because of the absence of dramatic progress on deficit and debt reduction is unfortunately ridiculous.
Makin takes a reality-based approach to the deficit, which probably will earn him a reprimand at best from the conservative movement. He could take the next step and say that a real -1.5% cost of deficit financing presents an excellent opportunity to borrow to fund infrastructure needs that the country will have to pay for down the road anyway.





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” … that only makes sense if the goal of this whole fiscal slope negotiation was to reduce the deficit, which it isn’t; it’s to intimidate people into weakening the social safety net to allow for as many tax cuts for the rich as possible.”
In other words; class warfare.
Thank you, DDay, for spelling it out, very clearly and most succinctly, that there may not be even the slightest of doubts as to the deliberate intent of this “negotiation” which, unfortunately, and if we are to be totally honest, both legacy political parties, Republicans AND Democrats, favor and hope to accomplish.
DW
David,
After reading your post, I took the elemental decision to do a “riff” on your sizable effort for Truth-Telling. And needless to say but I will, you’ll be missed by folks like myself and who have a sizable appreciation for this Truth-Telling.
And below is my effort, albeit NOT nicely told. –Originally posted earlier today and at the web site for the Chicano Veterans Organization. Enjoy!
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The Intentional and Under-Appreciated Deficit Con
For the insightful amongst us all “Common Sense” purveyors, we have forgotten that Dick Cheney once told us that “deficits don’t matter” and yet, he was quite insightful since this gimmick continues to inflict considerable economic pain onto all of us. Take, for example, a much larger employment regimen would increase governmental revenues by over $450 billion annually, and reduce our Safety Net spending by $150 billion when the reduction in spending for unemployment insurance, food stamps and Medicaid is factored into any stringent economic analysis.
And yet, when it comes to our public discourse, this increase in governmental revenue and the attendant spending cuts in the safety net, is not even considered by the “deficit scolds” since the ‘target’ for all this political animosity is focused on the national debt and for increasing the debt limit is scheduled for sometime next year. Moreover, government “borrowing costs” will remain at the lowered expectation of a 1.5% APR though fiscal year 2015 according to the latest pronouncement from the grizzled Chairman Bernanke at the Federal Reserve, as part an parcel to their Second-Half Charter responsibility for Full Employment. In short, this statement represents that the Fed will step up to the plate but the political leadership in Congress and at the White House have to do their part too.
And historically, context and content matters when viewed as a ‘feature’ and not as a ‘bug’ according to us, the “racial and ethnics” in our neck of the woods that is the Sonoran Desert. Consequently, we are the presumptive “experts” when it comes to the ‘white Pander’ when we consider that this Pander is an explicit character behavior of white Conservatives amongst the Democrats and the Republicans. To wit, the Conservatives “just don’t care” regarding the Middle Class and the Poor.
And now to our “demand”!
First, and foremost, the Oval Office “needs” to create a “Certificate of Ownership Obligation of Debt” in the amount of $16 trillion and send it over to the Federal Reserve and place this Certificate in a non-interesting bearing account. And shortly thereafter, the Fed creates the requisite amount of “digital dollars” and done in order to pay-off the existing debt owners of our Federal Obligation. Consequently, when these debt owners are removed from our political lexicon, Congress will allocate $500 billion annually to “pay-down” our Certificate held at the Fed. And in doing so, over the next 32 years, this debt will be wiped out, and thusly, when America’s “racial and ethnics” become the “majority,” our national debt will be either “manageable” or eliminated in its entirety. Otherwise, America’s “racial and ethnics” will be facing a minimal national debt in excess of $28 trillion, and which makes “maintaining and managing” America virtually impossible. And if so, the Mayan Prophecy missed it’s “mark” by 32 years.
Secondly, we need to “borrow” up to $1 trillion and activate the Regimen Construct for “nation building” here in the United States and where these monies are segmented into the “deficit” column. For in doing so, we can forge the Super Highway to Sizable Growth. Furthermore, if we have to borrow an additional $1 trillion and thusly encapsulated into the Deficit Column in order to craft the Pathway for “escaping poverty,” I won’t have to continue “listening” to the two Michaels. As such, my politics is personal.
To wit, Michael Gerson for suggesting that President Obama has to “pander” to the African American Male and Michael Barone’s suggesting that any disagreement with white Conservatives is equivalent to Barone’s quoting Alexis de Tocqueville, for “finally reducing each nation to be nothing more than a herd of timid and industrious animals to which government is the shepherd.” And now entering into our political picture is Doug MacEachern, a former White House speech writer, and who is adamantly opposed to bringing Native American/Chicano history into the 21st Century. And why is this important to all of us? White Conservatives refuse to recognize and acknowledge that Native American/Chicano military vets provided the “security detail” that enabled Cesar Chavez the opportunity to die of old age, despite the rigors and responsibilities that go with leadership. And when seen from the totality of the conservative mindset, our history is both invidious and insidious and must be rejected “at all costs” otherwise their “control” becomes diminished and which is inconsistent for their long term viability. Of course, this political wrangling at the margin continues to occur out of sight of the mainstream. And needless to say but I will, this behavior for denial, deflection and diversion is the main course for today’s political meal, or so, and to wit, conservatives have victimized themselves, albeit, inadvertent or unintentional.
In closing, how we, as Native American and Chicano military vets, engage ourselves into today’s political arena, our “majority” for the future that is our grandkids, is being placed in jeopardy, if we continue to “listen” to the intellectually lazy in our political arena and where the “unassailable” fact is deem irrelevant, given that “tax cuts” have no apparent linkage to “jobs.” Since our electioneering and votes were predicated on Jobs and More Jobs, we cannot lose sight of “You’re not wanted here!” instruments yesterday’s conservative Common Sense. And tomorrow’s conservative Common Sense will be instrumented with “Yes, we’re not wanted here!”
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Jaango
Beautifully said.
Here’s Krugman’s 2003 deficit spin:
FROM: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/11/opinion/11KRUG.html
“… last week I switched to a fixed-rate mortgage. It means higher monthly payments, but I’m terrified about what will happen to interest rates once financial markets wake up to the implications of skyrocketing budget deficits….
Last week the Congressional Budget Office marked down its estimates yet again. Just two years ago, you may remember, the C.B.O. was projecting a 10-year surplus of $5.6 trillion. Now it projects a 10-year deficit of $1.8 trillion.”
Got that? $1.8 trillion over 10 years, a terrifying $180 billion/year.
even though he mentions interest rates, he doesn’t mention that the only time debt is a problem is when it causes higher debt service, or a competition for borrowing monies.
right now, since debt service is zero, this is the VERY time we SHOULD be borrowing as much as possible
Looks like they are going with the Chained CPI according to the Press. Obama to offer the chained CPI as concession. Where’s Reid and his promise not to ‘cut’ Social Security?????
Not only is this unnecessary, but it hits seniors hard, Veteran’s benefits hard, and other programs which depend upon the CPI to be fair and to keep up with inflation. It is the most misrepresented cut because somehow it has been presented as if cutting 112 billion dollars from 2012 to 2021 as ‘not too bad’.
And here too:
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/obama-boehner-meet-as-talks-continue/495976/
More explanation here:
http://www.cjr.org/swing_states_project/the_media_discover_the_chained.php
And the wealthiest people keep amassing more wealth. What will they do with the extra? Do they just open their tablet and hit their GS app and look at the number? They sure as hell aren’t creating jobs or producing anything of value for them or anyone else. Look now I’m worth $86,356,778,453!
It’s sickening to picture these 2 servants of the 1%, neither of whom cares how much harm they do to how many people, sitting in a room “bargaining” with our lives.
It’s true less tax revenue will come in to the government during a recession, but we’re no longer in a recession.
So why haven’t we seen the budget come into balance? I know, I know we’re in a slow recovery, and it’s W’s fault!
Since we now know we only have a deficit due to this recession, then there’s no need to change the tax code, right?
David, there is nobody, i mean NOBODY who does graphs like you. Just one more void you will leave.
Their level of power, the length of time which they have both held public offices, the order of their rank among their peers, indicate to me that they are the one percent.
No action on creating jobs for unemployed youth. No action on paying for young people to go to college like a GI bill for the unemployed. No action on increasing access to food for low income workers and the long term unemployed. No action on guaranteeing folks have fuel for heating through the coming Winter. No action on guaranteeing income security for those have nots. Nothing says royalty more than broad swaths of indifference toward the needs of people on the edge.
I certainly hope you’re wrong on the chained CPI. That’s double speak for ” back on the table, after all. ” Despite the Dems bravado, no way! This is why we need to let this ” back and forth ” simmer over the holidays. Let everyone have time to put pen to paper, as they say. The Newtown shootings have certainly distracted people. Holiday travel will soon be here. This is not what people who’ve contributed 40-45 years into SS are expecting from this Congress. Means testing Medicare, taxes on AGIs, real cuts to Defense, ending oil subsidies… the list is long and the citizen’s are on the Progressive’s side in this dust up. And, use some of this rejiggering of priorities for stimulating the economy. Who, in their mind, thinks this economy is healthy?
We owe 16T right now. The shadow banking synidicate is 3 times this, and pulls all the strings on who gets paid. This means interest rates can’t rise anywhere in the world or no one will be able to pay back the banks. The lesser than wealthy people are having hard times that are not being mitigated by printing money that makes every week’s paycheck buy less and less. CPI is eating up any possible cost of living increase which are more and more rare. In Greece, the people don’t get any of the benefit of the Euro printing, only the banks do. How is it different here except by degree? The government is now the buying the bonds printed by the government. Every government is doing so. That means prosperity and growth?
We are begging for a Weimar style collapse for the people of the world. We are begging for charismatic truthies to rescue us. If the theory can’t be sustained by mathematics and the testing of the hypothesis, it is a failed theory. It has never worked before in the history of monetary systems on our planet, but it will now? This has all the identifying factors of quicksand.
We, the people, are being deleveraged, devalued, depressed, demoted to part time, decommissioned, and decomposing like the infrastructure that can’t be repaired. The home next to mine is sinking in………
The chained CPI is not even logically related to the purpose of the negotiations of the fiscal cliff! It is doesn’t affect the federal deficit, which is not even a problem according to this post, above.Social Security is unrelated to the federal deficit.
It actually is similar to the fiscal cliff because a chained CPI makes cuts and raises taxes (slowly) which is supposedly the cliff which they are claiming to avoid. So it is total hypocrisy. “I won’t raise taxes on the middle class! Except through the chained CPI.
The chained CPI affects mostly low and middle income folks, the vast majority of Social Security and social programs’ recipients.
But they are going ahead no matter what we think.
They are going ahead no matter what we think, as per Ezra.
People who get freaked out over the debt – and this includes both economists and politicians – tend to look ONLY at the debt and ignore GDP. The fact that the debt is only one part of the debt ratio, which is the real factor in judging the country’s economic health, is what everyone should be watching.
For the last three years, the deficit has been falling and we have had positive GDP growth. Our GDP would have grown faster if not for the Japanese tsunami, the European debt crisis and the spikes in the cost of oil. And also if we hadn’t had to deal with the Republicans’ refusal to pass any sort of jobs bill whatsoever at all. We wouldn’t have been able to do anything about the tsunami, the European economy or the cost of oil. But it’s infuriating that the Republicans have prolonged the recovery to the extent they have.
I’m in total agreement it’s the debt ratio. I work with people trying to finance big ticket items almost every day. Good credit, bad credit we see it all. A and B credit scores are doing great unless they’re income is below $2200/mo (gross) All other things being equal. They’re getting 120%-130% of retail financed (negative equity, anyone?) sometimes. The C and Ds are always iffy and debt ratio is the deal breaker, most times. I think I’d put our fiscal house in the B- range simply because our income is shackled by a lack of economic growth. The Big Banks/CreditUnions sure due like their acquisition fees and high interest rates, though, but at least they’re lending. The 1%ers and their bosses,and yes they have them, love austerity because they’re buying good stuff on the cheap right now. Our gov’t should be doing the same (stimulus). Rotten economists but great crooks, methinks.
Hey, we don’t need any tax hikes, because we can be Republicans and just borrow and spend!
And the beauty of borrow and spend, especially tax cut, borrow and spend is no one ever complains that the free lunch tastes like crap!
Tax cuts to create jobs don’t need to actually create jobs. After all, a job shortage simply justifies more tax cuts. And when tax cuts to create jobs repeatedly fail to create the promised jobs, you prove that government never works, so you cut taxes to create jobs based on the tax cuts making government smaller which will create jobs. But when making government smaller doesn’t create jobs, you blame Obama for trying to hike taxes and push for more tax cuts and cuts to government to create jobs. But then you scream that cutting government spending will kill jobs so we need cuts in spending and more tax cuts but absolutely massively more spending on war to create jobs.
Let’s look at the terrible effects of tax hikes. In 1983 the economy was in near depression, but the evil Democrats tricked Reagan into doubling the gas tax when gas prices were astronomical and unemployment was 10.8%
But with taxes higher on gas, the one thing voters demanded is the roads get fixed. Back in 1990 and 93 the gas tax was again doubled, and drivers expected the roads to be fixed.
Since 2001, we have had decaying transportation infrastructure, no gas tax hikes, and transportation moved to borrow and spend to fund pork barrel earmarks which were free and unaccountable because there was no tax hike to make drivers demand their tax money be spent wisely. When the bridge in Minneapolis fell and Pelosi ushered a pork earmark through Congress to bailout Gov Pawlenty and everyone in the nation was watching how the money was spent looking for political arrows to wound whoever, the money was spent very well without any criticism of the new bridge I can see.
But otherwise, the borrow and spend on infrastructure has been attacked as so much wasted spending that proves Washington doesn’t work. Meanwhile construction companies are desperate for work and bidding very low for extremely high quality work.
But without tax hikes on gasoline, no one is demanding instant spending like was done in December 2007 to deal with the crisis of traffic in Minneapolis just before the Republican National Convention.
Hoover signed a huge tax hike in 1932 as did FDR in 1934 which certainly meant people were paying for results and FDR and the Democrats needed to deliver.
this about sums it up for me
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/12/your-humble-blogger-discusses-the-fiscal-cliff-with-bill-moyers-and-bruce-bartlett.html